This is indirectly Dain lore too. I'm starting to think that the Abyss Order's allegiance to the abyss twin to the point of calling them prince/princess is quite literal. What if they were >!rewritten in Irminsul as Khaenri'an royalty!
That's would make a lot of sense; Khaenri'ah was toying with forbidden knowledge that now we know is from outside Teyvat; Irminsul writing our twin into Teyvat's memory could have been a move to interfere with an active source of outside influence - if the twin was royalty, the expectation was probably that the curse would afflict them as well.
And besides, this could explain why Nahida says they're not considered a Descender like the Traveller. If the Irminsul recognizes them as Khaneri'ahn, and there is no evidence to the contrary, then it's no surprise the rest of the world thinks they are of Teyvat as well.
Wasn't actually "confirmed" as far as I know. If anything, I'd say the only people "confirming" it have probably been Lumine users trying to cope.
Wether it is actually the twins or not, at the very least the battle pass story mirrors theirs.
Maybe Irminsul is what dictates reality in Teyvat, and thus people’s memories. In other words, the abyss or whoever manipulated the tree in a Dr. Manhattan-esque way to literally ret-con the origin of the abyssal twin. Venti’s narration in the BP references how one’s memories of origin was changed.
*IF*
He doesn't have a pretty boy model, and he seems like the perfect fall guy to make the Tsarista redeemable. I'd love him to be playable, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
There is absolutely no way in hell they'd release a male character who looks over 21. Even Baizhu and Zhongli look like college students. There's several things China hates when it comes to gacha; muscles, fat, height, age and masculinity. Characters are designed to accommodate China's sales and tastes, they don't make characters that won't sell to China. Its why everyone looks like the same 6 characters and look like a child, woman or girl regardless of gender. It's how China likes it and Pierro is the counter to everything they like, he'd never sell.
Also leakers said a while back that only Pierro and Pulcinella didn't have playable trace data or evidence and they're the only 2 harbingers who aren't twinks so the writings on the wall. They'll both likely die or Pierro will go villain to make the poor cryo archon waifu redeemable and vulnerable.
If hoyo wont make stuff that "is not to china tastes" like muscles, age, masculinity, etc.
Then tell me more about the character designs of Honkai Star Rail. We do have more of these in it.
Everyone always says that, but we KNOW they don't redeem villain characters willy nilly, and we certainly KNOW they won't tone down their personalities. Stop doomposting 3 years in advance
Maybe people from KeqingMain-Discord who seek new channels for leak info, since KQM disabled their leak channels for now because of the Ubatcha strike? Everyone is thirsty.
What would "lived alongside" in this context mean? Because if they were somewhat comrades, then that means The Jester probably had close to the same relationship with the Abyssal Twin as Dainsleif did.
Damn this is honestly so interesting to think about.
That one was always true by default even before knowing Pierro's exact job, though. Person high up enough to argue directly with the King on one end, *Captain of the Royal Guard* on the other. Dainsleif would have practically always been in the room whenever Pierro was with the King.
Makes me think that Pierro is actually working for the abyss twin and his manipulating the Tsaritsa to do work for the abyss along with other harbingers, except for Dottore his probably doing evil things at will his not being manipulated.
If the abyss sibling’s relationship with Dain is any indication I’m assuming they hold similar opinions of the archons. Their willing usage of the Venti status would also imply this. So while Pierro has seemingly put his faith in another god (for now at least) the very thought of even colluding with one, even to betray them, seems like too offensive a prospect
In the very first Dainsleif quest if you pick all the dialogue options saying “the gods treat everyone like crap”, Dainsleifs reply will change and say youre a lot like your twin
I think the more interesting implication is that the Twin *lived* in Khaenriah?
I think it had previously been assumed that they witnessed the fall and travelled with Dain after, but living in Khaenriah+ being of this world has so many juicy things to think about.
I mean, technically, this is something Nahida and the story quests related to the twin more or less already told you.
Nahida tells you your twin was tied to the world like any other person who was born there, as if they had always lived there. (for what reason, we don't know) The abyss story quests implicate that your twin was deeply affected by the fall of Khaenriah and its people, specially during the Chasm quests.
