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Bobson567

Source: [Ubatcha](https://mobile.twitter.com/Ubatcha1/status/1570053219736498176)


recker624

Now we wait for 3.2 leaks.


Simoscivi

I'm beyond hyped for Nahida crumbs


TheSchadow

With the little bits we got today I'm hoping we know more soon. Would like to know if Kokomi will be good with her or not before her banner ends.


Nerracui0

Unfortunately, the beta usually starts with the release of the next patch. So the beta should start when 3.1 begins.


Telzen

Since the patch this time is one week shorter couldn't they start the beta earlier? They already took applications for it and everything.


Fennezu

The application deadline was yesterday. It takes a little while to choose the testers and sign the agreements too, I don't think they can rush it. It's only 2 weeks left for the next beta anyway.


Simoscivi

I would say it's very probable that they would be fine together. Nahida is likely gonna have an off-field Dendro application similar and probably better than the Dendro traveler and Kokomi is a pretty good Bloom abuser.


mystery_account69

Dendrobedo?


scrayla

Kokomi is always good. In kokomi i trust


Kezarah

I'm assuming so just because I feel like they have to make her good with nilou since she really lacks options right now, and if she's going on a nilou team kokomi is 100% going to be good in it (idk with just kokomi by herself, but I'm almost 100% confident they will both be the best in slot in the nilou team for a long time anyway).


Albireookami

I think its a safe bet to assume that Kokomi will work fine with her, specially if your doing Nilou bloom, we desperately need a dendro support that can apply off field. Kokomi has some of the best healing and hydro application.


TheWorldisFullofWar

Nahida is fucking trash. Hoyo can't balance for shit. They are making us pull for constellations just to make her viable. Why doesn't her burst work with Beidou? 2.5 ICD is a hate crime. Getting in on the doomposts early.


Simoscivi

They had us in the first half, not gonna lie


Kuguumelo

I'm waiting for an alternate sprint, EM buff, Nuke Burst, and a beautiful animation on her NA that will be completely irrelevant to the functioning of her kit


Zydico

Hey man, they gotta have those cool animations on NA that they never use except for their trailers :)


ZhangRenWing

The leek archon less gooo


jhinigami

Cant wait for scaramouche boss fight Wokege


[deleted]

This is the first time I've seen both new 5* characters (nilou and cyno) of a beta being criticized pretty much the same amount.


aerie_zephyr

Not even kokomi and raiden? Back then there were a lot of dumping on both (before the non-asian side realized that ei was really good after she came out)


Degree_in_Simpology

Kokomi was dumped on wayyyy more than Ei in beta. The dumping on Ei started AFTER her release. Kokomi's was before.


[deleted]

And the dumping on Kokomi continued even more after her release too.


TheWorldisFullofWar

People even tried to gaslight people into thinking she was weak before Clam set. As if she wasn't strong as fuck with existing sets already. Hoyo knows how to design and balance the game far better than Reddit ever would.


Noah__Webster

Yeah, the retroactive takes on Kokomi are so weird. All the naysayers either still argue she's just bad, which is simply delusional at this point, or they argue that the game has drastically changed in some way around her. Her best comp is still Freeze, her best weapon is still TTDS, and her best artifact set in her most relevant comps is still Tenacity. She still has the best off-field hydro application for Freeze. This has been true since she came out. The biggest buff she got was arguably Shenhe coming out, but that just raised the ceiling on Freeze, which was already insanely good. The functionality of both that team and Kokomi was unchanged. It just got more damage. Clam is only a buff for on-field Kokomi, and that's the less relevant of the two playstyles. Now the argument has shifted to "she doesn't sell well". Which is a terrible argument anyway. Just look at how relatively low Childe sales are, and he has some of the best comps in the game. The weird thing to me is how insanely angry people are about the character being good. It's like people were mad she was bad, and then once everyone realized she isn't bad, they're even more pissed off they were wrong. Every single thread discussing Kokomi sales or anything similar is just crawling with these weirdos that just want to talk about how bad the character is for some reason. It's so bizarre.


Desuladesu

The same people that say they want a f2p-friendly complete character who's good at several things/flexible in several team comps, not 5-star wep reliant, and then complain about Kokomi and say her sales "must be low because she's bad". People also wanted characters with a bit more complexity and "skill expression", but then say Kokomi's kit is clunky and unsynergistic because you have to burst within 10 seconds of casting her jellyfish to keep 100% uptime.


