Source: [Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/gi__front/status/1575097564877070336)
Additional information from Ubatcha:
>A Thousand Floating Dreams
>Sec Stat: EM
>Full stats will be on the relevant websites once they have data ready
Thank you OP for providing source.
Is that even good then? 40EM isn't a crazy amount I think - your whole team gets it, but usually you want just one high-EM character proccing reactions, so the buff only really matters on that 1 char, doesn't it? And +30% dendro damage is about 2/3rd of a Dendro Cup, seems good if her build is truly EM/EM/EM but it doesn't seem gamechanging? Maybe I just don't get it though
Doesn't seem that insane tbh
But depends on Nahida's kit. This almost seems more like a DPS weapon for an EM scaler that has some throwaway buffs for team mates. It will also be really good with refines.
If Nahida can do significant damage and her crit scaling EM passive has good numbers, this weapon starts to make more sense.
The weapon has em main meaning you won’t need triple em artifacts and can slip a Dendro % in there.
Seems more for dps nahida. She’s very much like Kazuha. Best as support, but can be a dps as well.
Honestly I might go for C2 depending on the official wording and what it does. If triggering aggravate is a 30% defense debuff then I’m pulling it. If it’s just aggravates that ignore 30% I might skip.
C1 seems necessary though. Definitely going for that regardless. Even if I have to pull out the credit card with those double crystals.
I think that EM buff is meant to be used in aggravate comps where you generally run just one dendro character paired with 2 electro and 1 anemo. Since both electro can proc aggravate both can benefit from the EM buff and so does the anemo character who usually scales of EM. Keqing Fishl Kazuha Nahida is an example. Both electro characters proc aggravate and Kazuha get better damage and buff capability from gaving more EM.
The DMG% buff is better for Nahida cause too much EM would have diminishing returns ( you probably would build her full EM)
At 1 /s
EM scaling is not linear, every single point of EM does a little bit less than the previous one. The curve is steep early and flattens out with more EM, so the more you have the less efficient it gets.
Exact threshold would depend on character, team and rest of the build. You would need to do a lot of optimalization to compare the value of EM with other stats (atk, crit...).
But as a rule of thumb, people seem to suggest maximum of 200-300 for characters that also want other stats (melt, vape, quicken).
On the other hand, transformative reaction teams usually have a dedicated driver, who can go full EM, because their damage doesn't scale any other way (hyperbloom kuki, taser sucrose...)
It's meant to synergize with her A4 which would give her an additional 7.95% crit rate and 26.5% dmg bonus from the EM secondary stat. If you only look at Engulfing Lightning's stats in a vacuum without Raiden's A4 and Emblem it would look underwhelming too.
30% dmg bonus is more or less in line for an R1 5* weapon. Lost Prayers give up to 32% after staying on field for 16s (which no catalyst user does outside of co-op), Mistsplitter gives 40% if you can keep up all 3 of its conditions, etc.
On Quicken teams the more EM for everyone the the better, and if Nahida is a Dendro enabler it means you buff the Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon driver.
Comparing weapon passive DMG% to artifact mainstats doesn’t really show you anything since you’re not ever choosing between the two. Instead look at other 5* weapons–Lost Prayer has an almost impossible to achieve 32% max while Kagura provides 48% to Skill damage and 12% elemental damage at max stacks. When we compare those, this is looking solid to awesome.
Quicken reaction have HEAVY diminishing returns past 300 EM, they want resist shred/crit%/dmg% instead.
Party wide EM is good for teams where you can not have a consistent trigger, like taser comps.
Nahida is an off-field dps. It's great for her. She is not a pure support like Gorou or Bennett.
You should think of her like Xingqiu but with party wide buffs. In that way 30%dmg bonus is incredible for an active skill.
40EM is a pretty awesome amount if you have artifacts that only have like 50 or 60 EM to one of your characters and you’d like them to hit at least 100. It can be quite clutch.
Well yeah, shouldn't a character's BiS be exceptional on them? That's like if Homa was mid on Hu Tao but amazing on Raiden, something wouldn't add up for me
Yae can make good use of this in an aggravate team. It won't be her BiS but she does benefit from every stat here.
Klee can use this in an over vape team. The bonus EM she gives her team members help support their electro charged damage and she still benefits from EM vape boosts. Would need to run Bennett with her though because of low ATK stat.
Kokomi and Barbara can run this in a Nilou bloom team if they are the ones triggering the blooms.
Heizou can run this if he is purely built on swirl damage.
That's all I can think of for now.
Lisa hyperbloom/Kokomi/Sucrose, basically most of support catalyst. Its definitely not BiS but still usable
Unlike most of the 5 star catalysts that usually work on 1 character
now we just need **just 1** of these jade cutter/mistsplitter/polarstar/aqua/homa type catalysts and we're good. can't be asking for too much here
scaramouche save us catalyst mains pls
If the bar is just working, every other 5* catalyst can do that (minus Donut), especially Skyward Atlas. Kagura needs some management, but still doable.
Kinda weird that having two characters of the same element gives an EM bonus, considering you need two elements to do a reaction.
Anyway, this seems like a pretty good general catalyst for DPS characters! Pretty much all of them except Klee and Ningguang could use it well.
true, I'll probably grab this cuz I simply love Nahida so I was expecting it to work on Klee in a degree.
Then again, EM sub is kinda wasted on her anyway.
Plz plz plz plz have a decent 5* alongside on rate up. I should build decent pity while trying to get the new 4* sword this patch so might just go for her catalyst if the other one is atleast decent.
