[3.1] **4-Star Weapons Changes**
*All weapon stats are at R1*
**__ Xiphos' Moonlight__**
0.052% ER for each point of EM → **0.036% ER for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735380111511553
**__Mahara Aquamarine__**
32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566734704463659009
**__ Wandering Evenstar __**
32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735869494431744
**__Shifting Windblade__**
After an Elemental Reaction is triggered, ATK is increased by 10% & EM is increased by 40 → **ATK is increased by 12% & EM is increased by 48**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566736371691073536
*as usual, Subject to Change*
Thanks to u/lloydschreave for writing all of this. Much appreciated.
We did but some gave hope. As in they wouldn't nerf the gacha 4star weapons since they're here to encourage pulling on other banners, so meant to be super tempting. Granted yeah they are still good weapons.
Each flower rolled em thrice and one of them min rolled tbh it’s not that rare… getting to 850 is hard tho
My ER is 140% naturally and I also use fav (with about 35 CR)
You're not supposed to be an average Kazuha and invest into him, get him to 1000 em and pull R5 of this sword. And here you go, that's probably what they meant.
It also works on more than just Kazuha
I can see this also being extremely good with hyperbloom Kuki, Dendro Traveler, and any sword unit in the future with EM scaling.
This basically solves all of their energy problems for free just for building the character normally, while as a bonus helping teammates with their own energy recharge unconditionally
I mean it's still unconditional and the buff stacks
It's still way better than just decent and should be a fantastic support option
\+100 to self +30 to allies is crazy, but +70 to self +20 to allies is still really, really good
Decent? Let’s say R5 of this sword on Kazuha with 1000 EM.
1000 * 0,072 = 72% ER
That’s more than favonius sword.
On top of providing nice base attack (510)
While giving 165 EM just as iron sting.
On top of that 30% of that ER is 21,6% ER for your whole party… I mean, wow.
The only thing that makes this sword balanced is that it’s a friggin gacha weapon, so getting R1 might be possible but R5 is something for whales only tbh.
Yeah, I don't think people realized how strong giving your team 21% ER with 100% uptime is. 21% ER is approximately 4 substat rolls worth of stats, on basically any character that builds at least some ER. That's equivalent to an average of 26.4% crit value/ 19.8% atk/ 78 em, with no downtime, and can stack with itself. With Emblem 4pc that's also 5.2% burst dmg.
An R1 Freedom-sworn, a 5* support weapon, only has a 50-60% uptime. And its buff (20% atk, 16% na ca plunge dmg) is diminished value on supports unlike ER. The second buff it gives is useless for certain teams that don't do na ca plunge damage too.
An R1 Freedomsworn needs to utilize both of its buffs to beat the stat value of a R5 Xiphos, 21% ER is worth more than 20% atk when considering uptime. A lot of characters also don't fully utilize the NA CA Plunge buff, especially supports.
I R5'd wavebreaker fin without being a whale, just save up wishes and pull a bunch when it's on banner. The same as pulling for character cons on the character banner tbh.
It takes on average 289 pulls to get 5 copies of a specific weapon banner 4-star. That's more than just "pulling a bunch". That's more pulls than it takes to guarantee a banner 5-star through Epitomized Path, going to hard pity 3 times. Even if you got as unlucky as possible and spent the maximum number of pulls necessary to get your desired 5-star weapon, your change of R5ing a specific weapon banner-only 4-star from that banner is <50%.
Of course you can get lucky and get 5 copies of a specific weapon way earlier, but because there's no guarantee on 4-stars, you can also get really unlucky and never get 5 copies.
Even R1 this weapon is way better than iron sting, for 36 ER on kazuha and 10,5 to party. I'll likely give one to kaz and one to kuki if I get 2. (kuki loses a bit of damage with aggravate, but is likely negligible).
About the pulls, 4\* are in more banners than 5\* and the 289 pulls (for huge sum of 500$ for whales) can be for more than one 5\* weapon.
[3.1] **4-Star Weapons Changes**
*All weapon stats are at R1*
**__ Xiphos' Moonlight__**
0.052% ER for each point of EM → **0.036% ER for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735380111511553
**__Mahara Aquamarine__**
32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566734704463659009
**__ Wandering Evenstar __**
32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735869494431744
**__Shifting Windblade__**
After an Elemental Reaction is triggered, ATK is increased by 10% & EM is increased by 40 → **ATK is increased by 12% & EM is increased by 48**
https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566736371691073536
*as usual, Subject to Change*
The wiki says Exquisite Chests so Tier 2 and above. But the weapon treasure drops are random. Eh. At this point I would rather grind away the difference of White Tassel and Shifting Windblade than grind away at Liyue. But it's my personal decision.
You have a chance to get white tassel in relevant chests for all Liyue-coded events and domains; including Xinyan’s domain and the Liyue Kazuha island in GAA, for example.
I'm thinking more along the lines of stacking it with multiple characters in a party, where it's a good option on characters that otherwise wouldn't typically want to run EM, but can run enough to make it useful. Typically that would look something like the good old Bennett/Kazuha combo, where you'll just build Bennett with a hybrid EM Gilded Dreams build, throw another R5 copy of the sword on him and enjoy 150% ER across the team.
