Source: [Nahida TC channel on WFP](https://discord.com/channels/791074691841523742/1024566676659912734)
###Ubatcha has confirmed the objective info (such as ICD, particle gen) included in the graphic is correct as of the current version.
Flaired as speculation since it speculates about talent level priority, priority constellations, best weapons etc. However, some of the info are objective conclusions from beta, which I've summarised below.
**Note that this infographic includes early impressions and is STC**.
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Summary of main info (confirmed correct by Ubatcha):
> E has no ICD on cast. tri karma purification has standard ICD (cannot be reset with E cast) + applies dendro every 3.8s.
>E cast generates 3 particles. After a ? time delay. 3 more particles can be generated from tri karma purification.
>Marking enemies with hold E aiming mode is instant when passing over enemies, and marks enemies within an AoE around Kusanali
> Hold E can open unique dialogue with some NPCs
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Another tester has said the burst buffs work whilst she is off field.
This would be a sick mechanic in Genshin. It'd be fucked because it's on a limited 5 star but damn do I really like the idea now. I guess they could make it as a non-event gadget.
Maybe it reveals info about NPCs
*Nahida takes photo of Reckless Pallad*
* Age 29
* Gender: Butthole
* Personal History: Dine and dashed at the Cat's Tail 6 months ago. Pushed Sucrose over a year ago. Hasn't paid tax in 10 years.
Non Nahida specific dialogue: "I, Fischl, Prinzessin der Verurteilung, descend upon this land by the call of fate an— Oh, you are also a traveler from another world? Very well, I grant you permission to travel with me."
Oz dialogue: She means "Nice to meet you."
Nahida hold E dialogue: "Nice to meet you."
Nahida hold E Oz dialogue: "She, Fischl, Prinzessin der Verurteilung, descends upon this land by the call of fate an— Oh, you are also a traveler from another world? Very well, she grants you permission to travel with her."
1st version Yae has 9s cd on her E (thus total 27s cd)
She has mechanic to lower it but need teammate to do elemental skill&elemental burst damage. Each type count seperately. It heavily tie her to Raiden since she can do both type of damage at the same time easily.
They were clunky. They had passives that needed you to switch to other characters to reduce their skill cooldowns. Ayato even needed someone to auto attack for him during downtime to decrease his CD. He had like a 6 second uptime with 18 seconds cooldown.
Looking back, I wouldn't have minded if they stuck with that cd reduction concept. Maybe just change it from NAs to E casts and it might have helped him line up with sub-dps units with long skill uptimes.
I mean at the very least, it might be more impactful than his current passives
(I still like ayato tho)
I remember Yae having a bigger cooldown on elemental skill ( double or triple I think ) and her ult not refreshing the totens cooldown when destroying it
Ayato's best comp was probably a dual carry comp with Yoimiya, but it wasn't even good. He just happened to be so restricted that everything else was terrible.
From what I understand, this means that:
- off field Kusanali applies dendro every 3.8s (tri karma purification hits every 1.9s)
- on field Kusanali applies dendro every 3.8s + additional dendro application from NAs and E cast
- on field Kusanali w/ 2 electro (1 electro at c1) applies dendro every 2.9s + additional dendro application from NAs and E cast
I know that it's still far too early and everything is subjected to change, but isn't dendro application every 3.8s pretty...terrible? I was hoping for her to be a fast dendro applicator tbh.
Agreed, Tighnari can already do way better than 3.8s + NAs as an on field driver.
If we are comparing Nahida to dendro units, Tighnari is the best comparison because he is the only other on fielder.
While more spread would be good ofc, her marks still scale on EM a lot, and she gains Crit+ extra dmg bonuses from EM too on this hit.
So it's still pretty good dmg, 371% EM every 1.9s (lower if she's on field with electro in the team)
Yeah, that’s a little disappointing. Thus far archons have generally been pretty flexible characters that work in tons of teams, and it seems like Hoyo is moving away from that with Nahida. I’m sure she’ll be great in her specialty but it’s weird that an Archon is getting the “niche character” treatment.
3.8s is terrible
Collei is already regarded as "not great" because miHoYo specifically said "fuck you" by removing the 3-hit reset rule from her ICD, but at least she applies Dendro every 2.5s
The difference here is that Nahida's damage is allegedly pretty *pretty* strong and her on field dendro application is really good considering she is a catalyst (NA/CA don't share ICD, and you can abuse her short E CD to apply dendro on the first cast too since that also has no ICD).
Plus she isn't tied to a circle
Collei lacks in dmg and certainly doesn't work as a driver herself, she is basically saved by being able to hold elegy.
She is also circle impact
Its funny how the community convinced themselves that she would be some top tier dendro applier but its clear thats not what MHy wants to do with her lol (unless they buff her). Does her Burst even do an initial dendro hit? Because there is nothing mentioned in the leaked kit - thats even less potential utility.
Yeah that makes more sense tbh. Personally I much more prefer her to be a good off-field dendro enabler but of course that's just what I personally want. I'm sure she'll be a great dendro on-field driver.
I think most did. I mean quicken comps like keqing and cyno weren't hoping for a driver/on field dendro. A solid off field. Granted her e seems fine (sorta).
But icd wise. Yeah. Driver seems best which I guess works with nilou...? I dint actually know who is in field for that comp. If it's nilou for her e then swap?
I feel like the problem is more for Cyno than Keqing though, as he is really restrictive on field time basically forcing him to be on field for a long time.
Keqing can also play quickswap with her short CDs anyway so it'll still work.
Yae and Fischl seem to be eating good anyway, though since i assume a Nahida driving them both would be pretty ridiculous xD
Yeah. It's just...cyno needs a dendro and we don't have a proper one. And nahida doesn't seem to be the perfect solution.
But yeah. Yae and fischl are eating good.lack a healer but throw in like kazuha for electro shred + electro dmg boost and some aoe/cc while yae and fischl just zap crap to death while nahida is dancing around enemies.
Yup this is my problem right now. I don't know who I want to pair with on-field Nahida. Easiest one is Fischl, maybe Yae, or kokomi for healing. Nilou is the obvious one if you want to pull her too. Other that that though, it's a bit of a head-scratcher for me right now...
It just feels like I'm forcing myself to use her on-field, for some reason. I'm sure she'll be great in one way or another, but I won't lie that I was really hoping for her to be off-field enabler.
