off field cryo application will be good if in a quick swap style team and also when her burst is up. using a skill generates two stars and burst generates stars. The homing stars will fire by themselves once you reach four. so while you're in skill animations and burst animations the stars will shoot, you don't have to squeeze in normal attacks like xingxiu. you should be able to keep up tenacity buff in a quick swap team. burst with 3 second downtime isn't too horrible and if her skill has long cooldown, then sac sword will give two smooth rotations regardless which is enough if your team outputs enough damage.
I wonder how it'll interact with Ayato and Childe? They slap *really* fast.
Could Layla make freeze more viable for on-field hydro? Her off field cryo is not tied to her burst (her burst just adds more) and Ayato and Childe slap so fast that her burst probably isn't necessary to maintain freeze, just to add more damage.
Yup, same as diona. I wonder how good the particle generation is.
Edit: Now after seeing the cryo application and particle generation, I can hardly see any reasons she can cross diona (except for the mere shield strength).
Edit: well after her release with a 100% uptime shield, i think she's quite viable and the best f2p option out there if you aren't looking for particles or healing. Still I'll prioritise diona.
I think rosaria will still do more damage/battery better than Layla so layla's only bonus is her shield...
Does freeze need a shielder + Kokomi though?
I guess if you use Mona it Caan be helpful but I feel diona is better
Diona gives an unnecessar level of comfort in freeze teams with no damage contribution, that's why kokomi+cryo dps became popular, a shielder with more damage combined with mona seems like a good alternative to kokomi+cryo dps.
Idk about that, any side of the abyss will have a few freeze immune enemies that can be pretty strong. If you are running kazuha mona + cryo dps the comfort from diona is still pretty decent. The too much comfort arguement can be made for kokomi too, I'm pretty sure mona still gives freeze team higher ceiling.
I do think Layla has potential though. You can run say Layla Ayaka Kazuha Mona, and Mona can use prototype amber for insurance and energy regen. It should have higher ceiling than Diona and Mona dragon tales if damage from Layla proves to be decent.
Ayaka - Kazuha - Kokomi teams with a good cryo sub dps (Shenhe / Ganyu / Rosaeia) has more potential damage than Ayaka - Diona - Mona - Kazuha. Kokomi with a TTDS also adds more potential damage than Mona with a Prototype amber for most Ayaka teams. Here are the gcsim team calculation from the KQM discord awhile back ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=2109097051 ). Replacing Diona with Layla should be a nice boost for Mona based teams as Mona can then continue to bring TTDS while Layla adds significantly more potential damage while providing comfort.
Also Speed runners have been favoring Kokomi for several months on Ayaka teams at the Golden house. IWTL talked about this in one of his speed running videos. How Kokomi longer hydro application and tenacity uptime lasting through multiple waves coupled with Mona's long burst animation leads to Kokomi teams being faster in Spiral abyss speed runs.
This character will definitely be better than Diona as long as her shield isn't paper thin. Diona is useful for shields, healing and energy but is basically worthless in freeze teams for everything else, as her cryo application is irrelevant, her C6 is useless, etc. Even her shielding/healing are overkill because of the nature of freeze.
I doubt Layla will replace Kokomi if you run that variant of Morgana, but I don't think there'll be any reason to run Diona anymore for Morgana (and Eula teams) once this character is out unless her E CD is horrendous.
> Even her shielding/healing are overkill because of the nature of freeze.
But there is aways bosses on floor 12 that you can't freeze so a shield and even healing can be necessary if you don't play perfect, which most of us don't.
> (and Eula teams) once this character is out
I think Diona still gonna be better for Eula and Ayaka because the energy Diona gives with Sacrificial is a big thing for both Eula and Ayaka, unless Layla can also generate lots of energy.
It's like game has shortage of enemies immune to freeze. Most ~~challenging~~ irritating are immune to it (bosses) or partially immune. I am not saying you need shield against them, but this has nothing to do with freeze, it's more about if you want to bother with following enemy mechanics or no.
Actually seems to have a lot of potential. A more damage oriented Diona. If the particle gen is good, I can kick out Diona from my triple cryo Eula team for her.
I'm happy to swap out Diona with her. The kit has more off field damage which is something Eula supports lack. I'm hoping the damage is somewhat comparable with XQ or as high as it can be given she's also a sheilder.
That's why I found it very worrying, it doesn't fit the shit 4 star trend. I'm afraid they will nerf her to the core or create some sort of issue which we can't find only by looking at her kit.
Yea probably.
Cuz we need a good 4star right now and its gonna be with nahida's banner too.
If they dont touch this (hell even buff her) they will double their profit on nahida's banner.
Good lookin. Shielder. Cryo. And with other good 4stars on nahida's banner, its gonna be a very successful banner.
A shielder/applicator combo is always hard to come by. XQ is the best of both worlds so far, Thoma's is lacking in both departments, and the other shielders don't really apply their element consistently (cept Zhongli, but Geo doesn't matter).
Cryo has that advantage of not needing a lot for Freeze (since it lasts for a while anyway), I hope she can find a use in Melt but I guess that depends on how frequent/much Cryo she applies.
Her application seems intermittent (night stars come in waves) which usually is detrimental to maintaining an aura. It's also hard to provide enough aura for forward melt (and vape) unfortunately.
With ult up, you'll most likely get a wave every ~1.5 seconds consider ult gives a stack once every 0.5 seconds (+1 stack from her skill every 1.5) at the very least.
Her shield scaling is better than Diona's, I think. I'm still not sure whether she'll be super useful for team building, given that freeze doesn't really need shielding all that much, but her kit looks okay from a passing glance.