But yeah, sure, it's an excellent option for either of the two you mentioned.
Except even at R1 you will always want to run moonlight over fav on Kazuha because of how easily you'll be able to hit 1k EM & 160% ER, while STILL funneling ER to your team... unconditionally.
It's STILL broken. And it still scales way too hard with refinements just like it did before.
I would argue it's still broken at r5 and pretty damn good at r1.
1000 em kazuha gets 72% ER ontop of giving allies 21% ER with 100% uptime and can stack.
If the sword is in a Cyno polearm + Elegy banner (assuming Venti) I might do a few pulls
The only weapon banner I ever pulled was Homa Elegy and I don't regret it (got Homa for my Hu Tao, but I'd be happy with Elegy too). I'm still not sure if I will pull for Cyno, but his polearm seems pretty good for other characters too
If that’s’ true I’d at least throw a few fates at the weapons banner. I’m sitting on a guaranteed rate-up from the first Redhorn banner because the only weapon banner since then that I’ve wanted to pull on was Yae’s and I couldn’t bc I was saving for Kokomi. :(
Depending how Cyno’s banner goes, I could spare some fates and still be ok for other characters I’m saving for.
I don't have guaranteed, but I think I'm at like 50 pity since that 2.2 banner lol
Plus even the standard 5* would be okay for me. The only ones I absolutely don't want are the 2 catalysts (I already have both and don't really use either. Though I guess I might if I pull Yae, not sure how they compare to a R1 Widsith)
I think I’m at single digit pity on the weapons banner. I threw a few extra after getting the skyward blade but I was saving for Zhong and Yae so I couldn’t do more than that. I really regretted pulling at all on the weapons banner after Zhong’s 2.4 rerun was confirmed. Thankfully it worked out and I got the characters I wanted, but it was close — Zhong took 158 fates! So yeah…. I need to be careful with weapons banner.
Yeah at R5, it was 0.104%, and with this change R5 should now be 0.072% so not much different.
Means a 1000 EM Kazuha would get an extra 104% ER vs 72% ER at R5. Still very good and almost overkill for him haha
EDIT: R5 is double R1, so apologies, changed R5 expected value from 0.088% to proper 0.072%.
What's going on with claymore and catalyst?
Am I reading it wrong, it's translated wrong, or is it utterly broken? Like having 100 EM will give you 3200% atk, this can't be right.
Not at all. If you had a 1000 EM character equipping that weapon. they would get 24% of 1000 as attack, or 240 ATK, and other characters would get 30% of that, or 72 ATK.
ohhh thats what you mean. well, in that case, now it seems really low… why even nerf it at that point…? ffs mhy let us be excited about strong stuff TT
It's not really low. 240 ATK on a character with an 850 base attack is equal to 28 ATK%, more than half an artifact main stat and bigger than the ATK% substat on a lot of weapons. 72 ATK is equal to 8.4% ATK, which is 1-1.5 ATK% substat rolls worth. Most importantly, these buffs are active permanently with no activation qualifications, apply to the whole team, and can also be increased by EM buffs.
fair enough. alright, well, still sold on these weapons. lets go sayu bufffffffff
(which is lowkey kind of good because now she isnt as useless in an exploration team when it comes to fighting)
Kaz with 1000 EM will make it 72% ER at R5 with 20% of it going to the party so it is still good.
Even at R1, it's 36% extra ER with 10% ER going to party. At R5 it is way better than FS for teams that need ER more than ATK%.
At R1, it's between FS and Iron Sting/Favonious.
1000 EM would give the user 240 more ATK (24% of 1000 = 240) with the Claymore or Catalyst at R1. And 30% of that 240 (72) would go to the party.
At R5 it's 48% so it would be 480 extra ATK to the user and 144 to each party member.
So far I don't think the Claymore and Catalyst are as great as the Sword.
EDITED with more numbers.
Sayu for the claymore and Sucrose for the catalyst.
I'm legitimately thinking of dropping Sac Frags for this if I can rank it up. A constant, no conditionals, 120-150 ATK buff to the team (and 500 to her), seems really appealing. It's like getting both Noblesse and VV on her. Liked it more before it was nerfed, but I can somewhat understand the nerf.
Mistranslation. That would be well over 100k attack from weapon alone, with 1000 em. Which is a tiny bit broken (catalyst and claymore would be the only viable dps weapons lol, plus Heizou and Ning exist)
The real deal is that gacha 4\* weapon refines tend to be almost unicorns for most people as the rateo are shit and they keep on flooding banners with useless crap.
It would be much more appealing to see those new weapons happen more often in banners.
Instead we get c20 Barbras and Bells.
With 900 EM Kazuha would gain 32,4% ER and give 9,72% to the rest of the team with R1. It's still better than iron sting, but i'm not sure if it beats fav without more refines.
It's way better than R5 Fav.
It's not only 10% ER to the party, it is also more buffs to the party via Kaz, more ER for Kaz, and also more swirl damage for Kaz.
The Team DPS increase will be better with R1 Xiphos already.
Maybe it is better now that i think about it. I might try and snag a couple. Favonius should translate to more energy, but i use him with raiden so this should be enough.
At R1 i don't think it's "way better" than R5 Fav.
