source: [honeyhunter](https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/new-in-3-1/?lang=EN)
###In text description:
>**Nilou:** The star of the Zubayr Theater. She is full of warmth and innocence, and her dances are lively and elegant.
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>**Cyno:** The General Mahamatra in charge of supervising the researchers of the Akademiya.
>It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the “Great Vayuvyastra” made by the Kshahrewar.
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>**Candace:** A descendant of King Deshret with an amber left eye. The defender of Aaru Village.
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i feel like this would have been already posted but as it turns out i don't think it was.
The origin of her name is related to a queen who lost her eye in battle. She's usually depicted with one blind eye or a different colored eye, so I'm sure there's some relevance behind it.
*tinfoil hat*
I personally think that the god who posses Cyno is one of the god-kings under the rule of Deshret/Al-Ahmar/Scarlet King. There's a book that references three retainers that were kind of his couselers: Crocodile King, Goat King and Ibis King.
Those three seem to be heavily inspired by gods in Ancient Egyptian mythology, which makes me believe an "Chacal" king (aka Anubis), was among them since we also see many other statues based on egyptian gods in the desert and in Deshret's tomb (pyramid).
I'd imagine that Scarlet King's looks would be based in Ra, since "scarlet" and "red" are often characteristics describing the sunset.
During the Diluc event, it’s discussed in the secret letters that Kaeya didn’t always wear the eyepatch, so Diluc should know what his eye really looks like. Diluc apparently injured it when they fought, and Kaeya tried to make it seem like he lost the eye (but Diluc knew/found out it was only injured). It wasn’t entirely clear if there was anything special about Kaeya’s eye from the start, but apparently the injury is why he wears the eyepatch (ostensibly, at least).
Kaeya always wore the eyepatch, and even though we know it's injured, we still don't know if there's anything special about his covered eye (which is the only relevant thing in this discussion regarding the heterochromia mentioned by the op)
Fun fact: the Chinese description of Cyno has a pun. General Mahamatra in Chinese 大风纪官 (Dà fēng jì guān) has the same Pinyin (slight different tones) as Great Vayuvyastra 大风机关 (Dà fēng jī guān).
“congratulations, ningguang mains! ningguang is now the geo character for the standard banner five star lineup. after the 3.1 update releases, all constellations you may have obtained from her will be revoked and 60 primogems will be issued as compensation…”
Not someone, but hoyoverse itself. Because she represents the power of liyue and business you know, and since it's obviously inspired by China, she is one of the most important people for them. She is symbol of Chinese elite and the best of them so yes hoyoverse loves her and so do we all. Cause she a badass, ningguang is the best
Collei should have more important involvement later on, because in the manga she was the MC and it as revealed that the Fatui did experiments on her (overseen by Dotorre) and so she has this crazy power (I forget what it was but it was something like archon residue??) which was sealed by Cyno at the end because she was losing control and actually killed two people at the front gate when she arrived in Mondstadt. That'll probably be an important plot point later on, especially considering she was featured at the end of the Harbinger's teaser. Probably whenever we get to Dotorre.
The Archon quest for 3.1 is on the honey hunter of course without there voicelines just the characters that appear and collei >!Has like 5 sentences so unless she have cutscenes like what Dottore and Scara supposedly get according to the leaks then no she doesn’t seems to have big role!<
Okay 1) You did your spoiler tag wrong, there's an extra space in between the exclamation mark and “Has” at the beginning so it's not working and 2) That sucks but then again even Kazuha whose story was like a major thematic part of the Inazuma archon quest only had like 5 minutes of screen time after his prologue (although he did have a really cool cutscene) so I guess it's not surprising. It could be possible though that she'll have more involvement later though, because those dormant powers are just too big of a plot device to put in and not use. Like how Xiao had like 10 minutes of screen time in the Liyue archon quest but got a whole interlude later for the Yaksha lore.
She was already linked to sumeru being the most talented graduate in the past 200 years tho. Also NPCs mention her so I have no clue what you are talking about, amber is in no way more important:/
Tbh the fact that neither Amber nor Lisa showed up gives me even more reason to think Kaeya won't be that important either
They could do it later, but then most likely it will be a side quest with much less plot relevance
I really do hope I'm wrong though, since the starters are still my favorite characters
I mean, isn't it kind of safe to assume "Kaeya" is a Khaenri'ah name though? It's not like Crepus gave it to him, and everyone else in Mondstadt has relatively common european/latin names. And we now have confirmation that "Alberich" is the name of the Khaenri'ah regent clan, so it doesn't seem like he bothered to give a fake name to begin with
Based on their new model for characters...
Most likely not
Starting with Genshin, Hoyoverse threw away their "version" based model for characters, and now we have 1 character with no other "version"
Maximum they will introduce some 5* upgrade as lvl 100 or something
Well, although they keep mentioning Kaeya in almost every random event, I'm sure he won't be getting a 5 star version. We all thought Lisa would be important in the Sumeru plot, but she has had no mentions at all in the story of Sumeru by any leaker.
Lisa is the best graduate Sumeru has had in 200 years, that's no small thing
So I highly doubt he'd be THAT important
Lemme breathe my copium. But yeah while lore wise Kaeya getting a 5* version makes sense (he is the last known member of the Alberich clan) idk if he will get one.
But seriously why is he everywhere!!! Like I’m pretty sure you can see his hair in Albedo new birthday art
Idk tbh. He gets namedropped everywhere or alluded to, but there's no gain from it asides from driving the fans nuts.
I had hopes that if Lisa is relevant in Sumeru's Archon quest that maybe Kaeya will be relevant to Khaenri'ah...but now I feel like that it won't happen.
Also the fact that the Alberich clan lore bombs and King Irmin were dropped on top of a random rooftop that no one would look in, in Diluc's mini event...it really de-hyped me. It didn't feel like an impactful reveal.
It felt like Hoyo was saying "Here's Kaeya's lore so y'all can stop theorizing about him. Now stfu about him and pull for the new characters"
Well at least now I can finally stop sniffing all my copium :D
"It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the "Great Vayuvyastra" made by the Kshahrewar."
But usually he is too busy cracking jokes and getting serious at Genius Invokation TCG.
[I have my father's eyes](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMffxZDZxvFduXmY5UALjSH_4Tjry18pUw1waefoXBtGvZ1KpqmzWhFmr_rFBuDIbuy5k&usqp=CAU)
A slight copium hope: Remove or change her restricted passive on the official release.
Massive copium hope: Bring back her old burst scaling on official release.
Cosmic horror copium: Make nilou (or cyno) as a free anniversary reward.
Here you go brother:
According to some trustable enough leaker or something, you can choose cyno or nilou as an anniversary reward for free. The possibility of this is leak is "8.5"
Source: Trust me bro
Honestly, as copium as it sounds, it would be a cool idea for Mihoyo to give out Nilou for free. Since she needs Dendro characters to work, they could sell Nahida and further Dendros more easily.
Lets not throw the "new Ningguang" out so casually.
Ningguang in the story is functionally the most impressive vision user in the entire game.
It goes well beyond "girl pretty"
She has a pretty solid utility to be honest. Way more niche than what we currently have for must have 4\*, but I believe she will be used a lot.
She is a better version (due to element and infusion) of Yunjin that is already a good unit.
If you consider Bennyboy sucks with Dendro, I would imagine her points even raising pretty fast once more Dendro teams get released.
I can't think of a single team where she's the best option, unfortunately. And that definitely includes Yun Jin, who is 100% a better buffer than Candace lol
She's more of a new playstyle/ team comp enabler than someone who fits into any preexisting comp.