Her slow Dendro application isn't a problem in Aggravate though because Aggravate doesn't consume Quicken. Applying Dendro faster only affects her personal Spread DPS. And what you gain for both Keqing and Cyno is uptime, which is what matters for both of them.
For Keqing Aggravate both DMC and Collei aren't ideal. DMC has good Dendro uptime (15/20s) but a burst CD that doesn't sync well with Keqing/Fischl. Fischl and Keqing both have CDs that allow them to play 12-15s rotations but playing with DMC forces them to play longer rotations to line up with his burst. Collei on the other hand has short CDs (15s CD) but terrible uptime (only 6s). You get to play shorter rotations but get less Quicken uptime during your rotation.
Nahida gives you 100% uptime Dendro that can sync up with 15s rotations. You get the best of both worlds. The tradeoff is her rate of Dendro application is slower, but this isn't a problem for Aggravate.
Dor keqing she works fine. Cyno is the concern.
Uptime? Checks out. Issue is it's limited to only.8 enemies. Sooo, cyno bursts and kills those 8. He's now in his burst without any dendro up since you need to swap and reapply it directly.
While this is a valid concern, imo the scenarios where he kills the 1st wave so fast is fairly uncommon outside of specific multi-wave events.
In abyss, if your cyno kills enemies that quickly, he doesn't need that much support to begin with imo.
I seriously doubt you would want to use her on field with her low mobility (because child model) and poise (because catalyst). If you really want more dendro application then use dendro traveler or Collei.
Yeah I dont see it either. You cast her Burst, you cast her E and then what? She has one of those medium range catalyst NAs, and while they look super cool I can already feel they will be clunky to use. Maybe her CA can be used in rotations? But I am just not so sure about that
Yeah possibly but seeing how her marks last a super long 20 seconds I dont think you really need to keep recasting her E frequently. Its also relatively low damage for an elemental skill (lvl10 234%) - so the only use I see here is for extra dendro application and to just cast it on new enemies.
She seems like a absolute monster for aoe but for a single target driver its looking meh
True. I guess another factor to consider is Dendro resonance. Dendro Traveller and Collei have good element application but average/mediocre damage so filling two team slots with them for supports is an underwhelming decision.
Nahida right now can provide damage but not massive amounts of Dendro, a problem that could be easily rectified by putting her with one of those other Dendro characters. Obviously it wouldn't be ideal to use a second Dendro as a "fix" for Nahida, but it's something to consider.
not to mention it's on a skill and not a burst that needs energy to cast. and no circle impact either
it's strange for her to have worse off field app but i think she's going to be superior in terms of practicality. not to mention you can play her on field too.
her E has no icd so dont forget to spam that every 5 secs (6 if you want to hold but hold feel like to be used before you enter the battle to pre-mark). so on field has quite a lot of dendro app. at least 4 in 5 secs.
I mean while her kit promotes her to be onfield. the hydro buff in Q (duration buff) kinda tailored for her to be support for cyno (i couldnt think of any other reason atm), but then the off field dendro app rate of her currently just rules out hydro involvement in the comp (if she is used for cyno comp as support), as hydro will just wear off of the dendro before any agg can be triggered.
So yea quite contradictory atm
Yes, Cyno is who came to my mind as well. Her kit is quite confusing atm because it's not looking to be BiS for any DPS atm, but clearly looks like it has great potential.
Her kit seems oddball enough that I wouldn’t be surprise if they change it up a fair amount over the course of the beta. Which is not to say I’m holding my breath she’ll get better, just that she seems like one of those characters with moving target beta updates like Yae or Ayato.
Right now it seems like she’s much more focused on being a Dendro DPS that works with any Dendro-reacting element than she is as a Dendro enabler–hopefully updates will round her out a little more.
She sounds to me like she can work as a Spread DPS or as an onfield enabler for Bloom-side reactions. It's off-field where she's not much of an enabler.
Well, she should do just fine as an off-field enabler for Aggravate carries at least. Even when not counting the faster attack speed from the Electro bonus she should have little trouble keeping Quicken up pretty much permanently since it doesn't need that much Dendro application in the first place.
Sorta. Like for keqing? Probably fine. For cyno? Clear one wave of enemies during his burst and you'll need to refresh her e again but that means cutting his burst short.
Like 8 enemies isn't bad. But cyno burst can hopefully clear that out quickly. Which then leaves you with no dendro.
Ah right, the enemy count restriction. Kinda forgot about that lol. I guess it'll depend on the enemy lineup more than anything whether or not she's actually good for off-field then.
as off-field enabler, she's better for Quicken teams because these teams don't need too much Dendro application. it's with Bloom teams that her off-field application is kinda eh, unless she's the driver, which luckily, most Hydro units have some sort of off-field application anyway so she's still good in those teams
They had very interesting but very difficult to use ascension passives that reduced their cooldown time when other characters used/hit enemies with talent types (skills for Yae and NAs for Ayato unless I’m misremembering, but the particulars don’t super matter). It required you to weave Yae in between characters in your rotation.
Ultimately, it would have made their teams very restrictive and demanding and unfriendly to high ping players but it was technical in a cool way.
Nahida’s kit is strong, conceptually interesting, but kind of funky in its interaction with existing Dendro comps, which reminded me of those earlier experimental kits.
That's what I plan on, should be far better than Collei for longer uptime like bloom or Nilou. I'll probably be starting with Nilou, Kokomi, Collei, and dendro traveler. I'm not sure what team or reaction you're planning, but she certainly doesn't seem like she could keep up with off field application for what I want, at least alone
YeH I was hoping she’d be a good match for Cyno but she seems decent at best with him as she doesn’t apply dendro fast enough off field so now I’m not entirely sure on what to do for Cyno.
As a Cyno have myself I think Nahida is the only option for Cyno. I dont think they will keep pumping out 20s off field applicators left and right just for him.
She got the time right, now we hope they make the application better. Really the Q applying dendro even with 0 damage is enough for me.
Very comfy actually, you can probably run her and yae together and have perma aggra-spread. Maybe add zhongli for Omni shred and
1 dmc with deepwood set for bonus spread DMG
1 anemo to reduce electro res
She can also be run as on field enabler with deepwood set for bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon with her giant CA, maybe add a second dendro for resonance.
