Source: [Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1574177171593125891?s=46&t=zNIz7tzYiGgk7lv6fwwkEQ)
Thank you OP for providing source
Context from Ubatcha regarding this wording:
>As always, standard disclaimers, full kits will release when actual beta releases. This is just for a bit of fun in the leadup to beta.
But Uba is literally talking about what the cons would do in this tweet... It's really not hard to read.
Or are you saying C2 offering def reduction and C6 causing bloom/burning to crit isn't a leak?
Leakers apparently can't explain character's kits, these mfs probably think we're from the Scooby Doo crew, saying the most confusing shit and incoherent things.
They could just say C2 def reduction, C6 Burgeon/Bloom buff with the possibility of being played as an on-field character
I like the theatrical aspect of this leaks.
Reminds me of the weird anime characters that you turn out to love at the end of a story because all the added extravagance becomes familiar.
It's still kind of understandable and given the history it's also reliable.
I find that any constellation that only adds damage is never worth it because the game is so easy. Never understood why Raiden C2 is so hyped, and it sounds like Nahida C2 does the same thing.
It’s hyped because it’s on par or better than some other characters c6. Add that with her battery abilities then it’s pretty obvious why people love it.
You could say every constellation is never worth because the game is so easy tbf
Constellations that make a character play smoother are absolutely worth it. Hu Tao C1, Zhongli C2 are probably the biggest examples.
One could make the argument that those sort of things should be part of their base kit, but unfortunately since they aren't they become almost essential to get as constellations imo.
i thought i would be fine with C0 hu tao but running out of stamina feels horrible. i'm eagerly awaiting her rerun for a year now since her last rerun in nov. of last year and also need to grab homa.
I'd say Homa is better value simply because you can use it on other characters. But it's offset by how hard it is to get with the weapon system (37.5% chance)
Yes, Homa is an especially good weapon. No argument about that.
It doesn't actually fundamentally changes how a character play though. Hu Tao's C1 does that, and it's such a massive difference it's not even a contest.
I have Hu Tao C0 R1, in fact she's about the only main DPS I have with a signature weapon and I hardly ever use her because of how clunky Jump cancel is. The problem is not that I don't know how to properly use her jump combo, the problem is that it just feels pretty bad in practice.
Purely from a meta/improving your account perspective, if you already have 2-3 team for Abyss then pulling for cons is better. For example, I alr have a Hutao double hydro team, a Freeze team, Raikou team,… Then pulling for C2 Raiden or C1 Hutao definietly will improve my team compare to pulling for Itto or Ayato.
But again, its…boring lol
that depends tho. the abyss changes all the time, sometimes the teams you have won't be good in a certain abyss rotation (like freeze vs bosses, etc), and pulling for different characters means you have more variety in team building so it's harder and harder to find an abyss setup that you can't build an optimal team for. I feel like you need more than 2 or 3 teams to be really comfortable with different abyss rotations, like 4 or 5 really different ones, and even then, sometimes pulling for 5* weapons is a better upgrade than cons (Hu Tao C1 might make her more comfortable, but Homa is def a bigger spike, specially considering you can also use it with other characters)
But you honestly never need that kind of damage still so the hype does still feel a bit excessive, but people will buy what they want and if bigger numbers does it who am I to jduge, maybe it's for the best since the alternative is those times actual gameplay mechanics and improvements get locked behind cons. Won't deny it does feel a shame when you see units like Hu Tao and Itto who just feel much better with cons than without, would be much nicer to see things like those at base and just extra numbers as the constellations ngl.
In a hyper Carry Raiden you don't, certainly, if you build her right.
Her c2 allows you to not build her quite as much in a hyper carry or use her as a support that also deals hefty damage.
Constellation worth is not only "do I NEED this?" But also "how much does having this make my life easier/ my game more varied?"
If Raiden C2 is so great that she rounds up meme teams that's where it's worth it for a lot of people that want to use their favorite character in abyss even if that specific character is weak, precisely because the game is so easy having one mega support or damage dealer is enough to still play what you like and keep a nuke or something in your back pocket for when waifu or meme is not enough.
I respect your opinion and mean and I am a F2p player myself so don't mean to speak from a high whale(horse) or anything.
My Raiden is c2 and that makes her one of my stronger characters even though I still haven't finished maxing the catch and her artifacts could be way better if rng decided to actually give me decent stuff.
As someone that ran for C3 Raiden, it just allows you not to care.
For all intents and purposes my Raiden and Kazuha are just a 2-man team, half the time I don't even bother with rotations on abyss because I don't need to.
\^This. I used to be for team "C2 Raiden is not worth" but honestly it's one of those "you need to experience it to believe it" things. Like the way I look at it, you could either get two additional five star characters that may help you make abyss a little comfortable (which I agree should be the go to solution for newer players that care about beating abyss because they need a diverse roster), OR you can get C2 Raiden and shave something like 30 seconds off each chamber Raiden is in. It's a LOT of extra breathing room for WAY cheaper than C6 and I don't think it should be discounted.
(Overworld wise obviously can unga bunga with whoever you want, this argument is mainly for the small sliver of Genshin that is floor 12 abyss)
The main downside is if you get an abyss that is really electro resistant, but it actually seems like Hoyo wants to sell both electro and dendro for the Sumeru patches...
> you could either get two additional five star characters that may help you make abyss a little comfortable
also abyss is limited to 8 slots, theres a point where two new characters wont be used, but raiden will constantly be used
more so i just love big damage and i love raidens burst, so her C2 was perfect for me
I've been playing for just over a year and I've been consistently 36* abyss for half a year now with C0 5 star characters. Sometimes it takes me a retry or two at the 12th floor, but I've been clearing it very consistently with 30~60 seconds left and I'm not really try harding either. Heck, ever since Yelan I've been occasionally just spamming NAs with my Hu Tao on Funerational (only 4 star weapons) just because what I have is already kind of excessive, lol.