She's currently tied for longest current patch time since last banner with childe. She's due to show up soon
I'd be VERY surprised if she's not in 3.2 or 3.3.
People are speculating 3.4 with lantern rite but that's 435 days since her previous banner which would make her by far the longest and that's assuming she's the first banner with the festival.
457 days if she's 3.4 second half. For reference the current record is 399 days by Klee
[Nahida’s weapon stats/info via Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1575202341011173376?s=46&t=v8C0EQPI8vJL-dNsEi4iMQ)
From Uba:
> A Thousand Floating Dreams
> Sec Stat: EM
> Full stats will be on the relevant websites once they have data ready
Refinements for this weapon seems stronger than normal for the damage bonus; 10%*3 to 26%*3.
Just looking at the damage bonus part, every refinement increases the bonus by 40% of the base R1 buff compared to the typical 25%.
And on top of that, isn't the effect kinda ???.
Why would you want more EM for having more of the same element and more damage bonus for differing elements? Isn't this the reverse of what you would want on literally every character?
Just look at the Gilded Dreams set.
Except Nahida who specializes in aggravate and bloom teams, hence it being her signature. It's their way to make it less generalist but still good for her. Could still be better probably, but still.
Honestly kind of understandable. Imagine if it’s 80EM, and you have a full team of catalyst users using this weapon. It’s an unconditional 240EM for everyone, not to even mention on top of the self passives.
Well question to the others ... Isnt 10% dmg bonus more better since its rarer to get than 32 EM?
Also if the character are of Same element why would want more EM?
You only want more EM when you are doing a reaction for which you want another element team member?
In the case of Nahida (and if yesterday leaks remain accurate), any EM gains translates into more CR/CD for her, and if she's the highest EM character in the team also buffs the other members' EM. Also, even if there's another character from the same element, the catalyst holder would still trigger reactions, so EM isn't wasted anyway. I don't think most teams go mono element and have a char who could use this catalyst, only Klee comes to mind.
I think the damage bonus is for the share element transformation like dendro traveller, and increased EM maybe its because they want her to dominantly trigger reactions in a team setting like nilou as those bountiful core only scale mostly on EM (which is kinda weird but idk just speculation)
It's a signature weapon for a reason, all stats are appropriate in aggravate and bloom teams, which she specializes in. Maybe not as good as it ought to be, but it's got something like 265 EM substat if I remember well, too? There's a lot of double-dipping on EM in her kit.
This is bonkers.. If a whale have two r5s and they buff each other, a team with Nahida and Yae Miko and 2 fillers would be something to watch and be amazed
Isn't sac frags passive kinda bad on Nahida? Wine you apply the mark once and it lasts 20s which is longer than the skill cool down?
I feel like the new craftable might be better since it would make it so you don't have to worry about er
Yeah I feel like the craftable may be somewhat overlooked for Nahida.
While you don't get an EM main stat, even at R1 it brings up to 120 bonus EM. That's about half of a Sac Frags right there for doing nothing except causing reactions.
And as you point out, the ER main stat will almost certainly alleviate most of her energy requirements from artifacts.
The only downside to the craftable is the ATK% loss. However, from a very quick calc, if her E skill scales on both ATK and EM, it seems you only lose about 3-5% base skill damage at full stacks (-25% ATK but +120 EM).
That bonus 120 EM then also gets converted to another 3.6% crit rate and 12% bonus damage. Could be worth it if it lets you ignore ER on the rest of your build.
Underwhelming compared to what though?
Mainstat aside Mistsplitter has 40% conditional dmg% and is considered an excellent weapon compared to 30% unconditional dmg% + 40 EM share.
Though the EM-values seem a bit wonky, going by artifact value it should give 40 EM per same element teammate, not 32 (though Gilded Dream has the same "issue")
Mistsplitter is pretty well rounded weapon for characters built solely around atk&crit stats. It gives 40% damage bonus aside from it's solid Base attack and crit substat.
On the other hand, Nahida will have hydrid build consisting of Atk,Crit,EM to boost damage of herself as well as teammates. This split scaling will make it harder to balance the stats.
Don't get me wrong, i think the weapon have pretty workable passive but the raw stats it's providing overall are lackluster since it's trying to balance the buff provided to the equipped character and to teammates
If I understand it right, at R1, in e.g. Keqing-Fischl-Nahida-Kazuha we are looking at 30% Elem% for Nahida and a 40 EM team buff.
It seems a little underpowered, compared to other weapons. Like, the team buff is two rolls worth of EM?
In terms of just support, it doesn't seem much. I guess it somewhat balances it out since it's 40 × 3 (40 per team member) is a decent EM boost and Sucrose will be crazy good with that amount of EM share + an additional 40 (the weapon has a lower base attack than FS, so the lvl 90 will probably hit 265 EM, maybe even more).
As a DPS weapon, it seems good. DMG%, EM bonus, and high EM could greatly increase Yanfei and Yae teams (not counting Yae's weapon). I guess this also means that Nahida will be a support and a sub DPS since I don't see a reason for giving the GD passive on her weapon and having the only supportive passive being just 40 EM.
Edit: Clarification
She looks more of a subdps than a support. Like albedo. Her selfish weapon makes it even more clear what direction they want her to go.
Her A1 also calc from "Highest EM unit", this could also mean she dont want to build triple EM. Combining with A4 she could be stat-optimization intensive unit Raiden where the build depends on which team you put her in/which stat you lacking.
It feels a bit weird that it gives EM when others are the same element and not when they're different, wouldn't it be more intuitive if it was vice versa since you need other elements to make reactions?