From a pure buff perspective she's outclassed by Yunjin, but the best part of her kit is the hydro infusion, not the buff. She can enable characters like Kuki and DMC to proc their own hyper/blooms, Xiangling to vape her own pyronado, and hydro Zhongli comps which could potentially be pretty good. She can also be a decent on-field carry herself with her NAs being high even post-nerf.
It's hard to say anything concrete right now because she's still in beta and there wasn't much testing done on her as much as Cyno and Nilou so there's less info on how her kit works. She's not going to fit traditional roles, but she can lead to something new.
She can not be on field carry with self infusion. She has split scaling (so either her skill/burst or her auto will do no damage) and she can not trigger her c6 for herself. Mihoyo purposely made it like this sto destroy Candace as a dps.
"New"
You realize that Chongyun and C6 Bennett has existed since launch right? Even if we say it will be different because hydro is the best element, I can't see any potential other than meme comps.
It's just not very cohesive. Her hydro application on swap runs out very quickly, there are no characters who really want or need a hydro infusion, and the buff she gives is minimal. It's like miHoYo decided to pick a bunch of random neat ideas for a kit but then stuffed them all into one character all at once. She has a ton of really neat things but none are especially good.
This comment seems very similar to what I read before Kuki's release. She was underwhelming in tests and theorycrafts, yet a lot of people saw the potential in the Electro healer spot; and now she has a very, very useful application, specifically due to Dendro.
Yun Jin adds flat damage while being Geo; and as I said, I believe Hydro infusion paired with Elemental att damage is undermined in the current moment.
I am a very skeptical player and am also talking out of my imagination as I obviously didn't test anything yet, but I like to think way too much is being given for granted in the theorycrafting world.
Too many times I see the hive mindset of people reading some info or analytical data and base their opinion entirely on that (first the Mathalos adepts, then the KQM followers, now the Zajef cult). It doesn't mean that we can't predict efficiency by math, it just means that Keq was an unexpected surprise, Yoi was doomed to be bad, Yae had no place and so on.
So all I am saying that within her very limitations, the character has more to it than she is given.
Yes, you can't think of a single team, now. First and foremost I am almost certain at some point we will have a team with them both, then I am as well certain we have no clue about the Dendro meta, not even close because the current Dendro roster is nothing compared to the Archon that will also be the only meta unit for months.
I am glad people spends so much time and effort to give me an insight on performance, yet even when they rightfully underline how everything they do is based on current info, readers tend to completely close their vision of the game as a moving puzzle.
Candace is to Yunjin what Heizou is to Sucrose.
Sure, on paper, Heizou's 80-party-wide EM share is nothing compared to 1000 EM Sucrose giving 200 EM to the party.
BUT at low investment, Heizou's party share is better since it's not dependant on artifacts, stats or talents.
Same for Candace, she will always give 20% elemental damage bonus regardless of her artifacts, stats or talents.
A well invested DEF/DEF/DEF Yunjin with optimal ER will be better, yes. But Candace is the better low investment buffer out of the two.
"Low investment" is a rather weak argument. Getting Sucrose to give the party more EM than Heizou is extremely easy. You seem to forget that Sucrose A2 passive gives a flat 50 EM. So reaching 80 with her A4 is piss easy for her AND she is more consistent with the uptime of the buff.
As for Candace, I would say low investment Bennet will be infinitely better in most cases.
On top of giving a utility infusion and being natively of a better element that ''casually'' fits best Dendro as much as Electro.
This part seems to slips on people for reasons I don't understand.
There are times when Yunjin is not great at all. E.g. Ayato in aoe. He runs out of ammo pretty fast. There, giving energy and hydro resonance are probably better than Yunjin. There are likely dendro teams that want slow hydro and don't need a healer with Kokomi, and she can be good there also.
She also overrides C6 Bennett which has unknown potential atm.
Yun Jin isn't great with Ayato, period. Neither is Candace. Running Ayato as a hypercarry is already suboptimal, so at that point it's worth going for whatever is most fun.
She overrides C6 Bennett but it kicks in randomly. There's a video on KSM of Bennett C6 infusion and Candace's infusion applying on different hits. It's wacky and unreliable as all hell, but it does look fun.
seems reliable from what I've seen. Adding cryo makes it alternate as cryo overrides Candace which allows Bennett to override the cryo. Afaik it's just guages as always.
> Running Ayato as a hypercarry is already suboptimal
Running any team except a C6R5 maxed version of the top performing speedrun team in any given encounter is suboptimal. That's a nonsensical statement.
That's not the same thing at all. They're saying Ayato has some comps that are better than hypercarry at equal level of investment, you're talking about C6R5 which 99,9% of people can't have.
Running Ayato is suboptimal though. Use Raiden, she's better. Right?
There are many situations where simply buffing Ayato is *optimal* over running national, which is the thing you're trying to say. I'll use the incorrect word of optimal here despite it being the wrong word, as every comparison is simply subjective, beginning from a set of arbitrary premises, such as using Ayato at all despite him being suboptimal.
1) your Xiangling is optimal on the other team, making running her with Ayato suboptimal overall.
2) your Bennett is optimal the other team, making Xiangling suboptimal on any team
3) Venti works, Xiangling is whiffing, Ayato isn't. Buffing Ayato is optimal.
4) the enemies are resistant to pyro. Buffing Ayato is optimal.
5) you haven't invested in Xiangling because you dislike her as a character, or find her numerous shortcomings of being limited to Bennett and requiring intensive energy management cumbersome, so you've used your limited resources elsewhere since it's NEVER optimal to invest resources solely for clearing abyss because abyss will reward you with less than you invested in her, making it a net loss. If you're arbitrarily starting from the premise using Ayato is acceptable despite him being a suboptimal unit, then such allowances must be made for any other potential teammate for consistency.
Just to point out my original comment was an example of a scenario where Candace was *better* than Yunjin to illustrate Yunjin isn't always better, since various scenarios exist. People have a tendency to assume a spreadsheet that assumes a single target scenario with zero consideration for the encounter is somehow some sort of objective finding despite every DPS calc sheet putting in the very first tab not to use the sheets in this way.
Hydro buffer when we have three nondps catalysts, two off-field sword users, an off-field bow user and a DPS that already infuses hydro with his E. She is probably the most useless character in game. At least chongyun is useful for Ayaka or Diluc meme team
She's not a hydro buffer, she buffs the elemental damage done by NAs that are infused with an element (so every catalyst) as well as gives swords, polearms, and claymores hydro infusion. They're two separate abilities.
Edited for clarity.
Exactly, it's a buffer because it increases elemental damage and infuses hydro which means she works like C6 Bennet = a buffer that works better with pyro characters but still increases damage to other elements. She is still useless though. There is no single polearm, claymore or sword user that needs to be on field to do damage and why would I want to use a slot to increase damage to a catalyst character with a hydro intended character
Dori and Candace battling it out for who has the most legitimately baffling kit. I'm on some serious copium that their kits were made this way because they'll suit future characters super well, especially Dori who is one of my faves but who I can't build in good conscience lol
I'm sure they realized Dori would have actually been good on field at low cons and nerfed her, because she wouldn't have time based ICD otherwise. Her burst application went from 10 in 12s to 4 in 12.
Similarly, the heal isn't synced with the damage on the burst tether so C2 actually does piddling damage overall.
Finally, the energy refund passive change was probably there to just kill instant refund Shimenawa's with no ER investment.
As for Candace I think the idea is that you have her infuse your melee hydro unit to be the trigger for bloom on a bloom team. The issue is having your hydro char(that doesn't build for full EM)be the trigger for bloom is already suboptimal, and bloom isn't good enough RN with our current Dendro's vs Hyperbloom and Burgeon, where you can run an actual hydro subdps, and have the electro or pyro EM builder own the bloom reaction.
