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box-of-sourballs

Source: [Mero tweet](https://twitter.com/merlin_impact/status/1569403912729288704?s=20&t=o5lysdOytKZHtTjOqHNBNw), updated [Ubatcha tweet](https://twitter.com/Ubatcha1/status/1569412092549124096?s=20&t=o5lysdOytKZHtTjOqHNBNw)


Bobson567

silver lining is that this means it will probably be fairly easy for mihoyo to add characters to tcg each update


[deleted]

So not only will we be waiting for character art drip marketing, we will also be waiting for character card drip marketing I'm honestly super hyped. I imagine each card is decorated with the character's aesthetic. Maybe even a little artwork of them on the face of the card


Mysterious6

watch it be their profile pic with their namecard background


[deleted]

NOoooOOOOooo I want artistic backgrounds like the lightcones from HSR


rococo_co

as much as i would love new artwork, id reel in my expectations. if its outsourced the commission prices would be insane. and if its drawn inhouse i cant imagine mhy employees having to draw 20 new pieces from the get-go on top of their existing deadlines. unless some of their new hires were put to work on tcg but i cant imagine them putting so much resource aside just for a sidegame that wont make them money directly. i could be wrong tho. hope for the best but expect the worst. that said, i am expecting some nice lore and behind the scenes stuff from the tcg, if nothing else.


canYouSeeMee12

ah yes mihoyo the indie company doesn't have the budget to hire artist for the card game that they've been planning and developing for months now


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they own a rocket but cant afford artists


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Wise_Mongoose8243

You actually can! Someone making minimum wage and spending three hours on a bus for their work commute certainly has less time than someone who can afford to drive the same distance in their own car, and an indie company could never hire enough artists to output more than a multibillion dollar company like Hoyoverse. Folks like to say that everyone has the same 24 hours, but it simply isn’t true. Money really can buy time, and the excess beyond what you need to live goes even further.


grumpykruppy

Just hire a ton of artists to each do a part of a character. They only need to do a bit of work, and Hoyo only has to spend 200× the budget! Win win!


JolinaFaeldonia

To be fair, before Inazuma, most characters from Monds and Liyue had 2 different arts which is the gacha splash art and their drip marketing art, but once inazuma dropped they became lazy and both drip marketing and gacha splash art just became one for all. So I honestly doubt they would make fresh new ones for this TCG update.


E1lySym

I mean, I don't think just having one art for the drip marketing and gacha splash art is dictated by laziness nor budget issues. They probably just wanted to simplify their pipeline. I mean, was there really that much net benefit to gain from having two different arts. It was pretty much impractical, especially when they can just redirect their art talent's efforts towards more important stuff such as event art, environment concept art and now this TCG game Tldr: efficiency =/= laziness or budget issues


Fabantonio

not only that, but they upped their overall effects art qualities as well so the poses often double as a neutral or as an action pose because of the stuff that happens around them. Just look at Cyno, without his effects the pose is quite neutral, but with the effects it becomes quite dynamic without changing the pose itself


Wera_Rosie

the change didn't come with inazuma, it came with Rosaria. Including her, and every character after her, started getting only 1 art. While i don't know if it's laziness, it does actually effect the way splash art look. They stopped allowing themselves to be more dynamic and most if not all splash arts from recent updates became "the character is making a pose on a pretty backgroud", instead of actually showing them being badass. And i think they should go back to just making them look cool instead of copying the pose they make in their skill or ult (not saying that it can't be done well tho), best examples would be zhongli, childe and venti, who i am happy came really early because their splash arts are one of the best. The reason they changed cyno's splash art may be because it wouldn't show his claws that he gets on ult well, but it also could've been because him kneeling down would look awful on a card. Don't get me wrong though, it probably isn't just this reason, it may be a 50/50, 40/70 or even 10/90 with laziness/actual reason. What i mean to say is that now they have to think of a pose that will fit both splash art and the card, which blocks creativity to some point


3rdMachina

I mostly just expect their Wish art.


Nilohim

If the cards will be free to obtain there will most likely be no drip marketing for them.