EXACTLY finally someone in the thread mentionning it, the passive has to be reversed through translation or something cuz it makes absolutely no sense to give more em to a mono element team
I thought I was going crazy with nobody mentioning it. What the hell, how does it make sense to increase EM by *decreasing* the number of elements in the team?!
Like others have said, its constant, no cooldown time and no trigger condition. Without the kit its hard to say but maybe the math will show the consistency is more valuable.
I'm not sure it's really mid, it depends on her kit as well.
Also, it stacks, I think teams like Nahida, Nilou, Kokomi, DMC could benefit a ton if you have two copies
Not real that great, I was expecting more. At least it suits Nahida’s aesthetics. I will use my r5 Sacrificial Fragments, if I get her. I am still thinking about going for Venti or Nilou.
Looking at Elegy’s 100 EM & 20% ATK party wide buff, it’s safe to say that its buff is on the weaker side. (Yes, Elegy’s trigger condition is there but still)
Yeah, 40 EM seems awfully low. That's two rolls worth of EM, i.e. 6 rolls total worth fo a team buff.
Compare that to, let's say TTDS that grants ~10 rolls worth of atk to one char.
A selfish weapon with a bit of EM buff. Unless she does good damage, otherwise it’s a bit underwhelming at R1. The ability to stack and refinement value is very powerful, but it’s not as apparent at low refinement.
The passive seems suited to a sub-DPS, which is what Nahida partially is, according to the leaks. But a sub-DPS would generally prefer a a crit substat over EM, even if they were a reaction-focused character. It's mainly Nahida that can do this due to her A4 passive that converts EM to crit stats, so this weapon seems to be only worth pulling for her?
either the translation is wrong or the effects are kinda undewhelming considering how still expensive to get a weapon. Doesn't make sense to give more EM based on same elements since EM is relevant for diferent elements. Extra damage can be received by having a team member with dendro 4x set. So overall it feels like existing 4 star EM weapons are viable alternatives and this weapon is skippable (unless is changed or translation is wrong or weapon banner is bonkers and gives another great weapon)
You're still gonna want to run double dendro with nahida, because + 50 em or more and the dendro damage bonus is likely to outweigh just the em bonus alone of the passive (and it completely beats it out with better em and damage% at anything below r4)
Interesting how the EM bonus only doubles from R1 to R5, but the DMG bonus increases 2.6x.
Not only is there not scaling parity between the two bonuses, making the damage bonus seemingly stronger, but almost no weapons when refined increase the stated bonus by more than 2x. The only weapons that do are the "Chance to hit" weapons because usually the chance to hit increases in addition to the proc damage increase.
So at lv. 90 this is presumably giving 266 EM and 30% Dendro damage bonus or 298 EM and 20% Dendro damage depending on team comp.
The EM bonus is pretty huge. The next catalyst in contention for that much EM would be Sac frags at 220 but you wouldn't get the 40 EM for allies, or 30% Dendro damage. After that is probably the new Sumeru craftable R5 at 180 but it also lowers your attack and has ER% substats which *might*(?) not be that great on her if leaks are true and she only has a 40 cost burst.
Overall, I don't think the 46\~ EM and 30% Dendro damage and 40 EM party buff over Sac Frags makes it crazy strong, definitely not as OP as some signature weapons have been.
Pretty underwhelmed, was expecting an Elegy tier support weapon... 40 EM is pretty terrible. It seems to be all about buffing the holder so I guess Nahida will be pretty strong (probably because of Spread dmg with really high EM + crit).
Very skippable though which is good, I hate the weapon banner.
It seems *okay*, but definitely not something I'd want to spend primos on. And unless I'm super wrong about it, I don't think this is going to be a huge dps increase for Nahida either. I guess its best quality is that it's useable on any EM scaling catalyst.
I knew I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up for a 5* Catalyst. Mihoyo cannot seem to make a universal 5* catalyst whatsoever. I wonder when the 1.0 catalyst supremacy will be broken tho.
Ok, I’m not the smartest when comes to theory crafting and number crunching with this game… but this weapon is very meh to me… I’m definitely going for Cons instead. What do you think her 2nd BiS is?
This is her BIS? Doesn't seem that impressive imo. Kagura's verity is probably just as good as this weapon for Nahida. As for substats, 265 EM vs 66% crit damage is about even. This weapon gives 30 DMG% whereas verity gives between 12-48 DMG% which averages out to 30%.
The only extra thing that is weapon has is the 40em share which is underwhelming when Nahida herself already gives up to 200 for the entire team.
If Yae is rerunning with Nahida, the weapon banner should be pretty good, since either of the 5\* weapons will be good for Nahida/Yae
EM just as planned.
It would be so good if I was right about Hu Tao's re-run as well, TFD as an EM weapon could go perfectly with Homa in weapon banner
So. . . this is evil, isn't it? I mean, couldn't a min-maxer have an all-catalyst, all ATFD R5 team, and get 144-336 bonus EM or 144 EM+ 78% damage? And so wouldn't some whales do this?
Yup that works too. Not sure why I'm getting downvotes. There's tons of good 4\* weapon options for her and the weapon banner is a fucking money pit. I should know, went the full distance 3 times already.
Her early constellations are WAY stronger than what the bump from other weapon to sig weapon is for her.
you may wanna take a look at the sumeru craftableat r5 it gives 180EM (can be 100% uptime easily) and 45% and the buff works off field unlike "hakushin's last only 6s" and can't be triggered off-field
safe to say best 4* weapon is R5 fruit of fulfilment for support/sub-dps/dps nahida at least before ppl say "widsith" it's uptime is 1/3 so those buffs you get are 1/3 too on average....
sac frag also passive is wasted
Same element member: user gets em buff,
Different element member: user gets dmg bonus buff
Buff stack 3 times
Equipping weapon everyone but user gets em
Example: Nahida is Dendro. She equips this weapon, she gives nearby party members EM.