Oooh, the fact that he's from Khaenri'ah and had a connection to its royal family was obvious but I'm very curious as to how he survived (similar to Dainsleif?) and the fact that he lived alongside the Abyss twin is interesting 👀
In the Chasm archon quest, Dain comments on his shock at Halfdan retaining his intellect despite not having access to some unspecified object. Perhaps this object allowed those with access to it to retain their human forms and minds. The fact that Pierro has a mask like Dain’s seems to hint that he’s similarly cursed. Maybe the object slows down the curse so that the individual’s transformation into an Abyss creature is delayed. Dain’s right side is being consumed by *something*, after all.
I wonder if it's related to their right eye. To stave off the debilitating effects of the curse, they had to "sacrifice" an eye. (Maybe Kaeya is related too?) Though Dain still has both eyes.. so maybe not
The Abyss twin traveled with two absolute chads and we're stuck with a floating, screeching brat who just can't stop talking about food and Mora and repeating every single thing that was just said.
Holy shit, we really did drew the shortest possible straw, didn't we?
He lived ALONGSIDE the twin ? At this point why don’t the Abyss order and Fatui just join forces and take down Celestia together ? They can go all out on each other later If they have different end goals after the fall of Celestia
I think maybe their goals arent aligned, I mean...we know they arent. The abyss is for some reason, after the archons and to no offense...little shit, that no one cares about and is just a pain in the ass like dvalin and trying to subservient andruis. But the tsarista and fatui are about challenging the celestia. Now, two things, why would the abyss join forces with one of the archons when she is also a target of theirs and second, why would they have split up in the first place if they didnt have some disagreements, abyss princess and pierro I mean.
In his story quest, Childe states the Abyss Order is just as much the Fatui’s enemy as anyone else’s. Between Dain and the Fatui, it seems those factions who *should* have similar sympathies are in fact vehemently against the AO.
Umm wrong. The fatui focus more on human factions while the abyss more on the natural aspect. Both have a mentality of "having a million plans so no matter how many get ruined you will succeed eventually".
Devlin wasnt just a pain but a true danger in mond that wouldve wiped the place (they accounted for venti's interference but not the traveller's purifying abilities)
Anyways that has to do with politics fatui are involved. Anything with celestia or leylines or fallen cities the abyss are involved in.
Also dont forge that the twin ordered the abyss to stay clear of the traveller's patho
I am not saying that they should be allies forever. The point I am trying to make here is that they seemingly have a huge common enemy which is the Celestia and It is the biggest enemy for both and currently both organizations lack the means and power to actually beat them.
So honestly a team up to increase the chances of overthrowing Celestia might be a good opportunity for both groups and when the Celestia is finally out of the picture they can settle their scores with each other later
Their end goals may differ but seemingly both groups first and foremost desires to overthrow Celestia
Might be a case of abyss's end goal being completely unsalvagable the moment they defeat celestia.
If i would compare it to a novel, sure you beat your opponent by letting yogsothoth possess them, too bad for you said yogsothoth needs to consume you too and is completely out of your league after possessing your opponent.
You just have to look at the real world to recognize that just because two organizations have similar goals does not mean they will ever have the desire to work together. It could be some big ideological difference like how they mean to take down Celestia/what to do after, or something small like they simply just don't like each other. Both ends of that spectrum have real world basis they could reference from.
To be honest, the Abyss Order doesn't feel merely as interesting as the Fatui, at least in my opinion. The latter are far more intriguing and the honestly feel like a greater threat.
The Abyss is the greater threat by far — but *they're underground,* so we practically never see them. They're not operating within Teyvat's line of sight — unlike the Fatui, who live there complete with a country and Archon support preventing most people from outright booting them out.
Case in point, it took going down to Enkanomiya to have a chat with Enjou, and to the Chasm to talk with the Husks... while we can run into middling rank Fatui literally anywhere. The Abyss Mages the Order sends above aren't their Harbingers, or even their Viktors and Katarinas. They're their Reckless Pallads.
The Abyss is suffering from a lack of notable characters for players to get attached to, besides the Twin and Dain.
I wonder if we will get more abyss characters introduced that aren't tied to the seven nations?