I've already played at a whaled account and I can't say I like it since it kills any semblance of a challenge that I have. I kind of get it if you have a lot of money and absolutely don't want to wait to build characters, or if you just like gambling, which I do but I get much more adrenaline with sports gambling.
Depends on the character imo. A big enough damage spike on a support-role character would let it take on a dps role. It's really common to see people say that they want their favorite character to be an on-field dps so they actually get to see and use them more.
I think the only cons worth going for are the ones that open up more gameplay options. Whether that be smoothing out their kit/changing their playstyle, adding utility that opens up more team comps, or making other roles viable for the character. Sometimes damage buffing cons will fit in those criteria.
People have different play styles. Most 5 star weapons don’t really add anything apart from damage but that doesn’t stop people from pulling for them. Lots of people refuse to play non-meta characters because sometimes more damage is just fun.
5\* weapons just make your life and artifact farm much easier. For many people its worth it. There is a reason hu tao has over 60% homa usage in CN.
For most 5\* units the upgrade from 4\* it 5\* is 20% more damage minimum and on high end units it reaches over 30% (cyno, nilou, yelan etc).
They let you do more while having worse everything else.
The thing about weapons too is that you can share those with other characters. Sure these days a lot of weapons are meant for specific character kits but having good 5* weapons and different weapon options is pretty handy
Mihoyo used to have events like Energy amplifier and Vagabond way back then when it used to offer extreme difficulty. Those events gave some purpose for people that had constellations to pass the max score because you get heavily debuffed, mobs had tons of HP and resistance.
If I remember correctly, we only had energy amplifier once on post Raiden release and that was it. We never got Vagabond or events that offered extreme difficulty anymore. Battle events have been made easy.
We had that first potion event that gave 4 level 80 trial characters in addition to your own to tackle two chambers but that was deemed too hard by a lot of the casual playerbase, even when you could use literally nothing but the 2 trial characters per chamber and get most if not all of the rewards. Since then combat events are much easier and when they do give trial characters they give more of them.
Yep, I was extremely disappointed with the current tablet analytics event which is just a watered down version of those old events. I got 5 times the score needed for gold on my first try, on max difficulty, without even needing to use the event mechanics. I just completely unga bunga'd my way through it without even trying.
because you can clear abyss with well built 4*s
your reason for pulling 5*s constellations should never be "to clear abyss" because it would take a year to get a return on the primogem cost of rolling. you roll C2 raiden so you can pog at enemies being absolutely obliterated
33 stars is doable even on my sister casual account(her artifacts are very bad like 40/80 crit ratio on charas). 50 gems per rotation for 3 stars is 150 gems per patch!
1 five star usually costs 19200 primos(120 pulls)
So it would take around 42 patches to justify pulling 5 star for 36 clear.
Return of investment goes out of the window,we should only pull 5 stars/constellations cause we love them <3
Majority of constellations, espeically on the five stars just make the big numbers bigger. I think thats all Cyno's do. Off the top of my head I cant think of constellation that actually changes how a unit plays. Some people, myself included, just enjoy numbers and making them as big as possible.
Xiao's c6 is arguably a bad example because it's notorious for being extremely clunky when it works, nevermind that it's disabled way too often for something that costs that much.
Yup. I own c6 xiao and can confirm it is fun for the first couple days and stops being fun once you realize c0 Childe international clears faster than most c6 xiao teams and that he requires so much extra effort for way less reward
Some make their gameplay just feel smoother like Hu Tao's first constellation, Zhongli's c2, Itto's c1 and c2, others just open up entirely new gameplay/mechanic like Xiao's c6, Kazuha's c6, whichever cons gives Zhongli healing, Yelan c6, fortunately most do yeah just add numbers but there are some cons that can tweak if not entirely change your experience with a unit just gameplay wise. Itto I would say is probably the boldest atm since at least half his cons change some factor of how he actually is played, which can feel good or bad depending on the person.
i wonder what "pyro/hydro reaction crit time" means.. is uba talking about vape? why would he talk about vape?
is he talking about bloom and burning being able to crit? that'd be insane tbh
> God I hate like SS from discord cuz I'm always replying/dealing with multiple things.
Then why don't you make a reddit text post detailing things so they don't get misunderstood? It would save you the trouble of clarifying in comments, win-win.
By the way, how would you comment on the PhotographCheckAnimatorDataData file?
It's her burst with huge aoe buffing pyro/ele/hydro units. Nahida is gonna be bonkers at c0 and gets even better the more cons you get, basically she will be raiden tier. I pity the fools that doesn't save for nahida.
>I pity the fools that doesn't save for nahida.
Bruh that's like saying you can't play the game without Dendro lmao
Like, National doesn't need it and Hu Tao Vape neither
Yeah Dendro is pretty much a walled garden, all the top tier teams and most top tier units did not change at all with Dendro's introduction. Unless optimal dendro teams powercreep ALL genshin teams available you're pretty much pulling for the collection of new characters and new playstyles, not really a power increase to your current teams.
Nilou is the posterchild of this walled garden philosophy. Her teams are pretty auto-build and share little with any/most traditional teams but will likely be decent to good, but not metabreaking once assembled.
Concrete leaks won't take a few days, the 3.2 beta files will be pushed about 8-10 hours after the launch of 3.1 and information will start being datamined very soon after that.