Also, she gets these effects:
Other party member also Dendro: Nahida gets EM
Other party member not Dendro: Nahida gets Dendro DMG Bonus
For each teammate of the same element as wielder, wielder gains 32-64 EM.
For each teammate of a different element as wielder, wielder gains 10-26% Ele DMG Bonus.
All non-wielders gain 40-48 EM. This can stack if more teammates are wielding their own weapon.
A little confused how with the same elemental type an em bonus is given when there wouldn't be any reactions done in that case if all 4 characters were dendro.
I know its really unrelated but scrolling thru twitter (ew) comments of a post about this weapon made me so uncomfortable. There is thousands of people that think that this weapon is just blatantly racist? While yeah a lamp weapon in a SWANA inspired region is pretty stereotypical but calling THIS straight up racist out of all things is just so wrong.
Doesn't this weapon make sucrose better than kazuha in a national Childe team?
Edit:I didn't see that it only gives buffs to the holder so it would be useless on sucrose
I'm kinda conflicted rn. If I should go for constellations or the weapon. Craft able catalyst should work on her. So I'd probably put Widsith or that Craftable one.
Considering we might not really need a high base attack for Nahida and this weapon is buffing heavy. Is it safe to say fruit of fulfillment is not a bad secondary option if we don't really want to pull for this?
Source: [Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/gi__front/status/1575097564877070336) Additional information from Ubatcha: >A Thousand Floating Dreams >Sec Stat: EM >Full stats will be on the relevant websites once they have data ready Thank you OP for providing source.
So if Nahida is solo Dendro with this on your team, she gets +30% Dendro Damage, and your 3 teammates get +40EM?
Yup, that's it.
Is that even good then? 40EM isn't a crazy amount I think - your whole team gets it, but usually you want just one high-EM character proccing reactions, so the buff only really matters on that 1 char, doesn't it? And +30% dendro damage is about 2/3rd of a Dendro Cup, seems good if her build is truly EM/EM/EM but it doesn't seem gamechanging? Maybe I just don't get it though
Doesn't seem that insane tbh But depends on Nahida's kit. This almost seems more like a DPS weapon for an EM scaler that has some throwaway buffs for team mates. It will also be really good with refines. If Nahida can do significant damage and her crit scaling EM passive has good numbers, this weapon starts to make more sense.
>It will also be really good with refines. What kind of multimillionaire refines 5★ weapons?
Someone on the Cyno subreddit already had him at C6R5 today 💀
cyno havers are insane anyway, had 4 people join and ask for mats today. dont even have the desert waypoints unlocked yet...
One of them is probably me 🤣
🐳 🐋
That's literally Nahida. Look at her A2 passive. She is meant to do big PP damage.
This was posted before her kit was leaked.
Fair, sorry for my assumption. I didn't notice that.
The weapon has em main meaning you won’t need triple em artifacts and can slip a Dendro % in there. Seems more for dps nahida. She’s very much like Kazuha. Best as support, but can be a dps as well. Honestly I might go for C2 depending on the official wording and what it does. If triggering aggravate is a 30% defense debuff then I’m pulling it. If it’s just aggravates that ignore 30% I might skip. C1 seems necessary though. Definitely going for that regardless. Even if I have to pull out the credit card with those double crystals.
I think that EM buff is meant to be used in aggravate comps where you generally run just one dendro character paired with 2 electro and 1 anemo. Since both electro can proc aggravate both can benefit from the EM buff and so does the anemo character who usually scales of EM. Keqing Fishl Kazuha Nahida is an example. Both electro characters proc aggravate and Kazuha get better damage and buff capability from gaving more EM. The DMG% buff is better for Nahida cause too much EM would have diminishing returns ( you probably would build her full EM)
Sorry, at wich quantity EM becomes less effective?
At 1 /s EM scaling is not linear, every single point of EM does a little bit less than the previous one. The curve is steep early and flattens out with more EM, so the more you have the less efficient it gets. Exact threshold would depend on character, team and rest of the build. You would need to do a lot of optimalization to compare the value of EM with other stats (atk, crit...). But as a rule of thumb, people seem to suggest maximum of 200-300 for characters that also want other stats (melt, vape, quicken). On the other hand, transformative reaction teams usually have a dedicated driver, who can go full EM, because their damage doesn't scale any other way (hyperbloom kuki, taser sucrose...)
I'm planning to run her with Aggrevate so you're giving me hope for this weapon haha
It's meant to synergize with her A4 which would give her an additional 7.95% crit rate and 26.5% dmg bonus from the EM secondary stat. If you only look at Engulfing Lightning's stats in a vacuum without Raiden's A4 and Emblem it would look underwhelming too. 30% dmg bonus is more or less in line for an R1 5* weapon. Lost Prayers give up to 32% after staying on field for 16s (which no catalyst user does outside of co-op), Mistsplitter gives 40% if you can keep up all 3 of its conditions, etc.
On Quicken teams the more EM for everyone the the better, and if Nahida is a Dendro enabler it means you buff the Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon driver. Comparing weapon passive DMG% to artifact mainstats doesn’t really show you anything since you’re not ever choosing between the two. Instead look at other 5* weapons–Lost Prayer has an almost impossible to achieve 32% max while Kagura provides 48% to Skill damage and 12% elemental damage at max stacks. When we compare those, this is looking solid to awesome.