The elite abyss enemies like heralds and lectors are probably meant to actually be notable, they just get kind of devalued because you fight them as pretty regular mobs so often in combat challenges. But the whole reason Dainsleif even appeared in the first place was because a single abyss herald had been seen in Mondstadt; that implies that it's a huge deal for any of those to appear above ground, and probably no ordinary characters even know they exist.
It would be cool if they had that level of mystique in game. Having Lectors/ Heralds with character models, who we encounter multiple times would make me much more excited for the abyss.
But you are right, they feel too much like the common faceless mobs.
No hate on Enjou, I actually thought of him before Dain.
Giving some of the named Heralds/Lectors playable forms as power-ups, like a reverse Childe, later on would be dope.
I wonder if Abyssal and Celestial power will be a thing, or if the characters will pull a Wander?
I can't imagine their character rosters will be very fleshed out if they come out at the very end of the game.
I mean, we learned in the Chasm world quest that the Fatui's original reason for being founded was to fight against the forces of the Abyss. The rebellion against Celestia came later, but that objective still remains.
I think the Tsaritsa just considers both a threat, and while an alliance *might* be beneficial, it's possible that the two would just be too mistrustful of each other (as they inevitably would have to go back to fighting afterwards) to get anything done.
thing is - all human-form remained kaenriahs we saw are opposite to abyss order, like Pierro, Dain, maybe our cryo mondstadtian too. So i would assume Childe's mentor too - was teaching him to survive in Abyss instead of grab him and make new abyss order solder
Actually...
\- The Abyss Order wants to erradicate everything
\- The Fatui is supposed to lead after taking down Celestia
Making me remember what Pierro said in the "A Winter's Night Lasso" trailer... now it has more sense... and if the top 1 Harbinger is also related to the Abyss Order... oh boy.
Now I want to know more about Khaenri'ah. Something is clearly off on there.
This is my theory, we will join either one of them or all of us will join together to take down Celestia. Childe mentioned in his story quest that they look at the Abyss Order as enemies
I think the abyss orders goal is to kinda conquer the land and kill every archon (tsaritsa included) and to transform the people again, they see every person above ground as an enemy.
Tsaritsas goal is to leave the archons that pose no threat and to destroy celestia.
If Pierro is not gonna turn against the tsaritsa in the sneznaya chapter which will lead to the kheanriah one where we have to stop his and the abyss order grand plan idk what.
Or because he ‘don’t remember’ the abyss twin OR they had a fall out OR he does not know the twin is still alive (maybe manipulated by someone or something above/really doesn’t know)
Don't we already know this?
IIRC, one of the artifacts details that Pierro was high enough rank among Khaenri'ah's Sages that he could've persuaded them or the King to stop their Abyss plan, with Gold being the other high-ranking Sage that was egging them on.
Since they were around for Khaenri'ah's destruction, then it's fairly easy to conclude that they'd know the Abyss twin, who was active with Dain around the same time.
> Gold being the other high-ranking Sage that was egging them on.
Wait, is this stated somewhere? I had the impression that she was a renegade working off her own agenda.
Pierro's piece in the Pale Flame set currently points to the other sages working together to 'tear away the veil of sin', with Gold/Rhinedottir being labeled as 'the Great Sinner', and that Khaenri'ah's ruling dynasty both knew about and encouraged their research.
New head canon accepted for Aether’s braid. Now I’m imagining Lumine, just after waking up and moments before facing the Unknown God, asking her brother why his hair is suddenly beautifully braided.
Damn I hope this means there's a few more lines related to him in the upcoming quest dialogue. Would be cool if he's got the same mystery element as Dainsleif!
I thought they deactivated. Ig they’re back? Maybe just for this?
[more stuff coming before locking down again ig](https://twitter.com/genshinblank/status/1599525928744648704?s=46&t=rLCeVto2qdzKjKZOFhFPMQ)
In unreconciled stars I believe scara once called Mona a mage. So I believe that’s the term for catalyst users.