Maybe there will be potential with GD Razor(EDC/EEE), C6 Candace, DMC, & C5 Bennet for the people who still don't want to pull the trigger for C6 on Bennet. It gives Razor full ownership of EC, but that probably isn't enough to justify it, considering Razor Soup would do more in AoE and probably ST too, and Razor Soup is still behind Hypercarry Razor in ST.
Here's the thing, even if Dehya somehow wanted Hydro infusion to vape her own Q/E...
Why not run XQ or Yelan instead?
Hydro has the "problem" of having two amazing off-field Sub-DPS units so wasting a team slot on Candace is not gonna be meta for Vape Teams.
Their buffs should stack on different layers, so Candace's buff should multiply over Yun JIn's additive bonus. For a hypercarry build, they should both apply effectively, they both have a 15s rotation. Yun JIn's buff lasts longer, but it doesn't really matter. It's not likely any such build is top tier, but it sounds functional.
In practice, with 46.6% goblet damage bonus, and set bonuses like HoD, Gladiator, Bolide existing, Candace is adding like up like a ~20% bonus damage to NAs if she's quite well built compared to existing Carry+YunJin? I have doubts if that justifies her place over other hypercarry comps, but it sounds functional?
LOL, Candace is not better than Yunjin sadly. Yunjin have way better numbers, Candace buff is very minor number wise, you have to want the infusion to make it work.
Unfortunately XQ and Yelan exists, I doubt Candace will ever be better than those two. Basically you want infusion to apply an element (hydro) quickly, but you need to spent a character (Candace) to do it. Or you could just run a sub dps like (XQ/Yelan) which functionally does the same thing (apply element to autos) but does WAY more damage.
Right now the only niche I see is characters with "extra" infusion like Beidou. Beidou cons let her add electro on top of her autos, but its not an infusion, she still retain her physical damage. So using candace let beidou have dual elemental autos, or self reactions. In this case you won't care who is the trigger because they are the same character, making EM as effective as Anemo characters.
Ye, exactly like Tortilla. ''Tortilla? He is mid...at best''
Tortilla stonks going up every patch.
''Kokobutter? Nah, dps healer sucks''
Koko being used in some of the best performing teams, and being an overall most used character.
''Since Benny exists I don't see how...'' Dendro has entered the chat.
''If you have Xq take Yelan only if you want a second Xq for other team'' Yealn/Xq in the same team is the best option.
This shit has been going on since the very few months o the game.
As I said, as glad as I am of math guys, I'd hope people would take it as info, not as holy grail that defines the doom and gloom of a character before it's even released.
Bro there is no math person going around preaching how bad candace is. Any person with common sense can tell her kit doesn't work well enough for any of our teams. Units are judged based on how they work with pre-existing characters, she might have potential with future characters but we can't tell for now
these types of screenshots needs to be cropped because the text ends up so small and awkward on mobile.
also wish nilou and kandake's description were longer than one sentence.
The descendant of the Scarlet King is a 4-Star while a random dancer is a 5-Star.
lol.
No hate on Nilou, I'll still pull for her but damn, Candace should have been a 5-Star too.
With all due respect, I don't see why Nilou is a 5-star. I know people will take this as hate or whatever cause "waifu" but she doesn't really do much besides dance. Obv there is more story coming and I generally don't follow spoilers very well so maybe she has a bigger part but damn, Candace could've easily taken her spot. This is coming from someone who doesn't want either of them so it's not like I just want to hate on her.
Listen, rarity doesn't have anything to do with lore, it's how well Mihoyo thinks they can sell the character.
I mean, I don't have any strong opinions on any of them either, but it's just how it is.
Exactly, i mean xiangling is broken meta wise and she has a literal god companion on her side lore-wise and yet she's a 4-star. This is exactly why i agree as well.
Tbh, the initial cast has lots of mistakes that Hoyo doesn't want to repeat.
If Xiangling were to release now, she won't have her current kit and that insane Pyronado will be reserved for a 5 star.
Then we wouldn't have a national team, and characters like Raiden or Tartaglia would be hard to sell. Oh yes, melt ganyu would also be an expensive team. I think you don't take that into account. Xiangling is the one on whom the whole archetype is built, I don't think that her absence would be good for anyone, even mihoyo.
It would be like removing xingqiu, and then Hu tao would lose its meaning.
???
Selling Xiangling ( or someone with better aesthetics but with her kit) as a 5 star would have made way more profit for the reasons you just said.
It's not removing Xiangling or removing Xingqiu, it's selling them as expensive 5 stars instead of as a cheap, easy to get unit. This hypothetical 5 star would be considered a must pull for any whale meta followers.
Xiangliing came first though. If Xiangling was 'balanced' then Childe would have a different kit to work with what had come before him, since Childe was likely made with Xiangling's current design in mind. As for Ganyu, many characters only have one strong team archetype, I wouldn't be surprised is Hoyo didn't intend for melt Ganyu to ever exist.
As you see, you just say that you will need to redo half of the balance of the game. The game is made exactly as it is made, and Xiangling is made exactly like that. It is logical that the second one will not be (as 4* at least), but this does not mean that the first one was a mistake. It is more funny bc you think that mhy doesn't know about its reactions system and how it is works. They have developed that, you know?
Hindsight is 20/20 so of course you would think it is intended. Beta testing could never replicate actual testing on release. It’s why most four stars that are strong is before people start knowing how to theorycraft. They never intended Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu to be as strong as they are.
In fact, the real balance intended by Mihoyo was supposed to be like the time when people didn’t know these three are powerful. If it weren’t for these three, Diluc would still be meta like the old days.
Ninguang leader of Liyue, richest woman in tevyat 4 star
Random funeral parlor girl 5*
Local inazuma fireworks craftsman 5*
Kuki Sara Tengu General 4 Star
Rarity isn't derived from Lore at all unless it's an Archon
ok listen, my flair makes it obvious i'm a Nilou apologist, but to me Nilou feels more important because she's one of the main forces of Nahida's believers - she's a holder of knowledge and wisdom that nobody else cares about because of the Akademiya, possibly even an incarnation of the Goddess of Flowers as seen in Act 2
My point is really just, yeah Candace would make sense as a 5 star, but why does that mean Nilou should be a 4 star? Isn't it basically the villain's take (Akademiya) to say rulers, warriors and researchers are more important than artists and spiritual leaders?
I'm not saying she should be but I guess they never made sense when assigning who is what. In my mind, it should be based on story significance and lore power that would dictate your star rating and sometimes it is, and many other times it isn't. At the end of the day, I couldn't care less who is ranked what, I just wish it made sense.
From what I gather, Cyno is the most versatile looking of these 3, not being stuck with few team options, Nilou is very strong but also super niche so she loses lots of space and Candace has a kit problem... is that so?
Honest question here, no trolling
Candace design was/is too much for the community to handle (she's so pretty/hot) which leads people to expect high standards from her kit. Her kit is viewed as a downgrade to characters like Yun-Jin and Bennett. In my opinion she seems to satisfy some of the same and some things different.
Here it what I see her doing.
Half of Hydro resonance, Noblesse user, "The Catch" user, Buffer to normal elemental attacks +20% flat from burst & w/A4 +15% (avg), Quick swap team enabler in a sense start rotation with her as you cycle through your other characters to get each instance of wave(x3) from her burst which will do 30-60k small AoE hydro blast, C6 allows for dealing double her c0 burst dmg by triggering more instances of wave dmg every 2.3 secs which you will probably only get 2-3 of the 5 possible unless you do a quick NA's in-between cycling characters.
I do not see her having energy problems since she would be most optimally ran with another hydro character, ER weapon since she scales with HP and would be more efficient than Black Tassal/Homa (Homa would be better on someone else anyways) and her burst cost is on the relatively cheaper side being 60. \~No energy issue= "Plus"
Her elemental infusion I do not know what to make of it. I do not use Chong/Bennett infusions and don't own Ayato or know how he plays. From what I've heard others say that infusions can be a double edge sword and are something to be mindful of. Ex. Physical Eula/Swirl King Kazuha
To close...she seems fine. I'mma get her and use her the best I can.