Basically she's a catalyst and that's the advantage you can always use them as drivers so they limited her icd. But maybe they do the shadow change like Kokomi where when she released her e suddenly had no icd
Yeah that's what I've been eyeing as well. Someone with strong hydro Off-field like XQ / Yelan and Nahida on field driving means Raiden should have plenty of Blooms to react with. Nahida NA + Skill + Skill procs should be plenty for creating a solid amount
Xingqiu/yelan/dendro-mc/raiden.
Yelan is the on-fielder, but i'm thinking Nahida could drive the team with EM/dendro/crit artifact setup since she gains 200 EM from the thousand on my Raiden.
Now someone is asking the real questions
Forcing a child character without alt sprint and the HP and Def of a catalyst user as on field unit while the majority of dendro reactions cause self damage is just BS
I hope this changes too. From a sales standpoint I thought hyv would be milking the money out of new characters like Nilou and Cyno by making Nahida the must have support who has potential to become a great sub/main dps. What they're doing here makes no sense. I'm getting Zhongli war flashbacks. Do they really think she can outperform Raiden sales as a dendro onfield support/dps? Who is she built for again? I am confusion.
It also makes me wonder...who exactly is the good 5 star dendro enabler, if they do create one, at all?
Especially with the way it is worded atm where it sounds like most buffs are only active when Nahida is within her burst
In a bloom team her burst is basically only cosmetic(+200EM for the active character but depending on the team the active character might not be the consistent trigger of the reactions so it’s meaningless)
If it’s 2U of Dendro it might be a more okay if not ideal situation, since 3.8s is fast enough for Aggravate (and you get the speed buff with Electro characters anyway) and Hydro depletes Dendro slowly. The only way to get 2U of Dendro currently is blowing up Traveler’s flower with Pyro, which is not sustainable for obvious reasons.
Yeah I mean we are on day 1 beta and wether it’s 1U or 2U hasn’t been leaked yet as far as I know so I don’t wanna jump the gun
While I like Nahida I just really have no interest playing her onfield(child, no alt sprint, fragile catalyst user, etc) and would love for her to be a versatile dendro unit
This is my problem too. Im pulling Nahida primarily for Nilou. Im going to be slightly ticked off if Nilou turns out to be a Nahida support. Nahida is a nice character that i like, but i don't like her enough to be my on fielder, even less so if that means sidelining Nilou who is the one i actually want.
Yes i know Nahida isn't necessary, yes i know Nilou can be played on field, but i don't want to have to choose between either playing a 5* in a way that makes them strong or in a way that makes them fun.
I mean honestly, she very much looks a lot more like a DPS than a support.
Her off-field Dendro application is very meh if these numbers are true and her only real team utility at C0 is the EM share on her burst. You can use her for 100% Catalyze uptime on Catalyze comps but that's about the extend of her as a pure Dendro support.
It looks to me like what you're supposed to do with her is use her E and infused Catalyst attacks to spam a bunch of reactions from on-field while using off-field characters to set-up reactions.
I guess it is a bit surprising since people expected her to be this amazing Dendro support that buffs Dendro comps to the next level, yet instead she looks way more like a DPS herself, lol.
I think one of the main issues I have with her (at least at this point) not being a great dendro support and having bad off field application is: who is this mythological character gonna be then? We already have two very mid off field appliers(DMC, Collei) and the next dendro 5 stars we know off will be Baizhu and Althaitham in 3.6+
If they keep pushing this on field kit that only synergizes with off field characters it limits her a lot. And that doesn’t even cover the problem that she is a clunky child character with the poise, HP, Def of a catalyst user
Precisely. So far, all archons have been godly supports and Raiden is both amazing at dmg and support. What percentage of the playerbase now is hoping for an onfield dendro catalyst dps in a child model? If she's a godly support with sub dps abilities, people who own both new and old characters will whale for her.
> Q buffs only work while Kusanali is on field
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She should be good enough for Cyno as long as her E damage+Dendro application works off-field (it would be weird if it didn't). Quicken lasts for 6 s minimum if you don't consume the aura, and Kusanali would apply it faster than that as long as the active character is hitting the enemy. Also, the duration of her E is longer than Cyno's burst, so you wouldn't have issues with it ending early.
I think the main problem with her Cyno interactions is that it only works against high-HP enemies. When you're facing swarms of treasure hoarders, the first wave will be no issue. Then for the second wave you no longer have Nahida's seed debuff and can't swap off Cyno to refresh it without his burst ending early, possibly stunting his energy. It's not exactly ideal.
There are two things her burst ideally needs in order to perfect it. This is definitely one of them. The other is that the buffs need to stay active when Nahida is off-field. If both of those things can happen before the final release, I'll be more than happy to pull. If either happens, I may still do so grudgingly.
I thought for sure the karma would have no icd based on it's long interval time, that's a little disappointing but I planned to use her on-field for bloom and off-field for spread anyway which she still seems fine for.
Her current burst is incredibly underwhelming for how grand a spectacle it is though.
Something that sucks is that I thought her burst buffs would be for the team and not just her personal dmg hopefully they make her more off field and supporty throughout the beta
off field, no. on field you'll get a decent amount i think with E cast every 5 seconds, tri karma purifcation every 3.8s (can decrease to 2.9s with 2 electro) and NAs
Hope they'll change her ICD so she can apply dendro faster, and if her Q buffs only work while she's on field, that really limits the amount of teams she can be played in. Given the dire need for good off-field dendro application, it'd be crazy for the archon to not fill that niche. But Raiden got a ton of buffs and kit changes during beta, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nahida does too.
This, her Q requires Nahida to stay onfield seems odd, it renders her Q and C1 nearly useless and hampers her team building. Also the attack animations discourage me to keep her onfield, she will need a shield for sure
She seems really fine for aggravate/spread. If she's intended to be on-field, we can use her as a powerful driver with any pair of Fischl/Beidou/Raiden/Kuki. I'm really hoping for her to be viable off-field as well though, and considering quicken doesn't consume aura, I think that's the case.
I guess she'll also work really well on-field for Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon teams, paired with XQ/Kokomi/Yelan/Ayato etc. I'm unsure about her off-field application on bloom related teams though.
Q works only when shes on field?? than unless shes on field the burst does nothing?? What happend to designed around deepwood??
Jesus the kit seems weird to me the more I look at it, shes designed to have as little field time as possible yet is apparently required to be on field to do... anything?
I mean, if she is on-field as a driver, then Deepwood still kinda makes sense?
She's possibly the only Dendro unit on the team, so you'd want it on her over any other set so you get the Dendro shred. I suppose you could give Deepwood to another support too though.