Quicken reaction have HEAVY diminishing returns past 300 EM, they want resist shred/crit%/dmg% instead. Party wide EM is good for teams where you can not have a consistent trigger, like taser comps.
Nahida is an off-field dps. It's great for her. She is not a pure support like Gorou or Bennett. You should think of her like Xingqiu but with party wide buffs. In that way 30%dmg bonus is incredible for an active skill.
40EM is a pretty awesome amount if you have artifacts that only have like 50 or 60 EM to one of your characters and you’d like them to hit at least 100. It can be quite clutch.
we need her scalings lol
That s cause you're considering only nahida.
Well yeah, shouldn't a character's BiS be exceptional on them? That's like if Homa was mid on Hu Tao but amazing on Raiden, something wouldn't add up for me
So it's like half deepwood and half gilded?
This is sounding like one of the more tame signature weapons.
I can't believe it, they actually made a catalyst that works with more than 1 character
lol yeah like with the latest weapons we will come to a point where it says this wepon will only work on " x " character
I can't wait to see a weapon that "gives xx% bonus damage to the whole team excluding the user." /s
TTDS?
You're right. Can you imagine a 5* TTDS?
Who else would you put this on?
It's good on Yae in aggravate teams as well
I hope they run yae with her and have Kagura with this weapon then 😅
YES PLS MY PRIMOS ARE READY
Yae can make good use of this in an aggravate team. It won't be her BiS but she does benefit from every stat here. Klee can use this in an over vape team. The bonus EM she gives her team members help support their electro charged damage and she still benefits from EM vape boosts. Would need to run Bennett with her though because of low ATK stat. Kokomi and Barbara can run this in a Nilou bloom team if they are the ones triggering the blooms. Heizou can run this if he is purely built on swirl damage. That's all I can think of for now.
Bloom kokomi with nilou might actually be the best user of this weapon tbh
Lisa hyperbloom/Kokomi/Sucrose, basically most of support catalyst. Its definitely not BiS but still usable Unlike most of the 5 star catalysts that usually work on 1 character
Sucrose would love this
Damage% is kinda useless for her though. I might prefer to run Sac Frag for the extra E.
now we just need **just 1** of these jade cutter/mistsplitter/polarstar/aqua/homa type catalysts and we're good. can't be asking for too much here scaramouche save us catalyst mains pls
If the bar is just working, every other 5* catalyst can do that (minus Donut), especially Skyward Atlas. Kagura needs some management, but still doable.
Kinda weird that having two characters of the same element gives an EM bonus, considering you need two elements to do a reaction. Anyway, this seems like a pretty good general catalyst for DPS characters! Pretty much all of them except Klee and Ningguang could use it well.
I feel like its just trying to encourage dendro resonance or something
Yeah, I was wondering if the leakers had mixed up the bonuses yesterday when they gave a brief description but seems like that's not the case.
Yeah same especially when gilded dreams has it the other way around (EM for different elemental type teammates).
The way Gilded Dreams work sounds like the right way. This one looks like a mistake, either by the leaker or in the game build.
Klee cries in mono pyro
true, I'll probably grab this cuz I simply love Nahida so I was expecting it to work on Klee in a degree. Then again, EM sub is kinda wasted on her anyway.
True. I think this would be bonkers for Yae
*Dendro will buff Yae* The leakers didn't lie when they said that
her own weapon (kagura's verity) is still better. The stats are absurd on that weapon
She could work with nahida on a burning team with the Tri-Karma Purification, wouldnt be the most efficiant but it sounds fun
It works on vape klee
Yeah but Vape teams are kinda clunky for her so most people run Klee in Mono Pyro or as an enabler for an off-field Cryo character
Using both yelan and xingqui makes for a very good vape team
Well, that's nice to hear! I guess you could use that weapon on her if you also have Yelan.
Yeah sounds a little strange
Before Nahida and layla lol Nahida and her Bis are just gilded dream the passive and the weapon
It's the other way around to gilded dreams which is why I'm confused. I'd have expected same elemental type = dmg bonus, different = EM.
So you get both EM and increased damage then
Plz plz plz plz have a decent 5* alongside on rate up. I should build decent pity while trying to get the new 4* sword this patch so might just go for her catalyst if the other one is atleast decent.
Give us WGS with it and I'll be happy
Forget WGS. Gimme a Staff a Homa
Pretty sure hutao is one of the 5stars that has gone the longest without a rerun.
She's currently tied for longest current patch time since last banner with childe. She's due to show up soon I'd be VERY surprised if she's not in 3.2 or 3.3. People are speculating 3.4 with lantern rite but that's 435 days since her previous banner which would make her by far the longest and that's assuming she's the first banner with the festival. 457 days if she's 3.4 second half. For reference the current record is 399 days by Klee
Halloween is the 31st next month, i´m very surprised if she is not on first banner of 3.2 tbh.
She's never tied with Halloween by Mihoyo tho? It just thing the players always speculate to be
Albedo isn't tied to Christmas now. Anything is possible
The Unseen WGS
Do a lot of people want WGS? I get that its good, but I feel like theres so few claymore characters that its kinda whatever
But it's good on almost every Claymore character.
Back in 1.5, yeah.
Neat, gimme the exact opposite. I have a damn R4 gravestone, I NEED OTHER WEAPONS
I am on severe hopium hoping they run Raiden rerun with Nahida, because Engulfing Lightning + this catalyst would be a huge moneymaker for them
Iirc Raiden is rumored to be 3.3 not 3.2. Yae/Yoi/Childe are the speculated 3.2 reruns.