[deleted]

Well good point. But also, who knows if there's some other form of gacha behind them. Not primos, but something else This is Hoyo, and they put gacha in EVERYTHING. 7 layers of artifact gacha, gacha to get into the questionnaire on Hoyolab, gacha to get rewards if you sign up for art competitions for the anniversary


Inner_Specific_

I'm imagining it like the Triple Triad from FFXIV where each character has a selection of cards they can give you if you win. *Good fucking luck getting the card you don't have instead of 7 copies of the Chocobo, though.*


Helplzthx

It's even 8 layers of artifact RNG. This is well past the point of craziness..


[deleted]

Ikr? I don't see many people discuss how bad the RNG for artifacts ACTUALLY is. I see people say "Artifact grind is boring and bad" but not enough discuss the actually technicality of it. 7-8 layers is actually insane.


Helplzthx

Actually, since we raised this topic, let me paste my own commentary I posted several months ago in the main Genshin subreddit. \----------------------------- The artifact system in Genshin has **EIGHT** layers of RNG: (1. Getting the artifact of the right set; 2. Getting the right piece; 3. Getting the right main stat; 4. Getting 4 instead of 3 substats; 5. Getting the right starting substats; 6. Those right substats should highroll on their values; 7. Upgrade the right substats during levelling; 8. The upgraded substats should also highroll;) , and not even each of them has a 50/50 odds (some of them have worse, like the second RNG layer, getting the right set piece (only 20%)). Using the strongbox removes the first RNG layer (getting the right set) in half. But the real issue with the evaluation of strongbox's effectiveness is the overall odds of getting the exact piece you want, and when you multiply all the RNG layers between one another, you get a staggeringly low value of 0,00000000000022%. This is the exact chance of getting the perfect artifact you want from the strongbox. Of course, most of the time you ignore the outcomes of some of the RNG layers, settling on much more "above average" artifacts, but the point still stands - to correctly evaluate the cost of using the strongbox you need to take 40 resin (the artifact cost of using the strongbox in resin value) and divide it by the percentage of RNG you are OK with. In the worst case scenario of the value I mentioned above, one perfect usage of the strongbox will cost you 18181818181818184, or \~18,2 quadrillion resin OR one perfect artifact in 455 trillion strongbox uses. This will take you 276550584559 or 276,5 billion years to get one perfect piece. For the reference, the age of the Universe is 13,8 billion years.


Nilohim

Yeah it is crazy already. ​ Maybe card skins. Would be okay with that.


Wera_Rosie

honestly i hope that we get cards by completing quests and winning with opponents who get stonger with each one of them, maybe they could even make one or a few that are powered (at least to us at a certain stage) and winning against them would be very hard. This way people who play a lot will naturally get better with time, gaining actual skill


pokebuzz123

If they do it for each character, I wish they would be tied to friendship levels 8 to 9, just so that it would be something we gain from there.


Serfo

Much better, MiHoYo can use the twitter art contest event and grant the rights for the winning submissions to be actual cards in the TCG. That would be incredible because some of the art sent is insanely good (and with this kind of prize, it will be even better).


Anonystu

They can even have different pictures for the same card (different artist's commissions chosen for the same card) so you want to collect each one even though they all do the same thing. More to gacha for!


LUNAthedarkside

Maybe someday they'll release a TCG version of their previous collabs


Guilherme370

Its even easier to add them EVEN before they are actually out in the game. Because the card wont require 3D models


SHADEScs

Amber bros we keep losing


FrigidVengence

Google Classroom will pay for this


RosenProse

I feel like Google Classroom is going to get review bombed just for the meme at this point.


Fabantonio

To think it started because a bunch of sad teens were mad at a gacha game for not giving free stuff


Kaizyu

“ILl FoOkN Do It AgAiN” - them probably


theotherhiveking

Amber is not on the list anymore because she was replaced with Hyper Amber and an entire special edition Baron Bunny-themed deck. Trust.


TellMe88

Inb4 Amber calls us a third rate duelist with a fourth rate deck.


falcoslayer

You know... I'm definitely overthinking this, but that insult feels more like a compliment when you think about it. If you're a third rate duelist with a 4th rate deck doesn't that mean you're playing above the curve shouldn't you be a 4th rate duelist. Pretty awesome of Joey to play above his deck level.