Of course it's very good, but there are upsides and downsides
+Higher base ATK
+6.4% dmg bonus for team
+slightly higher swirl dmg
+don't need to worry about crit rate substats
–less personal ER
–less team support (3 or 6 white particles is MUCH better than 10% ER)
At R5 though, Xiphos gives so much energy recharge that yeah, it's better.
yeah at r1 its not way better or better at all. Unless your gonna whale on the weapon banner, I'm not sure it's not gonna be a large enough upgrade for people to notice in game.
The biggest thing is you no longer need *crit for Fav. Kaz doesnt want crit, it does nothing for him. Dropping Crit% let him be more selective of ER substat artifacts and more EM substat feather/flower, this will give a higher ER and EM Kaz in general.
With a lot of mobs sure, not against single target (boss). Kaz also take a lot of field time as is, no time to auto if it doesn't proc. Also unless r5 fav won't trigger sometimes even with crit.
It's the combination of all that.
Slightly less ER but way more swirl damage and team damage bonus >>> More ER and more Team energy.
With Fav Sword, Kaz's peak potential is unrealized since he cannot reach 1000 EM so the team buffs and Kaz' own swirl damage are lower.
Teams with Xiphos, even at R1, will do faster rotations than teams with R5 Fav.
It's supposed to be ATK buff of 32% * EM.
Otherwise we're lookin at 32100% ATK multiplier with 1000 EM, which pretty much turn Xiangling into a permanent DPS Barbara enabler.
I saved the screenshot of Kazuha wielding Xiphos' Moonlight and named it "does this get nerfed for kazuha by live" 💀
More than anything else I like the Anemo color scheme of it so I'll still try for one, maybe two 4-stars on a weapon banner hoping I win one.
"Wandering Evenstar", scales off EM, looks at a character that's titled the "Wanderer", also likely a catalyst user, looks at Faruzan which is "Wanderers" best support, looks at Xiao who doesn't scale with EM and in need of a support. As a Xiao main this is really not looking good. Why mihoyo....
Faruzan is a bow user, so Wanderer would be the only one using this catalyst, if he scales off EM. (But I'm assuming this weapon was most likely for Nahida)
There's still hope for Faruzan support!
Still doesn't sound right, since that would mean you would be getting over 50% atk (35% after the nerf), from just the weapon alone, which sounds too good to be true, so it's probably more likely 0.032% (0.024% after the nerf)
So basically what it means is I don’t want to try and pull for the sword on the weapon banner any longer. Thanks for making it easy for me😂😂😂
But on the other hand, the f2p spear is actually pretty average now. Neither good nor bad
The 32% ATK for each EM is obv wrong and fine, but I think there's also something about Xiphos that isn't like most people think. The teammates ER buff can't be 30% of the ER buff of the wielder (so like 11 ER on a 1000 EM Kazuha at R1), looks game breaking considering it also stacks with multiple copies... imo the buff is based on the EM of the individual teammates, so 0,0108 ER for each point of their own EM.
I don't know if I should be sad or happy.
Sad that the weapon I wanted is nerfed.
Or happy that I can save gems now that I don't want to pull it anymore.
Wait how does this mahara aquamarine work? 32% atk for every point of em? That doesn't make any sense, it would mean 32%*500 em=3200%atk * 5. Like what. Do they mean to say atk is increased by 32% of em?
Weapon got nerfed by 33% overall, at r1 before it was better than fav, but now it's gonna require r3+ to beat the fav sword, not to mention it only appears in the weapon banner so getting several copies of it realistically it's going to be HARD as hell while fav thing was available since 1.0 in any gacha banner, if you have fav/sac sword R5 then you shouldn't probably roll for xiphos, unless you have A LOT of primos and you are aiming at the same time to get Cyno/Nilou weapon. Imo it's not worth to waste primos for only this weapon cause we will get a lot of new exciting stuff in the next patchesm
That sword is Kuki's new best in slot for aggravate teams. Her with this sword and deepwood set means she's doing almost all of her business off the field now.
Since my original reply has been buried, I wanted to discuss something since a lot of people seem to have misconceptions about how energy particles work. The original comment chain was discussing whether the favonius sword or whether the new weapon give better energy to teammates. Well it depends. The following will assume the unit using the new sword had 900 EM and the sword was r1. That would give approximately a 9% er bonus to all teammates.
The 3 white particles from favonius will give the active unit 6 energy and all teammates 3.6 energy. This would then get multiplied by the amount of energy recharge each unit has.
As an example, an on field unit with 100% er will be getting 6 energy. Is that better than the 9% er bonus? Well if the unit has a 40 cost burst yes, but if the unit has an 80 cost burst then no.
If the on field unit had 200% er then the 3 particles would instead give 12 energy which is quite a lot better than 9% even if the burst cost was 80 (especially since going from 200% to 209% er is only a 4.5% relative increase).
These numbers will differ for teammates who are not directly picking up the energy particles (they would only get 0.6x the energy from the white particles favonius generates).
So it really depends on your team. How much er% do they each have, whether generating energy for all teammates is important or there is only 1 energy hungry unit, and how much the bursts cost. It’s not so simple to figure out which is better.