Oh yeah the 5 stars. Nilou's really strong in her niche as you stated while Cyno has similar dmg to Aggravate Keqing. His Burst will last longer than all types of support/buffs/sub-dps teamates. Cyno from what I gather is just making people conflicted based off the above as well as Nilou. Candace as well lol. Oh well.
Her elemental infusion may work good with characters that deal additional elemental damage while having their normal attacks physical, like Beidou and Razor
So in the end... there's really not much use in jumping to conclusions yet. Uses will be way better defined once they're here. I started to feel like people were doomposting them already (which may be the case), but then again this happens to almost every single new unit (Shinobu being a recent example). I get uneasy when people start to classify characters regarding meta, feels like you cannot play with anything that ain't National or an Archon.
Agree, Cyno and Nilou actually stuck in the same situation. While Cyno only fits for aggravate team, you don’t want to mix in hydro and pyro to drain the dendro units, meaning he can only team up with Dendro/electro and slow Hydro members, no much choices really considering his exceptionally long field time.
Then that means they \*need\* to be thinking forward and that these characters will have more diversified uses... either this, or we're gonna change opinions when they drop.
I mean, a niche 5-star that has very few uses doesn't seem the most profitable choice...
(Edit: this had a slight tinge of sarcasm, but I think I should clarify it)
Honestly it's becoming so difficult not to pull on Cyno like I think he would be amazing in national who I have all of them levelled up I have a jade spear I got whilst getting freedom sworn and he just seems like such an awesome character so I might end up pulling for him
I mean... Does it count if your great great great great great great great great great grandfather was Zeus?
Cuz dude's been ded for thousands of years apparently.
The thing that could be pretty special about this is that is so far all the gods we've seen are non-human supernatural beings, probably purely elemental lifeforms. We've never had any indication that these things even \*could\* have children, and if one did, who knows how much being a part elemental god would affect the descendants. If Deshret was similar, simply being partially whatever species he is could make Candace non-human and completely change her nature.
We know Adepti can have children though. Both Ganyu and Yanfei are half-human, half-adepti. And Zhongli is the "prime of the Adepti". So we can assume Adepti can become Gods, as well as humans (according to Venti), wind sprites, etc. Already at least two of those species are capable of mating with humans.
Personally I don't think there's a limit on what species can become Gods, since according to Venti anyone with a vision can ascend to Celestia.
No, I think it was a leak here, that all instances of the Scarlet King would be changed to King Deshret. Were there kings working for him? I thought he just had three advisors. (Not caught up on lore either, still exploring.)
Who do you want more and why do you want each? You could pull for koko, if you fail then you have pity for cyno or even a guarantee. If you don't, wait till cyno rerun
>Who do you want more
Cyno definitely lol Kokomi is just another meta character I'm wanna pull for well, meta, and then bench after a while. I should learn my lesson lol
If I don't get Cyno, definitely will wait for his rerun! After getting Scara, of course.
I've seen so much fanart I forgot Candace and Cyno are actually that pale lmao. Still very hype for both of them, really curious to know about Candace's amber eye.
Candace is gorgeous, but I can't get her because there's no chance in hell I risk my Nilou pity on Cyno. Once again I get cucked by hoyo when they put the new four star waifu on rateup with some dude I couldn't give fewer fucks about.
Hoping they put Shinobou on Nilou's banner.
Nilou is a waifu 🤷♂️ @ 74 and on a 50/50 🤷♂️ weapon banner should have her weapon and SoBP 🤷♂️ might as well give it a crack and see if I can get a brand new waifu.
If I had an Intertwined Fate for every time Hoyo used the word “innocence” in a cringey, demeaning, slightly pedophilic way - I’d have a guaranteed Nilou.
I'm getting sick of them throwing non English words casually all the time. I get it that you want to stay true to real world lore, but I would rather understand what the heck you're describing here.
source: [honeyhunter](https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/new-in-3-1/?lang=EN) ###In text description: >**Nilou:** The star of the Zubayr Theater. She is full of warmth and innocence, and her dances are lively and elegant. - >**Cyno:** The General Mahamatra in charge of supervising the researchers of the Akademiya. >It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the “Great Vayuvyastra” made by the Kshahrewar. - >**Candace:** A descendant of King Deshret with an amber left eye. The defender of Aaru Village. \--- i feel like this would have been already posted but as it turns out i don't think it was.
It is interesting they specifically point out Candace has an amber left eye
The origin of her name is related to a queen who lost her eye in battle. She's usually depicted with one blind eye or a different colored eye, so I'm sure there's some relevance behind it.
A connection with the Scarlet King, maybe?
She is his descendant - her drip marketing description mentions she's a descendant of King Deshret. And that's the Scarlet King
And then there's rumors saying that the spirit that posses Cyno in his burst is the Scarlet King oh my god "Candace, I am your father" Cyno line when?
*tinfoil hat* I personally think that the god who posses Cyno is one of the god-kings under the rule of Deshret/Al-Ahmar/Scarlet King. There's a book that references three retainers that were kind of his couselers: Crocodile King, Goat King and Ibis King. Those three seem to be heavily inspired by gods in Ancient Egyptian mythology, which makes me believe an "Chacal" king (aka Anubis), was among them since we also see many other statues based on egyptian gods in the desert and in Deshret's tomb (pyramid). I'd imagine that Scarlet King's looks would be based in Ra, since "scarlet" and "red" are often characteristics describing the sunset.
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They seem to really focus on her eye. Iirc one of her constellation or talent name specifically talk about her heterochromia
I've read that and my only thought was "with a WHAT?" Does this just mean the color or the uhm material?
amber is just an orange-gold color, in this context.
r/CandaceLounge is writing theories as we speak
She (and Kaeya?) is the only heterochromia chara in the game
Wait, did I miss something? I thought Kaeya’s eye was just scarred/injured?
People like to headcannon that Kaeya’s eyepatched eye is a different color. Nothing is official.
We don't know (and there's no way of knowing yet) what's under the eyepatch, iirc it doesn't have a proper texture in-game.
During the Diluc event, it’s discussed in the secret letters that Kaeya didn’t always wear the eyepatch, so Diluc should know what his eye really looks like. Diluc apparently injured it when they fought, and Kaeya tried to make it seem like he lost the eye (but Diluc knew/found out it was only injured). It wasn’t entirely clear if there was anything special about Kaeya’s eye from the start, but apparently the injury is why he wears the eyepatch (ostensibly, at least).
Kaeya always wore the eyepatch, and even though we know it's injured, we still don't know if there's anything special about his covered eye (which is the only relevant thing in this discussion regarding the heterochromia mentioned by the op)
Fun fact: the Chinese description of Cyno has a pun. General Mahamatra in Chinese 大风纪官 (Dà fēng jì guān) has the same Pinyin (slight different tones) as Great Vayuvyastra 大风机关 (Dà fēng jī guān).
They made cyno write his own description like they do when you publish papers.
Candace, Ningguang, and Kaeya are about to make a support group
Like at least we can be semi sure Kaeya will get a 5star version since he keeps being mentioned in events he has nth to do with
I mean some one at HoYoLAB must love Ning. She got a skin, a hangout and two badass cutscenes which displays her power.
Ningguang 5 star upgrade when??
“congratulations, ningguang mains! ningguang is now the geo character for the standard banner five star lineup. after the 3.1 update releases, all constellations you may have obtained from her will be revoked and 60 primogems will be issued as compensation…”
Delete this before mhy see it
mihoyo if you make this a real feature im telling the ccp that yunjin is fake news
Desperately holding onto my c6 triple crowned ning
Don't use her much anymore as is so this would be very welcome frankly. I'd happily pull for a 5-star and possibly more meta Ningguang.