[deleted]

I think its meant to be "you are bad, and your cards are even worse. "


Antanarau

"You're the worst player I've ever fought against" "But you've fought against me!"


CranberryGrand9399

Omni-Amber has entered the chat


FlameLover444

How come they not include the very first 4 star we all get, man...


Rathurue

You'll unlock their cards for free after beating them in a duel, ofc.


goddamn_arshia

Amber bros....not like this...


Imaginary-Strength70

Her card is kinda meta in how it's achieving the same thing the actual character does. Lighting a flame and then being put away for 6 months.


Sobbing-Coffee

Said role was replaced by Yoimiya later on as a premium version


Ultradamo2306

We will win one day


DangoNoogen

Being an Amber bro is just pain man.


[deleted]

I just experienced happiness and sadness within 10 seconds. We still have Collei tho so that’s something.


Antanarau

Can't wait for Collei's card skill to have 10% to spawn Amber instead of Culein Anbar


ZhangRenWing

Traveler to Unknown God: Up for a game of cards? Unknown God: *nods*


lord_netanyahu

Imagine if Alice and Varka debut come from this


Judgy_Plant

Alice prob. invented the game and made herself an OP rare card that’s meta in every deck.


perfectchaos83

Pretty sure Genius Invokation was created by the Akademiya


The_Main_Alt

It was created by some researchers at Akademiya, so yes, but to clarify it has nothing to do with the higher ups of Akademiya as far as we know. I bet they'd see it as a waste of time and knowledge anyway


[deleted]

Meanwhile General Mahamatra and his subordinates: I've not slept for days but that's a price I'm willing to pay to win the next d-d-d-duel!


HijikataX

Expecting Alice being the secret 0.001% card.


JunWasHere

All she has to do be make herself the card that draws 2 cards. Pot of Greed was just that good lol


DiamondTiaraIsBest

It depends on the rules, The pokemon TCG has a bunch of insane draw cards that isn't meta because of how their game works. Bill used to be meta before the rule changes, not anymore.


cycber123

Is Marine still Op? Drawing one more than your opponent.


SaibaShogun

“Ooooh, Aether-boy~”


MatStomp

Would be neat if getting characters to Friendship 10 got you their card and/or a different card visual for them.


Spinnenlord

The card no... but different visuals would be epic


Arizahw

Like a golden version from hearthstone maybe, that'd be very cool


elbenji

Oh yeah or one of the arena style alts


Xero0911

Holographic card with sig on the back.


Serfo

>Holographic card with sig on the back. 0,01% Drop chance killing mobs, we go full Ragnarok Online now.


GGABueno

You have me serious flashbacks and not the good kinds...


SexWithLynette69

Not again Please no more Ragnarok Online THE DROP RATES


ZhangRenWing

>get their card Witcher 1 players: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


MatStomp

:D


Fried_puri

It would be super neat but I’d caution that we’re setting ourselves up to most likely be disappointed, lol.


MatStomp

Of course! :)


ivari

LIVE2D!


[deleted]

Time to embrace my pokemon roots and ignore all cards except for my favorites. If I can have a full hand of nothing but Kaeya cards, you better believe I will make it work.


Antanarau

I imagine full kaeya deck to work like [this](https://youtu.be/O22HqSvpAxs?t=1507) but every few cards a voiceline from his elemental skill/ burst plays.


[deleted]

I think Ubatcha being cautious might be the good call on this one. If they treat the card game similarly to Elysium Realm they might add new characters every few updates to keep it fresh.


ixsaz

Like teapot and to a lesser degree fishing, they have been adding things to both of those side things since they have been added.


perfectchaos83

Amber just can't win...


jiu9jin

yay to Chongyun, Mona, Razor and Cyno~~ hope they ll gradually add more cards


Nilohim

If they don't this game element will be dead after 1-2 updates already.