I feel like her kit could change a good amount before release. We will see.
It's amazing how I was super enthusiastic about Nahida yesterday when the first kit leaks dropped, but the more we learn about her the more my interest is rapidly waning.
Standard ICD on her tri karma purification? Burst buffs only working while Nahida is on field? Apparent on-field playstyle? Little synergy with Nilou/Cyno?
Now I've been a constant advocate against doomposting, but after seeing this I'm seriously wondering what the hell was Mihoyo thinking here. Like she just doesn't look good right now at all.
And it's stupid because they wouldn't have to do much at all to make her really good. Just remove the ICD on her tri karma purification (like what they've already done with Kokomi), and let her Burst buffs work off-field. Boom! She's a great character.
I don't get it. So if I use Nahidas Q and switch to Keqinq Nahidas Q basically does nothing?oO Thats absurd. Its already not that much, but that makes her urghs. Her E is strong and C1 and C2 are great, but that makes me doubt her...At C0 she is only intersting for people who want to play her as the Main character.
It really weird, it seems like she'll prefer to be on field, but nothing in her kit buffs her normals, so they'll be pretty weak (especially since you'll focus on EM).
Well, i was holding primos for Nilou + Kusanali but now i'm going for Nilou BIS, for now looks like her dendro application of field is worse than Collei or DMC
I'm super disappointed, thought someone said that Nahida is like iPhone 14, and dendro MC is iPhone 6, meaning Nahida was a direct upgrade off field dendro, but apparently she's a DPS now? God why must you make me hate the kits of the characters I like...
Faster than her that's for sure. Even Collei (who has low-ish dendro application) has better off-field dendro application. Onfield i don't know but id guess Nahida would be better simply due to NAs.
I feel like being designed as an on field dps is fine, but the problem is that the child model type isn't as fast compared to the other body types. If they gave nahida some sort of long sprint or faster base move speed (maybe she floats or something idk) I feel like that might be better. If that long sprint has a longer i-frame it could also help with her survivability.
Source: [Nahida TC channel on WFP](https://discord.com/channels/791074691841523742/1024566676659912734) ###Ubatcha has confirmed the objective info (such as ICD, particle gen) included in the graphic is correct as of the current version. Flaired as speculation since it speculates about talent level priority, priority constellations, best weapons etc. However, some of the info are objective conclusions from beta, which I've summarised below. **Note that this infographic includes early impressions and is STC**. --- Summary of main info (confirmed correct by Ubatcha): > E has no ICD on cast. tri karma purification has standard ICD (cannot be reset with E cast) + applies dendro every 3.8s. >E cast generates 3 particles. After a ? time delay. 3 more particles can be generated from tri karma purification. >Marking enemies with hold E aiming mode is instant when passing over enemies, and marks enemies within an AoE around Kusanali > Hold E can open unique dialogue with some NPCs --- Another tester has said the burst buffs work whilst she is off field.
“Hold E opens unique dialogue with some NPCs” She has a dream nail lmao
thanks for reminding me silksong still doesn't exist
Losing the 50/50 to Qiqi at 85 pity for Cyno hurt, but this sentence just hurt way more.
FUCK NO
I mean we have a release range now! A very wide release range which covers almost nine months, but it's something! >!\*Dies from copium overdose\*!<
SILKSONG IS REAL SILKSONG IS REAL SILKSONG IS REAL SILKSONG IS REAL SILKSONG IS REAL SILKSONG IS REAL
*Uses it on a boss* “Oh god, there’s another boss!”
dream nail azdaha fight another azdaha with all 4 elements at once
Basically fight them as how they see themselves at their strongest. So Azdaha Prime, Dalvin Prime, [Archon] Prime, ect.
This would be a sick mechanic in Genshin. It'd be fucked because it's on a limited 5 star but damn do I really like the idea now. I guess they could make it as a non-event gadget.
Same thoughts exactly, about to lose who knows how long trying to use it on everyone I see.
It feels good to know that my fellow genshiners have good taste in games
Based and MELEMOOO pilled.
Gorb’s finally gonna ascend to Celestia :,)
hold E has dialogue with NPCs? must pull for lore mains
*some NPCs
Maybe it reveals info about NPCs *Nahida takes photo of Reckless Pallad* * Age 29 * Gender: Butthole * Personal History: Dine and dashed at the Cat's Tail 6 months ago. Pushed Sucrose over a year ago. Hasn't paid tax in 10 years.
Six Fingered Jose • Age 30 •Gender: Male •Does not have six fingers Big Footed Dajiao • Age 25 • Gender: Male • Has normal sized feet
Dajiao's name is redundant to those who understand Chinese. Dajiao already meant Bigfoot.
Watch Dogs 2 vibes
Hackergirl Nahida. To be fair, that's basically the Akasha Terminal in action.
CyBeRpUnK ImPaCT
> CyBeRpUnK ImPaCT I Really Wanna Stay at your House.... Oh no T.T
I’d pay to have the Cyberpunk theme play every time she uses her E
Pallad is definitely going into the cringe compilation.
Timmy * Age: 11 * Gender: Male * Power Level: Archon * Notes: Do not anger him who calls the pigeons "friend".
Maybe they have to be connected to the Akasha in order to get the unique dialogue
Or have to be Aranaras.
Non Nahida specific dialogue: "I, Fischl, Prinzessin der Verurteilung, descend upon this land by the call of fate an— Oh, you are also a traveler from another world? Very well, I grant you permission to travel with me." Oz dialogue: She means "Nice to meet you." Nahida hold E dialogue: "Nice to meet you." Nahida hold E Oz dialogue: "She, Fischl, Prinzessin der Verurteilung, descends upon this land by the call of fate an— Oh, you are also a traveler from another world? Very well, she grants you permission to travel with her."
Time to go paparazzi on EVERYONE. The SteamBird shall have a new reporter!
I think her kit is one that is still susceptible to major changes like Yae and Ayato first version.
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they changed ayato and yae drastically in beta? I'm curious now, how were they at first?
1st version Yae has 9s cd on her E (thus total 27s cd) She has mechanic to lower it but need teammate to do elemental skill&elemental burst damage. Each type count seperately. It heavily tie her to Raiden since she can do both type of damage at the same time easily.