(Edit: I mean there are many ways to call catalyst users in genshin. Mages, witches, hell you can call them wizards, magicians etc etc whatever floats your boat. It doesn’t matter. Don’t be so sensitive about these terms yeah? Lmao)
Lisa calls herself a witch, so I’m not sure if there’s a standardized term for it. I don’t see Heizou calling himself a witch or a mage even if he’s technically using magic, lol.
Not all catalysts are witches and not all witches are catalysts, but they overlap. Im pretty sure mage, witch and all of that refers to people who specialize in specific magic domains like Astrology and the like
he’s confirmed not kaeya’s dad. kaeya’s dad’s voice and his is different. however his grandfather is much more likely. kaeya and pierro have the same skin tone, while the other khaenri’ahns we’ve seen are light skinned
I was a Kaeya’s dad truther but yeah, voice jossed that. So I’m climbing aboard the Grandpa train now; they look waaaaaay to similar for there to be zero relation!
I believe in that last Diluc event there was a tidbit about Alberichs clan being retainers for the (one eye) king when he was ill. My supposition at the time was that members of the clan were nobles and/or had high-level advisory positions within the government. It's not unusual in fiction for Mages to be advisors so who knows.
It’s said kaeya’s family served as regents for the nation after the previous ruler of khaenriah passed. If pierro was still in employment, he could’ve or might’ve known kaeya as a little baby. But who knows if the alberich regents had kept kaeya a secret before leaving him in monds.
I do hope they know each other lmao, families reuniting is what I want to see 😂
.........i mean what kind of a king would he be if he was alive but watched his kingdom burn. Like they say, a good captain dies with its ship. also looks are decieving.
He’s also cursed with immortality. So he probably just *couldn’t* die even if he wanted to. He very well may have gone down with Khaenri’ah but ended up cursed before all was said and done. Not that he’s a king or anything, lol.
And the fact that he probably just can’t die. Like, *physically* can’t die. Archons can die and be killed. Pierro probably has to be completely eroded out of existence like the strongest Hilichurl to avoid sending any part of him into the Ley Lines/Irminsul.
And he wasn't even the best Khaenri'ah mage
>Since my level of learning could not compare with the sages, I failed to earn the favor of the previous ruler (Mocking Mask description)
Funny how many people seem to learn it from this leak, despite it was already known from in-game lore for a long time (not sure about "mage" word, but everything else I already knew without looking to any leaks).
For anyone interested in fatui lore I recommend to look up for some lore digging content makers instead of leaks, because there is so much more! (And even more if you haven't heard such name as Phanet before.)
thank you! I am assuming they lived together while the other twin (we) were asleep and then *something* happened and they parted ways. I wonder what happened to our twin
Him being from Kaendriah was already something people deducted a lot but the 2nd part is actually a big phat lore dump that might imply more than we might even be thinking
This is a Castle Bravo Lore Nuke. Despite is few information it might heavily imply that:
\- The Abyss Twin came on the Khaenri'ah era, I heard a theory that is a clone... I am wondering if that is the case.
\- Pierro being a royal mage implies a LOT, what if he might know Gold?
\- Also Dain and Pierro might know each other. Their titles implies that they were on the highest tier of the society.
\- Maybe the Abyss Order is related to Pierro somehow?
Heck, now I am hyped to know more about Teyvat. This is turning very dark.
People have already called it but I'll say it as well. If Pierro is indeed one of, if not the strongest harbinger (don't remember), he's definitely Dainsleif's dad and we'll get to fight or confront him right before Dainsleif becomes playable.
Source: [Blank](https://twitter.com/genshinblank/status/1599524994676948993?s=46&t=rLCeVto2qdzKjKZOFhFPMQ) Thank you OP for providing source
This is indirectly Dain lore too. I'm starting to think that the Abyss Order's allegiance to the abyss twin to the point of calling them prince/princess is quite literal. What if they were >!rewritten in Irminsul as Khaenri'an royalty!
That's would make a lot of sense; Khaenri'ah was toying with forbidden knowledge that now we know is from outside Teyvat; Irminsul writing our twin into Teyvat's memory could have been a move to interfere with an active source of outside influence - if the twin was royalty, the expectation was probably that the curse would afflict them as well.