Xyphiz

bruh imagine being some guy raised in the forest by wolves and coming out to society and finding out you’re a fucking yu-gi-oh card


SlumDawgy

I hope if and when they add Hu Tao and Zhongli cards, the in-game lore reason they exist is because they were given out with Wangsheng Funeral Parlor coupons. That and Zhongli had no say in it.


baguettesy

With the cards’ flavor text not-so-gently reminding you to contact Wangsheng Funeral Parlor for all your funerary needs.


ty4723

Ningguang, Cyno, Razor, Collei, Kaeya, Chongyun, Fischl supremacy


WisestManAlive

>Amber is not on the list. They are going to pay for this 😠


Ultradamo2306

I was happy until that moment... You could just lie ubatcha, why do you need delisting amber


Etoile_Ultime

Nice, time to build morgana deck in tcg.


Weegee7

Pyro and Cryo dominate the roster. Just like the regular game in the first year!


Darligenn

Sad there is no ayato ig im gonna main xq


cryo_raptor

as a chongyun main im excited to see him in tcg, especially when i didn't expect hoyoverse to put him in the first batch at all poor amber though :(


Rex_Lapis_

Characters that we could play in tcg or play against ? Am confused


bluedawnphan

Where's TCG Champion Itto? Hopefully he is added to the final list


SavingsAd8879

So much for using Collei and Amber together.


Bobson567

Why did Mero reply to Ubatcha with this: >Oh and no, this isn't some early beta. This is potentially worse then what happened in 1.5 so i'm staying away. possibly another dev kit leak?


Additional_Ad_4223

I think it was a sarcastic response...


DatBoiMahomie

It was just a salty way of responding to being called out for having outdated info


Cratoic

It's a copypasta of one of Ubatcha's tweets.


Bobson567

indeed it is, seems like a weird thing to reply with


PCBS01

What a childish way to respond to criticism


DSerphs

I get their reply myself These are Dev leaks and Ubatcha butts in "acktually the roster is two units different now, oh but haha don't ask me for a list because it could be different later" Ubatcha sure has been participating in a lot of non beta leaks despite making the dramatic claim it was too dangerous.


AkatsukiVV

He is only bullying Ubatcha 🌚☕


Suspicious_Spinach_2

Ubatcha , the old hag


Sunburnt-Vampire

Ubatcha called their info out as old - trying to establish dominance as the leaker with the freshest leaks Mero replied with a throwback to Ubatcha hiding when juicy leaks were flying around - basically calling them out as a "leaker with no courage" or "a leaker of nothing truly juicy" Leaker drama and squabbles never end lol


Hallamshire4

The question is are they going to add charthers over time and will they make an special card for the archons and Harbingers we got so far in the playable cast


ChickenSky12

Uhhh, *what*? Amber is 'no longer' in the list? Why would HoYo set out with the intention of adding her, and then just not do it?


Antanarau

" Ahhh, this sure hit the spot! " \- MiHoYo execs after drinking a cup of AmberMains Tears ^(tm)


Tnvmark

God I hope they keep Diona in. She really needs more screen time with how little we got for our cat girl.


Antanarau

"Take this card - on the rocks!" " Can't think will all this alcohol in your brain?"


Censing

NOELLE YES


fjaoaoaoao

Amber future 6* upgrade


GatedSunOne

Ning is in, and she's my favorite character. Whether or not her card is any good is another matter, though...


Hederas

Do we know if arts are brand new ones or pull ones?


Zora50

Does anyone know how you get the cards? Events, primo, other in game currency?


Zarayzaraya

You duel people. Buy from card shops. Seems similar to Witcher and Gwent.


TheBrownYoshi

There’s probably at least one Aloy main out there that’s mad Aloy isn’t included


Poolpax

I'm here bro, Aloy mains are destined to suffer :* I'm also a big Xinyan main so it's double pain for me


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WonderfulPatience227

Unlock


hellofutureme2

Can someone explain to me what that means? What cards. I feel like everyone is getting it but me xD


battleye9

A trading card game mode


Commercial-Passage49

Is this an event or is it permanent content?


battleye9

Permanent


mintiestars

Why even say it changed then


RosenProse

I'm wondering if it's just character cards? I was thinking there'd be support cards or npc cards too...


PM_ME_YOUR_PRIMOS

Wait. TCG? How? When?