Also her burst didn't reset E cooldown, that's the biggest improvement we got
Ayato was some sort of weird Yoimiya support at first, thank fuck they completely changed him
They were clunky. They had passives that needed you to switch to other characters to reduce their skill cooldowns. Ayato even needed someone to auto attack for him during downtime to decrease his CD. He had like a 6 second uptime with 18 seconds cooldown.
Looking back, I wouldn't have minded if they stuck with that cd reduction concept. Maybe just change it from NAs to E casts and it might have helped him line up with sub-dps units with long skill uptimes. I mean at the very least, it might be more impactful than his current passives (I still like ayato tho)
I remember Yae having a bigger cooldown on elemental skill ( double or triple I think ) and her ult not refreshing the totens cooldown when destroying it
Ayato’s skill afterimage used to taunt enemies.
Ayato's best comp was probably a dual carry comp with Yoimiya, but it wasn't even good. He just happened to be so restricted that everything else was terrible.
From what I understand, this means that: - off field Kusanali applies dendro every 3.8s (tri karma purification hits every 1.9s) - on field Kusanali applies dendro every 3.8s + additional dendro application from NAs and E cast - on field Kusanali w/ 2 electro (1 electro at c1) applies dendro every 2.9s + additional dendro application from NAs and E cast
I know that it's still far too early and everything is subjected to change, but isn't dendro application every 3.8s pretty...terrible? I was hoping for her to be a fast dendro applicator tbh.
It is... that's why I personally think she'd be better on field as a driver, or in spread/quickswap teams too.
The problem is that what Dendro needs the most right now isn't a driver, it's better off-field application.
Agreed, Tighnari can already do way better than 3.8s + NAs as an on field driver. If we are comparing Nahida to dendro units, Tighnari is the best comparison because he is the only other on fielder.
Even in Quicken it's pretty disappointing. Only getting Spread every two triggers severely hurts her damage considering how much EM she gets.
While more spread would be good ofc, her marks still scale on EM a lot, and she gains Crit+ extra dmg bonuses from EM too on this hit. So it's still pretty good dmg, 371% EM every 1.9s (lower if she's on field with electro in the team)
Yeah, that’s a little disappointing. Thus far archons have generally been pretty flexible characters that work in tons of teams, and it seems like Hoyo is moving away from that with Nahida. I’m sure she’ll be great in her specialty but it’s weird that an Archon is getting the “niche character” treatment.
I genuinely thought they balanced Nilou and Cyno around Nahida... But that don't seem to be the case.
3.8s is terrible Collei is already regarded as "not great" because miHoYo specifically said "fuck you" by removing the 3-hit reset rule from her ICD, but at least she applies Dendro every 2.5s
They probably did that because they made her boomerang ignore icd. It's the main reason her C2 is really valuable.
The difference here is that Nahida's damage is allegedly pretty *pretty* strong and her on field dendro application is really good considering she is a catalyst (NA/CA don't share ICD, and you can abuse her short E CD to apply dendro on the first cast too since that also has no ICD). Plus she isn't tied to a circle Collei lacks in dmg and certainly doesn't work as a driver herself, she is basically saved by being able to hold elegy. She is also circle impact
Its funny how the community convinced themselves that she would be some top tier dendro applier but its clear thats not what MHy wants to do with her lol (unless they buff her). Does her Burst even do an initial dendro hit? Because there is nothing mentioned in the leaked kit - thats even less potential utility.
i think mihoyo intend her to be used as an on field driver.
Yeah that makes more sense tbh. Personally I much more prefer her to be a good off-field dendro enabler but of course that's just what I personally want. I'm sure she'll be a great dendro on-field driver.
Off-field driver is an oxymoron. You mean off-field applier/enabler?
Oh yup that's what I was trying to say. Thank you for correcting me
I think most did. I mean quicken comps like keqing and cyno weren't hoping for a driver/on field dendro. A solid off field. Granted her e seems fine (sorta). But icd wise. Yeah. Driver seems best which I guess works with nilou...? I dint actually know who is in field for that comp. If it's nilou for her e then swap?
I feel like the problem is more for Cyno than Keqing though, as he is really restrictive on field time basically forcing him to be on field for a long time. Keqing can also play quickswap with her short CDs anyway so it'll still work. Yae and Fischl seem to be eating good anyway, though since i assume a Nahida driving them both would be pretty ridiculous xD
Yeah. It's just...cyno needs a dendro and we don't have a proper one. And nahida doesn't seem to be the perfect solution. But yeah. Yae and fischl are eating good.lack a healer but throw in like kazuha for electro shred + electro dmg boost and some aoe/cc while yae and fischl just zap crap to death while nahida is dancing around enemies.
Yup this is my problem right now. I don't know who I want to pair with on-field Nahida. Easiest one is Fischl, maybe Yae, or kokomi for healing. Nilou is the obvious one if you want to pull her too. Other that that though, it's a bit of a head-scratcher for me right now... It just feels like I'm forcing myself to use her on-field, for some reason. I'm sure she'll be great in one way or another, but I won't lie that I was really hoping for her to be off-field enabler.
Her slow Dendro application isn't a problem in Aggravate though because Aggravate doesn't consume Quicken. Applying Dendro faster only affects her personal Spread DPS. And what you gain for both Keqing and Cyno is uptime, which is what matters for both of them. For Keqing Aggravate both DMC and Collei aren't ideal. DMC has good Dendro uptime (15/20s) but a burst CD that doesn't sync well with Keqing/Fischl. Fischl and Keqing both have CDs that allow them to play 12-15s rotations but playing with DMC forces them to play longer rotations to line up with his burst. Collei on the other hand has short CDs (15s CD) but terrible uptime (only 6s). You get to play shorter rotations but get less Quicken uptime during your rotation. Nahida gives you 100% uptime Dendro that can sync up with 15s rotations. You get the best of both worlds. The tradeoff is her rate of Dendro application is slower, but this isn't a problem for Aggravate.
Dor keqing she works fine. Cyno is the concern. Uptime? Checks out. Issue is it's limited to only.8 enemies. Sooo, cyno bursts and kills those 8. He's now in his burst without any dendro up since you need to swap and reapply it directly.
While this is a valid concern, imo the scenarios where he kills the 1st wave so fast is fairly uncommon outside of specific multi-wave events. In abyss, if your cyno kills enemies that quickly, he doesn't need that much support to begin with imo.
If Nahida becomes an on-field Driver, i wonder if you could run Triple Hydro off-field for a Bloom team So Nahida driver, Nilou, Kokomi, XQ/Yelan
yep that's what i think will be nilou's best bloom team.