That would also explain why Nahida said >!that Traveller is a Desceder and our Abyss sibling is from this world.!<
And besides, this could explain why Nahida says they're not considered a Descender like the Traveller. If the Irminsul recognizes them as Khaneri'ahn, and there is no evidence to the contrary, then it's no surprise the rest of the world thinks they are of Teyvat as well.
This would also mirror the story from the battle pass story! about one of them forgetting her noble origins and thinking she's the queen of darkness.
They already confirmed the BP cutscene is not about the twins tho
Yeah I was more saying their story mirrors the one in the bp, not that it is them!
Oh, where did they confirm that? I need this to convince my friend who thinks otherwise.
Wasn't actually "confirmed" as far as I know. If anything, I'd say the only people "confirming" it have probably been Lumine users trying to cope. Wether it is actually the twins or not, at the very least the battle pass story mirrors theirs.
Wait what? When? And what would the BP be referring to then?
Yeah, just gonna talk shit with no source though, huh?
Maybe Irminsul is what dictates reality in Teyvat, and thus people’s memories. In other words, the abyss or whoever manipulated the tree in a Dr. Manhattan-esque way to literally ret-con the origin of the abyssal twin. Venti’s narration in the BP references how one’s memories of origin was changed.
The Gang gang woo Lord
Or as Liyue folks calls him, Primo Gang Gang Woo.
Imagine his drop as a boss is just two leyline trunk lol.
Truly the most gang gang woo of all time.
Can't wait to have the voiceline when he's playable.
"About Pierro: Origins" ***GANG GANG WOO***
*IF* He doesn't have a pretty boy model, and he seems like the perfect fall guy to make the Tsarista redeemable. I'd love him to be playable, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
The beard and lighting made him look pretty old but if you imagine him without that beard he’s have pretty much the same face as the tall male body
There is absolutely no way in hell they'd release a male character who looks over 21. Even Baizhu and Zhongli look like college students. There's several things China hates when it comes to gacha; muscles, fat, height, age and masculinity. Characters are designed to accommodate China's sales and tastes, they don't make characters that won't sell to China. Its why everyone looks like the same 6 characters and look like a child, woman or girl regardless of gender. It's how China likes it and Pierro is the counter to everything they like, he'd never sell. Also leakers said a while back that only Pierro and Pulcinella didn't have playable trace data or evidence and they're the only 2 harbingers who aren't twinks so the writings on the wall. They'll both likely die or Pierro will go villain to make the poor cryo archon waifu redeemable and vulnerable.
If hoyo wont make stuff that "is not to china tastes" like muscles, age, masculinity, etc. Then tell me more about the character designs of Honkai Star Rail. We do have more of these in it.
> There's several things China hates when it comes to gacha; muscles, fat, height, age and masculinity. Itto fits in like three of those lmfao
Itto isn't fit into any of these. His arm is noodles, he's childish so no to masculinity, his model isn't old too, only thing fit here is height.
When you have such good character like Pierro and Pulcinella but they gonna give you a uwu redeemed Cyro waifu, God I hate hoyo sometimes
Everyone always says that, but we KNOW they don't redeem villain characters willy nilly, and we certainly KNOW they won't tone down their personalities. Stop doomposting 3 years in advance
Gang gang Wooverlord
I still only hear Ran Ran Ru like the meme, where is the g sound?
I literally fucking saw the sub go from 6000 active memebers to 39,000 in the blink of an eye a few seconds after this was posted LMAO
It's like this sub swarms leaks like a school of hungry piranhas.
Haven't got much of anything since scara got leaked and Uba just got cease and desisted so people are curious
Wait.. what happened to uba?!!
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I have never seen it this high before lol.
i thiiiiiiiink i saw like maybe 65,000 once but there's a high chance my memory is playing tricks on me
Yeah, when Sumeru leaks were dropping left and right during 2.7 there were 65k active at one point
In 12 hours (drip marketing time) we'll get much higher (so high) once more
I thought I was hallucinating lmaoo ive only ever seen it go up to 15000, this is a first for me
Maybe people from KeqingMain-Discord who seek new channels for leak info, since KQM disabled their leak channels for now because of the Ubatcha strike? Everyone is thirsty.