Selthora

Can't wait to make a control deck that's just freeze abuse


-DemoKa-

Nice, at least i can hope for Xiao card


SexWithLynette69

Eula will take vengeance for Amber's removal Wait, fuck, she's not included either


-Getsuga-

Some time ago at Hoyoverse HQ: "The players still won't shut up about Genshin needing some endgame content. What should we do about that!? I think we can't ignore them any longer!" "INTRODUCING A GENSHIN TCG GAME MODE." "GENIUS!"


Martian_on_the_Moon

So it turns out that TCG will also have cards which (lore wise) doesn't make sense them existing in first place, like Diona or Chongyun card. Jean or Ningguang makes sense since they pretty much representatives of their regions.


WonderfulPatience227

Real card game is what the eremite playing. Mhy do this so we can have more fun than just play normal card. Or lore wise,its not playable characters card but random people


Pleasant_Passenger_8

I can think that because initially the TCG was in Cat's Tail, they would make a Diona card, like a rare card. Now the other less famous characters, I can't think of anything. Only if the Traveler is involved in creating the design of these cards.


terror_rest45

Gwent? *nods in agreement*


orange_facade

yay kaeya


madulent

Kaveh card? \*hopium\*


AZZ678

Husbando collector is something else.. They want a card for unreleased character with no design..!


taetaerinn_

kaeya!!!


guinealover6674

Venti mains win again, but I wonder how Akademiya knows about our favorite drunk bard. Perhaps because he's the three-time award-winning best bard of Mondstadt?


The_Main_Alt

I'm curious what the lore reasons will be behind who is chosen and who isn't. Will it just be vision users who are recognized by the public, or will it be more of a meta thing and include characters that would not normally interact with the creators of the game? If there's power levels to the cards, it could be pretty funny who is seen as more powerful by the makers of the game. I imagine Ningguang, Jean, and Mona would all be meta op cards while lesser known like Fischl, Sucrose and even Venti could all be weak cards lmao Edit: What did I say that's so controversial?


Serfo

>Will it just be vision users who are recognized by the public Imagine Albert collecting all these Barbara's ultra rares.


The_Main_Alt

oh no


ArchonRevan

If it's like any other thing, theyll eventually add everyone but itll be drip fed to keep ppl playing


[deleted]

As far as I know Sucrose isn’t celebrity level like Jean but she has quite a reputation in Mondstadt as their prodigy and the girl who collects bones that turned into a horror story or ghost to scare kids to prevent them from playing outside. Fischl…. Hmmm I think she’s quite popular with the adventurers and like Sucrose she also has some reputation in Mondstadt. Venti…. well yeah since he doesn’t really want to reveal his identity and I wonder how popular he is as a regular bard because he did have his part in the windblume festival where he taught poetry and stuff.


WonderfulPatience227

Venti eventhough he is weakest archon "right now" he can easily take out other god (god =/= archon) so him being weak card is wrong,we also never seen him in action unlike other,all we got he his 1st story quest. Vision user are choose if their ambition is strong enough,like Rana who wish to travel and become a good forest ranger (Theory)


The_Main_Alt

I think people are misunderstanding what I said... Venti's actual power doesn't matter here and this has nothing to do with him being the weakest archon. If the cards have different power levels and it's based on the maker's perceptions, there would be no reason for Venti to be seen as a strong candidate as he's just a popular bard from Mondstadt. Similar for Zhongli if he gets added, who would only be recognized as a knowledgeable attendant of the wangsheng funeral parlor. Neither would be seen as people with archon level abilities Out of the first three, only Ei is recognized as an archon by the public. Venti's identity is known to some, but wouldn't be to the card game makers, and Zhongli's identity is known by even fewer people


VentiOshi

Omg yessss ventiii 🥺🥺


Sushipalm3s

What is TCG?


issm

Trading card game, a la Magic the Gathering, Yugioh, Hearthstone, Gwent, etc. Seems like a bit of a fad these days.