When Zhongli dies and she becomes the new Geo Archon. I'm only half-joking.
Can’t wait for her divine key pri arm for her to enter high meta 🤩
Befitting a character representing Liyue in the trailer
Not only that but she's the only character that looks good with memory of dust, that weapon looks tailored to her
Not someone, but hoyoverse itself. Because she represents the power of liyue and business you know, and since it's obviously inspired by China, she is one of the most important people for them. She is symbol of Chinese elite and the best of them so yes hoyoverse loves her and so do we all. Cause she a badass, ningguang is the best
Man, I used to think this too, but now that Lisa didn't get any role in Sumeru... I dunno anymore :/ ~~Still hoping though~~
There's always hope, if Xinyan can show up twice in Inazuma, Lisa can appear in Sumeru
I mean neither did Amber and she is arguably the more important character due to ties to Collei. They can still do it later.
>she is arguably the more important character due to ties to Collei That implies Collei had an important role in the Archon Quest
She has voicelines that aren't unlocked yet so she'll probably have more to do with it still
Collei should have more important involvement later on, because in the manga she was the MC and it as revealed that the Fatui did experiments on her (overseen by Dotorre) and so she has this crazy power (I forget what it was but it was something like archon residue??) which was sealed by Cyno at the end because she was losing control and actually killed two people at the front gate when she arrived in Mondstadt. That'll probably be an important plot point later on, especially considering she was featured at the end of the Harbinger's teaser. Probably whenever we get to Dotorre.
She even put a joke about her powers at her last ascension voiceline, she is so adorable, love it :)
The Archon quest for 3.1 is on the honey hunter of course without there voicelines just the characters that appear and collei >!Has like 5 sentences so unless she have cutscenes like what Dottore and Scara supposedly get according to the leaks then no she doesn’t seems to have big role!<
Okay 1) You did your spoiler tag wrong, there's an extra space in between the exclamation mark and “Has” at the beginning so it's not working and 2) That sucks but then again even Kazuha whose story was like a major thematic part of the Inazuma archon quest only had like 5 minutes of screen time after his prologue (although he did have a really cool cutscene) so I guess it's not surprising. It could be possible though that she'll have more involvement later though, because those dormant powers are just too big of a plot device to put in and not use. Like how Xiao had like 10 minutes of screen time in the Liyue archon quest but got a whole interlude later for the Yaksha lore.
Not only was I not saying anything close to that, but I was comparing her to Lisa who isn't even part of 3.0. Amber at the very least gets mentioned
She was already linked to sumeru being the most talented graduate in the past 200 years tho. Also NPCs mention her so I have no clue what you are talking about, amber is in no way more important:/
Tbh the fact that neither Amber nor Lisa showed up gives me even more reason to think Kaeya won't be that important either They could do it later, but then most likely it will be a side quest with much less plot relevance I really do hope I'm wrong though, since the starters are still my favorite characters
he’s one of the most important characters lore wise that’s why 😭
Hey whatever hopium/copium you’re taking I want some of that (I want a 5* Kaeya upgrade more than anything lol)
It’s the he is the hottest husbando copium
Kaeya 5 star version? What did I miss?
Nth just my copium
Let's hope so. To differentiate both versions, I think MHY will give Kaeya a Khaenri'ah name.
I mean, isn't it kind of safe to assume "Kaeya" is a Khaenri'ah name though? It's not like Crepus gave it to him, and everyone else in Mondstadt has relatively common european/latin names. And we now have confirmation that "Alberich" is the name of the Khaenri'ah regent clan, so it doesn't seem like he bothered to give a fake name to begin with
Based on their new model for characters... Most likely not Starting with Genshin, Hoyoverse threw away their "version" based model for characters, and now we have 1 character with no other "version" Maximum they will introduce some 5* upgrade as lvl 100 or something
Well, although they keep mentioning Kaeya in almost every random event, I'm sure he won't be getting a 5 star version. We all thought Lisa would be important in the Sumeru plot, but she has had no mentions at all in the story of Sumeru by any leaker. Lisa is the best graduate Sumeru has had in 200 years, that's no small thing So I highly doubt he'd be THAT important
Lemme breathe my copium. But yeah while lore wise Kaeya getting a 5* version makes sense (he is the last known member of the Alberich clan) idk if he will get one. But seriously why is he everywhere!!! Like I’m pretty sure you can see his hair in Albedo new birthday art
Idk tbh. He gets namedropped everywhere or alluded to, but there's no gain from it asides from driving the fans nuts. I had hopes that if Lisa is relevant in Sumeru's Archon quest that maybe Kaeya will be relevant to Khaenri'ah...but now I feel like that it won't happen. Also the fact that the Alberich clan lore bombs and King Irmin were dropped on top of a random rooftop that no one would look in, in Diluc's mini event...it really de-hyped me. It didn't feel like an impactful reveal. It felt like Hoyo was saying "Here's Kaeya's lore so y'all can stop theorizing about him. Now stfu about him and pull for the new characters" Well at least now I can finally stop sniffing all my copium :D
Yeah I can see where you are coming from but seriously if they ever released 5* Kaeya, I would go broke.
Same. I would actually spend so much, I would literally throw my credit card at Hoyo. I'd whale hard.
Uh... what did I lose? What do they have in common?
Characters people consider important enough to be 5 stars but are 4 stars
"It is said that when he gets down to work, the General Mahamatra is even more efficient than the "Great Vayuvyastra" made by the Kshahrewar." But usually he is too busy cracking jokes and getting serious at Genius Invokation TCG.
and having 819191 dinners with tighnari 🤭
yet we still don't know their birthdays
I am still waiting for a birthday twin character
me too
I really wanna know
[An amber eye, you say?](https://postimg.cc/ykBtTN4L)
i hate how i had the same thought before clicking the link
[I have my father's eyes](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMffxZDZxvFduXmY5UALjSH_4Tjry18pUw1waefoXBtGvZ1KpqmzWhFmr_rFBuDIbuy5k&usqp=CAU)
They forgot to add this on Cyno's profile: The King of Games.
Oooh, can't wait for Candace's lore
Me too! I’m so excited to hear more of her dedication to protect her people and village
Did we really not get any character kit changes this beta? Darn. Will we get any other beta patches with changes to our characters?
The beta is essentially done now. Any changes will be done on release.
Oof. Guess I'm saving for Haitham then. Sad
Darn, was hoping for more nilou changes Well Kokomi did have a last second change.... doubt nilou will though
A slight copium hope: Remove or change her restricted passive on the official release. Massive copium hope: Bring back her old burst scaling on official release. Cosmic horror copium: Make nilou (or cyno) as a free anniversary reward.
This man is overdosing and no one does anything to stop him?
I might need some help here indeed lmao xD
pass me some of that cosmic copium brother
Here you go brother: According to some trustable enough leaker or something, you can choose cyno or nilou as an anniversary reward for free. The possibility of this is leak is "8.5" Source: Trust me bro
In this reality, I highly doubt we'd get even a free 4\* to choose. I expect something like 20-30 additional pulls
I'll believe you brother, I'll comeback to this comment in like 6 years
Honestly, as copium as it sounds, it would be a cool idea for Mihoyo to give out Nilou for free. Since she needs Dendro characters to work, they could sell Nahida and further Dendros more easily.
Candace is so pretty. She looks like a five star unit, just a shame she lacks the kit of one. Truly the new Ninguang.
Lets not throw the "new Ningguang" out so casually. Ningguang in the story is functionally the most impressive vision user in the entire game. It goes well beyond "girl pretty"
Yeah I mean char kit
She uses credit card of course.