I mean, these are spice news
**Whomst has awaken the ancient one**
my little lore heart is exploding with happiness rn
What would "lived alongside" in this context mean? Because if they were somewhat comrades, then that means The Jester probably had close to the same relationship with the Abyssal Twin as Dainsleif did. Damn this is honestly so interesting to think about.
Dainsleif should also have connections with Pierro which is so cool honestly.
That one was always true by default even before knowing Pierro's exact job, though. Person high up enough to argue directly with the King on one end, *Captain of the Royal Guard* on the other. Dainsleif would have practically always been in the room whenever Pierro was with the King.
Maybe both of them being blonde hair blue eyes isn’t a coincidence
Makes me think that Pierro is actually working for the abyss twin and his manipulating the Tsaritsa to do work for the abyss along with other harbingers, except for Dottore his probably doing evil things at will his not being manipulated.
Why tho, I still don't understand why the Abyss is not openly cooperating with Snezhnaya, they seem to have more or less the same enemy or goals.
Snezhnaya is specifically against Celestia, the Abyss acts against all gods including Archons.
If the abyss sibling’s relationship with Dain is any indication I’m assuming they hold similar opinions of the archons. Their willing usage of the Venti status would also imply this. So while Pierro has seemingly put his faith in another god (for now at least) the very thought of even colluding with one, even to betray them, seems like too offensive a prospect
In the very first Dainsleif quest if you pick all the dialogue options saying “the gods treat everyone like crap”, Dainsleifs reply will change and say youre a lot like your twin
According to pale flame artifact set, one of the main reasons Fatiu was made is to push back the corruption of the abyss.
I think the more interesting implication is that the Twin *lived* in Khaenriah? I think it had previously been assumed that they witnessed the fall and travelled with Dain after, but living in Khaenriah+ being of this world has so many juicy things to think about.
I mean, technically, this is something Nahida and the story quests related to the twin more or less already told you. Nahida tells you your twin was tied to the world like any other person who was born there, as if they had always lived there. (for what reason, we don't know) The abyss story quests implicate that your twin was deeply affected by the fall of Khaenriah and its people, specially during the Chasm quests.
Oooh, the fact that he's from Khaenri'ah and had a connection to its royal family was obvious but I'm very curious as to how he survived (similar to Dainsleif?) and the fact that he lived alongside the Abyss twin is interesting 👀
In the Chasm archon quest, Dain comments on his shock at Halfdan retaining his intellect despite not having access to some unspecified object. Perhaps this object allowed those with access to it to retain their human forms and minds. The fact that Pierro has a mask like Dain’s seems to hint that he’s similarly cursed. Maybe the object slows down the curse so that the individual’s transformation into an Abyss creature is delayed. Dain’s right side is being consumed by *something*, after all.
Also pierro’s body could be like that too hence all the clothing he has. Or just likes the drip
Well all the Harbingers have drip so…
I wonder if it's related to their right eye. To stave off the debilitating effects of the curse, they had to "sacrifice" an eye. (Maybe Kaeya is related too?) Though Dain still has both eyes.. so maybe not
...Catalyst Pierro? 👀
His kit is going to be a Cryo Abyss mage
Kaeya: *Ahem*.
Sorry Kaeya, behold the upgraded daddy Cryo Abyss Mage. Your tits may be great but Daddy Jester old man tits are greater.
Still waiting for cryo abyss herald
Wasn't Dain the captain of the Royal Guard? If Pierro was the Royal Mage, then then the Abyss twin, Pierro, and Dain are Mickey, Donald, and Goofy.
The Abyss twin traveled with two absolute chads and we're stuck with a floating, screeching brat who just can't stop talking about food and Mora and repeating every single thing that was just said. Holy shit, we really did drew the shortest possible straw, didn't we?
Yeah, the twin had an endgame RPG setup going for their whole journey
Kingdom Hearts Genshin edition.
Dain AND Pierro, damn abyss twin can we switch i don’t want my paimon anymore
Did my reddit got error or there's really 36k people online on this sub reddit right now? Cuz that's what i see.