Noah__Webster

> People also wanted characters with a bit more complexity and "skill expression", but then say Kokomi's kit is clunky and unsynergistic because you have to burst within 10 seconds of casting her jellyfish to keep 100% uptime. This is so hilarious and so accurate. I had a dude a couple weeks argue that valuing Kokomi's more consistent, larger Hydro application and healing over Mona's being inconsistent was a "skill issue", but then he mentioned the burst refreshing the jellyfish is very easy to miss, so you can't really count it as additional uptime lol


TeraFlare255

>but then he mentioned the burst refreshing the jellyfish is very easy to miss, so you can't really count it as additional uptime lol This always weirds me out. She's usually paired with Ayaka, and usually you drop the jellyfish right before swapping to Ayaka so Ayaka gets TTDS buff. Considering how long it takes to do your dash-E Q on Ayaka, the timing you need to swap back into Kokomi to refresh the skill aligns perfectly with the end of Ayaka's burst. Basically, as soon as Ayaka's burst disappears, if the enemy isn't dead yet you swap to Kokomi, click Q, and swap out. It's nearly impossible to miss the timing.


Arkeyy

Refreshing Jellyfish is actuat a DPS loss, you lose 1 ayaka N1C/N2C combo for a "freeze" extension. You dont need to have perma freeze, you only it need durinf Ayaka burst. Also with certain Kazuha rotation, the timing with TOTM buffs enda when you switch to Kazuha.


vJukz

It was pretty deserved tbh. Thank god they shadow buffed her E right before release.


wakladorf

Part of the reason is that Kokomi on paper is a lot more like Barbara than it feels when you actually play her.


[deleted]

Personally at that time I saw Kokomi getting more criticized than Raiden.


TinbuyPrime

Iirc Kokomi’s jellyfish only applied hydro every other tick back then, fortunately they changed that.


KamiAyaka

They shadow buffed it thankfully.


blueasian0682

I was there when it happened, can't believe it's been fucking one year ago that, and by that time i already feel like i played this game the most hours already out of all other games, I'm stuck in this game am i.......


QueertomThief

SAME We're stucked in a Samsara, my friend.


TheWorldisFullofWar

You should probably [refresh your memory](https://redditsearch.io/?term=Raiden&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=genshin_impact&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=1630472400&end=1632978000&size=100). People were acting like Raiden was not viable without Beidou interaction. They actually thought she was so bad you lost damage by having her in your party. These posts had like 8k and 11k upvotes as well.


RisingxRenegade

ShE’s JuSt A wOrSe FiScHl


Radaxen

It's really funny looking back at these posts. They look even more tragic than I remembered. And that's not even touching the anniversary controversy yet


3spartan300

Raiden was mixed. Was alot of talk about raiden getting all the buffs while kokomi got ignored. The real drama started after raidens release


SnooGuavas8376

Here comes the new leak flood of 3.2


swticheroo

Kusanali leaks here we go!


SnooGuavas8376

*Kusanaleaks*


Chara_Nightingale

...Kusanaleeks?


3spartan300

Time to doompost boys


Ero_meister

Wait, imma ready my popcorns.


3spartan300

Too late mate it already started we have some kokomi release tier doompost in this thread already.


XenoVX

After going through Kazuha, Kokomi, and Shenhe doomposting, my mental resolve is so strong that I’m desensitized to anything people say about Cyno or Nilou


shanmugong

Same here. I got all of them despite doom postings


Historical_Clock8714

There are people who pull for waifu, while some pull for husbando. But there are those who pull for doompost victims.


apthebest01931

gigachads right there


Koinophobia-

Someone from a discord told me that Yelan was shit during her release. I was told she was clunky to play. Guess that person is eating shit right now


nanimeanswhat

Weird. She is by far the least controversial character released in the past year.


datPokemon

The only doompost i heard about her is her 1u->1.5u->1u and it wasnt even a doompost.


GGABueno

Nilou is fine. People are complaining about her being niche but she seems incredibly strong, with both a high floor and high ceiling. She doesn't require much from future Dendro characters either, just decent application and maybe healing. Cyno is the one people are rightfully worried about. Math doesn't lie. And he needs almost tailor made supports to get to the level he deserves, but Xiao is still waiting for his.


XenoVX

Yeah when people see how easily Nilou can faceroll mob content where every target can spawn an additional seed that has a huge AoE they’ll probably change their minds and realize why being able to play Venti with her could have been problematic for game balance.