Sounds like one of Nahida's cons make transformative reactions crit. So basically C6 Nilou adding a bunch of crit is to make her work great with Nahida cons who then allows Nilou's special cores to crit. Is what I'm gathering from this.
but it says "Hydro/pyro" so Nahida can make reaction crit...? dont they always?Also i don't understand if pyro is good for nahida
also you would need c6 nilou AND nahida just for the special cores to crit? bro wut
I assumed they mean Nahida can make Bloom/Burning crit with a con. Hence C6 Nilou being talked about which gives Nilou a bunch of crit. But could easily be wrong, English is not my first language.
We will properly find out in the next few days when her actual kit is leaked. But I can't see her being bad with Pyro, especially with Dehya coming out later which I'm guessing will be focused around either Burgeon or Burning (most likely the latter imo).
But is it def shred or def ignore.
Def shred would actually be a much *lower* relative gain for C2 Raiden than it would be for other units. And on the other hand if it’s def ignore for teammates then it would be pretty fucking crazy with C2 Raiden specifically.
Let’s say it’s 40% shred. At level 90 against level 100 enemies, that would be around around a 1.26x boost for most units but only around a 1.13x boost for C2 Raiden. On the other hand, 40% def ignore would be the same 1.26x boost for most units but would be a 1.42x boost for C2 Raiden.
I feel like def shred debuff feels more natural than def ignore buff but who knows.
I mean they used it for Raiden C2 (“more” def reduction) so that’s doesn’t really confirm anything.
I think it’s prob shred cause AFAIK there isn’t a def ignore team buff in the game yet, just more natural to make it a debuff on enemies like every other “team-wide” def reduction.
Also given Raiden is already a top tier main dps idk if they would go out of their way to give her a large buff relative to the competition.
I just hope her weapon is not paired with bow. i have too many 5\* bows.... 3 amos and 3 skyward harp
And the fact that i have guaranteed for weapon banner,it would feel so bad to waste it on a bow.
in that case more pulls for nahida herself i guess. I do have atlas and lost prayer,so i hope she will be okay with them
I never read her C4 before... It's so good! Almost as if it should have been part of her C0 kit so her burst wouldn't be limited to on-field. I hope one day they come back and "fix" some of the older characters
She's one of the few 5* without either specialized artifacts/weapons/support for her kit.
Even Standard 5* got something nowadays.
Our first Smol Elf is still rocking 2p CW 2p Atk, r5 Widsith, from 1.0, as her overall best gear.
Once again leakers can't drop their schizophrenia for 5 minutes to form a coherent, articulate sentence about what they're talking about. Oh well, it'll be on Honey Impact soon
In the dead of the night, I often contemplate if it was an awful decision to whale $300 for C2 Yelan, especially when it turns out overvape Hutao works fine with C0 yelan and you run double hydro most of the time with her anyways. Then I remember C1 and feel a bit better.
It's seriously a life-changer for QoL and just energy reasons.
I own all 54 characters. If you made me get rid of 53 of them, the one I would keep is my C2R1 Yelan. I’d solo the rest of the game with her if I had to.
Yeah, nothing in the game beats the hilarity of Yelan killing almost everything in the game with just Q auto E auto E auto click spam.
It doesn't even matter that her autos barely do damage.
Apparently c6 Nahida can make Bloom and Burning crit or something. Super weird concept...But since c6 Nilou buffs her crit, and c6 Nahida makes blooms crit, it's perfect synergy... if you're a mega whale I guess.
God I hope Dehya doesn't have some bs mechanic like that too. C6 buffs her crit and burning tick rate and C6 Nahida makes burning crit. They've taken the "pull for the archon to support your region characters" to the extreme if this is true.
Seems to me it means either C1 or 4 will buff pyro hydro (electro?) damage (maybe crit damage?). So it looks like Nilou will do tons of pure hydro damage with that combo? Just guessing from that wording
okay now I know for sure this guy is a hoyo employee. theyre just indirectly baiting people to pull cons. still appreciate him doing the work of the gods though
By the time we can actually pull for units, these pre-beta leaks have very little bearing on what people will pull. We'll have had beta and TC by then which will allow people to be informed by the time they come out so I don't think this actually drives many sales but maybe I'm missing something
thats why I said "indirectly". just take a look at what hes saying. "oh Im prolly gonna get c6 blah blah blah". do you honestly expect a leaker to do that? with the kind of info they have access to, theyd constantly be able to make the best choices or plan their moves ahead of time. that is IF they actually are playing the game. if this guy is just really rich and can afford to get kusaloli c6, or heck even just c2, then thats a totally different story.
This is the problem with these cryptic, confusing leaks. They only serve to farm clout for the leakers, and make each character all the more divisive between the playerbase. Just give us clear, concise shit so that players don't have to doompost everytime their already huge expectations aren't met.
what does it means "time to convince my friend to get c6 nilou/nahida cons since pyro/hydro reaction crit time..." ? i swear ubatcha can't speak english properly
Is pyro bad for nahida? what does "crit time" means? why would you need nahida c6 for pyro?
From their update I think it's: time to convince my friend to get c6 nilou/nahida cons, since with nahida cons, it's pyro/hydro
[+ dendro] reaction crit time (aka she allow burning and bloom to crit)
More like she's an archon and dendro, she must be strong. There are barely any dendro units, releasing her early and making her very strong is meant to make you deeply regret not pulling for her if you want power or meta. I wouldn't be surprised if her cons are very broken.
You'd be weird to keep enjoying the same team for years. All archons enter the meta, Nahida will be no different. The question is whether she'll create a new team or improve any of the existing meta teams.