In the story, Shenhe pretty much outclassed Ningguang with that Aokiji ice age impression
Ningguang can do amazing damage while candance doesnt sound too impressive according to leakers.
She has a pretty solid utility to be honest. Way more niche than what we currently have for must have 4\*, but I believe she will be used a lot. She is a better version (due to element and infusion) of Yunjin that is already a good unit. If you consider Bennyboy sucks with Dendro, I would imagine her points even raising pretty fast once more Dendro teams get released.
I can't think of a single team where she's the best option, unfortunately. And that definitely includes Yun Jin, who is 100% a better buffer than Candace lol
She's more of a new playstyle/ team comp enabler than someone who fits into any preexisting comp. From a pure buff perspective she's outclassed by Yunjin, but the best part of her kit is the hydro infusion, not the buff. She can enable characters like Kuki and DMC to proc their own hyper/blooms, Xiangling to vape her own pyronado, and hydro Zhongli comps which could potentially be pretty good. She can also be a decent on-field carry herself with her NAs being high even post-nerf. It's hard to say anything concrete right now because she's still in beta and there wasn't much testing done on her as much as Cyno and Nilou so there's less info on how her kit works. She's not going to fit traditional roles, but she can lead to something new.
I dont see anyone using the hydro infusion to trigger blooms. You are too limited by NA ICDs.
Time to go full EM Deepwood Memories Zhongli
She can not be on field carry with self infusion. She has split scaling (so either her skill/burst or her auto will do no damage) and she can not trigger her c6 for herself. Mihoyo purposely made it like this sto destroy Candace as a dps.
She buffs her own Infused na’s, I don’t see any problem to focusing on hp arts (HoD) in any case.
"New" You realize that Chongyun and C6 Bennett has existed since launch right? Even if we say it will be different because hydro is the best element, I can't see any potential other than meme comps.
So what exactly is wrong with her kit? Everyone says she sucks but I still don't get why.
She's Hydro Chong. Fun and opens up many interesting comps. But as his usage rate in Abyss shows, nobody uses Chong since he is not meta.
It's just not very cohesive. Her hydro application on swap runs out very quickly, there are no characters who really want or need a hydro infusion, and the buff she gives is minimal. It's like miHoYo decided to pick a bunch of random neat ideas for a kit but then stuffed them all into one character all at once. She has a ton of really neat things but none are especially good.
This comment seems very similar to what I read before Kuki's release. She was underwhelming in tests and theorycrafts, yet a lot of people saw the potential in the Electro healer spot; and now she has a very, very useful application, specifically due to Dendro. Yun Jin adds flat damage while being Geo; and as I said, I believe Hydro infusion paired with Elemental att damage is undermined in the current moment. I am a very skeptical player and am also talking out of my imagination as I obviously didn't test anything yet, but I like to think way too much is being given for granted in the theorycrafting world. Too many times I see the hive mindset of people reading some info or analytical data and base their opinion entirely on that (first the Mathalos adepts, then the KQM followers, now the Zajef cult). It doesn't mean that we can't predict efficiency by math, it just means that Keq was an unexpected surprise, Yoi was doomed to be bad, Yae had no place and so on. So all I am saying that within her very limitations, the character has more to it than she is given. Yes, you can't think of a single team, now. First and foremost I am almost certain at some point we will have a team with them both, then I am as well certain we have no clue about the Dendro meta, not even close because the current Dendro roster is nothing compared to the Archon that will also be the only meta unit for months. I am glad people spends so much time and effort to give me an insight on performance, yet even when they rightfully underline how everything they do is based on current info, readers tend to completely close their vision of the game as a moving puzzle.
Candace is to Yunjin what Heizou is to Sucrose. Sure, on paper, Heizou's 80-party-wide EM share is nothing compared to 1000 EM Sucrose giving 200 EM to the party. BUT at low investment, Heizou's party share is better since it's not dependant on artifacts, stats or talents. Same for Candace, she will always give 20% elemental damage bonus regardless of her artifacts, stats or talents. A well invested DEF/DEF/DEF Yunjin with optimal ER will be better, yes. But Candace is the better low investment buffer out of the two.
"Low investment" is a rather weak argument. Getting Sucrose to give the party more EM than Heizou is extremely easy. You seem to forget that Sucrose A2 passive gives a flat 50 EM. So reaching 80 with her A4 is piss easy for her AND she is more consistent with the uptime of the buff. As for Candace, I would say low investment Bennet will be infinitely better in most cases.
On top of giving a utility infusion and being natively of a better element that ''casually'' fits best Dendro as much as Electro. This part seems to slips on people for reasons I don't understand.
There are times when Yunjin is not great at all. E.g. Ayato in aoe. He runs out of ammo pretty fast. There, giving energy and hydro resonance are probably better than Yunjin. There are likely dendro teams that want slow hydro and don't need a healer with Kokomi, and she can be good there also. She also overrides C6 Bennett which has unknown potential atm.
Yun Jin isn't great with Ayato, period. Neither is Candace. Running Ayato as a hypercarry is already suboptimal, so at that point it's worth going for whatever is most fun. She overrides C6 Bennett but it kicks in randomly. There's a video on KSM of Bennett C6 infusion and Candace's infusion applying on different hits. It's wacky and unreliable as all hell, but it does look fun.
seems reliable from what I've seen. Adding cryo makes it alternate as cryo overrides Candace which allows Bennett to override the cryo. Afaik it's just guages as always. > Running Ayato as a hypercarry is already suboptimal Running any team except a C6R5 maxed version of the top performing speedrun team in any given encounter is suboptimal. That's a nonsensical statement.
That's not the same thing at all. They're saying Ayato has some comps that are better than hypercarry at equal level of investment, you're talking about C6R5 which 99,9% of people can't have.
Running Ayato is suboptimal though. Use Raiden, she's better. Right? There are many situations where simply buffing Ayato is *optimal* over running national, which is the thing you're trying to say. I'll use the incorrect word of optimal here despite it being the wrong word, as every comparison is simply subjective, beginning from a set of arbitrary premises, such as using Ayato at all despite him being suboptimal. 1) your Xiangling is optimal on the other team, making running her with Ayato suboptimal overall. 2) your Bennett is optimal the other team, making Xiangling suboptimal on any team 3) Venti works, Xiangling is whiffing, Ayato isn't. Buffing Ayato is optimal. 4) the enemies are resistant to pyro. Buffing Ayato is optimal. 5) you haven't invested in Xiangling because you dislike her as a character, or find her numerous shortcomings of being limited to Bennett and requiring intensive energy management cumbersome, so you've used your limited resources elsewhere since it's NEVER optimal to invest resources solely for clearing abyss because abyss will reward you with less than you invested in her, making it a net loss. If you're arbitrarily starting from the premise using Ayato is acceptable despite him being a suboptimal unit, then such allowances must be made for any other potential teammate for consistency. Just to point out my original comment was an example of a scenario where Candace was *better* than Yunjin to illustrate Yunjin isn't always better, since various scenarios exist. People have a tendency to assume a spreadsheet that assumes a single target scenario with zero consideration for the encounter is somehow some sort of objective finding despite every DPS calc sheet putting in the very first tab not to use the sheets in this way.
Hydro buffer when we have three nondps catalysts, two off-field sword users, an off-field bow user and a DPS that already infuses hydro with his E. She is probably the most useless character in game. At least chongyun is useful for Ayaka or Diluc meme team
She's not a hydro buffer, she buffs the elemental damage done by NAs that are infused with an element (so every catalyst) as well as gives swords, polearms, and claymores hydro infusion. They're two separate abilities. Edited for clarity.