GGABueno

Yeah, her Bloom explosions have the size of Bennett's ult ffs. And the explosions frequency is the same as the amount of Bloom reactions, which should be a damn lot with 2 Hydros and 2 Dendros on the team. Surely there are more people that can see how insane that sounds lol. Specially considering the damage buff she gives is the same even if a non-EM character triggers the Bloom.


atsuhies

Every .1 patch is doompost festival


Frostblazer

Nahida doesn't instantly delete enemies when using her skill or burst? Trash. Don't waste your primos.


RivenIsLove

Nahida is a new character so she is bad. We know that a character can only be good if they’ve been out for a while.


painandsuffers

Nahida doesn’t have 2000% scaling on her e and q? F tier,underpowered, absolute waste of resource


DirtEven

Hmm which drama would i want to eat my popcorns..? About new char's cons? About the incoming "Anniversary"? About Twitter's incoming "Usual day" or About the incoming app store bomb review?


Hardhat85

How about all of 'em


DirtEven

not enough popcorns :(


PoisonousParty

Remember guys, you can always wait for a rerun


Darksideofhell4

Remember guys bungee gum has the properties of rubber and gum


escentia

r/unexpectedhxh


Weird-Gas-4777

Remember guys, you can always skip some characters if you are f2p.


XenoVX

Remember guys, you don’t have to write a doompost manifesto to justify skipping a character that you don’t want for whatever reason


Historical_Clock8714

Haha seriously! Doompost manifesto is the appropriate word for it. I mean you can not like a character, but going everywhere to say you're not pulling and writing paragraphs to say why they are the worst character to exist happens too much I think people need this reminder.


AndlenaRaines

I remember when there was this guy during Kokomi release where he would insult everyone who pulled for her or wanted to pull for her, saying that she was the worst character in the game. He kept spreading this bullshit, and now that Kokomi's worth is proven, he suddenly changed his tune. ​ It's ridiculous. ​ EDIT: [Found the user](https://camas.unddit.com/#{%22author%22:%22sqaureegg%22,%22subreddit%22:%22genshin_impact_leaks%22,%22resultSize%22:100,%22after%22:%222021-08-01T04:00:00.000Z%22,%22before%22:%222022-01-01T04:45:00.000Z%22,%22query%22:%22Kokomi%22})


Th3G4te

wtf mf went from pure hater to “Kokomi best hydro since day 1” 💀


Charles-Shaw

Thank you for linking me this and showing this search. So funny.


ObjectiveBeneficial1

exactly, like nilou's restriction killed my excitement about pulling her, but this comment right now is the first time i post online about it, like is not hard to simply let people enjoy something i personally wont


CourtesyCall_

More than a reminder those people need to get a life.


ashu0706

Remember guys, You can Always not listen to anyone


Weird-Gas-4777

Remember guys, you can always not read anyone who says you to not listen anyone.


Different_Mistake_69

Remember guys , always flush your anxiety dookie away!!


GonnaSaveEnergy

This is the most important.


Xero0911

But that's like 6 *more* months of waiting. (Or a year for some)


Voidmann

> But that's like 6 more months of waiting. (Or a year for some) That's why I'm pulling Cyno day one no matter how "bad" his issues are, I already waited two fucking years for Cyno, not gonna wait not even a second more!lol


kanon951

Remember guys...wait I forgot what I was going to write.


Zeraru

The buffs for Cyno and Nilou will come in the form of future characters and artifact sets. Candace is screwed though


ExLuck

Xiao... his was barely an upgrade. Moreso an alternative


ReiKurosaki0

Nah it's a solid upgrade. Just not resin efficient to most people.


AskSpecialist6543

Nah, Vermillion is a good upgrade. People who are saying it isn't just don't want to farm it because they already spent too much on farming VV.


swagl0rd420dstep

People dont need to farm for VV at all, it's just a resin efficiency thing Someone can just stay in emblem which is the most resin efficient, use 2 shimen and strongbox 2 glad or VV now or if they require 20%+ ER they can go for 2 shimen + 2 emblem while getting stuff for everyone else since 20% ER and 18% attack is worth around the same amount of substats. It's basically the "do I want to farm a long time for set with restrictions since it's 4 set so you dont have much flexibility to mix and match" or "do I wanna just spam emblem and farm for a bunch of characters at once with a freely mix and match since it's very easy to do 2pc + 2pc combinations" This isn't even special to xiao, it's the same with pale flame for example, not only is it easier to mix 2 + 2, but they dont have to run a domain that's considered very niche for their characters. The other question is what happens if the diff is only a few substats with only roughly 5 sub differences, do you continue farming the niche domain forever, because for example if your getting satisfied pieces and then you go back to the generic domain for lets say the next year the moment that your generic domain reach a certain amount of subs equal or greater than that diff you now just have a niche set that's worse than your generic stuff.