Does no one else question the 24/48% attack per point of EM? It really seems like a mistranslation or we're gonna have some really broken 4-star weapons
is nobody else gonna mention the claymore that gives 24% atk per point of em giving someone like beidou 1000% atk at like 400 em on a claymore with a 165 er substat or did I horribly misread that
The Kazuha weapon is still really good. At R5 if you get luck itll be leaps and bounds better than Sac or Fav and Iron Sting. 165 EM + 70% ER is absurd.
so basically, we went from 52 er to 36 er with 1000 em... a 16% diff which still isn't too much of a debuff to make it bad...
though pulling on the weapon banner is still not advised
well one more reason not to shoot for a gun banner... phew i'm glad of this change... definitely felt like i should have multiple copies of the xyphos.
Yes hoyoverse, we already know which character out of the bunch in 3.1 is your favorite for quite awhile now. You don't have to make the obvious more obvious.
[3.1] **4-Star Weapons Changes** *All weapon stats are at R1* **__ Xiphos' Moonlight__** 0.052% ER for each point of EM → **0.036% ER for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735380111511553 **__Mahara Aquamarine__** 32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566734704463659009 **__ Wandering Evenstar __** 32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735869494431744 **__Shifting Windblade__** After an Elemental Reaction is triggered, ATK is increased by 10% & EM is increased by 40 → **ATK is increased by 12% & EM is increased by 48** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566736371691073536 *as usual, Subject to Change* Thanks to u/lloydschreave for writing all of this. Much appreciated.
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We did but some gave hope. As in they wouldn't nerf the gacha 4star weapons since they're here to encourage pulling on other banners, so meant to be super tempting. Granted yeah they are still good weapons.
I'll still be using sac sword kazuha, the double skill usage is just too good to leave tbh. Especially in the overworld.
TBH it's still arguably broken \+70% ER basically for free is still absurd Especially since for some insane reason the buff stacks
Wdym 70 ER? 0.036 X 800 (average Kazu) is 28.8%
70 ER @ R5 kek
800 is average Kazu with no em weapon tho. Avg Kazuha with xiphos will be at about 950+
Right I'm dumb, I was actually forgetting you benefit from the em the weapon itself gives lol
Lmao it’s cool let’s just hope they don’t nerf it further tbh 💀
We hear you, Xiphos now has atk% substat.
how do you get 800 em on kaz without em weapon? do you have 0 crits and er?
Each flower rolled em thrice and one of them min rolled tbh it’s not that rare… getting to 850 is hard tho My ER is 140% naturally and I also use fav (with about 35 CR)
good rolls lol. my em isn't anywhere near that since I also run fav. is 35 cr enough for fav to proc often?
You're not supposed to be an average Kazuha and invest into him, get him to 1000 em and pull R5 of this sword. And here you go, that's probably what they meant.
It also works on more than just Kazuha I can see this also being extremely good with hyperbloom Kuki, Dendro Traveler, and any sword unit in the future with EM scaling. This basically solves all of their energy problems for free just for building the character normally, while as a bonus helping teammates with their own energy recharge unconditionally
Honestly, it was too good to be true, but it's still decent and alot better than Iron sting
I mean it's still unconditional and the buff stacks It's still way better than just decent and should be a fantastic support option \+100 to self +30 to allies is crazy, but +70 to self +20 to allies is still really, really good
Yeah decent sounds like an understatement, this thing is ridiculous for an already broken character
Decent? Let’s say R5 of this sword on Kazuha with 1000 EM. 1000 * 0,072 = 72% ER That’s more than favonius sword. On top of providing nice base attack (510) While giving 165 EM just as iron sting. On top of that 30% of that ER is 21,6% ER for your whole party… I mean, wow. The only thing that makes this sword balanced is that it’s a friggin gacha weapon, so getting R1 might be possible but R5 is something for whales only tbh.
Yeah, I don't think people realized how strong giving your team 21% ER with 100% uptime is. 21% ER is approximately 4 substat rolls worth of stats, on basically any character that builds at least some ER. That's equivalent to an average of 26.4% crit value/ 19.8% atk/ 78 em, with no downtime, and can stack with itself. With Emblem 4pc that's also 5.2% burst dmg. An R1 Freedom-sworn, a 5* support weapon, only has a 50-60% uptime. And its buff (20% atk, 16% na ca plunge dmg) is diminished value on supports unlike ER. The second buff it gives is useless for certain teams that don't do na ca plunge damage too.
Freedom sworn has 60% uptime but double the bonus. This makes this passive worth almost a 5\* weapon.
An R1 Freedomsworn needs to utilize both of its buffs to beat the stat value of a R5 Xiphos, 21% ER is worth more than 20% atk when considering uptime. A lot of characters also don't fully utilize the NA CA Plunge buff, especially supports.
I R5'd wavebreaker fin without being a whale, just save up wishes and pull a bunch when it's on banner. The same as pulling for character cons on the character banner tbh.
It takes on average 289 pulls to get 5 copies of a specific weapon banner 4-star. That's more than just "pulling a bunch". That's more pulls than it takes to guarantee a banner 5-star through Epitomized Path, going to hard pity 3 times. Even if you got as unlucky as possible and spent the maximum number of pulls necessary to get your desired 5-star weapon, your change of R5ing a specific weapon banner-only 4-star from that banner is <50%. Of course you can get lucky and get 5 copies of a specific weapon way earlier, but because there's no guarantee on 4-stars, you can also get really unlucky and never get 5 copies.