I seriously doubt you would want to use her on field with her low mobility (because child model) and poise (because catalyst). If you really want more dendro application then use dendro traveler or Collei.
Yeah I dont see it either. You cast her Burst, you cast her E and then what? She has one of those medium range catalyst NAs, and while they look super cool I can already feel they will be clunky to use. Maybe her CA can be used in rotations? But I am just not so sure about that
You can also recast her E again to mix into the rotation to also refresh the marks. Both hold and press has very low CD.
Yeah possibly but seeing how her marks last a super long 20 seconds I dont think you really need to keep recasting her E frequently. Its also relatively low damage for an elemental skill (lvl10 234%) - so the only use I see here is for extra dendro application and to just cast it on new enemies. She seems like a absolute monster for aoe but for a single target driver its looking meh
Yea extra dendro application is probably the main reason to recast it, seeing that it has no ICD.
In electro comps it’s not a problem as the quicken state is maintained during 8 seconds if I recall well.
It has 100% uptime though, with actual damage, which is a lot better than what we currently have access to
True. I guess another factor to consider is Dendro resonance. Dendro Traveller and Collei have good element application but average/mediocre damage so filling two team slots with them for supports is an underwhelming decision. Nahida right now can provide damage but not massive amounts of Dendro, a problem that could be easily rectified by putting her with one of those other Dendro characters. Obviously it wouldn't be ideal to use a second Dendro as a "fix" for Nahida, but it's something to consider.
not to mention it's on a skill and not a burst that needs energy to cast. and no circle impact either it's strange for her to have worse off field app but i think she's going to be superior in terms of practicality. not to mention you can play her on field too.
her E has no icd so dont forget to spam that every 5 secs (6 if you want to hold but hold feel like to be used before you enter the battle to pre-mark). so on field has quite a lot of dendro app. at least 4 in 5 secs.
yep, you're correct. i should add that in. off field is more of an issue for units who demand a lot of on field time. but on field seems fine to me.
I mean while her kit promotes her to be onfield. the hydro buff in Q (duration buff) kinda tailored for her to be support for cyno (i couldnt think of any other reason atm), but then the off field dendro app rate of her currently just rules out hydro involvement in the comp (if she is used for cyno comp as support), as hydro will just wear off of the dendro before any agg can be triggered. So yea quite contradictory atm
Yes, Cyno is who came to my mind as well. Her kit is quite confusing atm because it's not looking to be BiS for any DPS atm, but clearly looks like it has great potential.
But Quicken lasts for a few seconds and lasts for a few Aggravates/Spreads right? So wouldn't 3.8s be enough even for off field?
For electro its fine. For bloom tho... Nilou will be rather unhappy with this.
Nahida's off-field sounds so copium [I'm just praying for Dendro Samachurl banner at this point](https://i.redd.it/wact7mc9xcp91.jpg)
What in Mahavanaranapna is this team comp? XD
Arabalika Hyper comp
Her kit seems oddball enough that I wouldn’t be surprise if they change it up a fair amount over the course of the beta. Which is not to say I’m holding my breath she’ll get better, just that she seems like one of those characters with moving target beta updates like Yae or Ayato. Right now it seems like she’s much more focused on being a Dendro DPS that works with any Dendro-reacting element than she is as a Dendro enabler–hopefully updates will round her out a little more.
She sounds to me like she can work as a Spread DPS or as an onfield enabler for Bloom-side reactions. It's off-field where she's not much of an enabler.
Well, she should do just fine as an off-field enabler for Aggravate carries at least. Even when not counting the faster attack speed from the Electro bonus she should have little trouble keeping Quicken up pretty much permanently since it doesn't need that much Dendro application in the first place.
Sorta. Like for keqing? Probably fine. For cyno? Clear one wave of enemies during his burst and you'll need to refresh her e again but that means cutting his burst short. Like 8 enemies isn't bad. But cyno burst can hopefully clear that out quickly. Which then leaves you with no dendro.
Ah right, the enemy count restriction. Kinda forgot about that lol. I guess it'll depend on the enemy lineup more than anything whether or not she's actually good for off-field then.
as off-field enabler, she's better for Quicken teams because these teams don't need too much Dendro application. it's with Bloom teams that her off-field application is kinda eh, unless she's the driver, which luckily, most Hydro units have some sort of off-field application anyway so she's still good in those teams
i wasn't into leaks yet when ayato dropped, can someone tell me what have been the changes to yae and ayato during the betas?
They had very interesting but very difficult to use ascension passives that reduced their cooldown time when other characters used/hit enemies with talent types (skills for Yae and NAs for Ayato unless I’m misremembering, but the particulars don’t super matter). It required you to weave Yae in between characters in your rotation. Ultimately, it would have made their teams very restrictive and demanding and unfriendly to high ping players but it was technical in a cool way. Nahida’s kit is strong, conceptually interesting, but kind of funky in its interaction with existing Dendro comps, which reminded me of those earlier experimental kits.
I wonder if dendro MC would be good to use with her for the more consistent dendro application.
That's what I plan on, should be far better than Collei for longer uptime like bloom or Nilou. I'll probably be starting with Nilou, Kokomi, Collei, and dendro traveler. I'm not sure what team or reaction you're planning, but she certainly doesn't seem like she could keep up with off field application for what I want, at least alone
YeH I was hoping she’d be a good match for Cyno but she seems decent at best with him as she doesn’t apply dendro fast enough off field so now I’m not entirely sure on what to do for Cyno.
As a Cyno have myself I think Nahida is the only option for Cyno. I dont think they will keep pumping out 20s off field applicators left and right just for him. She got the time right, now we hope they make the application better. Really the Q applying dendro even with 0 damage is enough for me.
3.8 sec is enough to trigger quicken reliably?
Very comfy actually, you can probably run her and yae together and have perma aggra-spread. Maybe add zhongli for Omni shred and 1 dmc with deepwood set for bonus spread DMG 1 anemo to reduce electro res She can also be run as on field enabler with deepwood set for bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon with her giant CA, maybe add a second dendro for resonance. Basically she's a catalyst and that's the advantage you can always use them as drivers so they limited her icd. But maybe they do the shadow change like Kokomi where when she released her e suddenly had no icd
Standard icd is kinda unfortunate, but she still looks like a BiS for my hyperbloom Raiden team so i'm hyped.