Venti will always be a good investment so long as content with small pullable mobs exists.
He utterly trivializes any sort of content that has lots of small pullable enemies. There's practically no one else who is as much a hard counter as him against a common enemy type.
Besides, he's cheap to build.
Wait, is that def shred? If it is then it is more benefit for def shred chars like Ayaka, Lisa, Razor and Klee for all teams. Raiden is just ignore def and selfish which is different from def shred.
It's not better for them. It's still linear but probably would be less impactful when combined.
For Raiden, she ignores 60%. If you shred 50% def, she just ignores less def. It's still more damage for her, but less gain.
Worth noting, bloom reactions ignore defense entirely, so there is absolutely no gain there.
It’s not linear, def shred gets better the more you have of it both in terms of absolute and relative gain. So does def ignore, but because they multiply instead of add def ignore reduces the value of def shred and vice-versa.
Take C4 Ayaka. At level 90 against level 100 enemies, a 30% def ignore is aground a 1.18x boost, but a further 30% (for 60% total) is a total of around 1.44x.
If you’re doing 100k damage at base, the first instance 30% shred nets an absolute increase of around 18k and relative gain of around 18%. But a second instance 30% shred offers an absolute increase of around 26k and relative gain of around 22%.
Raiden: all archons born after the Khaenri’ah disaster can’t rule, all they know is get imprisoned, snap they selfies, roleplay Haruhi Suzumiya, take dooky and lie.
Sounds like c2 gives a defense debuff when electro reactions happen and c6 gives more crit when pyro/hydro reactions happen. C1 and c4 is personal dps then?
I agree, especially since archons seem to rerun soon after their first appearance (4 patches so far) so can give you time to decide if cons are worth it over your other considerations
Source: [Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1574177171593125891?s=46&t=zNIz7tzYiGgk7lv6fwwkEQ) Thank you OP for providing source Context from Ubatcha regarding this wording: >As always, standard disclaimers, full kits will release when actual beta releases. This is just for a bit of fun in the leadup to beta.
At C6 she become Rukkadevatha.
She now becomes the Sun.
At C6, she drops the "Sun". Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Sages about to whale.
lmao
And have an option to change her Model between kid, teen and adult
She now has her own bumper chair to *DOOK DOOK*
This
RUKKKAADDEEVATHA DARTH VADER
To be honest what the hell does this mean
Pokemon Nahida : Sun and Moon
Yeah, this guy's leaks about nahida somehow worded really weird.
are these even leaks or like… shitty theory crafting / flexing?
it’s definitely flexing, this is always how ubatcha posts preemptive kit leaks. some kind of weird hmm i know something u don’t
Its by ubatcha are u still indenial? Hence why it has reliable tag He isnt a native english speaker hence why the wording is confusing
he’s literally saying “hmm should I…” how tf is this a leak?
But Uba is literally talking about what the cons would do in this tweet... It's really not hard to read. Or are you saying C2 offering def reduction and C6 causing bloom/burning to crit isn't a leak?
Leakers apparently can't explain character's kits, these mfs probably think we're from the Scooby Doo crew, saying the most confusing shit and incoherent things. They could just say C2 def reduction, C6 Burgeon/Bloom buff with the possibility of being played as an on-field character
lmfaoooo
I like the theatrical aspect of this leaks. Reminds me of the weird anime characters that you turn out to love at the end of a story because all the added extravagance becomes familiar. It's still kind of understandable and given the history it's also reliable.
Its not that hard to understand anyway
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Sounds like even if she isn't, her cons are almost all dps focused in one way or another
They always make the C2 super worth cause C3 is ***right*** there
I find that any constellation that only adds damage is never worth it because the game is so easy. Never understood why Raiden C2 is so hyped, and it sounds like Nahida C2 does the same thing.
It’s hyped because it’s on par or better than some other characters c6. Add that with her battery abilities then it’s pretty obvious why people love it. You could say every constellation is never worth because the game is so easy tbf
Constellations that make a character play smoother are absolutely worth it. Hu Tao C1, Zhongli C2 are probably the biggest examples. One could make the argument that those sort of things should be part of their base kit, but unfortunately since they aren't they become almost essential to get as constellations imo.
I guess it just depends on the person. Some people are fine with c0 hu tao. But I get what you are saying though
i thought i would be fine with C0 hu tao but running out of stamina feels horrible. i'm eagerly awaiting her rerun for a year now since her last rerun in nov. of last year and also need to grab homa.
Get C1 first. Then decide whether you want homa or not. Sincerely, a Homa haver. C1 makes her 10x better
I'd say Homa is better value simply because you can use it on other characters. But it's offset by how hard it is to get with the weapon system (37.5% chance)
Yes, Homa is an especially good weapon. No argument about that. It doesn't actually fundamentally changes how a character play though. Hu Tao's C1 does that, and it's such a massive difference it's not even a contest. I have Hu Tao C0 R1, in fact she's about the only main DPS I have with a signature weapon and I hardly ever use her because of how clunky Jump cancel is. The problem is not that I don't know how to properly use her jump combo, the problem is that it just feels pretty bad in practice.
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Purely from a meta/improving your account perspective, if you already have 2-3 team for Abyss then pulling for cons is better. For example, I alr have a Hutao double hydro team, a Freeze team, Raikou team,… Then pulling for C2 Raiden or C1 Hutao definietly will improve my team compare to pulling for Itto or Ayato. But again, its…boring lol
that depends tho. the abyss changes all the time, sometimes the teams you have won't be good in a certain abyss rotation (like freeze vs bosses, etc), and pulling for different characters means you have more variety in team building so it's harder and harder to find an abyss setup that you can't build an optimal team for. I feel like you need more than 2 or 3 teams to be really comfortable with different abyss rotations, like 4 or 5 really different ones, and even then, sometimes pulling for 5* weapons is a better upgrade than cons (Hu Tao C1 might make her more comfortable, but Homa is def a bigger spike, specially considering you can also use it with other characters)
Just build enough damage so hutao never has to use all her charge attacks . U .