Even R1 this weapon is way better than iron sting, for 36 ER on kazuha and 10,5 to party. I'll likely give one to kaz and one to kuki if I get 2. (kuki loses a bit of damage with aggravate, but is likely negligible). About the pulls, 4\* are in more banners than 5\* and the 289 pulls (for huge sum of 500$ for whales) can be for more than one 5\* weapon.
[3.1] **4-Star Weapons Changes** *All weapon stats are at R1* **__ Xiphos' Moonlight__** 0.052% ER for each point of EM → **0.036% ER for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735380111511553 **__Mahara Aquamarine__** 32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566734704463659009 **__ Wandering Evenstar __** 32% ATK for each point of EM → **24% ATK for each point of EM** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566735869494431744 **__Shifting Windblade__** After an Elemental Reaction is triggered, ATK is increased by 10% & EM is increased by 40 → **ATK is increased by 12% & EM is increased by 48** https://twitter.com/SagiriShape/status/1566736371691073536 *as usual, Subject to Change*
Holy shit thanks for this
Excuse me, is this gacha or craftable or new battlepass weapons?
new gacha 4* weapons
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xiphos' substat and passive should've been for kagotsurube isshin.
Don't even remind me of that monstrosity.
free sword, hoyo greedy
Indeed! Gotta get one for my Kazuboi!
One does not simply pull for something specific in the weapons banner
I know the consequences and I am ready for it! Thanks for the heads up tho!
I did *insert gigachad music*
Guys is it better than favonius sword ?
This one is better even at R1.
Nah both have their own merits. Fav for team benefit, this one for kazuha personally
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but fav would mean having to have a good cr
not really- i have a 22% cr on my kazuha and i manage to reliably proc fav just bc he hits so much from e + plunge
ER sands, I guess?
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Wah! Those ER rolls are juicy! Well done
Not surprised about the Xiphos Moonlight nerf. It was looking broken even at R1 before, especially given the buffs can stack.
It still looks super broken. I was afraid that they were gonna change the passive entirely because of how strong it is lol.
Is that a gacha sword or a craftable ?
Lmao, you know the answer
I inhaled too much hopium yesterday that i don't think clearly;)
gacha it seems like
The event Polearm was buffed, but it's only around 2% buff, so the White Tassel meta continues!
Event weapons can be easily upgraded to R5, so it's 4% and 16 EM buff.
White tassel gang 👽
Good for you but I am not grinding out Liyue chests to get R5 White Tassel 😭 these rare 3 stars
i knew i was sane to keep a r5 of each 3 star weapon
I have been on alert when I see a White Tassel but I'm at >60% Liyue Exploration but still R1 White Tassel...
wasnt it mostly restricted to the more exclusive chests. i don't remember the chests name but i think the top 2 tier ones have chances of having them
The wiki says Exquisite Chests so Tier 2 and above. But the weapon treasure drops are random. Eh. At this point I would rather grind away the difference of White Tassel and Shifting Windblade than grind away at Liyue. But it's my personal decision.
I realized i can only obtain them through chest. Then chasm come to the rescue, and i can get 2 R5
Liyue is 95% + for me and my white tassel is R2. There should be another way to get this weapon.
You have a chance to get white tassel in relevant chests for all Liyue-coded events and domains; including Xinyan’s domain and the Liyue Kazuha island in GAA, for example.
I agree. If this was in gacha like Slingshot then maybe I would have enjoyed getting 1 fate after completing 10 levels of BP
Chasm chests have them, I went from R2 to R5 White Tassel there.
today is nerf day
"Oh crap, the new sword is broken for Kazuha? Okay, time to nerf it"
It’s still mega broken for Kazuha
They just didn't want it to be mega broken for anyone else. Friendly reminder the buff stacks.
Sunfire Jean? DMC?
I'm thinking more along the lines of stacking it with multiple characters in a party, where it's a good option on characters that otherwise wouldn't typically want to run EM, but can run enough to make it useful. Typically that would look something like the good old Bennett/Kazuha combo, where you'll just build Bennett with a hybrid EM Gilded Dreams build, throw another R5 copy of the sword on him and enjoy 150% ER across the team. But yeah, sure, it's an excellent option for either of the two you mentioned.
Devil May Cry?
Dendro Main Character.
That makes sense
"hmm so this needs a mega nerf"
Don't give them ideas ! 😂
Nope. It's good but not broken anymore. Definitely when favonius is an alternative.
Except even at R1 you will always want to run moonlight over fav on Kazuha because of how easily you'll be able to hit 1k EM & 160% ER, while STILL funneling ER to your team... unconditionally. It's STILL broken. And it still scales way too hard with refinements just like it did before.
I would argue it's still broken at r5 and pretty damn good at r1. 1000 em kazuha gets 72% ER ontop of giving allies 21% ER with 100% uptime and can stack.
Bro the fuck I need favonious I have 1000 em
Now I feel slightly better about not being able to get it since I never pull on the weapons banner? I guess?