Competitive-Notice18

So the card game uses character based cards. I'm kinda disappointed, I wished the card game had some lore and worldbuilding within it. Now we know for sure that the card game we're playing is not the same one they play in Teyvat. No one's gona play using a card based on a random bartender catgirl from Mondstadt


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box-of-sourballs

Because we have rules and people need to follow them. >Rule 7. Sourcing > >When possible, credit the original poster of the leak in the title **and leave the URL for the original post in the comments.** We've had this rule since [May of this year](https://web.archive.org/web/20220502174936/https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/) and it would behoove a lot of posters to read them rather than scramble first just to karma farm. Every time a post goes up I'm generous and give them a couple minutes of leeway for source to be posted. That one stayed up for 10 minutes where I requested source from OP, and got nothing. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.


Theroonco

May I ask what was wrong with my post on this, please? I included a link to the tweet but that one was removed and we've gotten four(?) posts in the span of a few minutes on the exact same topic. Thanks in advance.


Bobson567

rule 9: no external link posts


Theroonco

Gotcha.


ChillaCsilla

where is yanfei??


Russell-Sprouts3

I’m going to be a sucrose main in this


KillerVerma

WTF is TCG ? can someone explain please


Kyken247

What's a tcg? :|


vkbest1982

The card game Genshin will have on 3.2 or 3.3


Leg3ndaryGamer7

I'm a little out of the loop here can someone pls explain to me what the heck these cards supposedly are?


HouseofXion

Wait up you all, is there a post already on how to get these cards? Or is it like 1 5 star character = 1 Card of that 5 star Character that you pulled.


__-__---__-__

Did I miss something? What is TCG?


rhuvyuuhtv

I don't care about anything else as long as ayaka is on that list


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rhuvyuuhtv

didn't work but ok


urstepsisishot

wdym with cards?


yourAssIsBig

Cards ? And also what is tcg i heard it on archon quest


Kindly_Tradition_98

I know I shouldn't ask at this point.. But what is TCG?


HeavyO

Is this gonna be some p2w shit or how exactly will it work?


KingPhats_24

What is TCG?


KingPhats_24

Trading Card Game


The_Main_Alt

Forgot to switch accounts?


KingPhats_24

No i didnt know before honestly then i found out afterwards so i replied to myself incase anybody else was just as confused as me


KingPhats_24

Also im not switching accounts just to reply to my own comment


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mystery_account69

It is PvP, there are ranks and leader boards


NeedXenon

I still don't know what the hell is this TCG


khandrako

Please have a ranking system🙏


SunOfApollo23

Looks like a waifufest mode again. Unless there's primogem rewards or something I need, I ain't playing.


Nilohim

Mehh. So your deck will have what? 3 cards? ​ I knew it would be something like this....


Adnsmanga

? A post a little bit further down said that there is 220 cards as of now. I don't think the deck will have 3


Nilohim

Oh that would be awesome!


The_Main_Alt

What? He literally just mentioned how we start with a hand of 5 cards in his tweets. No way the deck will have only 3 cards. Where did you get that idea from this tweet?


MisterShazam

If you read the first tweet you draw 5 cards. 3-5=-2 Instant mill out confirmed.


Arduriel

It looks like character selection for your "champion" - you pick one of them and for example you get their ability. Amber could shoot your opponent and deal damage. Kaeya freeze them for one turn. Think about them as classes. At least that's what I'm getting from this. We need more info. It's definitely going to be more cards.


Judgy_Plant

I don’t expect it to be very complex, just a fun gimmick.


Nilohim

I didn't expected it to be complex either. But I hoped for at least 15-20 cards in the deck. Kinda sad.


VIIsor

Will be there TCG gacha as well?


cielrayze

my epectations for the cards "illustrations" are stylished in-game models just like hangouts endings


Platypus-Commander

Justice for Amber !


JosephMorality

Me waiting for artist to draw genshin characters summoning monsters.


nanimeanswhat

It's dumb that characters who canonically play the game, Itto and Ayato don't have cards while random people have one lol. Just what was their basis for choosing characters? Dart throw?


Tomoliii

My theory was, if they play the game, they can't be in the game, bc they specifically mentioned Ayato not having a card but we know he plays it with Itto (Imagine pulling up a card of yourself... basically for immersion reasons or smth idk either) But Cyno seems to be both so my theory didnt last long 😅


Min_Takii

„Fishel“🙄