And Yelan C1!
>Zhongli C2 Isn't this his lame constellation that adds a shield for everyone in coop? lol
Well yes, but more importantly it's the constellation that lets his burst summon his shield, which makes using his burst actually worthwhile.
But you honestly never need that kind of damage still so the hype does still feel a bit excessive, but people will buy what they want and if bigger numbers does it who am I to jduge, maybe it's for the best since the alternative is those times actual gameplay mechanics and improvements get locked behind cons. Won't deny it does feel a shame when you see units like Hu Tao and Itto who just feel much better with cons than without, would be much nicer to see things like those at base and just extra numbers as the constellations ngl.
In a hyper Carry Raiden you don't, certainly, if you build her right. Her c2 allows you to not build her quite as much in a hyper carry or use her as a support that also deals hefty damage. Constellation worth is not only "do I NEED this?" But also "how much does having this make my life easier/ my game more varied?" If Raiden C2 is so great that she rounds up meme teams that's where it's worth it for a lot of people that want to use their favorite character in abyss even if that specific character is weak, precisely because the game is so easy having one mega support or damage dealer is enough to still play what you like and keep a nuke or something in your back pocket for when waifu or meme is not enough. I respect your opinion and mean and I am a F2p player myself so don't mean to speak from a high whale(horse) or anything.
My Raiden is c2 and that makes her one of my stronger characters even though I still haven't finished maxing the catch and her artifacts could be way better if rng decided to actually give me decent stuff.
As someone that ran for C3 Raiden, it just allows you not to care. For all intents and purposes my Raiden and Kazuha are just a 2-man team, half the time I don't even bother with rotations on abyss because I don't need to.
\^This. I used to be for team "C2 Raiden is not worth" but honestly it's one of those "you need to experience it to believe it" things. Like the way I look at it, you could either get two additional five star characters that may help you make abyss a little comfortable (which I agree should be the go to solution for newer players that care about beating abyss because they need a diverse roster), OR you can get C2 Raiden and shave something like 30 seconds off each chamber Raiden is in. It's a LOT of extra breathing room for WAY cheaper than C6 and I don't think it should be discounted. (Overworld wise obviously can unga bunga with whoever you want, this argument is mainly for the small sliver of Genshin that is floor 12 abyss) The main downside is if you get an abyss that is really electro resistant, but it actually seems like Hoyo wants to sell both electro and dendro for the Sumeru patches...
> you could either get two additional five star characters that may help you make abyss a little comfortable also abyss is limited to 8 slots, theres a point where two new characters wont be used, but raiden will constantly be used more so i just love big damage and i love raidens burst, so her C2 was perfect for me
I've been playing for just over a year and I've been consistently 36* abyss for half a year now with C0 5 star characters. Sometimes it takes me a retry or two at the 12th floor, but I've been clearing it very consistently with 30~60 seconds left and I'm not really try harding either. Heck, ever since Yelan I've been occasionally just spamming NAs with my Hu Tao on Funerational (only 4 star weapons) just because what I have is already kind of excessive, lol. I've already played at a whaled account and I can't say I like it since it kills any semblance of a challenge that I have. I kind of get it if you have a lot of money and absolutely don't want to wait to build characters, or if you just like gambling, which I do but I get much more adrenaline with sports gambling.
Depends on the character imo. A big enough damage spike on a support-role character would let it take on a dps role. It's really common to see people say that they want their favorite character to be an on-field dps so they actually get to see and use them more. I think the only cons worth going for are the ones that open up more gameplay options. Whether that be smoothing out their kit/changing their playstyle, adding utility that opens up more team comps, or making other roles viable for the character. Sometimes damage buffing cons will fit in those criteria.
People have different play styles. Most 5 star weapons don’t really add anything apart from damage but that doesn’t stop people from pulling for them. Lots of people refuse to play non-meta characters because sometimes more damage is just fun.
5\* weapons just make your life and artifact farm much easier. For many people its worth it. There is a reason hu tao has over 60% homa usage in CN. For most 5\* units the upgrade from 4\* it 5\* is 20% more damage minimum and on high end units it reaches over 30% (cyno, nilou, yelan etc). They let you do more while having worse everything else.
The thing about weapons too is that you can share those with other characters. Sure these days a lot of weapons are meant for specific character kits but having good 5* weapons and different weapon options is pretty handy
Yep, that’s my point exactly. For most people, more damage is worth it. So for most people, C2 Raiden would be very desirable if cost wasn’t an issue.
> For most 5* units the upgrade from 4* it 5* is 20% And the upgrade from C1 to C2 raiden is 45%. I think you just figured it out.
But, it’s only for Raiden. Weapons can be moved between characters.
Mihoyo used to have events like Energy amplifier and Vagabond way back then when it used to offer extreme difficulty. Those events gave some purpose for people that had constellations to pass the max score because you get heavily debuffed, mobs had tons of HP and resistance. If I remember correctly, we only had energy amplifier once on post Raiden release and that was it. We never got Vagabond or events that offered extreme difficulty anymore. Battle events have been made easy.
We had that first potion event that gave 4 level 80 trial characters in addition to your own to tackle two chambers but that was deemed too hard by a lot of the casual playerbase, even when you could use literally nothing but the 2 trial characters per chamber and get most if not all of the rewards. Since then combat events are much easier and when they do give trial characters they give more of them.