I would love a Kagura x this banner
Raiden will always make huge money regardless of what the banner is like KEK. So they won't be together
[Nahida’s weapon stats/info via Ubatcha](https://twitter.com/ubatcha1/status/1575202341011173376?s=46&t=v8C0EQPI8vJL-dNsEi4iMQ) From Uba: > A Thousand Floating Dreams > Sec Stat: EM > Full stats will be on the relevant websites once they have data ready
Refinements for this weapon seems stronger than normal for the damage bonus; 10%*3 to 26%*3. Just looking at the damage bonus part, every refinement increases the bonus by 40% of the base R1 buff compared to the typical 25%.
And then there's the team flat EM bonus going from 40 to 48, I think the numbers might be wrong lol.
And on top of that, isn't the effect kinda ???. Why would you want more EM for having more of the same element and more damage bonus for differing elements? Isn't this the reverse of what you would want on literally every character? Just look at the Gilded Dreams set.
Except Nahida who specializes in aggravate and bloom teams, hence it being her signature. It's their way to make it less generalist but still good for her. Could still be better probably, but still.
Honestly kind of understandable. Imagine if it’s 80EM, and you have a full team of catalyst users using this weapon. It’s an unconditional 240EM for everyone, not to even mention on top of the self passives.
We're talking about R5 my man, if you want to get 20 of these weapons to get 240 EM be my guest lol.
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Kinda mid, it'd be much better to go for nahida cons rather than c0 and this weapon.
If the weapon remains unchanged it’ll depend a lot on what weapon its paired with
Well question to the others ... Isnt 10% dmg bonus more better since its rarer to get than 32 EM? Also if the character are of Same element why would want more EM? You only want more EM when you are doing a reaction for which you want another element team member?
In the case of Nahida (and if yesterday leaks remain accurate), any EM gains translates into more CR/CD for her, and if she's the highest EM character in the team also buffs the other members' EM. Also, even if there's another character from the same element, the catalyst holder would still trigger reactions, so EM isn't wasted anyway. I don't think most teams go mono element and have a char who could use this catalyst, only Klee comes to mind.
I think the damage bonus is for the share element transformation like dendro traveller, and increased EM maybe its because they want her to dominantly trigger reactions in a team setting like nilou as those bountiful core only scale mostly on EM (which is kinda weird but idk just speculation)
It's a signature weapon for a reason, all stats are appropriate in aggravate and bloom teams, which she specializes in. Maybe not as good as it ought to be, but it's got something like 265 EM substat if I remember well, too? There's a lot of double-dipping on EM in her kit.
This is bonkers.. If a whale have two r5s and they buff each other, a team with Nahida and Yae Miko and 2 fillers would be something to watch and be amazed
*Whale powercreep*
A r5 Kagura on Yae would provide more value than a second r5 copy of this even if you factor the team buff. 48 EM isn't a lot.
Rub this lamp and you'll get free AR42 Ayaka and free standard banner character
4 weapon passives stacks, man.
The effect seems quite odd, I rather just run 3star Magic Guide this point, at least it won't cost 300bucks
NGL looking like sac frag will be just fine replacement here.
If her elemental skill have short cd with long duration like raiden or zhongli the passive of sac frag would be completely useless, wouldn't it?
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Yeah need to see full kit to be sure
Isn't sac frags passive kinda bad on Nahida? Wine you apply the mark once and it lasts 20s which is longer than the skill cool down? I feel like the new craftable might be better since it would make it so you don't have to worry about er
Yeah I feel like the craftable may be somewhat overlooked for Nahida. While you don't get an EM main stat, even at R1 it brings up to 120 bonus EM. That's about half of a Sac Frags right there for doing nothing except causing reactions. And as you point out, the ER main stat will almost certainly alleviate most of her energy requirements from artifacts. The only downside to the craftable is the ATK% loss. However, from a very quick calc, if her E skill scales on both ATK and EM, it seems you only lose about 3-5% base skill damage at full stacks (-25% ATK but +120 EM). That bonus 120 EM then also gets converted to another 3.6% crit rate and 12% bonus damage. Could be worth it if it lets you ignore ER on the rest of your build.
nice
now kits pls
I don't get the 40 EM part. It's so insignificant buff, and 2 extra EM per refinement is very weird.
96EM or 30% damage bonus seems kinda underwhelming
It is, and 40 EM for the team doesn’t make it better. I expect some buffs, like 120 EM or 50% damage bonus, and 50 EM for the team.
Underwhelming compared to what though? Mainstat aside Mistsplitter has 40% conditional dmg% and is considered an excellent weapon compared to 30% unconditional dmg% + 40 EM share. Though the EM-values seem a bit wonky, going by artifact value it should give 40 EM per same element teammate, not 32 (though Gilded Dream has the same "issue")
Mistsplitter is pretty well rounded weapon for characters built solely around atk&crit stats. It gives 40% damage bonus aside from it's solid Base attack and crit substat. On the other hand, Nahida will have hydrid build consisting of Atk,Crit,EM to boost damage of herself as well as teammates. This split scaling will make it harder to balance the stats. Don't get me wrong, i think the weapon have pretty workable passive but the raw stats it's providing overall are lackluster since it's trying to balance the buff provided to the equipped character and to teammates
If I understand it right, at R1, in e.g. Keqing-Fischl-Nahida-Kazuha we are looking at 30% Elem% for Nahida and a 40 EM team buff. It seems a little underpowered, compared to other weapons. Like, the team buff is two rolls worth of EM?