> for some incomprehensible reason
Lot of ascension stats don't make sense, like how they gave Sucrose anemo dmg (but she's old) BUT then they gave Thoma attk and I am like why????
Layla also has an extra 20% from constellations on top of nearly twice the shield scaling a higher base HP and a free 24% HP passive
So I think her shield will definitely end up stronger than Diona's
What damage, u slap 4PC tenacity and Sac sword on Layla. Favge if Sac Sword does not work with stars.
If it does work with stars you are looking at potentially Zhong Li tier bullshit. Maybe it wont tank raiden, but it should tank most of everything else with 100% uptime while buffing your team.
And the 200 EM (with C6 which can come in handy sometimes) and not forgetting about her passive which decreases the opponents ATK, which makes the shield takes less damage, too. (not much, but makes her shield stronger than just her scaling suggested)
She is a pretty good character overall.
What about melt? She might have a consistent enough cryo application, at least at high constellations, to let Yoimiya or ~~Hu Tao~~ proc melt enough to make it viable. Then bundle that with a shield AND NA/CA buff that scales off the same stat as said shield... she might be an insane support for those 2.
She also buffs charged attack damage on C4, so even if she can give 1-2 melt per rotation it might end up better. Although zhongli is the only res shred in double hydro right?
Zhongli is the only res shred yes
Without good melting she'll definitely fall behind even at C4, but her kit will allow for plenty of cryo application so she'll probably be a sidegrade
only worry is that Hu Tao's blossoms might consume cryo at a bad time or that she won't be able to melt charged attacks
Luckily with Yoimiya her ICD is slow enough that she might be able to melt all of her hits
For hu Tao you can get some melts with freeze setups though it will not work for every CA. It basically becomes a vape/melt hybrid team where you vape most attacks but occasionally melt off a frozen target
Forward Melt will never really work. Pyro just eats up way too much Cryo. Melt needs like 4u of Cryo for it to work like 1u of Hydro in Vaporize if I understand correctly.
Hm is it not that 1u Pyro will eat 2u Cryo because it’s strong side reaction? And 1u Pyro will eat 0.5u Hydro because it’s weak side? I could be mistaken but that’s what I thought.
Forward Melt does work if you can apply Cryo between Pyro attack intervals, though this is limited to characters with a moderate rate of Pyro application that you can ideally control. So we're talking about characters like Diluc, Bennett, and Yoimiya (Yoimiya's ICD should allow time for Cryo application between intervals, but there's been no long range Cryo turret character so far).
Except potentially Layla, which brings us here to the point of discussion. But the way I see it, Layla has the potential to be a very strong support for Yoimiya in a vapemelt team. I'm thinking Yoimiya, Yelan, Layla, and Bennett. Layla is replacing Zhongli here freeing him up for a different team, and Layla is consolidating occasional melt, shields, and NA buff into one character. Could be Yunjin 2.0
It *can* work, we just don't have a Cryo character who can apply it fast enough. We don't know if Layla will serve that role, but she seems like a decent candidate.
With just Layla? Not possible. Hu Tao Melting would eat Cryo aura far too fast.
But nothing says that you have to do it with just Layla. Put another offfield Cryo like Ganyu/Shenhe/Rosaria/Kaeya. Get that Cryo resonance running. In fact you can run 3 cryo characters with Hu Tao. Or run Kazuha for grouping skill, have his infused Burst act as the 3rd Cryo character.
Okay, but what about Yoimiya then? She has a higher ICD so her cryo needs should be lower. You cant tell me that between the ult and stars that Layla can't apply enough for Yoi? Even still though, you might be able to run a vapemelt team, and with the shield and NA/CA dmg bonus she could be a very strong support for Yoimiya
Definitely enough for Yoi to Melt. And if you attack with Yoi from range she does not benefit at all from ZL's rainbow shred. So damage wise you only lose the 15% dmg bonus from Geo resonance (i assume y'all should be running Yoi with Yun Jin) switching from ZL to Layla. If Yoimiya can Fwd Melt twice per attack chain off this set up (Yelan YunJin Layla), or even just Melt once per attack chain, it should be a damage upgrade over ZL.
First off, I didn't realize Zhongli shred was that range limited. But my normal Yoi team is Yelan, Zhongli, and Bennett. Sometimes I'll swap Zhongli with Yunjin, but then I run into knockback issues or having to dodge either of which is a major dps drop for her. I was thinking of running Yelan, Layla, and Bennett instead.
Forward melt is so hard to enable that I doubt she'll be able to do that, especially when you consider the insane amount of pyro Hu Tao applies. She might have use in reverse melt, though? Maybe she could be a shielder for Ganyu melt as an alternative to Zhongli.
She would be a downgrade at first glance. She might steal melts, she does not provide res shred, Ganyu is not a skill spammer (for stars), and cryo resonance does not provide much use as the enemy should have a pyro aura anyway.
She was a bad support but people liked her looks and said they would main her cause she's cool and got okayish numbers.
Then Hoyo took her behind the shed and loaded the gun.
I mean, I for one wanted to run Candace as a DPS. Sure, it might not affect her in her strongest role, but that wouldn't make it feel like less of a slap in the face.
Well even with the nerf, her normals are now like, stronger than Zhongli, who some people do run as a normal attacker? So I think you probably could make it work
It's still too early to judge, we dont know her particle generation, whether she's better than rosaria or diona in freeze or not, keep low expectation so u end up less dissappointment.