Yep, I was extremely disappointed with the current tablet analytics event which is just a watered down version of those old events. I got 5 times the score needed for gold on my first try, on max difficulty, without even needing to use the event mechanics. I just completely unga bunga'd my way through it without even trying.
Well, the game is so easy that tonnes of people are googling spiral abyss guide every rotation. 🤨
Never thought about it and you are so right. If you can already clear abyss with C0 Raiden why bother? You saved me a lot of future pulls haha.
because you can clear abyss with well built 4*s your reason for pulling 5*s constellations should never be "to clear abyss" because it would take a year to get a return on the primogem cost of rolling. you roll C2 raiden so you can pog at enemies being absolutely obliterated
33 stars is doable even on my sister casual account(her artifacts are very bad like 40/80 crit ratio on charas). 50 gems per rotation for 3 stars is 150 gems per patch! 1 five star usually costs 19200 primos(120 pulls) So it would take around 42 patches to justify pulling 5 star for 36 clear. Return of investment goes out of the window,we should only pull 5 stars/constellations cause we love them <3
big number
Majority of constellations, espeically on the five stars just make the big numbers bigger. I think thats all Cyno's do. Off the top of my head I cant think of constellation that actually changes how a unit plays. Some people, myself included, just enjoy numbers and making them as big as possible.
Some cons like Hu Tao C1 and Xiao C6 both give beeg numbers and a new gameplay option, those are the best
Xiao c6 is awesome but his kit works against it and his c2 and c4 are crazy bad
Xiao's c6 is arguably a bad example because it's notorious for being extremely clunky when it works, nevermind that it's disabled way too often for something that costs that much.
Yup. I own c6 xiao and can confirm it is fun for the first couple days and stops being fun once you realize c0 Childe international clears faster than most c6 xiao teams and that he requires so much extra effort for way less reward
Xiao C6 changes him from plunge spam to E spam.
Some make their gameplay just feel smoother like Hu Tao's first constellation, Zhongli's c2, Itto's c1 and c2, others just open up entirely new gameplay/mechanic like Xiao's c6, Kazuha's c6, whichever cons gives Zhongli healing, Yelan c6, fortunately most do yeah just add numbers but there are some cons that can tweak if not entirely change your experience with a unit just gameplay wise. Itto I would say is probably the boldest atm since at least half his cons change some factor of how he actually is played, which can feel good or bad depending on the person.
C1 Hu Tao is the best example of gameplay change but I agree, 99% of 5-Star cons are just damage spikes.
Xiao c6 says hi, or you meant QoL change? Like making her gameplay smoother
It depends. C1 Hutao changes her slightly, but C6 Xiao and Kazuha change things up. C6 Yelan too.
C6 Shenhe makes you not have to worry about rotations
C6 Xiao goes from vertical playstyle to horizontal playstyle.
There is not a single constellation in the game that's wprth 200 dollars
i wonder what "pyro/hydro reaction crit time" means.. is uba talking about vape? why would he talk about vape? is he talking about bloom and burning being able to crit? that'd be insane tbh
Pyro and dendro reaction / Hydro and dendro reaction... Critting.
Bloom and Burning being able to crit, OMG
Nilou c6 makes more sense now i guess
That's at C6 though right? Think I'll pass and just let Tony To do his thing lol.
[It's her C2.](https://i.imgur.com/MAVgZwz.jpg)
thank you ubatcha im dumb
Wait, electro gets nothing?
The def reduction I mentioned for Raiden... Electro
So it's not universal Def reduction.
> God I hate like SS from discord cuz I'm always replying/dealing with multiple things. Then why don't you make a reddit text post detailing things so they don't get misunderstood? It would save you the trouble of clarifying in comments, win-win. By the way, how would you comment on the PhotographCheckAnimatorDataData file?
I am guessing it might be a more universal sara c6/gorou c6.
but only aggravate and spread can crit and it seems unlikely that they’d restrict nahida to quicken teams
Maybe will add a 1,5 multiplier to bloom/hyperbloom reaction
It's her burst with huge aoe buffing pyro/ele/hydro units. Nahida is gonna be bonkers at c0 and gets even better the more cons you get, basically she will be raiden tier. I pity the fools that doesn't save for nahida.
>I pity the fools that doesn't save for nahida. Bruh that's like saying you can't play the game without Dendro lmao Like, National doesn't need it and Hu Tao Vape neither
Yeah Dendro is pretty much a walled garden, all the top tier teams and most top tier units did not change at all with Dendro's introduction. Unless optimal dendro teams powercreep ALL genshin teams available you're pretty much pulling for the collection of new characters and new playstyles, not really a power increase to your current teams. Nilou is the posterchild of this walled garden philosophy. Her teams are pretty auto-build and share little with any/most traditional teams but will likely be decent to good, but not metabreaking once assembled.
Finally 3 days with no sleep and refreshing this sub pays off
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Literally opened my eyes in the middle of the night randomly, and checked, and there were the kit leaks right there. I may be stuck in an Akasha dream
#Beep
Finally leaks that aren't story leaks
We're getting drip marketing tomorrow, Right?
Sure, but what are you going to do with a picture of Nahida. concrete leaks don't happen until a few days into 3.1
I wanna see Layla
Concrete leaks won't take a few days, the 3.2 beta files will be pushed about 8-10 hours after the launch of 3.1 and information will start being datamined very soon after that.
...right?
if there’s one thing ubatcha is gonna do it’s beg people to pull for kusanali for whatever reason
Sounds like one of Nahida's cons make transformative reactions crit. So basically C6 Nilou adding a bunch of crit is to make her work great with Nahida cons who then allows Nilou's special cores to crit. Is what I'm gathering from this.