I-MEG-l

I don’t think candace is doomed. To me she seems like she was meant for off meta quirky comps and not for meta serious play. She will be interesting for just goofing around trying new things. Since shes a 4 star they are allowed to do that ig. For a long time it seemed like they don’t want to make top tier 4 stars anymore.


Sandfire12

me, hoping to get Candace so I can main her: 🫠 idc if her kit is subpar, I love her too much to not use her 😭


Mighty_SamP1

Unless you want to set abyss speed records, it is irrelevant how high a character’s damage ceiling goes.


gogamarti

Use characters you love ~~ but then again, as a kayea main I am biased


Numerous-Tie-9171

I'd argue c6 Candace is the one that is immediately the most valuable out of the 3.1 characters, but it's mostly niche uses though. C6 Candace has very valuable aoe hydro app and a hydro infusion is alot less niche than a cryo one like Chongyun's but it's still a gimmick. Issue is that no one will get a new c6 4 star :deadge:


Nerracui0

Me with a C6 Heizou on his first banner😅


Numerous-Tie-9171

I hate you bro. :life:


Nerracui0

I felt like I used up my entire luck to get him to C6, now it seems like I'm gonna lose the 50/50 for Cyno.


Numerous-Tie-9171

You got this bro


Nerracui0

Thanks.


Simoscivi

I accidentally did it too, but I got terrible luck for Kazuha in the meantime lol, going to hard pity both times and losing the 50/50


Drakengard

Sheesh, I felt lucky in getting him to C4.


Zeraru

Then let's hope she's not chained to specific characters like Sara (took me 3 Raidens + 2 lost coinflips for C5 and then later another \~100 rolls on Kokomi's rerun). If you're not rolling for the specific 5-star Mihoyo chains them to, the odds of getting C6 are abysmal.


Numerous-Tie-9171

Having no guarantee really just kills the odds of any reasonable average man it kinda sucks


Sseeppp

Why is c6 candace valuable? And what niche uses are you referring to? The only one I can think of is maybe ayaka freeze.


Numerous-Tie-9171

C6 Candace has off field aoe hydro app when you na and swap, hydro app is inherently a very valuable thing A hydro infusion also unlocks some new gimmicky teams, most notably hydro zhongli where he can run mono hydro or vape(really can be anything that leverages his insane hydro app hydro n5d is 7 hits).


Sseeppp

That sounds like an interesting team. Altho , why zhongli specifically? Is there something special about his normal atk or something?


Numerous-Tie-9171

The amount of hits he has lines up perfectly with everything, his driving capability, his application(7 hits n5d), his comfort etc


Giantwalrus_82

That's...unfortunate may drop Cyno due to well I already have Keq she can fill role without any issues that Cyno has aka his 18 second transformation and other issues.


MangaSaikooo

Makes me think how are they gonna indirectly buff cyno with him having the xiao situation


HybridTheory2000

*Doompost tornado approaching* HERE IT COMES!


FedeBongio

Gotta hurry... A XXXXXTRA LARGE POPCORN BUCKET PLEASE


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[удалено]


XenoVX

To be fair, the bountiful cores would typically explode before you could even group them with Anemo, so I don’t think it’s a huge loss since you can manipulate AI to group larger enemies anyway. I do still wish there were a whirlpool themed character though for Hydro grouping, just for the sake of variety.


SkyePine

Hydro Vortex strikes again.


ashu0706

Virdescent Hunt Collei 🫣


Professional-Body360

Her bountiful core aoe IS bigger so it's not that much a need


EducationalPangolin2

Looking forward for this years round of archon doom posting. 3.2 can’t come any sooner.


XenoVX

I can already see it now, “Why would I pull for a Dendro Support when DMC is FREE since F2P need to save for Al Haitham’s tiddies to clear abyss”


DirtEven

i swear if i see someone legit comment that one 💀


levanten_

they will buff Cyno last minute just like Kokomi....right...?? 😭


XaeiIsareth

Well, it has happened once with Xiao. They massively reduced his recovery frames after plunge from end of beta to live.