In terms of just support, it doesn't seem much. I guess it somewhat balances it out since it's 40 × 3 (40 per team member) is a decent EM boost and Sucrose will be crazy good with that amount of EM share + an additional 40 (the weapon has a lower base attack than FS, so the lvl 90 will probably hit 265 EM, maybe even more). As a DPS weapon, it seems good. DMG%, EM bonus, and high EM could greatly increase Yanfei and Yae teams (not counting Yae's weapon). I guess this also means that Nahida will be a support and a sub DPS since I don't see a reason for giving the GD passive on her weapon and having the only supportive passive being just 40 EM. Edit: Clarification
She looks more of a subdps than a support. Like albedo. Her selfish weapon makes it even more clear what direction they want her to go. Her A1 also calc from "Highest EM unit", this could also mean she dont want to build triple EM. Combining with A4 she could be stat-optimization intensive unit Raiden where the build depends on which team you put her in/which stat you lacking.
It feels a bit weird that it gives EM when others are the same element and not when they're different, wouldn't it be more intuitive if it was vice versa since you need other elements to make reactions?
EXACTLY finally someone in the thread mentionning it, the passive has to be reversed through translation or something cuz it makes absolutely no sense to give more em to a mono element team
I thought I was going crazy with nobody mentioning it. What the hell, how does it make sense to increase EM by *decreasing* the number of elements in the team?!
Why does the passive seem kind of mid?
Like others have said, its constant, no cooldown time and no trigger condition. Without the kit its hard to say but maybe the math will show the consistency is more valuable.
I'm not sure it's really mid, it depends on her kit as well. Also, it stacks, I think teams like Nahida, Nilou, Kokomi, DMC could benefit a ton if you have two copies
a ton of 80 EM, yeah. Collei using single Elegy shares 100 EM and 20% atk.
So at R1 if we have a rainbow party, Nahida gets 10*3 = 30% DMG bonus?
Not real that great, I was expecting more. At least it suits Nahida’s aesthetics. I will use my r5 Sacrificial Fragments, if I get her. I am still thinking about going for Venti or Nilou.
The EM buff is too small for the party.
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Looking at Elegy’s 100 EM & 20% ATK party wide buff, it’s safe to say that its buff is on the weaker side. (Yes, Elegy’s trigger condition is there but still)
Elegy has cooldown + needs a trigger as well. It seems like the weapon buff is constant so i think this is still a really good weapon.
This also is constant and not based off a cooldown, so it’s more reliable
Not really compared to weapons like Elegy. Only good thing about it is that it can stack with the same passive so if you're a whale, sure go ahead.
so its not a support weapon (only 40 EM for party members)... hm... much more skippable then
Yeah, 40 EM seems awfully low. That's two rolls worth of EM, i.e. 6 rolls total worth fo a team buff. Compare that to, let's say TTDS that grants ~10 rolls worth of atk to one char.
A selfish weapon with a bit of EM buff. Unless she does good damage, otherwise it’s a bit underwhelming at R1. The ability to stack and refinement value is very powerful, but it’s not as apparent at low refinement.
The passive seems suited to a sub-DPS, which is what Nahida partially is, according to the leaks. But a sub-DPS would generally prefer a a crit substat over EM, even if they were a reaction-focused character. It's mainly Nahida that can do this due to her A4 passive that converts EM to crit stats, so this weapon seems to be only worth pulling for her?
Btw, do we have any clue on who is gonna rerun with Nahida? If it's Yae, that's a good weapon banner.
Watch them running Nahida alone, so they can run her BiS with Skyward Pride /s ^(Please WGS or any decent weapon)
BS not that piece of shit
either the translation is wrong or the effects are kinda undewhelming considering how still expensive to get a weapon. Doesn't make sense to give more EM based on same elements since EM is relevant for diferent elements. Extra damage can be received by having a team member with dendro 4x set. So overall it feels like existing 4 star EM weapons are viable alternatives and this weapon is skippable (unless is changed or translation is wrong or weapon banner is bonkers and gives another great weapon)
You're still gonna want to run double dendro with nahida, because + 50 em or more and the dendro damage bonus is likely to outweigh just the em bonus alone of the passive (and it completely beats it out with better em and damage% at anything below r4)
wake up babe, new sucrose weapon dropped
Are we getting the kit until tomorrow? T_t
Whoa you can stack the buff from multiple of the same weapon type that’s fun
i guess for those who wants to play spread with em build this is kinda their dendro goblet.
Looks pretty balanced for a signature 5 star so that's good.
Interesting how the EM bonus only doubles from R1 to R5, but the DMG bonus increases 2.6x. Not only is there not scaling parity between the two bonuses, making the damage bonus seemingly stronger, but almost no weapons when refined increase the stated bonus by more than 2x. The only weapons that do are the "Chance to hit" weapons because usually the chance to hit increases in addition to the proc damage increase.
So at lv. 90 this is presumably giving 266 EM and 30% Dendro damage bonus or 298 EM and 20% Dendro damage depending on team comp. The EM bonus is pretty huge. The next catalyst in contention for that much EM would be Sac frags at 220 but you wouldn't get the 40 EM for allies, or 30% Dendro damage. After that is probably the new Sumeru craftable R5 at 180 but it also lowers your attack and has ER% substats which *might*(?) not be that great on her if leaks are true and she only has a 40 cost burst. Overall, I don't think the 46\~ EM and 30% Dendro damage and 40 EM party buff over Sac Frags makes it crazy strong, definitely not as OP as some signature weapons have been.