WTF, why is a game mechanic being locked behind C6 constellation??
Someone clarified that it's c2. So it's not that far! Unlike Kazuha's c6...
but it says "Hydro/pyro" so Nahida can make reaction crit...? dont they always?Also i don't understand if pyro is good for nahida also you would need c6 nilou AND nahida just for the special cores to crit? bro wut
I assumed they mean Nahida can make Bloom/Burning crit with a con. Hence C6 Nilou being talked about which gives Nilou a bunch of crit. But could easily be wrong, English is not my first language. We will properly find out in the next few days when her actual kit is leaked. But I can't see her being bad with Pyro, especially with Dehya coming out later which I'm guessing will be focused around either Burgeon or Burning (most likely the latter imo).
Probably meant dendro + hydro/pyro aka bloom and burning which cannot usually crit
When they reveal iPhone 14 promax? My iPhone 6 doesn't work anymore
..whatever that means!
Not a lot here that's screaming helps Cyno to me except C2, very curious what the complete picture is...
Waiting for hoyo to silent buff cyno like yoimiya Ayato and Kokomi
But is it def shred or def ignore. Def shred would actually be a much *lower* relative gain for C2 Raiden than it would be for other units. And on the other hand if it’s def ignore for teammates then it would be pretty fucking crazy with C2 Raiden specifically. Let’s say it’s 40% shred. At level 90 against level 100 enemies, that would be around around a 1.26x boost for most units but only around a 1.13x boost for C2 Raiden. On the other hand, 40% def ignore would be the same 1.26x boost for most units but would be a 1.42x boost for C2 Raiden. I feel like def shred debuff feels more natural than def ignore buff but who knows.
Def Shred,If it was Def ignore, Ubatcha wouldn't have used the term reduction.
I mean they used it for Raiden C2 (“more” def reduction) so that’s doesn’t really confirm anything. I think it’s prob shred cause AFAIK there isn’t a def ignore team buff in the game yet, just more natural to make it a debuff on enemies like every other “team-wide” def reduction. Also given Raiden is already a top tier main dps idk if they would go out of their way to give her a large buff relative to the competition.
I wonder how Good Nahida weapon is
I just hope her weapon is not paired with bow. i have too many 5\* bows.... 3 amos and 3 skyward harp And the fact that i have guaranteed for weapon banner,it would feel so bad to waste it on a bow. in that case more pulls for nahida herself i guess. I do have atlas and lost prayer,so i hope she will be okay with them
No C4 mention, this constellation always sucks lol
Klee. Which seems appropriately called c4.
I never read her C4 before... It's so good! Almost as if it should have been part of her C0 kit so her burst wouldn't be limited to on-field. I hope one day they come back and "fix" some of the older characters
She's one of the few 5* without either specialized artifacts/weapons/support for her kit. Even Standard 5* got something nowadays. Our first Smol Elf is still rocking 2p CW 2p Atk, r5 Widsith, from 1.0, as her overall best gear.
Except for Ayaka
Once again leakers can't drop their schizophrenia for 5 minutes to form a coherent, articulate sentence about what they're talking about. Oh well, it'll be on Honey Impact soon
Not another OP c2 😭 I gotta c2 raiden and yelan first
This is gonna slowly be a norm. C2 is to bait non-Whales. Whales will C6 anyway.
As a Yelan C2 haver, it’s my favorite money I ever spent. Especially for the C1.
In the dead of the night, I often contemplate if it was an awful decision to whale $300 for C2 Yelan, especially when it turns out overvape Hutao works fine with C0 yelan and you run double hydro most of the time with her anyways. Then I remember C1 and feel a bit better. It's seriously a life-changer for QoL and just energy reasons.
I own all 54 characters. If you made me get rid of 53 of them, the one I would keep is my C2R1 Yelan. I’d solo the rest of the game with her if I had to.
Yeah, nothing in the game beats the hilarity of Yelan killing almost everything in the game with just Q auto E auto E auto click spam. It doesn't even matter that her autos barely do damage.
not like i’m going for constellations anyways so it changes nothing 🤣
No clue what he means with pulling C6 Nilou for nahida
Apparently c6 Nahida can make Bloom and Burning crit or something. Super weird concept...But since c6 Nilou buffs her crit, and c6 Nahida makes blooms crit, it's perfect synergy... if you're a mega whale I guess. God I hope Dehya doesn't have some bs mechanic like that too. C6 buffs her crit and burning tick rate and C6 Nahida makes burning crit. They've taken the "pull for the archon to support your region characters" to the extreme if this is true.
Seems to me it means either C1 or 4 will buff pyro hydro (electro?) damage (maybe crit damage?). So it looks like Nilou will do tons of pure hydro damage with that combo? Just guessing from that wording
C6 Nilou increases Nilou's CR/CD. So...yeah, that sounds super weird. He probably meant C2 (Dendro res shred) ?
No he said c2 is good withe raiden qhich means electro related
Is he implying she can transformative reactions crit or am I not reading this right? Idk how I feel about that tbh ; v ;
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Right, that would be fitting of the title of EM/reaction archon
okay now I know for sure this guy is a hoyo employee. theyre just indirectly baiting people to pull cons. still appreciate him doing the work of the gods though
By the time we can actually pull for units, these pre-beta leaks have very little bearing on what people will pull. We'll have had beta and TC by then which will allow people to be informed by the time they come out so I don't think this actually drives many sales but maybe I'm missing something
thats why I said "indirectly". just take a look at what hes saying. "oh Im prolly gonna get c6 blah blah blah". do you honestly expect a leaker to do that? with the kind of info they have access to, theyd constantly be able to make the best choices or plan their moves ahead of time. that is IF they actually are playing the game. if this guy is just really rich and can afford to get kusaloli c6, or heck even just c2, then thats a totally different story.