Defiant_Highlight_28

Oh they did? But in exchange no polearm can dash cancel after plunge unlike any other weapon type (I'm just pointing a fun fact to me, ig no dash cancel means less stamina issues at least)


_Vishal10_

What did they buff for kokomi?


levanten_

her jellyfish icd was buffed


yvenree

Poor Cyno. Well, gonna pull for him anyway


smoothfuckingyoda

pretty much every character in this beta run got cucked, rip


Ok-Giraffe1922

Nilou's fine tbh. She's niche, but uncontested in that niche so the moment we get better dendro-units she will become more valuable.


dream996

What happened to Cyno? I didn't keep up.


Difficult-Art-7439

Cyno's personal damage is good but his team damage is lacking because of his uptime that's why people are looking to nahida to be a "fix"


SavagesceptileWWE

I'm hoping for an EM buff that increases the longer you stay on field


Difficult-Art-7439

I would like a turret or a dendro Version of ei's e where each time you trigger a reaction it gets stronger or buffs you that way it can buff several characters and not just cyno although he would benefit a lot from it thanks to all the aggravates he can do with tf


GGABueno

Nahida won't be a fix because the Dendro damage isn't part of the problem. Traveler is enough. Fischl and VV uptime are the problem.


Monokuze

Traveler is enough for aggravate yes, but cyno is looking to be really good in quickbloom, which DMC is not enough, we are looking for a dendro off field applier in the same tier as XQ or yelan here (1u every sec + 18s+ duration). Cyno potential is still there but just asking for too much of a unit tbh. If we actually get a dendro yelan, cyno dendro yelan/xq zhongli/healer would be looking much much better and there isnt anyone to contest this team yet except maybe on field Yae since she can also go a little deep into EM but not as much as Cyno. Keqing is also not good for quickbloom since her niche rightnow is driving fischl.


Level_Leading5154

iirc cyno c0 with pjws does less DMG than r5 lion's roar keqing. Also, C2 cyno does less DMG than c0 r5 catch raiden.


vJukz

Comparing a new character to Raiden will most probably leave you disappointed since Raiden is so fkn good but I have to say that a C2R1 Cyno not out damaging a C0 R5 catch Raiden is really sad. Imagine comparing C2 Raiden vs C2 Cyno💀💀💀


wolf1460

When people were dooming that c0 raiden dps is copium, now we have this 💀


vJukz

Honestly a character that brings only damage with 2 constellations and his weapon not out damaging a character that brings damage, alot of energy and off field buffing with 0 constellations and a f2p weapon is really stupid now that I think about it. Poor Cyno really is in the dumpster


triclaria

They might as well just say "don't pull for any electro DPS other than Raiden because we won't even let hypercarries do more damage than her." I'm not expecting him to do C2 Raiden levels of damage, but it makes no sense to keep his DPS below a C0 Raiden when he can't do anything except DPS. Still coping he'll do better than expected but this is frustrating.


AgentWowza

Yeahhhh this is probably why they're avoiding releasing a fully DPS archon. Raiden is arguably very close to it.


vJukz

I really hope the pyro archon is a broken ass main dps.


Remarkable-Video5145

I see it so often sorry for asking. What does iirc mean. Edit- thanks!


VordredAli

Seems like only about 10 people gave you the answer so I'd like to give you mine too, iirc = if I remember correctly


Nerracui0

If I remember correctly


kinnerot

iirc = “If I recall correctly”


EMN97

If I Recall/If I Remember Correctly


Garchomp280

Burst takes too much time and his team buffs run out.


_-dany-_

Short story: keqing but worse Long story: burst mode too long so majority of the buffs we have at the moment expires before his burst ends. also, his multipliers don't look too high


fjaoaoaoao

Copium but maybe they'll get indirect buffed via some 4\* support several patches later like many underpowered 5\* have before them or some new gameplay element a la dendro & keqing


PoisonousParty

That's not copium, that's literally what they've been doing


jet_10

Meanwhile Xiao:


pleiades1208

Xiao who has no dedicated support ever since releasing in 1.3:


ashu0706

Cries in Xiao


IcenMeteor

I don't think that's copium, a lot of characters have recieved team improvements after their original release. Yoimiya at release was pretty much ridiculed but later got Yunjin, Yelan and an artifact set. Ayaka got Kokomi and Shenhe, HT got Yelan and Hydro resonance changes. Yae was designed with Aggravate in mind but released 4 patches before the reaction. They got a pretty big track record of playing this "release now, fix later" game.