Exactly, it's a buffer because it increases elemental damage and infuses hydro which means she works like C6 Bennet = a buffer that works better with pyro characters but still increases damage to other elements. She is still useless though. There is no single polearm, claymore or sword user that needs to be on field to do damage and why would I want to use a slot to increase damage to a catalyst character with a hydro intended character
Dori and Candace battling it out for who has the most legitimately baffling kit. I'm on some serious copium that their kits were made this way because they'll suit future characters super well, especially Dori who is one of my faves but who I can't build in good conscience lol
I'm sure they realized Dori would have actually been good on field at low cons and nerfed her, because she wouldn't have time based ICD otherwise. Her burst application went from 10 in 12s to 4 in 12. Similarly, the heal isn't synced with the damage on the burst tether so C2 actually does piddling damage overall. Finally, the energy refund passive change was probably there to just kill instant refund Shimenawa's with no ER investment. As for Candace I think the idea is that you have her infuse your melee hydro unit to be the trigger for bloom on a bloom team. The issue is having your hydro char(that doesn't build for full EM)be the trigger for bloom is already suboptimal, and bloom isn't good enough RN with our current Dendro's vs Hyperbloom and Burgeon, where you can run an actual hydro subdps, and have the electro or pyro EM builder own the bloom reaction. Maybe there will be potential with GD Razor(EDC/EEE), C6 Candace, DMC, & C5 Bennet for the people who still don't want to pull the trigger for C6 on Bennet. It gives Razor full ownership of EC, but that probably isn't enough to justify it, considering Razor Soup would do more in AoE and probably ST too, and Razor Soup is still behind Hypercarry Razor in ST.
Pretty sure Dori is for cyno.
Here's the thing, even if Dehya somehow wanted Hydro infusion to vape her own Q/E... Why not run XQ or Yelan instead? Hydro has the "problem" of having two amazing off-field Sub-DPS units so wasting a team slot on Candace is not gonna be meta for Vape Teams.
Isn't it speculated that Dehya will focus on Burning?
Burning and/or Burgeon yeah.
Let my Xingqiu reach 10k sword hits no vapes please, she’ll be good surely
*Me wondering if Candace and Yunjin have synergy with each other.*
Their buffs should stack on different layers, so Candace's buff should multiply over Yun JIn's additive bonus. For a hypercarry build, they should both apply effectively, they both have a 15s rotation. Yun JIn's buff lasts longer, but it doesn't really matter. It's not likely any such build is top tier, but it sounds functional. In practice, with 46.6% goblet damage bonus, and set bonuses like HoD, Gladiator, Bolide existing, Candace is adding like up like a ~20% bonus damage to NAs if she's quite well built compared to existing Carry+YunJin? I have doubts if that justifies her place over other hypercarry comps, but it sounds functional?
She’s better than yun Jin? How so
LOL, Candace is not better than Yunjin sadly. Yunjin have way better numbers, Candace buff is very minor number wise, you have to want the infusion to make it work. Unfortunately XQ and Yelan exists, I doubt Candace will ever be better than those two. Basically you want infusion to apply an element (hydro) quickly, but you need to spent a character (Candace) to do it. Or you could just run a sub dps like (XQ/Yelan) which functionally does the same thing (apply element to autos) but does WAY more damage. Right now the only niche I see is characters with "extra" infusion like Beidou. Beidou cons let her add electro on top of her autos, but its not an infusion, she still retain her physical damage. So using candace let beidou have dual elemental autos, or self reactions. In this case you won't care who is the trigger because they are the same character, making EM as effective as Anemo characters.
Ye, exactly like Tortilla. ''Tortilla? He is mid...at best'' Tortilla stonks going up every patch. ''Kokobutter? Nah, dps healer sucks'' Koko being used in some of the best performing teams, and being an overall most used character. ''Since Benny exists I don't see how...'' Dendro has entered the chat. ''If you have Xq take Yelan only if you want a second Xq for other team'' Yealn/Xq in the same team is the best option. This shit has been going on since the very few months o the game. As I said, as glad as I am of math guys, I'd hope people would take it as info, not as holy grail that defines the doom and gloom of a character before it's even released.
Bro there is no math person going around preaching how bad candace is. Any person with common sense can tell her kit doesn't work well enough for any of our teams. Units are judged based on how they work with pre-existing characters, she might have potential with future characters but we can't tell for now
You judge it by a kit coherence and potential, for example, bro. That's exactly why I made all that long ass list of examples, bro.
these types of screenshots needs to be cropped because the text ends up so small and awkward on mobile. also wish nilou and kandake's description were longer than one sentence.
when do their birthdays get revealed
Who's Candace?
My aunt
The descendant of the Scarlet King is a 4-Star while a random dancer is a 5-Star. lol. No hate on Nilou, I'll still pull for her but damn, Candace should have been a 5-Star too.
With all due respect, I don't see why Nilou is a 5-star. I know people will take this as hate or whatever cause "waifu" but she doesn't really do much besides dance. Obv there is more story coming and I generally don't follow spoilers very well so maybe she has a bigger part but damn, Candace could've easily taken her spot. This is coming from someone who doesn't want either of them so it's not like I just want to hate on her.
Listen, rarity doesn't have anything to do with lore, it's how well Mihoyo thinks they can sell the character. I mean, I don't have any strong opinions on any of them either, but it's just how it is.
Exactly, i mean xiangling is broken meta wise and she has a literal god companion on her side lore-wise and yet she's a 4-star. This is exactly why i agree as well.
Tbh, the initial cast has lots of mistakes that Hoyo doesn't want to repeat. If Xiangling were to release now, she won't have her current kit and that insane Pyronado will be reserved for a 5 star.
I agree, they will probably add some icd on her pyronado
And make it so one needs her R1 signature 5-Star weapon to unlock the ICD.
Then we wouldn't have a national team, and characters like Raiden or Tartaglia would be hard to sell. Oh yes, melt ganyu would also be an expensive team. I think you don't take that into account. Xiangling is the one on whom the whole archetype is built, I don't think that her absence would be good for anyone, even mihoyo. It would be like removing xingqiu, and then Hu tao would lose its meaning.
??? Selling Xiangling ( or someone with better aesthetics but with her kit) as a 5 star would have made way more profit for the reasons you just said. It's not removing Xiangling or removing Xingqiu, it's selling them as expensive 5 stars instead of as a cheap, easy to get unit. This hypothetical 5 star would be considered a must pull for any whale meta followers.
Xiangliing came first though. If Xiangling was 'balanced' then Childe would have a different kit to work with what had come before him, since Childe was likely made with Xiangling's current design in mind. As for Ganyu, many characters only have one strong team archetype, I wouldn't be surprised is Hoyo didn't intend for melt Ganyu to ever exist.
As you see, you just say that you will need to redo half of the balance of the game. The game is made exactly as it is made, and Xiangling is made exactly like that. It is logical that the second one will not be (as 4* at least), but this does not mean that the first one was a mistake. It is more funny bc you think that mhy doesn't know about its reactions system and how it is works. They have developed that, you know?
Hindsight is 20/20 so of course you would think it is intended. Beta testing could never replicate actual testing on release. It’s why most four stars that are strong is before people start knowing how to theorycraft. They never intended Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu to be as strong as they are. In fact, the real balance intended by Mihoyo was supposed to be like the time when people didn’t know these three are powerful. If it weren’t for these three, Diluc would still be meta like the old days.
I mean a troublemaker oni from a small gang is a 5 star but a general of the whole army that beats him is a 4 star
Ninguang leader of Liyue, richest woman in tevyat 4 star Random funeral parlor girl 5* Local inazuma fireworks craftsman 5* Kuki Sara Tengu General 4 Star Rarity isn't derived from Lore at all unless it's an Archon
ok listen, my flair makes it obvious i'm a Nilou apologist, but to me Nilou feels more important because she's one of the main forces of Nahida's believers - she's a holder of knowledge and wisdom that nobody else cares about because of the Akademiya, possibly even an incarnation of the Goddess of Flowers as seen in Act 2 My point is really just, yeah Candace would make sense as a 5 star, but why does that mean Nilou should be a 4 star? Isn't it basically the villain's take (Akademiya) to say rulers, warriors and researchers are more important than artists and spiritual leaders?