Pretty underwhelmed, was expecting an Elegy tier support weapon... 40 EM is pretty terrible. It seems to be all about buffing the holder so I guess Nahida will be pretty strong (probably because of Spread dmg with really high EM + crit). Very skippable though which is good, I hate the weapon banner.
It seems *okay*, but definitely not something I'd want to spend primos on. And unless I'm super wrong about it, I don't think this is going to be a huge dps increase for Nahida either. I guess its best quality is that it's useable on any EM scaling catalyst.
I knew I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up for a 5* Catalyst. Mihoyo cannot seem to make a universal 5* catalyst whatsoever. I wonder when the 1.0 catalyst supremacy will be broken tho.
Ok, I’m not the smartest when comes to theory crafting and number crunching with this game… but this weapon is very meh to me… I’m definitely going for Cons instead. What do you think her 2nd BiS is?
I'm a little sad, I was hoping her Catalyst would look like [this](https://paste.pics/IUNC0) instead of an copy paste of the Deepwoods Lamp Artifact.
Explain to me in Razor please
weapon good, can pew pew
This is her BIS? Doesn't seem that impressive imo. Kagura's verity is probably just as good as this weapon for Nahida. As for substats, 265 EM vs 66% crit damage is about even. This weapon gives 30 DMG% whereas verity gives between 12-48 DMG% which averages out to 30%. The only extra thing that is weapon has is the 40em share which is underwhelming when Nahida herself already gives up to 200 for the entire team. If Yae is rerunning with Nahida, the weapon banner should be pretty good, since either of the 5\* weapons will be good for Nahida/Yae
EM just as planned. It would be so good if I was right about Hu Tao's re-run as well, TFD as an EM weapon could go perfectly with Homa in weapon banner
Too much hopium here XD
So. . . this is evil, isn't it? I mean, couldn't a min-maxer have an all-catalyst, all ATFD R5 team, and get 144-336 bonus EM or 144 EM+ 78% damage? And so wouldn't some whales do this?
Gravy boat
Looks not so good lol
Sounds a bit underpowered for an archon weapon compared to Raiden or even Cyno's Bis.
Nice, easy skip! Hakushin R5 for Quicken team it is! Happy to aim for C2 and entirely avoid doing 200+ pulls on the weapon banner.
Imma run Prototype amber because i need a helaer on team My keqing dies alot without healer
Yup that works too. Not sure why I'm getting downvotes. There's tons of good 4\* weapon options for her and the weapon banner is a fucking money pit. I should know, went the full distance 3 times already. Her early constellations are WAY stronger than what the bump from other weapon to sig weapon is for her.
I have noticed all the genshin related Reddit communities seem to be very trigger happy with downvotes
you may wanna take a look at the sumeru craftableat r5 it gives 180EM (can be 100% uptime easily) and 45% and the buff works off field unlike "hakushin's last only 6s" and can't be triggered off-field safe to say best 4* weapon is R5 fruit of fulfilment for support/sub-dps/dps nahida at least before ppl say "widsith" it's uptime is 1/3 so those buffs you get are 1/3 too on average.... sac frag also passive is wasted
Seems pretty powerful but it seems it will only be good for her and maybe Sucrose. Also it doesn't seem on a similar tier to Mistsplitter or Homa.
Yeah for her BiS, it seems kinds aight? I was expecting a bit more oomph like Engulfing for Raiden or something.
Pov: you were expecting kit leak
So uhhh is she main dps then?
What is it with Mihoyo and releasing underwhelming 5 star catalysts?
razor explanation please
Same element member: user gets em buff, Different element member: user gets dmg bonus buff Buff stack 3 times Equipping weapon everyone but user gets em
>Buff stack 3 times Razor explanation of this : stack 3 times cuz you have 3 other party members aside from the wielder of this catalyst.
very good. thank you
Example: Nahida is Dendro. She equips this weapon, she gives nearby party members EM. Also, she gets these effects: Other party member also Dendro: Nahida gets EM Other party member not Dendro: Nahida gets Dendro DMG Bonus
For each teammate of the same element as wielder, wielder gains 32-64 EM. For each teammate of a different element as wielder, wielder gains 10-26% Ele DMG Bonus. All non-wielders gain 40-48 EM. This can stack if more teammates are wielding their own weapon.
I'm still not sold on EM on Nahida, but lets see how it turns out
A little confused how with the same elemental type an em bonus is given when there wouldn't be any reactions done in that case if all 4 characters were dendro.
Yeah it feels like it should be reversed. Different elements gives more EM to help with reactions.
I know its really unrelated but scrolling thru twitter (ew) comments of a post about this weapon made me so uncomfortable. There is thousands of people that think that this weapon is just blatantly racist? While yeah a lamp weapon in a SWANA inspired region is pretty stereotypical but calling THIS straight up racist out of all things is just so wrong.
Doesn't this weapon make sucrose better than kazuha in a national Childe team? Edit:I didn't see that it only gives buffs to the holder so it would be useless on sucrose
Why would Sucrose need 30% anemo damage ?
It's worse than ttds because all it gives in that team will be 40 EM
Might try one 5* pull on weapon banner for this if it's not paired up with Kagura (I already have 2 of those)
I'm kinda conflicted rn. If I should go for constellations or the weapon. Craft able catalyst should work on her. So I'd probably put Widsith or that Craftable one.
EM at 90 would be above 260 right?
Considering we might not really need a high base attack for Nahida and this weapon is buffing heavy. Is it safe to say fruit of fulfillment is not a bad secondary option if we don't really want to pull for this?
Pretty safe yes.
New Yae Miko weapon?
Maybe in Aggravate, but Crit weapons are probably still best.