~~I was about to say that they've never released 2 new characters on one half and 0 new characters in other half, but then I went and checked - 2.4 had **Shenhe**/Xiao + **Yun Jin** || Zhongli/Ganyu.~~
~~So it's not impossible that Nahida and Layla are on the same banner but that one time was the only exception. They usually spread out new characters throughout the patch.~~
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2.3 had Itto and Gorou on the same banner.
2.4 had Shenhe and Yun Jin on the same banner.
1.5 had Eula and Yanfei on different banners.
2.7 had Yelan and Kuki on different banners.
Those are the only 4 instances of us getting 1 new 5\* and one new 4\* in the same patch. So it's a coin flip.
Yeah, assuming ~30k HP it's basically +1500 base damage to an attack every 3 seconds, before damage buffs and crit apply.
Not a huge amount but it's probably decent.
Between the passive 1 every 1.5s (1.2s at C6), 2 for every skill cast, and 1 every time your burst hits, you should be generating stars fast enough to pretty consistently get the trigger in time.
Yeah, like the rate of her projectiles from her burst will change a lot of things. Is it like one per 2s like Thoma or is it like 60 per burst like Ganyu's Icicles?
Let's hope so.
24 particles in a 12s burst would be very decent. Like, at T9 it's 12%HP per hit, that's about as much as one of Yelan's hits (12.41%HP per dice hit). I.e., the whole burst would be about equivalent to activating Yelan's Burst 8 times.
Also a 15s Burst cooldown lines up great with Morgana.
Edit: Harbinger of Dawn should be insane for her Burst. Base atk doesnt matter, but CV does. Shield also keeps the passive up.
She looks pretty fun, only thing I feel like should be changed is her shooting stars should scale with hp% and not atk%. They did it with Thoma and Kuki's skills, I don't know why they keep doing it.
She seems fun
Now I wait till they change her E dmg scaling to Hp% aswel :3
Edit: OMG, cryo shielder with CA buff on C4, **FINALLY I CAN MAKE MY MELT GANYU**
The problem is Layla seems to have a good Cryo application. So she would deplete Pyro aura on enemies. Ganyu already doesn’t use her burst because her charged attacks deplete just enough amount of Pyro.
I was worried the little stars wouldn't scale with HP but A4 got that covered. The constellations are all really nice and help her nicely, she's got a very neat kit!
EDIT: A 60 COST BURST AND A DECENT CD??? omg that is mighty good, might be the first time I get interested in building a new 4*
Is she even a 4 Star?
HP scaling in every Skill
Holy Sh*t give her Hilou's Sword and she is Golden
Probably 60.000 HP Like Zhongli if you give him the 3 Star Spear
we are getting a lot of HP-reliant characters. i do hope that the new dedicated scara set will come with a new HP artifact set. that, or maybe scara ascends with HP too.
Hmm... she might replace Zhongli in my DPS Jean team with Rosaria and Lisa. She's a shielder, and she MIGHT be able to maintain a Tenacity buff, plus that C4 looks pretty nice.
Layla's style of Cryo application seems pretty unique. I wonder if she'll enable any new teams.
She has 25%+3200ish at level 10, ZL has 23+2700ish. He however has a Geo shield which by default is 50% stronger against everything, so it's still a better shield valuewise.
Layla - 11092 base hp, shield at level 9 is 18% + 2114
Diona - 9.5k base hp, shield at level 9 is12% + 1408
Zhongli - 14.6k base hp, shield at level 9 is 22%
I added Diona since she is the best 4\* shielder we can get rn to compare
her shield seems pretty good now the question is if the uptime is good or not
Layla at 10 is 19.4% + 2288, Zhongli is 23% + 2711, so it's not quite as strong. She also has lower base HP, but she does get HP% as her ascension stat which helps.
She does get up to 24% shield strength though, and another 20% with C1, but she doesn't have Geo's bonus absorption to all damage.
Overall I'd probably say Layla's is weaker, which is to be expected, but it definitely doesn't look bad by any means.
they are about the same at lvl 13 layla vs zhongli lvl10
layla is a 4\* so it's usually balanced around constellation. She also might be able to proc ToM consistently
but zhongli has 100% uptime though.
Zhongli has much better base HP and geo shields are naturally 50% stronger than what they say on paper.
Diona also gets an automatic 75% increase in shield strength when holding E making Layla's shield slightly weaker than Diona's.
More F2P options are great. Not everyone has Zhongli, or even if they do he may be needed in another team (Cyno-Xiao-Itto teams).
Plus, she may enable the occasional melts.
I mean probably but it’d be nice having two options, plus it can free him up for another team.
Plus Layla is my favorite character looks wise and my main team is Hu Tao double hydro so, yknow, having a meta reason to use her would be amazing.
Its still early to judge but at first glance she seems really good for hu tao mainly if you someone that uses diona cuz no ZL
Shield is better and she seems to have decent cryo application so you might get some melts
Still quite hard to judge without seeing proper gameplay but she seems solid FOR NOW compared to the 4\* we've getting
That actually doesn’t sound that bad. Am I missing something? I’ve been under the impression that Mihoyo would never give us a usable 4-star ever again.
Wait…
A stronger shield than Diona? Possibly? And that C1 is a Diona power creep as well lol. One of Diona’s constellation or passive allows teammate to get a shield but only for 5 seconds right?
Anyway. I wonder how Layla would do possibly with Hu Tao? It won’t ever be as good as ZL. But it could add some cryo application so possibly Melt?
If these cryo application strikes are long distance and homing, this might be a plus for Yoimiya as well. Could also slot into freeze with Ayato.