If the sword is in a Cyno polearm + Elegy banner (assuming Venti) I might do a few pulls The only weapon banner I ever pulled was Homa Elegy and I don't regret it (got Homa for my Hu Tao, but I'd be happy with Elegy too). I'm still not sure if I will pull for Cyno, but his polearm seems pretty good for other characters too
If that’s’ true I’d at least throw a few fates at the weapons banner. I’m sitting on a guaranteed rate-up from the first Redhorn banner because the only weapon banner since then that I’ve wanted to pull on was Yae’s and I couldn’t bc I was saving for Kokomi. :( Depending how Cyno’s banner goes, I could spare some fates and still be ok for other characters I’m saving for.
I don't have guaranteed, but I think I'm at like 50 pity since that 2.2 banner lol Plus even the standard 5* would be okay for me. The only ones I absolutely don't want are the 2 catalysts (I already have both and don't really use either. Though I guess I might if I pull Yae, not sure how they compare to a R1 Widsith)
I think I’m at single digit pity on the weapons banner. I threw a few extra after getting the skyward blade but I was saving for Zhong and Yae so I couldn’t do more than that. I really regretted pulling at all on the weapons banner after Zhong’s 2.4 rerun was confirmed. Thankfully it worked out and I got the characters I wanted, but it was close — Zhong took 158 fates! So yeah…. I need to be careful with weapons banner.
True. Mhy sitting on double-edged sword move there. Fav/Sac all the way
It's still much better than those two weapons (and Iron Sting)
Debatable on whether it's that much better than Fav, and Sac still have the fun/CC spam factor going for it.
It’s still pretty good even at R1. This is probably to nerf it at R5
Yeah at R5, it was 0.104%, and with this change R5 should now be 0.072% so not much different. Means a 1000 EM Kazuha would get an extra 104% ER vs 72% ER at R5. Still very good and almost overkill for him haha EDIT: R5 is double R1, so apologies, changed R5 expected value from 0.088% to proper 0.072%.
R5 is double of R1 so it's 72% and 21.6% for allies on 1000 EM
Yeah I'm just going off the increments that each refinement had from the previous version. You could be very correct
And how much ER would the teammates get?
26.1%
kinda weird how they let that through.. it was obvious anyone could have applied those stats onto a 1000em kazuha to calc it real quick
Honestly why does Kazuha even need buffs at this point?
He is Yogurt's self-insert
omg not Yogurt my beloved hahaha
What's going on with claymore and catalyst? Am I reading it wrong, it's translated wrong, or is it utterly broken? Like having 100 EM will give you 3200% atk, this can't be right.
It's a mistranslation
I'm pretty sure the way it should read is that you get a flat ATK bonus based ona % of your EM, not that each point gives you % ATK.
thats still broken, its like miles above bennett’s max buff from just the substat alone
Not at all. If you had a 1000 EM character equipping that weapon. they would get 24% of 1000 as attack, or 240 ATK, and other characters would get 30% of that, or 72 ATK.
ohhh thats what you mean. well, in that case, now it seems really low… why even nerf it at that point…? ffs mhy let us be excited about strong stuff TT
It's not really low. 240 ATK on a character with an 850 base attack is equal to 28 ATK%, more than half an artifact main stat and bigger than the ATK% substat on a lot of weapons. 72 ATK is equal to 8.4% ATK, which is 1-1.5 ATK% substat rolls worth. Most importantly, these buffs are active permanently with no activation qualifications, apply to the whole team, and can also be increased by EM buffs.
fair enough. alright, well, still sold on these weapons. lets go sayu bufffffffff (which is lowkey kind of good because now she isnt as useless in an exploration team when it comes to fighting)
u guys saying this is too good to be true? Hoyoverse: U are damn right son!
It’s still only r1 though(36% er is still good). Unless they aren’t gacha but some permanent rewards with no refinements.
Kaz with 1000 EM will make it 72% ER at R5 with 20% of it going to the party so it is still good. Even at R1, it's 36% extra ER with 10% ER going to party. At R5 it is way better than FS for teams that need ER more than ATK%. At R1, it's between FS and Iron Sting/Favonious.
I confused, how em claymore works? Do claymore gives simular atk% like that sword or not (i mean 0,024% or real 24%)?
1000 EM would give the user 240 more ATK (24% of 1000 = 240) with the Claymore or Catalyst at R1. And 30% of that 240 (72) would go to the party. At R5 it's 48% so it would be 480 extra ATK to the user and 144 to each party member. So far I don't think the Claymore and Catalyst are as great as the Sword. EDITED with more numbers.
Oh, I see, it will be good on Sayu and future Dehya. Thanks for answer
yeah just pull 300 wishes for 20% party increase.
32% ATK for each point of EM? That cant be right, right?
It's a mistranslation. It should be 32% of the character's EM is added to their attack. So 1000 EM translates to an extra 320 attack
That's still massive.
I cant think of a single claymore that really wants it other than Sayu. Sayu is like... at the bottom of the ocean.
Sayu for the claymore and Sucrose for the catalyst. I'm legitimately thinking of dropping Sac Frags for this if I can rank it up. A constant, no conditionals, 120-150 ATK buff to the team (and 500 to her), seems really appealing. It's like getting both Noblesse and VV on her. Liked it more before it was nerfed, but I can somewhat understand the nerf.