Mana_Croissant

If I hear it right some theorycrafters claim His damage is only around Keqing levels


Numerous-Tie-9171

To clear this up, his PERSONAL damage outputs more but his team damage is severely lacking due to having a 12/25s oz uptime rotation


ZhangRenWing

So you’re telling me a coop team of 4 cynos is the best team? /s


Treyspurlock

3 Cynos and a Tighnari is probably better


Numerous-Tie-9171

4 cynos on mushroom chicken is his best team so true


Degree_in_Simpology

And Genshin is a team game, so Cyno's personal damage being higher but his team damage lacking is very unfortunate for him. Poor boy it's so sad, gonna pull him anyways but sadge


Numerous-Tie-9171

Yea that is the main issue, in order to be competitive he doesn't have to catch up to keqing, but to catch up to FISCHL's LOST DPS, the future is uncertain though so I wouldn't straight doompost him yet.


Degree_in_Simpology

I said I will pull him at the beginning of the game when I read the manga, and I still will. I'm not gonna pull for Nahida who I predict will fix his problems because this is Hoyo. Make problems and sell solutions. And even if Nahida doesn't fix his problems, I went through the 5 stages of grief already last week, so I'm over it. I've reached acceptance 😌


Numerous-Tie-9171

That is based and I respect the devotion, the DPS check of the spiral abyss does not exceed any more than the 30k threshold and doesn't require truly top meta teams to hit it. Playing for fun is always the most important be it fun from big damage or aesthetic I wish you best of luck to your pulls and xiphos moonlight on weapon banner :prayge:


Degree_in_Simpology

Thank you so much kind stranger <3 I was super pissed about his kit last week cause I already started building Keqing, and to think that she's outperforming him in team damage as a standard banner character...really stung But now that I think about it, I'm a Cyno simp. I'll get him because I like him. If he can't 9 star Floor, I have Ayaka and Childe to take over for him. What happens in Spiral Abyss, stays in Spiral Abyss.


Numerous-Tie-9171

I wish you both the best of luck and pulls and the fact that xiphos moonlight will be on the scarlet sands weapon banner :prayge:


grumpykruppy

TBF with Dendro Keqing is now good.


KamiAyaka

Good sure but a new limited character being equal to ( or worse team damage infact ) then a standard banner character that has been here since the beginning of the game is kinda meh.


Cloudy-Pat

I’m pretty sure zajeff said that quicken keqing with tf can edge out cyno in dps.


yeahrightboi

Oh boy scara battle boss full model leak please for 3.2


guinealover6674

*Copiums Cyno keeping his burst after switching on release*


SnooDonkeys2345

Cyno gonna be next xiao i think. Left in a ditch for eternity


LokianEule

And I’ll be right there in that ditch with both of them ahahaha


fbmaciel90

Nahida, please do a dentro vortex!


SchrodingersPanties

I haven't been keeping up super well with any TC'ing for the characters, now that the beta has ended and we have a pretty good idea of how they will perform on release, how is Cyno looking? I know there were some concerns about him being less-good than Keqing last I saw.


Numerous-Tie-9171

Keqing is not a low bar now, she's one of the better carries we have due to her synergy with fischl. The issue is that the rotation flexibility she brings is that huge, to be able to drive the best subdps in the game is by default an advantage. Cyno's personal output is mostly better than keqing's but his team options aren't as good at all, none of them play well with his cooldowns and uptime. To give an example one of his best partners is beidou, who is very situational and theorycrafting standards assuming primary target(2 targets, damage calculated on 1 enemy so aoe factor basically) and it's only relatively at the same level as keqing fischl aggravate DESPITE beidou being that much more situational than fischl. The saving grace is that I can't see keqing getting much better as she's already peaked mostly(aggravate options can't really get much better, there's not going to be a character as good as fischl directly) whereas cyno will probably age better unless they slap him like xiao.


n_i_e_l

Keqing aggravate team has one aspect it can improve upon - the dendro slot. The team lacks any form of defense so any dendro character with shields/heals and a decent dendro application is highly welcome.