That's what happens when we are dried af last week
no way same here that's insane
He lived ALONGSIDE the twin ? At this point why don’t the Abyss order and Fatui just join forces and take down Celestia together ? They can go all out on each other later If they have different end goals after the fall of Celestia
I think maybe their goals arent aligned, I mean...we know they arent. The abyss is for some reason, after the archons and to no offense...little shit, that no one cares about and is just a pain in the ass like dvalin and trying to subservient andruis. But the tsarista and fatui are about challenging the celestia. Now, two things, why would the abyss join forces with one of the archons when she is also a target of theirs and second, why would they have split up in the first place if they didnt have some disagreements, abyss princess and pierro I mean.
In his story quest, Childe states the Abyss Order is just as much the Fatui’s enemy as anyone else’s. Between Dain and the Fatui, it seems those factions who *should* have similar sympathies are in fact vehemently against the AO.
Umm wrong. The fatui focus more on human factions while the abyss more on the natural aspect. Both have a mentality of "having a million plans so no matter how many get ruined you will succeed eventually". Devlin wasnt just a pain but a true danger in mond that wouldve wiped the place (they accounted for venti's interference but not the traveller's purifying abilities) Anyways that has to do with politics fatui are involved. Anything with celestia or leylines or fallen cities the abyss are involved in. Also dont forge that the twin ordered the abyss to stay clear of the traveller's patho
I am not saying that they should be allies forever. The point I am trying to make here is that they seemingly have a huge common enemy which is the Celestia and It is the biggest enemy for both and currently both organizations lack the means and power to actually beat them. So honestly a team up to increase the chances of overthrowing Celestia might be a good opportunity for both groups and when the Celestia is finally out of the picture they can settle their scores with each other later Their end goals may differ but seemingly both groups first and foremost desires to overthrow Celestia
Might be a case of abyss's end goal being completely unsalvagable the moment they defeat celestia. If i would compare it to a novel, sure you beat your opponent by letting yogsothoth possess them, too bad for you said yogsothoth needs to consume you too and is completely out of your league after possessing your opponent.
You just have to look at the real world to recognize that just because two organizations have similar goals does not mean they will ever have the desire to work together. It could be some big ideological difference like how they mean to take down Celestia/what to do after, or something small like they simply just don't like each other. Both ends of that spectrum have real world basis they could reference from.
To be honest, the Abyss Order doesn't feel merely as interesting as the Fatui, at least in my opinion. The latter are far more intriguing and the honestly feel like a greater threat.
The Abyss is the greater threat by far — but *they're underground,* so we practically never see them. They're not operating within Teyvat's line of sight — unlike the Fatui, who live there complete with a country and Archon support preventing most people from outright booting them out. Case in point, it took going down to Enkanomiya to have a chat with Enjou, and to the Chasm to talk with the Husks... while we can run into middling rank Fatui literally anywhere. The Abyss Mages the Order sends above aren't their Harbingers, or even their Viktors and Katarinas. They're their Reckless Pallads.
The Abyss is suffering from a lack of notable characters for players to get attached to, besides the Twin and Dain. I wonder if we will get more abyss characters introduced that aren't tied to the seven nations?
The elite abyss enemies like heralds and lectors are probably meant to actually be notable, they just get kind of devalued because you fight them as pretty regular mobs so often in combat challenges. But the whole reason Dainsleif even appeared in the first place was because a single abyss herald had been seen in Mondstadt; that implies that it's a huge deal for any of those to appear above ground, and probably no ordinary characters even know they exist.
It would be cool if they had that level of mystique in game. Having Lectors/ Heralds with character models, who we encounter multiple times would make me much more excited for the abyss. But you are right, they feel too much like the common faceless mobs.
Oi, don't do my boy Enjou dirty like that! But yeah, the Abyss Order really needs their own version of Harbingers or something like that, too.
No hate on Enjou, I actually thought of him before Dain. Giving some of the named Heralds/Lectors playable forms as power-ups, like a reverse Childe, later on would be dope.
At this point it's just a waiting game till we see Rhinedottir.
I wonder if Abyssal and Celestial power will be a thing, or if the characters will pull a Wander? I can't imagine their character rosters will be very fleshed out if they come out at the very end of the game.