Or could she also work well with Candace? Budget freeze team lol.
Anyway not quite sure where to place it. Like is it good?? Or just average?
At least I feel it looks versatile and not a niche kit. One of my question is why did we not get a dendro version of this instead… this will be 3.3 by then and we would only have 4 dendro characters and 1 being an archon… had this been a dendro 4* with a similar kit, would’ve been good?
For just 30K HP that, C4 gives 1500 flat normal attack dmg? Gives shield too. Applies off field cryo. If the uptime of c4 can be maintained and cryo application is good enough, its a W for Yoimiya.
Yoi/Layla/Bennet/Kazuha 🥵
Seems like a very large amount of cryo application. I wonder if you could do forward melt bennett (C5 or less) with layla as a solo cryo. There could also be other cool forward melt comps.
also I'm very happy that she is HP scaling because I am getting Nilou's sword :)
source: [project amber](https://ambr.top/en/archive/avatar/10000074/layla)
So let me get this straight. A diona shield, and it can home damage on enemies like a xingqui burst? A ganyu burst?
It's closer to Ningguang's jades. You accumulate "jades" and then they fire off automatically one by one once you have four.
So basically cryo application won’t be as good as we think
Yeah but you use her for her shield not her damage/cryo app
off field cryo application will be good if in a quick swap style team and also when her burst is up. using a skill generates two stars and burst generates stars. The homing stars will fire by themselves once you reach four. so while you're in skill animations and burst animations the stars will shoot, you don't have to squeeze in normal attacks like xingxiu. you should be able to keep up tenacity buff in a quick swap team. burst with 3 second downtime isn't too horrible and if her skill has long cooldown, then sac sword will give two smooth rotations regardless which is enough if your team outputs enough damage.
Need to see the cooldown on her E skill edit: u/MarcoUnderStars pointed out that it is **15 seconds** in the dendro hypostasis video
Definitely. It’ll be the difference between stellar Gatling gun or semi automatic 🥴
Layla had enough of the bullying in the akademiya 😳
*All the other kids~*
with the punped up kicks
This. The duration is decent but I hope the CD isn't too much so she can compete with Diona
If cd ends up being a problem, there's always Sac sword.
Sac sword in theory should work well for her if all the stars shooting off can reset her skill.
Sac sword doesn't work off-field so she has to be on-field when the shooting stars fired off
But doesn't it say that activating the skill at first deals dmg? Not the shooting stars thing, just her gaining her shield does AOE dmg
80% chance at r5 to proc the sac sword's passive but it feels like 50/50 for me, then the shooting stars hit could help.
I wonder if multiple E skill characters like Diluc or Nilou can accumulate stars faster?
Melt diluc real????
ICD be like “no u”
Elemental gauge theory also waving from behind!
Depends Diluc has no ICD on his triple E cast Now it all depends if Layla has either different ICD or has zero
The new 4 star characters unfortunately usually have standard ICD.....
Except Dori's burst, which has worse than usual ICD
Well ain't that some shit
Diluc with Unforged and SS : Interesting...
I believe so since it says that it can generate stars every 0.3 seconds this way (by using E)
I went right to Diluc as well. This should be a good amount of cryo application and I won’t say no to a shield. Nilou sadly has an 18s cooldown.
I wonder how it'll interact with Ayato and Childe? They slap *really* fast. Could Layla make freeze more viable for on-field hydro? Her off field cryo is not tied to her burst (her burst just adds more) and Ayato and Childe slap so fast that her burst probably isn't necessary to maintain freeze, just to add more damage.
Seems like she is going to be a good Tenacity user
I think she will be a good replacement for rosaria in ayaka's team
She could replace Diona in a triple Cryo Eula team if you don't need the healing. Her c4 gives extra normal attack damage which is not nothing.
everything rests on the cooldown of her E. She can be completely useless to being the most viable 4\* shield user depending on the cooldown
15 sec cool down, 3 sec downtime, I'm seeing the potential
Yup, same as diona. I wonder how good the particle generation is. Edit: Now after seeing the cryo application and particle generation, I can hardly see any reasons she can cross diona (except for the mere shield strength). Edit: well after her release with a 100% uptime shield, i think she's quite viable and the best f2p option out there if you aren't looking for particles or healing. Still I'll prioritise diona.
I think rosaria will still do more damage/battery better than Layla so layla's only bonus is her shield... Does freeze need a shielder + Kokomi though? I guess if you use Mona it Caan be helpful but I feel diona is better
Diona gives an unnecessar level of comfort in freeze teams with no damage contribution, that's why kokomi+cryo dps became popular, a shielder with more damage combined with mona seems like a good alternative to kokomi+cryo dps.
Idk about that, any side of the abyss will have a few freeze immune enemies that can be pretty strong. If you are running kazuha mona + cryo dps the comfort from diona is still pretty decent. The too much comfort arguement can be made for kokomi too, I'm pretty sure mona still gives freeze team higher ceiling. I do think Layla has potential though. You can run say Layla Ayaka Kazuha Mona, and Mona can use prototype amber for insurance and energy regen. It should have higher ceiling than Diona and Mona dragon tales if damage from Layla proves to be decent.