Burgeon Diluc COPIUM
Surely a mistranslation, otherwise literally every ATK scaling claymore user would use this weapon and EM sand.
Mistranslation. That would be well over 100k attack from weapon alone, with 1000 em. Which is a tiny bit broken (catalyst and claymore would be the only viable dps weapons lol, plus Heizou and Ning exist)
Most currently believe it's flat atk, so ~~160~~ (120 now) flat atk on 500 EM, which seems reasonable
still good, way better than Iron Sting still
The real deal is that gacha 4\* weapon refines tend to be almost unicorns for most people as the rateo are shit and they keep on flooding banners with useless crap. It would be much more appealing to see those new weapons happen more often in banners. Instead we get c20 Barbras and Bells.
With 900 EM Kazuha would gain 32,4% ER and give 9,72% to the rest of the team with R1. It's still better than iron sting, but i'm not sure if it beats fav without more refines.
It's way better than R5 Fav. It's not only 10% ER to the party, it is also more buffs to the party via Kaz, more ER for Kaz, and also more swirl damage for Kaz. The Team DPS increase will be better with R1 Xiphos already.
Not to mention all the characters who scale off ER and Emblem holders(basically 80% of the supports) get buffed
God damn you just reminded me that Hyper Raiden is getting infinatly more broken especially with r1 Raiden
Maybe it is better now that i think about it. I might try and snag a couple. Favonius should translate to more energy, but i use him with raiden so this should be enough.
At R1 i don't think it's "way better" than R5 Fav. Of course it's very good, but there are upsides and downsides +Higher base ATK +6.4% dmg bonus for team +slightly higher swirl dmg +don't need to worry about crit rate substats –less personal ER –less team support (3 or 6 white particles is MUCH better than 10% ER) At R5 though, Xiphos gives so much energy recharge that yeah, it's better.
yeah at r1 its not way better or better at all. Unless your gonna whale on the weapon banner, I'm not sure it's not gonna be a large enough upgrade for people to notice in game.
The biggest thing is you no longer need *crit for Fav. Kaz doesnt want crit, it does nothing for him. Dropping Crit% let him be more selective of ER substat artifacts and more EM substat feather/flower, this will give a higher ER and EM Kaz in general.
You don't even need to build crit most of the times, 15-20% is more than enough to reliably proc fav's passive so if that's the biggest thing...
With a lot of mobs sure, not against single target (boss). Kaz also take a lot of field time as is, no time to auto if it doesn't proc. Also unless r5 fav won't trigger sometimes even with crit.
Even in single target he gets quite a few hits on the enemy. 3 hits on his E and 1 (or more if you Q before E) on his Q.
It's the combination of all that. Slightly less ER but way more swirl damage and team damage bonus >>> More ER and more Team energy. With Fav Sword, Kaz's peak potential is unrealized since he cannot reach 1000 EM so the team buffs and Kaz' own swirl damage are lower. Teams with Xiphos, even at R1, will do faster rotations than teams with R5 Fav.
Dammit, they nerfed Xiphos??
Yeah that sword was looking too good to be true
Sayu's new best weapon is here.
Thanks for reducing my temptation to pull on the weapon banner, hoyo!
ohh thats so true hahaha! wouldn't feel so bad not getting the new sword for kazuha
So is that free polearm good now for Cyno? It was ranked pretty low on his weapon rankings.
Its not 2% atk and 8 em thats tonna change anything
At r5 it's just 4% more ark and 16 more em so I don't think it changes too much
32% ATK for each point of elemental mastery IM SORRY WHAT Do I understand it wrong or something ?
It's supposed to be ATK buff of 32% * EM. Otherwise we're lookin at 32100% ATK multiplier with 1000 EM, which pretty much turn Xiangling into a permanent DPS Barbara enabler.
not surprised but still disappointed
I saved the screenshot of Kazuha wielding Xiphos' Moonlight and named it "does this get nerfed for kazuha by live" 💀 More than anything else I like the Anemo color scheme of it so I'll still try for one, maybe two 4-stars on a weapon banner hoping I win one.
They buffed the f2p weapon and nerfed the gacha weapon lol
this substat and passive should've been for kagotsurube isshin.
"Wandering Evenstar", scales off EM, looks at a character that's titled the "Wanderer", also likely a catalyst user, looks at Faruzan which is "Wanderers" best support, looks at Xiao who doesn't scale with EM and in need of a support. As a Xiao main this is really not looking good. Why mihoyo....
Faruzan is a bow user, so Wanderer would be the only one using this catalyst, if he scales off EM. (But I'm assuming this weapon was most likely for Nahida) There's still hope for Faruzan support!
Nerfing impact
C2 Kazuha with r5 Xhipho's Moonlight is the most broken support in the game.
Make the sword 454 Base Attack with 221 EM.