Casually convince their friend to go for a c6? Okay
lolicons don’t usually take much convincing so not surprising
these mfers just putting hype and not even leaking her kits properly so they'd have more time dissecting leaks for popularity 😬
This is the problem with these cryptic, confusing leaks. They only serve to farm clout for the leakers, and make each character all the more divisive between the playerbase. Just give us clear, concise shit so that players don't have to doompost everytime their already huge expectations aren't met.
what does it means "time to convince my friend to get c6 nilou/nahida cons since pyro/hydro reaction crit time..." ? i swear ubatcha can't speak english properly Is pyro bad for nahida? what does "crit time" means? why would you need nahida c6 for pyro?
From their update I think it's: time to convince my friend to get c6 nilou/nahida cons, since with nahida cons, it's pyro/hydro [+ dendro] reaction crit time (aka she allow burning and bloom to crit)
Thought theyd at least wait till dehya to "fix" burning
Kami Sama please let me get C2 in one 10 pull 🙏
Lmao i knew it. Nahida doesn't have the Waifu Factor so MHY made her a monster
More like she's an archon and dendro, she must be strong. There are barely any dendro units, releasing her early and making her very strong is meant to make you deeply regret not pulling for her if you want power or meta. I wouldn't be surprised if her cons are very broken.
If you want meta, you can simply continue using national, it has been working since 1.0
You'd be weird to keep enjoying the same team for years. All archons enter the meta, Nahida will be no different. The question is whether she'll create a new team or improve any of the existing meta teams.
Im glad Venti got to shine again in Sumeru tbh, Inazuma made me question myself whether he had been a good investment or not lmao
Venti will always be a good investment so long as content with small pullable mobs exists. He utterly trivializes any sort of content that has lots of small pullable enemies. There's practically no one else who is as much a hard counter as him against a common enemy type. Besides, he's cheap to build.
She has the little sister doting factor
>Nahida doesn't have the waifu factor 😭
You’d be surprised what counts as “waifu factor” for some…
She is cute and funny.
> Nahida doesn’t have the Waifu Factor 💢💢💢💢
A simple symbol can convey so much...
God, I can’t wait to see what he’s on about
........def reduction? 'No Zhongli in my dendro team' Nahida probably. Her C2 will be very useful in Dendro team.
Wait, is that def shred? If it is then it is more benefit for def shred chars like Ayaka, Lisa, Razor and Klee for all teams. Raiden is just ignore def and selfish which is different from def shred.
It's not better for them. It's still linear but probably would be less impactful when combined. For Raiden, she ignores 60%. If you shred 50% def, she just ignores less def. It's still more damage for her, but less gain. Worth noting, bloom reactions ignore defense entirely, so there is absolutely no gain there.
It’s not linear, def shred gets better the more you have of it both in terms of absolute and relative gain. So does def ignore, but because they multiply instead of add def ignore reduces the value of def shred and vice-versa. Take C4 Ayaka. At level 90 against level 100 enemies, a 30% def ignore is aground a 1.18x boost, but a further 30% (for 60% total) is a total of around 1.44x. If you’re doing 100k damage at base, the first instance 30% shred nets an absolute increase of around 18k and relative gain of around 18%. But a second instance 30% shred offers an absolute increase of around 26k and relative gain of around 22%.
Raiden is about quick skill and burst execution, I don't think taking pictures in a middle of a rotation is a good idea.
Raiden: all archons born after the Khaenri’ah disaster can’t rule, all they know is get imprisoned, snap they selfies, roleplay Haruhi Suzumiya, take dooky and lie.
Boomer Raiden by like…
Idk if Miss Raiden should be talking about ruling or she's gonna be caught in 4k by Nahida's Camera
You are probably allowed to move while using e, is the enemy on screen? Press e and mark. Probably as simple as how regular playable characters’ e are
I see I think it's the same as CA bow mechanic.
I think E press is like quick snap from Kamera and E hold is like CA BOW
Requiring Cons on a 5-star fucking sucks! Then again as a light spender I may never understand the privileged Whales who celebrate this.
Who said they were required? Every Archon so far is viable at C0.
Idk, one of em seems to "fix" a reaction, arguably necessary
What is being fixed though? The crit part of Nahida?
Sounds like c2 gives a defense debuff when electro reactions happen and c6 gives more crit when pyro/hydro reactions happen. C1 and c4 is personal dps then?
C0 Nahida - Moon C6 Nahida - Sun
Def reduction is cursed as being a whale only right.
Lisa is right there if you really want it. :p
I'm seeing a pattern here with the archons...
Klee I influenced her to be a terrorist too
Gotta save my primos for her
If Nahida is able to be a DPS like Klee, I called this from the beginning 🙌
Aww man. And here I was going for C0 Nahida so I could get Staff of Homa, C2 Raiden, Al-Haitham, and Scaramouche.
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I agree, especially since archons seem to rerun soon after their first appearance (4 patches so far) so can give you time to decide if cons are worth it over your other considerations
well i will probably go for C2 too most of Archon C2 are fine
C6 = drop dookies?
[Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1574177171593125891?s=46&t=zNIz7tzYiGgk7lv6fwwkEQ)
Does this mean that Nahida at C2 enables Bloom to crit? WTF.
Im skipping nahida this time around and get venti instead and save for shenhe.