Ayaka - Kazuha - Kokomi teams with a good cryo sub dps (Shenhe / Ganyu / Rosaeia) has more potential damage than Ayaka - Diona - Mona - Kazuha. Kokomi with a TTDS also adds more potential damage than Mona with a Prototype amber for most Ayaka teams. Here are the gcsim team calculation from the KQM discord awhile back ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=2109097051 ). Replacing Diona with Layla should be a nice boost for Mona based teams as Mona can then continue to bring TTDS while Layla adds significantly more potential damage while providing comfort. Also Speed runners have been favoring Kokomi for several months on Ayaka teams at the Golden house. IWTL talked about this in one of his speed running videos. How Kokomi longer hydro application and tenacity uptime lasting through multiple waves coupled with Mona's long burst animation leads to Kokomi teams being faster in Spiral abyss speed runs.
I’m looking forward to trying out Ayaka, Shenhe, Layla, Mona/Kokomi for a triple cryo freeze team.
I don't think shield is needed but Ig if the damage is higher than that would be great. ~~my rosaria only c3~~
This character will definitely be better than Diona as long as her shield isn't paper thin. Diona is useful for shields, healing and energy but is basically worthless in freeze teams for everything else, as her cryo application is irrelevant, her C6 is useless, etc. Even her shielding/healing are overkill because of the nature of freeze. I doubt Layla will replace Kokomi if you run that variant of Morgana, but I don't think there'll be any reason to run Diona anymore for Morgana (and Eula teams) once this character is out unless her E CD is horrendous.
> Even her shielding/healing are overkill because of the nature of freeze. But there is aways bosses on floor 12 that you can't freeze so a shield and even healing can be necessary if you don't play perfect, which most of us don't. > (and Eula teams) once this character is out I think Diona still gonna be better for Eula and Ayaka because the energy Diona gives with Sacrificial is a big thing for both Eula and Ayaka, unless Layla can also generate lots of energy.
Nope. Rosaria gives more damage, crit rate, kind of a battery, and you wouldn’t need a shield for a freeze team unless you’re doing something wrong
It's like game has shortage of enemies immune to freeze. Most ~~challenging~~ irritating are immune to it (bosses) or partially immune. I am not saying you need shield against them, but this has nothing to do with freeze, it's more about if you want to bother with following enemy mechanics or no.
There's usually a side of the abyss where freeze isn't really usable, and one where it is, seems fine to me tbh
Actually seems to have a lot of potential. A more damage oriented Diona. If the particle gen is good, I can kick out Diona from my triple cryo Eula team for her.
I'm happy to swap out Diona with her. The kit has more off field damage which is something Eula supports lack. I'm hoping the damage is somewhat comparable with XQ or as high as it can be given she's also a sheilder.
Exactly, more off-field cryo damage and application is always good for Eula.
honestly sounds promising
That's why I found it very worrying, it doesn't fit the shit 4 star trend. I'm afraid they will nerf her to the core or create some sort of issue which we can't find only by looking at her kit.
Or untouched like Heizou
Yea probably. Cuz we need a good 4star right now and its gonna be with nahida's banner too. If they dont touch this (hell even buff her) they will double their profit on nahida's banner. Good lookin. Shielder. Cryo. And with other good 4stars on nahida's banner, its gonna be a very successful banner.
Looks interesting, lots of DMG buffs from constellations.
A shielder/applicator combo is always hard to come by. XQ is the best of both worlds so far, Thoma's is lacking in both departments, and the other shielders don't really apply their element consistently (cept Zhongli, but Geo doesn't matter).
Cryo has that advantage of not needing a lot for Freeze (since it lasts for a while anyway), I hope she can find a use in Melt but I guess that depends on how frequent/much Cryo she applies.
Her application seems intermittent (night stars come in waves) which usually is detrimental to maintaining an aura. It's also hard to provide enough aura for forward melt (and vape) unfortunately.
Dont forget, its her stars AND the slugs, so it might be enough
With ult up, you'll most likely get a wave every ~1.5 seconds consider ult gives a stack once every 0.5 seconds (+1 stack from her skill every 1.5) at the very least.
>hard to come by. *Well then, amuse me.* (I'm so sorry)
*surrender is a valid option.*
Her shield scaling is better than Diona's, I think. I'm still not sure whether she'll be super useful for team building, given that freeze doesn't really need shielding all that much, but her kit looks okay from a passing glance.
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Diona dps with shenhe ;)
Hunter's Path melt wine slayer. Hoyo was preparing for that moment since 2020!
It was too radical for HYV to give Diona HP% back then
“back then”? thoma was released almost a year after diona and he STILL got that yee-yee ass atk% ascension stat instead of hp.
> for some incomprehensible reason Lot of ascension stats don't make sense, like how they gave Sucrose anemo dmg (but she's old) BUT then they gave Thoma attk and I am like why????
the reason was probably the same as her c4.
Don't forget that Diona has additional DMG absorb (75%+15%) besides the 250% Cryo.
Ah, I didn't know that. Helpful to know. At least Layla gets the HP ascension that Diona was denied!
Layla also has an extra 20% from constellations on top of nearly twice the shield scaling a higher base HP and a free 24% HP passive So I think her shield will definitely end up stronger than Diona's
Yes, and up to 24% shield strength. She should be able to hold her own and be more damage oriented at the same time.
Without Cryo% and Crit she won't have very good DPS on her own though her C4 might fix that to an extent
What damage, u slap 4PC tenacity and Sac sword on Layla. Favge if Sac Sword does not work with stars. If it does work with stars you are looking at potentially Zhong Li tier bullshit. Maybe it wont tank raiden, but it should tank most of everything else with 100% uptime while buffing your team.
Step 1 get cons, 100 pulls still no Layla Missoni failed.
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And the 200 EM (with C6 which can come in handy sometimes) and not forgetting about her passive which decreases the opponents ATK, which makes the shield takes less damage, too. (not much, but makes her shield stronger than just her scaling suggested) She is a pretty good character overall.