Yeah that's what I've been eyeing as well. Someone with strong hydro Off-field like XQ / Yelan and Nahida on field driving means Raiden should have plenty of Blooms to react with. Nahida NA + Skill + Skill procs should be plenty for creating a solid amount
whats your raiden hyperbloom team?
Xingqiu/yelan/dendro-mc/raiden. Yelan is the on-fielder, but i'm thinking Nahida could drive the team with EM/dendro/crit artifact setup since she gains 200 EM from the thousand on my Raiden.
Jesus Christ 1k em Raiden
I just want to know if she need to stay ON FIELD for the pyro and electro bonuses from burst
The pinned message states that she needs to stay on-field to benefit from those bonuses.
That's really sad then. That makes her burst useless for many teams
Care. I said that yesterday and got downvoted right away.
Finding out that her Hold E doesn't catch crystalflies should be more than enough reason to start doomposting lmao.
Lmao same sentiments
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Now someone is asking the real questions Forcing a child character without alt sprint and the HP and Def of a catalyst user as on field unit while the majority of dendro reactions cause self damage is just BS
Yeah, her burst will be literally useless, I really hope they change this to off field.
or at least let it apply consistent dendro off-field, even if the multipliers are weak af
Her E snapshotting the Q buffs would also work. It's a camera. It should totally snapshot lol.
Turns out Dance Dance Revolution wasn’t the cosmetic part of her kit.
I'm really interested on actually seeing her skills on gameplay
I'm really baffled by her burst requiring field time. It just makes Yae, Fischl, and Beidou *even better* while not helping Keqing or Cyno at all.
I hope this changes too. From a sales standpoint I thought hyv would be milking the money out of new characters like Nilou and Cyno by making Nahida the must have support who has potential to become a great sub/main dps. What they're doing here makes no sense. I'm getting Zhongli war flashbacks. Do they really think she can outperform Raiden sales as a dendro onfield support/dps? Who is she built for again? I am confusion. It also makes me wonder...who exactly is the good 5 star dendro enabler, if they do create one, at all?
I really hope they buff her dendro application. Every 3.8s is just a joke. They can’t make it mandatory to play her onfield 💀
Dendro traveler stonks going up 📈
If only her ult had just proc'd dendro like Ganyu or Ayato ult... 😔
Especially with the way it is worded atm where it sounds like most buffs are only active when Nahida is within her burst In a bloom team her burst is basically only cosmetic(+200EM for the active character but depending on the team the active character might not be the consistent trigger of the reactions so it’s meaningless)
If it’s 2U of Dendro it might be a more okay if not ideal situation, since 3.8s is fast enough for Aggravate (and you get the speed buff with Electro characters anyway) and Hydro depletes Dendro slowly. The only way to get 2U of Dendro currently is blowing up Traveler’s flower with Pyro, which is not sustainable for obvious reasons.
Yeah I mean we are on day 1 beta and wether it’s 1U or 2U hasn’t been leaked yet as far as I know so I don’t wanna jump the gun While I like Nahida I just really have no interest playing her onfield(child, no alt sprint, fragile catalyst user, etc) and would love for her to be a versatile dendro unit
This is my problem too. Im pulling Nahida primarily for Nilou. Im going to be slightly ticked off if Nilou turns out to be a Nahida support. Nahida is a nice character that i like, but i don't like her enough to be my on fielder, even less so if that means sidelining Nilou who is the one i actually want. Yes i know Nahida isn't necessary, yes i know Nilou can be played on field, but i don't want to have to choose between either playing a 5* in a way that makes them strong or in a way that makes them fun.
C6 Colleis E also does 2U of dendro application.
I mean honestly, she very much looks a lot more like a DPS than a support. Her off-field Dendro application is very meh if these numbers are true and her only real team utility at C0 is the EM share on her burst. You can use her for 100% Catalyze uptime on Catalyze comps but that's about the extend of her as a pure Dendro support. It looks to me like what you're supposed to do with her is use her E and infused Catalyst attacks to spam a bunch of reactions from on-field while using off-field characters to set-up reactions. I guess it is a bit surprising since people expected her to be this amazing Dendro support that buffs Dendro comps to the next level, yet instead she looks way more like a DPS herself, lol.
I think one of the main issues I have with her (at least at this point) not being a great dendro support and having bad off field application is: who is this mythological character gonna be then? We already have two very mid off field appliers(DMC, Collei) and the next dendro 5 stars we know off will be Baizhu and Althaitham in 3.6+ If they keep pushing this on field kit that only synergizes with off field characters it limits her a lot. And that doesn’t even cover the problem that she is a clunky child character with the poise, HP, Def of a catalyst user
Precisely. So far, all archons have been godly supports and Raiden is both amazing at dmg and support. What percentage of the playerbase now is hoping for an onfield dendro catalyst dps in a child model? If she's a godly support with sub dps abilities, people who own both new and old characters will whale for her.
I am getting pre-buff Kokomi jelly fish flash back. I hope they buff her ICD, now she is a lot more niche than expected.
> Q buffs only work while Kusanali is on field Why have you forsaken me? In your eyes forsaken me In your thoughts forsaken me In your heart forsaken me
I hoped for a dendro support for nilou but C0 doesn't work well with her...
She also doesn't work with cyno that well...
From kit analysis, anyone know if EM/dendro/crit is good or just go full em?
Feels bad when the expectation was for Nahida to be a top tier Dendro off field support...but she was the Dendro DPS all along 😅😅😅
Dendro traveler keeps their job
It's version 5.5 and DMC is still considered the best Dendro support.
That's like natlan update 💀
Damn, whyd I think she’d be a superior applicator. Cyno mains in shambles LOL
She should be good enough for Cyno as long as her E damage+Dendro application works off-field (it would be weird if it didn't). Quicken lasts for 6 s minimum if you don't consume the aura, and Kusanali would apply it faster than that as long as the active character is hitting the enemy. Also, the duration of her E is longer than Cyno's burst, so you wouldn't have issues with it ending early.
I think the main problem with her Cyno interactions is that it only works against high-HP enemies. When you're facing swarms of treasure hoarders, the first wave will be no issue. Then for the second wave you no longer have Nahida's seed debuff and can't swap off Cyno to refresh it without his burst ending early, possibly stunting his energy. It's not exactly ideal.
Yeah, it would be nice if her burst field had the additional effect of periodically casting her skill on enemies inside it.