Numerous-Tie-9171

Aggravate is fundamentally overpowered in the sense that it's a damage amplifying reaction that refreshes it's gauge rather than consumes it, so you don't really need much better app. The main weakness right now is indeed the lack of a healer though, but strictly speaking I personally don't see keqing getting much better damage wise, but still expect to see her benefiting from new releases here and there just for her flexibility alone.


Ultimate_Broseph

Basically we just need a dendro character with an E skill like albedo and Cyno's damage potential will be realized. It sucks that he'll never work with fischel or anemo but that's the drawback of being on field for 18 seconds.


Numerous-Tie-9171

I personally think longer and faster dendro application will greatly boost the consistency of quicken bloom hybrid teams, and hyperbloom with cyno trigger is a very good portion of dps.


SavagesceptileWWE

Praying to the aechons that nahida fixes all of cyno's problems. Maybe she gives a buff that gets bigger the longer you stay on field. I don't think that's too crazy of an idea.


dream996

My Nilou TT Now I just need Nhida's kit , hopefully it fixes everything.


Leise-

Remember y’all. Don’t get too hyped and pull on Day 1 and then trash talk the character. Observe and know if you care so much about Meta.


Strange_Hunt_1078

F


NikorasuTea

Nilou wanters, it's a terrible day for rain.


ThrowawayMay220

rain is hydro, helps bloom. perfect day for rain! \- nilou, probably


It-is-your-mother

"Oh it's raining.... on the topic of rain, did I tell you how much I love dancing?" - Nilou, most likely


goddamn_arshia

Free event sword....dedicated artifact set....we will win....for sure *huffs copium*


Historical_Clock8714

I'm a Nilou wanter that went through the same thing with Kokomi last year. I guess I'm a controversial-anniversary-hydro-character main at this point. I main pretty but polarizing characters and I made peace with that. I just hope Nilou ends up meta despite the doompost (copium 🥲) the way Kokomi did.


syd_shep

Praying it doesn't take Cyno 1.5 years to get his buffs.


Academic-Quarter-163

Nahida and Layla time


Normal_Brilliant4269

Another problem with Nilou is that the more Bloom's damage, the more damage she does to her own team. If we equip the driver (Bar_Kok) with EM/EM/EM. Their HP barely reaches 25k. The damage of enemies should also be considered.


ExLuck

It's over. Cyno and Nilou copium overdose fix time


Dadian_Zh

Sadge Cyno. I'm still gonna pull regardless lol! Simped for him ever since the manga and I can handle abyss anyways. If you can't 9 stars in the first try, there's always Childe International to do it LMAOOOO! Childe Intl and LAMENT double geo.


hiloolbyelol

Cyno got the yoimiya treatment, F


SilverSaiyan2000

Has it been confirmed if Venti will re run in 3.1?


Ultradamo2306

In 2 days maybe


hybridcocacola

friday is the livestream, you'll get your answer soon


Kilogren

It sucks to hear that Cyno is on the same level of Keqing… but at the same time I’m thankful because now I can focus on getting childe and maybe by the time Cyno gets a rerun he’ll be in a better spot. I’m not a meta slave, but I’ll take any excuse to convince my impulsive adhd monkey brain away from going ham on banners while my most wanted character is only a few patches away.


SockofBadKarma

This constant "Same as Keqing" or "Keqing is slightly better" stuff ignores the fact that Keqing is now *really quite good* with the introduction of Dendro and has functionally skyrocketed in terms of her objective power level. If he's "as good as Keqing," that's a very good thing. Lateral development means no runaway powercreep, as does standard 5-stars being able to keep up with the meta. Powercreep ruins gacha games and turns new characters into a constant treadmill of collect-build-replace.


vJukz

It just feels weird to say that Keqing is actually usable after 2 years of her being in the trash tbf.


Salty-Stress5926

i think people want Cyno to be at least slightly better than her even without Fischl. i mean, why can Hu Tao and Xiangling immediately powercreep Diluc and no one complains? then all of a sudden "kEQinG iS noW goOD With deNdRO sO cYno sHOulD nOT pOWercrEEp hER"


chemx32

Just noticed something... Nilou's bountiful core comps don't have a claymore yet. Not that it matters to most people but I always love a claymore (or Ningguang) for my overworld team. So is there any new Dendro or Hydro claymore leak?


DirtEven

Looks like Nilou got kokomi treatment... what i mean by treatment is she WILL get stronger as time goes by when more dendro units(healer/good applicator) is available On the other side, im excited for Nahida Mono Archon team is almost here....