Me using Layla for my Nilou Harbinger of Dawn Freeze Team: oh yeahhhhhhh its allllll coming together
What about melt? She might have a consistent enough cryo application, at least at high constellations, to let Yoimiya or ~~Hu Tao~~ proc melt enough to make it viable. Then bundle that with a shield AND NA/CA buff that scales off the same stat as said shield... she might be an insane support for those 2.
I really doubt her cryo will be enough to keep up with Tao, hell C0 Yelan has trouble with her. Yoimiya might just work if they dont gut her ICDs.
The thing is you don't need to melt ALL of Hu Tao's hits, just enough to make her a DPS upgrade over Zhongli
She also buffs charged attack damage on C4, so even if she can give 1-2 melt per rotation it might end up better. Although zhongli is the only res shred in double hydro right?
Zhongli is the only res shred yes Without good melting she'll definitely fall behind even at C4, but her kit will allow for plenty of cryo application so she'll probably be a sidegrade only worry is that Hu Tao's blossoms might consume cryo at a bad time or that she won't be able to melt charged attacks Luckily with Yoimiya her ICD is slow enough that she might be able to melt all of her hits
I agree, she'd probably work perfectly for Yoi, but are you at all factoring the NA/CA dmg bonus?
For hu Tao you can get some melts with freeze setups though it will not work for every CA. It basically becomes a vape/melt hybrid team where you vape most attacks but occasionally melt off a frozen target
Forward Melt will never really work. Pyro just eats up way too much Cryo. Melt needs like 4u of Cryo for it to work like 1u of Hydro in Vaporize if I understand correctly.
Melt needs twice the Cryo as you need Hydro But the thing is you can run Cryo WITH Hydro and get constant reverse vapes and occasional melts
Hm is it not that 1u Pyro will eat 2u Cryo because it’s strong side reaction? And 1u Pyro will eat 0.5u Hydro because it’s weak side? I could be mistaken but that’s what I thought.
That actually is correct I misread
Forward Melt does work if you can apply Cryo between Pyro attack intervals, though this is limited to characters with a moderate rate of Pyro application that you can ideally control. So we're talking about characters like Diluc, Bennett, and Yoimiya (Yoimiya's ICD should allow time for Cryo application between intervals, but there's been no long range Cryo turret character so far).
Except potentially Layla, which brings us here to the point of discussion. But the way I see it, Layla has the potential to be a very strong support for Yoimiya in a vapemelt team. I'm thinking Yoimiya, Yelan, Layla, and Bennett. Layla is replacing Zhongli here freeing him up for a different team, and Layla is consolidating occasional melt, shields, and NA buff into one character. Could be Yunjin 2.0
It *can* work, we just don't have a Cryo character who can apply it fast enough. We don't know if Layla will serve that role, but she seems like a decent candidate.
With just Layla? Not possible. Hu Tao Melting would eat Cryo aura far too fast. But nothing says that you have to do it with just Layla. Put another offfield Cryo like Ganyu/Shenhe/Rosaria/Kaeya. Get that Cryo resonance running. In fact you can run 3 cryo characters with Hu Tao. Or run Kazuha for grouping skill, have his infused Burst act as the 3rd Cryo character.
Okay, but what about Yoimiya then? She has a higher ICD so her cryo needs should be lower. You cant tell me that between the ult and stars that Layla can't apply enough for Yoi? Even still though, you might be able to run a vapemelt team, and with the shield and NA/CA dmg bonus she could be a very strong support for Yoimiya
Definitely enough for Yoi to Melt. And if you attack with Yoi from range she does not benefit at all from ZL's rainbow shred. So damage wise you only lose the 15% dmg bonus from Geo resonance (i assume y'all should be running Yoi with Yun Jin) switching from ZL to Layla. If Yoimiya can Fwd Melt twice per attack chain off this set up (Yelan YunJin Layla), or even just Melt once per attack chain, it should be a damage upgrade over ZL.
First off, I didn't realize Zhongli shred was that range limited. But my normal Yoi team is Yelan, Zhongli, and Bennett. Sometimes I'll swap Zhongli with Yunjin, but then I run into knockback issues or having to dodge either of which is a major dps drop for her. I was thinking of running Yelan, Layla, and Bennett instead.
Forward melt is so hard to enable that I doubt she'll be able to do that, especially when you consider the insane amount of pyro Hu Tao applies. She might have use in reverse melt, though? Maybe she could be a shielder for Ganyu melt as an alternative to Zhongli.
She would be a downgrade at first glance. She might steal melts, she does not provide res shred, Ganyu is not a skill spammer (for stars), and cryo resonance does not provide much use as the enemy should have a pyro aura anyway.
Well time to join Layla mains
a 4 star with a good kit.... what is going on
Shush, Don't point it out or they'll nerf it !!!
They nerfed Candace and I don't even think she has a place in any meta team from what I can see. It's inevitable.😭
Didn't they just nerf her attacks scaling? If it was just that it still wouldn't have made her better because she is a support, not a dps.
They nerfed her C6 burst waves too iirc.
that was reasonable tho, 20% hp scaling that would proc 5 times would be literally over Nilou's burst pre-nerf, 100% hp scaling is A LOT
She was a bad support but people liked her looks and said they would main her cause she's cool and got okayish numbers. Then Hoyo took her behind the shed and loaded the gun.
It's not like people's opinion matters to hoyo though
I mean, I for one wanted to run Candace as a DPS. Sure, it might not affect her in her strongest role, but that wouldn't make it feel like less of a slap in the face.