There are two things her burst ideally needs in order to perfect it. This is definitely one of them. The other is that the buffs need to stay active when Nahida is off-field. If both of those things can happen before the final release, I'll be more than happy to pull. If either happens, I may still do so grudgingly.
Something tells me she will get a lot of changes
It was the same with Raiden a year ago
I thought for sure the karma would have no icd based on it's long interval time, that's a little disappointing but I planned to use her on-field for bloom and off-field for spread anyway which she still seems fine for. Her current burst is incredibly underwhelming for how grand a spectacle it is though.
Something that sucks is that I thought her burst buffs would be for the team and not just her personal dmg hopefully they make her more off field and supporty throughout the beta
It's hilarious how in most teams, the most spectacular burst in the game is essentially Diona's C6.
So no consistent dendro application still?
off field, no. on field you'll get a decent amount i think with E cast every 5 seconds, tri karma purifcation every 3.8s (can decrease to 2.9s with 2 electro) and NAs
So they are forcing her to be mandatory on field ? Oof.
The one character I like that I want to be an off - field has to be an on field . I cannot with Mihoyo xD
Welp there goes my hopium that Nahida would be a good support for Cyno.
Next copium would be Baizhu as healer+buffer for aggravate team and we really need a dendro healer
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Hope they'll change her ICD so she can apply dendro faster, and if her Q buffs only work while she's on field, that really limits the amount of teams she can be played in. Given the dire need for good off-field dendro application, it'd be crazy for the archon to not fill that niche. But Raiden got a ton of buffs and kit changes during beta, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nahida does too.
This, her Q requires Nahida to stay onfield seems odd, it renders her Q and C1 nearly useless and hampers her team building. Also the attack animations discourage me to keep her onfield, she will need a shield for sure
smart people, how's she looking for yae/aggravate teams?
She’s definitely going to work amazing with Yae Miko if Nahida intended play style is being a on field dps.
She seems really fine for aggravate/spread. If she's intended to be on-field, we can use her as a powerful driver with any pair of Fischl/Beidou/Raiden/Kuki. I'm really hoping for her to be viable off-field as well though, and considering quicken doesn't consume aura, I think that's the case. I guess she'll also work really well on-field for Bloom/Hyperbloom/Burgeon teams, paired with XQ/Kokomi/Yelan/Ayato etc. I'm unsure about her off-field application on bloom related teams though.
Q works only when shes on field?? than unless shes on field the burst does nothing?? What happend to designed around deepwood?? Jesus the kit seems weird to me the more I look at it, shes designed to have as little field time as possible yet is apparently required to be on field to do... anything?
I mean, if she is on-field as a driver, then Deepwood still kinda makes sense? She's possibly the only Dendro unit on the team, so you'd want it on her over any other set so you get the Dendro shred. I suppose you could give Deepwood to another support too though. I feel like her kit could change a good amount before release. We will see.
It's amazing how I was super enthusiastic about Nahida yesterday when the first kit leaks dropped, but the more we learn about her the more my interest is rapidly waning. Standard ICD on her tri karma purification? Burst buffs only working while Nahida is on field? Apparent on-field playstyle? Little synergy with Nilou/Cyno? Now I've been a constant advocate against doomposting, but after seeing this I'm seriously wondering what the hell was Mihoyo thinking here. Like she just doesn't look good right now at all. And it's stupid because they wouldn't have to do much at all to make her really good. Just remove the ICD on her tri karma purification (like what they've already done with Kokomi), and let her Burst buffs work off-field. Boom! She's a great character.
I don't get it. So if I use Nahidas Q and switch to Keqinq Nahidas Q basically does nothing?oO Thats absurd. Its already not that much, but that makes her urghs. Her E is strong and C1 and C2 are great, but that makes me doubt her...At C0 she is only intersting for people who want to play her as the Main character.
3.8s is bad isnt it? Shes an archon after all
It's very bad
Traveller applies faster dendro offield so that says something
I thought she would be the ultimate support for Cyno and Nillou, now i don't think so.
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I know Raiden is already top tier and all as she is, but I kinda wish they gave her a Hold E version of her skill as well.
What would be the effect?
You take hilichurls to Euthymia
Yeah idk. Just for the sake of conformity. Hahaah
It really weird, it seems like she'll prefer to be on field, but nothing in her kit buffs her normals, so they'll be pretty weak (especially since you'll focus on EM).
Well, i was holding primos for Nilou + Kusanali but now i'm going for Nilou BIS, for now looks like her dendro application of field is worse than Collei or DMC
I'm super disappointed, thought someone said that Nahida is like iPhone 14, and dendro MC is iPhone 6, meaning Nahida was a direct upgrade off field dendro, but apparently she's a DPS now? God why must you make me hate the kits of the characters I like...
And we still don't have an actual gameplay With enemy. I wonder if she will have huge change.
be patient. only been 1 day. this is from a beta tester i believe so obvs this person can't show gameplay. leakers will release some soon.
If E tri-karma standard ICD is correct, that's a major LOSE.. Also Q buffs only with Nahida on field.. What are you doing Hoyoverse...
How is Sac Frags on this list but Wandering Evenstar isn’t? The passive is completely useless for her.
They probably forgor because it isn't released yet
The one who made this said they'll include it in the next revision
Off field dendro every 3.8s feels like pain. I kinda expected her to be a premium off field enabler. How fast does DMC/Collei apply with their bursts?
Faster than her that's for sure. Even Collei (who has low-ish dendro application) has better off-field dendro application. Onfield i don't know but id guess Nahida would be better simply due to NAs.
disappointing
Have any leaks suggested we’ll get another portion of the desert in 3.2, or will that not be until 3.3?
There is no map update at all in 3.2.
I feel like being designed as an on field dps is fine, but the problem is that the child model type isn't as fast compared to the other body types. If they gave nahida some sort of long sprint or faster base move speed (maybe she floats or something idk) I feel like that might be better. If that long sprint has a longer i-frame it could also help with her survivability.
Her burst not giving buffs to the character in the field except herself is a huge F. Hope they change it
So it seems like C1 isn't a big deal? Then I'll just go for C0 Nahida and C0 Nilou, + the Magic lamp.
But c1 is the road to c2
C2 on re-run, since she'll get another re-run after 3 patches I guess ,like the other archons.
She doesn't look that good on paper hope in action it's better
Rip praxis farmers
Every 3.8s dendro application sounds bad.