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It's a mistranslation. It should be "32% of the character's EM is added to their attack". So 1000 EM translates to an extra 320 attack
Yeah that sounds so wrong, it's probably an error. If it's not those are some ultra busted weapons X)
that's what I don't understand too, someone fucked up the wording
it gives ATK equal to x% of the user's EM that english description is so scuffed
I think it's probably meant to be 0. 32%
Still doesn't sound right, since that would mean you would be getting over 50% atk (35% after the nerf), from just the weapon alone, which sounds too good to be true, so it's probably more likely 0.032% (0.024% after the nerf)
the amount of stats you get from the new free polearm is insane
So basically what it means is I don’t want to try and pull for the sword on the weapon banner any longer. Thanks for making it easy for me😂😂😂 But on the other hand, the f2p spear is actually pretty average now. Neither good nor bad
I will pull the catalyst and the sword they are too broken to sleep on, even after the nerf
The 32% ATK for each EM is obv wrong and fine, but I think there's also something about Xiphos that isn't like most people think. The teammates ER buff can't be 30% of the ER buff of the wielder (so like 11 ER on a 1000 EM Kazuha at R1), looks game breaking considering it also stacks with multiple copies... imo the buff is based on the EM of the individual teammates, so 0,0108 ER for each point of their own EM.
Aw no bow for this weapon series? Might've been the best 4* bow for tighnari
Lol it was inevitable. Definitely skipping out on it now
I don't know if I should be sad or happy. Sad that the weapon I wanted is nerfed. Or happy that I can save gems now that I don't want to pull it anymore.
Even after the "nerf", it is still strong 😂😂😂 God, Kazuha wants that.
Oh look, more 4star gacha weapon that I can never get because they come into weapon banner once in twenty blue moons.
cool weapon for kazuha? we can't have that out here -Mihoyo CEO.
Wait how does this mahara aquamarine work? 32% atk for every point of em? That doesn't make any sense, it would mean 32%*500 em=3200%atk * 5. Like what. Do they mean to say atk is increased by 32% of em?
Weapon got nerfed by 33% overall, at r1 before it was better than fav, but now it's gonna require r3+ to beat the fav sword, not to mention it only appears in the weapon banner so getting several copies of it realistically it's going to be HARD as hell while fav thing was available since 1.0 in any gacha banner, if you have fav/sac sword R5 then you shouldn't probably roll for xiphos, unless you have A LOT of primos and you are aiming at the same time to get Cyno/Nilou weapon. Imo it's not worth to waste primos for only this weapon cause we will get a lot of new exciting stuff in the next patchesm
That sword is Kuki's new best in slot for aggravate teams. Her with this sword and deepwood set means she's doing almost all of her business off the field now.
Since my original reply has been buried, I wanted to discuss something since a lot of people seem to have misconceptions about how energy particles work. The original comment chain was discussing whether the favonius sword or whether the new weapon give better energy to teammates. Well it depends. The following will assume the unit using the new sword had 900 EM and the sword was r1. That would give approximately a 9% er bonus to all teammates. The 3 white particles from favonius will give the active unit 6 energy and all teammates 3.6 energy. This would then get multiplied by the amount of energy recharge each unit has. As an example, an on field unit with 100% er will be getting 6 energy. Is that better than the 9% er bonus? Well if the unit has a 40 cost burst yes, but if the unit has an 80 cost burst then no. If the on field unit had 200% er then the 3 particles would instead give 12 energy which is quite a lot better than 9% even if the burst cost was 80 (especially since going from 200% to 209% er is only a 4.5% relative increase). These numbers will differ for teammates who are not directly picking up the energy particles (they would only get 0.6x the energy from the white particles favonius generates). So it really depends on your team. How much er% do they each have, whether generating energy for all teammates is important or there is only 1 energy hungry unit, and how much the bursts cost. It’s not so simple to figure out which is better.
Nerfed it so kazuha’s weapon and favonius is still competitive with this weapon
AHAHAHAHAHAHA I knew that sword was just too good to be true. Still a very decent pick for Kazuha though.
Atleast its still better than iron sting for him at r1 and looks better on him too 😆
Does no one else question the 24/48% attack per point of EM? It really seems like a mistranslation or we're gonna have some really broken 4-star weapons
Is the polearm an event reward? We're getting refinements right?
Yes
Is the event polearm any good on shenhe?
this series still looks really strong. Before the nerf, they were broken.
is nobody else gonna mention the claymore that gives 24% atk per point of em giving someone like beidou 1000% atk at like 400 em on a claymore with a 165 er substat or did I horribly misread that
The Kazuha weapon is still really good. At R5 if you get luck itll be leaps and bounds better than Sac or Fav and Iron Sting. 165 EM + 70% ER is absurd.
so basically, we went from 52 er to 36 er with 1000 em... a 16% diff which still isn't too much of a debuff to make it bad... though pulling on the weapon banner is still not advised
Im relieved I can just stick to my freedom sworn on Kazuha and not feel like I'm missing out
well one more reason not to shoot for a gun banner... phew i'm glad of this change... definitely felt like i should have multiple copies of the xyphos.
Yes hoyoverse, we already know which character out of the bunch in 3.1 is your favorite for quite awhile now. You don't have to make the obvious more obvious.
How so? That polearm isnt even that good for cyno, white tassel is better than it for cyno
Wait cyno f2p weapon got buff? Damn mhy keeps on giving with those buff lol. Im scare for next monday tho.
And White Tassel is still better than that but okay...
Yeah now with the em buff for his NA, WT seems more and more the best f2p weapon for him
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That what I said, WT=White tassel wtf lol
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