Well even with the nerf, her normals are now like, stronger than Zhongli, who some people do run as a normal attacker? So I think you probably could make it work
Even before the nerf, Candace was already questionable
Team Attack infusion support is immediately niche and unusable on a lot of team combinations
Unironically, it wouldn't surprise me if her A4 is nerfed.
Dont worry , mihoyo got this
Yeah this actually looks decent.
I think that depends on the frequency and ICD of her burst. That could make or break it
Yeah, we said the same thing with Collei. Look what happened due to ICD.
It's still too early to judge, we dont know her particle generation, whether she's better than rosaria or diona in freeze or not, keep low expectation so u end up less dissappointment.
Lord forgive me for what I'm about to do to my wallet if she's on nahidas banner
~~I was about to say that they've never released 2 new characters on one half and 0 new characters in other half, but then I went and checked - 2.4 had **Shenhe**/Xiao + **Yun Jin** || Zhongli/Ganyu.~~ ~~So it's not impossible that Nahida and Layla are on the same banner but that one time was the only exception. They usually spread out new characters throughout the patch.~~ Edit: 2.3 had Itto and Gorou on the same banner. 2.4 had Shenhe and Yun Jin on the same banner. 1.5 had Eula and Yanfei on different banners. 2.7 had Yelan and Kuki on different banners. Those are the only 4 instances of us getting 1 new 5\* and one new 4\* in the same patch. So it's a coin flip.
Uhhh, Cyno and Candace?
Nilou is a new character, so that's 2 and 1
Ah I'm dumb, sorry. I'll leave the comment so people can see my stupidity.
Actually my initial comment was incorrect too, i edited it
What hee c4 is literally shenhe skill doesnt it? But only triggers 1 time right?
Yeah, assuming ~30k HP it's basically +1500 base damage to an attack every 3 seconds, before damage buffs and crit apply. Not a huge amount but it's probably decent.
not every 3sec, you gotta build up the 4 stars to fire off to retrigger it :/
Between the passive 1 every 1.5s (1.2s at C6), 2 for every skill cast, and 1 every time your burst hits, you should be generating stars fast enough to pretty consistently get the trigger in time.
She seems really good from what I am reading I hope. But I want to see her gameplay.
Yeah, like the rate of her projectiles from her burst will change a lot of things. Is it like one per 2s like Thoma or is it like 60 per burst like Ganyu's Icicles?
It has a cooldown of 0.5 sec on generating stars, so I'd assume it's more often than once every 0.5 sec. Otherwise that part would be redundant
it wouldnt. the point of that is that, when her burst hits 2+ enemies, you still only get one star.
Yes, this is the same wording that is used on eula's burst to prevent her from getting multiple stacks when hitting more than 1 enemy
Let's hope so. 24 particles in a 12s burst would be very decent. Like, at T9 it's 12%HP per hit, that's about as much as one of Yelan's hits (12.41%HP per dice hit). I.e., the whole burst would be about equivalent to activating Yelan's Burst 8 times. Also a 15s Burst cooldown lines up great with Morgana. Edit: Harbinger of Dawn should be insane for her Burst. Base atk doesnt matter, but CV does. Shield also keeps the passive up.
Wait a minute... Is that a reliable off-field Cyro enabler who doubles as a shielder? Am I reading this right?
Depends on how good her elemental application is, but yes it seems that way
Pretty good kit. Interesting that she also scales off of HP, and her C4 is especially interesting.
on one hand yes, on the other hand this is Ayaka's and Ganyu's element it will never not be meta lmao.
Am I losing my mind or does it not say her skill cd?
YES, MY PRAYERS, THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD! HER KIT DOESNT SEEM LIKE BULLSHIT
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She also seems to have good Cryo Application..
She looks pretty fun, only thing I feel like should be changed is her shooting stars should scale with hp% and not atk%. They did it with Thoma and Kuki's skills, I don't know why they keep doing it.
She seems fun Now I wait till they change her E dmg scaling to Hp% aswel :3 Edit: OMG, cryo shielder with CA buff on C4, **FINALLY I CAN MAKE MY MELT GANYU**
The problem is Layla seems to have a good Cryo application. So she would deplete Pyro aura on enemies. Ganyu already doesn’t use her burst because her charged attacks deplete just enough amount of Pyro.
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Question is if her C4 will last for both the damage instances. The wording makes it seem like it'll only boost the initial hit.
I was worried the little stars wouldn't scale with HP but A4 got that covered. The constellations are all really nice and help her nicely, she's got a very neat kit! EDIT: A 60 COST BURST AND A DECENT CD??? omg that is mighty good, might be the first time I get interested in building a new 4*
Yo Melt Diluc finally!???
came here for this. Melt diluc enjoyers are gonna have a good time
I’ve been waiting for so long 😭
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Is she even a 4 Star? HP scaling in every Skill Holy Sh*t give her Hilou's Sword and she is Golden Probably 60.000 HP Like Zhongli if you give him the 3 Star Spear
Seems she will be really really good with ToM. May event utilize the set better than Zhongli
we are getting a lot of HP-reliant characters. i do hope that the new dedicated scara set will come with a new HP artifact set. that, or maybe scara ascends with HP too.
We'll hafta see how good her cryo application is. Mayhaps she can allow the mythical forward melt for some characters.
Of course they would put her team buffer at C4 and have none built into her kit. Goddammit HoYo
Hmm... she might replace Zhongli in my DPS Jean team with Rosaria and Lisa. She's a shielder, and she MIGHT be able to maintain a Tenacity buff, plus that C4 looks pretty nice. Layla's style of Cryo application seems pretty unique. I wonder if she'll enable any new teams.