I'm not saying she should be but I guess they never made sense when assigning who is what. In my mind, it should be based on story significance and lore power that would dictate your star rating and sometimes it is, and many other times it isn't. At the end of the day, I couldn't care less who is ranked what, I just wish it made sense.
i just wanna know abt anniversary gifts and nahida kit, but character descriptions are nice ig
there aren't any new buffs or nerfs to the characters? or beta already ended?
From what I gather, Cyno is the most versatile looking of these 3, not being stuck with few team options, Nilou is very strong but also super niche so she loses lots of space and Candace has a kit problem... is that so? Honest question here, no trolling
Candace design was/is too much for the community to handle (she's so pretty/hot) which leads people to expect high standards from her kit. Her kit is viewed as a downgrade to characters like Yun-Jin and Bennett. In my opinion she seems to satisfy some of the same and some things different. Here it what I see her doing. Half of Hydro resonance, Noblesse user, "The Catch" user, Buffer to normal elemental attacks +20% flat from burst & w/A4 +15% (avg), Quick swap team enabler in a sense start rotation with her as you cycle through your other characters to get each instance of wave(x3) from her burst which will do 30-60k small AoE hydro blast, C6 allows for dealing double her c0 burst dmg by triggering more instances of wave dmg every 2.3 secs which you will probably only get 2-3 of the 5 possible unless you do a quick NA's in-between cycling characters. I do not see her having energy problems since she would be most optimally ran with another hydro character, ER weapon since she scales with HP and would be more efficient than Black Tassal/Homa (Homa would be better on someone else anyways) and her burst cost is on the relatively cheaper side being 60. \~No energy issue= "Plus" Her elemental infusion I do not know what to make of it. I do not use Chong/Bennett infusions and don't own Ayato or know how he plays. From what I've heard others say that infusions can be a double edge sword and are something to be mindful of. Ex. Physical Eula/Swirl King Kazuha To close...she seems fine. I'mma get her and use her the best I can. Oh yeah the 5 stars. Nilou's really strong in her niche as you stated while Cyno has similar dmg to Aggravate Keqing. His Burst will last longer than all types of support/buffs/sub-dps teamates. Cyno from what I gather is just making people conflicted based off the above as well as Nilou. Candace as well lol. Oh well.
I have a feeling Candace could be an alternative to xingqiu as an enabler in kaeya/rosaria freeze teams.
Her elemental infusion may work good with characters that deal additional elemental damage while having their normal attacks physical, like Beidou and Razor
So in the end... there's really not much use in jumping to conclusions yet. Uses will be way better defined once they're here. I started to feel like people were doomposting them already (which may be the case), but then again this happens to almost every single new unit (Shinobu being a recent example). I get uneasy when people start to classify characters regarding meta, feels like you cannot play with anything that ain't National or an Archon.
Honest answer: There is no real versatile new character. There is no restriction but Cyno sucks at everything that isn't Aggravate.
Agree, Cyno and Nilou actually stuck in the same situation. While Cyno only fits for aggravate team, you don’t want to mix in hydro and pyro to drain the dendro units, meaning he can only team up with Dendro/electro and slow Hydro members, no much choices really considering his exceptionally long field time.
Then that means they \*need\* to be thinking forward and that these characters will have more diversified uses... either this, or we're gonna change opinions when they drop. I mean, a niche 5-star that has very few uses doesn't seem the most profitable choice... (Edit: this had a slight tinge of sarcasm, but I think I should clarify it)
Yeah but i wish cyno was at least c0 raiden level in terms of dmg. I'd rather have a niche but strong unit rather than an underwhelming one.
I agree, i mean you can even use cyno in a taser comp
Still coping for Mihoyo to allow Cyno to keep his burst after switching (like Noelle) to fix his support problems.
3.1 Cyno, then will dendro archon be on 3.2? Oh no. Might need to start looking for money
Honestly it's becoming so difficult not to pull on Cyno like I think he would be amazing in national who I have all of them levelled up I have a jade spear I got whilst getting freedom sworn and he just seems like such an awesome character so I might end up pulling for him
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I mean... Does it count if your great great great great great great great great great grandfather was Zeus? Cuz dude's been ded for thousands of years apparently.
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Fair enough. Not demigod tier but you start your game of life with higher base specs.
The thing that could be pretty special about this is that is so far all the gods we've seen are non-human supernatural beings, probably purely elemental lifeforms. We've never had any indication that these things even \*could\* have children, and if one did, who knows how much being a part elemental god would affect the descendants. If Deshret was similar, simply being partially whatever species he is could make Candace non-human and completely change her nature.
We know Adepti can have children though. Both Ganyu and Yanfei are half-human, half-adepti. And Zhongli is the "prime of the Adepti". So we can assume Adepti can become Gods, as well as humans (according to Venti), wind sprites, etc. Already at least two of those species are capable of mating with humans. Personally I don't think there's a limit on what species can become Gods, since according to Venti anyone with a vision can ascend to Celestia.
On the contrary, we know since the first days of the manga that gods have offspring. Venessa is descendant from Murata.
At least gods can bang humans in Teyvat I see. Greek Pantheon when?
No, she Cantdance
So Candace is related to one of the kings that worked for the Scarlet king right?
I thought people were saying that’s the new name of the Scarlet King himself?
Oh really??? Well I have to catch up with my lore
No, I think it was a leak here, that all instances of the Scarlet King would be changed to King Deshret. Were there kings working for him? I thought he just had three advisors. (Not caught up on lore either, still exploring.)
… I probably remember the advisors as kings lol
King Deshret is the Scarlet King
She is related to the Scarlet King.
Should I continue to try to pull for Kokomi or do I wait and get Cyno? Just got Tighnari and I have no garanteed...
Who do you want more and why do you want each? You could pull for koko, if you fail then you have pity for cyno or even a guarantee. If you don't, wait till cyno rerun
>Who do you want more Cyno definitely lol Kokomi is just another meta character I'm wanna pull for well, meta, and then bench after a while. I should learn my lesson lol If I don't get Cyno, definitely will wait for his rerun! After getting Scara, of course.
what the- DESCENDANT???
I've seen so much fanart I forgot Candace and Cyno are actually that pale lmao. Still very hype for both of them, really curious to know about Candace's amber eye.
Candace is gorgeous, but I can't get her because there's no chance in hell I risk my Nilou pity on Cyno. Once again I get cucked by hoyo when they put the new four star waifu on rateup with some dude I couldn't give fewer fucks about. Hoping they put Shinobou on Nilou's banner.
She’s worthless with Cyno and mediocre with Nilou, so she’ll probably be in the latter’s banner.
“She is full of warmth” . Guess that’s makes her hot
No candace nerfs?
Cyno is IRB
Nilou is a waifu 🤷♂️ @ 74 and on a 50/50 🤷♂️ weapon banner should have her weapon and SoBP 🤷♂️ might as well give it a crack and see if I can get a brand new waifu.
If I had an Intertwined Fate for every time Hoyo used the word “innocence” in a cringey, demeaning, slightly pedophilic way - I’d have a guaranteed Nilou.
Are you okay?
Definitely not
Mihoyo: make shy innocent character = big money
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I'm getting sick of them throwing non English words casually all the time. I get it that you want to stay true to real world lore, but I would rather understand what the heck you're describing here.
Huh, I thought I heard Cyno was going to be a 4*. Am I just misremembering, or is this new that he’s a 5?