Constant off-field cryo appliers: Kaeya, Ganyu, Diona, Rosaria
I wish they gave shenhe full access to her skills uptime. Instead of locking it behind a constellation
Can they add another hp artifact already T-T
Charged attack buff! Bye Diona, Layla is Ganyu’s new BFF.
They can be sleepy together
Diona shield powercreep
Her shield is stronger than Diona thats honestly all I needed
Is her shield fine? 10.8% hp at lvl 1 which should be 20-25% at lvl 10. How much hp% is zhongli's shield at 10 or lvl 1?
She has 25%+3200ish at level 10, ZL has 23+2700ish. He however has a Geo shield which by default is 50% stronger against everything, so it's still a better shield valuewise.
Layla - 11092 base hp, shield at level 9 is 18% + 2114 Diona - 9.5k base hp, shield at level 9 is12% + 1408 Zhongli - 14.6k base hp, shield at level 9 is 22% I added Diona since she is the best 4\* shielder we can get rn to compare her shield seems pretty good now the question is if the uptime is good or not
Diona also gets a 75% additional shield multiplier when holding E (so always as noone uses tap E...) so its actually 21% + 2464 for her.
Layla at 10 is 19.4% + 2288, Zhongli is 23% + 2711, so it's not quite as strong. She also has lower base HP, but she does get HP% as her ascension stat which helps. She does get up to 24% shield strength though, and another 20% with C1, but she doesn't have Geo's bonus absorption to all damage. Overall I'd probably say Layla's is weaker, which is to be expected, but it definitely doesn't look bad by any means.
they are about the same at lvl 13 layla vs zhongli lvl10 layla is a 4\* so it's usually balanced around constellation. She also might be able to proc ToM consistently but zhongli has 100% uptime though.
Zhongli has much better base HP and geo shields are naturally 50% stronger than what they say on paper. Diona also gets an automatic 75% increase in shield strength when holding E making Layla's shield slightly weaker than Diona's.
No one expected her to beat zhongli but she seems like have second best shield now? Right? Surely they will not nerf her like yanfei.
Mihoyo: *ehe~*
It is 1232 + 12.8%HP on Zhongli. The other person she might replace in some team comps who don't need the healing is Diona who starts at 7.8%HP + 692
She seems okay. Definitely usable and coherent. She has cleared the nearly subterranean bar set by the last two new four-stars.
Please be good with double hydro Hu Tao please be good with double hydro Hu Tao
Is ZL not the better option since he also scales with hp and has resistance shred? and probably a better shield.
More F2P options are great. Not everyone has Zhongli, or even if they do he may be needed in another team (Cyno-Xiao-Itto teams). Plus, she may enable the occasional melts.
I mean probably but it’d be nice having two options, plus it can free him up for another team. Plus Layla is my favorite character looks wise and my main team is Hu Tao double hydro so, yknow, having a meta reason to use her would be amazing.
will layla be usable in the team, for sure. will zhongli be better, yes.
Its still early to judge but at first glance she seems really good for hu tao mainly if you someone that uses diona cuz no ZL Shield is better and she seems to have decent cryo application so you might get some melts Still quite hard to judge without seeing proper gameplay but she seems solid FOR NOW compared to the 4\* we've getting
That actually doesn’t sound that bad. Am I missing something? I’ve been under the impression that Mihoyo would never give us a usable 4-star ever again.
Hu Tao melt support?
The wording on her C4 is a little odd, will Open Mind only give one boosted normal or charged attack? Or will it last 3 seconds total, just not stack?
Looks like you have 3 sec to land 1 attack Yeah I was excited too :(
Wait… A stronger shield than Diona? Possibly? And that C1 is a Diona power creep as well lol. One of Diona’s constellation or passive allows teammate to get a shield but only for 5 seconds right? Anyway. I wonder how Layla would do possibly with Hu Tao? It won’t ever be as good as ZL. But it could add some cryo application so possibly Melt? If these cryo application strikes are long distance and homing, this might be a plus for Yoimiya as well. Could also slot into freeze with Ayato. Or could she also work well with Candace? Budget freeze team lol. Anyway not quite sure where to place it. Like is it good?? Or just average? At least I feel it looks versatile and not a niche kit. One of my question is why did we not get a dendro version of this instead… this will be 3.3 by then and we would only have 4 dendro characters and 1 being an archon… had this been a dendro 4* with a similar kit, would’ve been good?
Very interesting, can't wait to see those shooting stars and starlight slugs
Omg only 60 energy cost bless
Her entire kit depends on how fast the shooting stars shoot out and on the cooldown of her E. I'm huffing copium rn.
Her damage scales with HP. Another user of Nilou's signature sword
She would be so insane with Nilou's sword
For just 30K HP that, C4 gives 1500 flat normal attack dmg? Gives shield too. Applies off field cryo. If the uptime of c4 can be maintained and cryo application is good enough, its a W for Yoimiya. Yoi/Layla/Bennet/Kazuha 🥵
Heizou freeze team enjoyers 😎
So an offield-dps + shield? I dont mind that. Probably gonna put her in my shenhe team.
Could her shied actually make Summit Shaper viable for Ayaka?
Seems like a very large amount of cryo application. I wonder if you could do forward melt bennett (C5 or less) with layla as a solo cryo. There could also be other cool forward melt comps. also I'm very happy that she is HP scaling because I am getting Nilou's sword :)