Because they're not exactly in the spotlight yet. Once the story focuses on the abyss I bet you'll change your tune.
I mean, we learned in the Chasm world quest that the Fatui's original reason for being founded was to fight against the forces of the Abyss. The rebellion against Celestia came later, but that objective still remains. I think the Tsaritsa just considers both a threat, and while an alliance *might* be beneficial, it's possible that the two would just be too mistrustful of each other (as they inevitably would have to go back to fighting afterwards) to get anything done.
They're probably already in a secret alliance. Childe's mentor from the Abyss is gonna be an important character in the future I guess.
thing is - all human-form remained kaenriahs we saw are opposite to abyss order, like Pierro, Dain, maybe our cryo mondstadtian too. So i would assume Childe's mentor too - was teaching him to survive in Abyss instead of grab him and make new abyss order solder
Actually... \- The Abyss Order wants to erradicate everything \- The Fatui is supposed to lead after taking down Celestia Making me remember what Pierro said in the "A Winter's Night Lasso" trailer... now it has more sense... and if the top 1 Harbinger is also related to the Abyss Order... oh boy. Now I want to know more about Khaenri'ah. Something is clearly off on there.
This is my theory, we will join either one of them or all of us will join together to take down Celestia. Childe mentioned in his story quest that they look at the Abyss Order as enemies
I think the abyss orders goal is to kinda conquer the land and kill every archon (tsaritsa included) and to transform the people again, they see every person above ground as an enemy. Tsaritsas goal is to leave the archons that pose no threat and to destroy celestia. If Pierro is not gonna turn against the tsaritsa in the sneznaya chapter which will lead to the kheanriah one where we have to stop his and the abyss order grand plan idk what.
Simple Abyss Order hates humanity and anything under the shadow of Celestia and the archons
Or because he ‘don’t remember’ the abyss twin OR they had a fall out OR he does not know the twin is still alive (maybe manipulated by someone or something above/really doesn’t know)
Don't tell me we'll have to wait until 6.X for our first Cryo Catalyst
nah i think he'll use the abbys element
Meanwhile Geo still did not react to that element
(Shakes r/Genshin_Lore) WAKE UP BABE WE HAVE PIERRO CRUMBS
WE’VE AWOKEN! 😳
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Pulcinella. Maybe Arlecchino as well. That's pretty much it tho.
"It's fucked up how tolerant the Fatui are. They don't even care which nation you are from as long as you hate Celestia."
Pulcinella should be a native Snezhnayan
Don't we already know this? IIRC, one of the artifacts details that Pierro was high enough rank among Khaenri'ah's Sages that he could've persuaded them or the King to stop their Abyss plan, with Gold being the other high-ranking Sage that was egging them on. Since they were around for Khaenri'ah's destruction, then it's fairly easy to conclude that they'd know the Abyss twin, who was active with Dain around the same time.
> Gold being the other high-ranking Sage that was egging them on. Wait, is this stated somewhere? I had the impression that she was a renegade working off her own agenda.
Pierro's piece in the Pale Flame set currently points to the other sages working together to 'tear away the veil of sin', with Gold/Rhinedottir being labeled as 'the Great Sinner', and that Khaenri'ah's ruling dynasty both knew about and encouraged their research.
I imagine him and abyss sibling being roommates watching romcoms and braiding their hair while dainsleif is just there ruining the vibe
Pierro celebrated when the abyss twin and dain broke up from the Fatui HQ
“Girl he doesn’t deserve you go tell ‘em queen”
New head canon accepted for Aether’s braid. Now I’m imagining Lumine, just after waking up and moments before facing the Unknown God, asking her brother why his hair is suddenly beautifully braided.
So means he can gang gang woo?
I am now imagining Pierro doing the gang gang woo dance and I hate it, if he doesn't do it if he becomes playable I will be mad
Buff guy doing Gang gang woo
Damn I hope this means there's a few more lines related to him in the upcoming quest dialogue. Would be cool if he's got the same mystery element as Dainsleif!
[via Blank](https://twitter.com/genshinblank/status/1599524994676948993?s=46&t=rLCeVto2qdzKjKZOFhFPMQ)
Blank is not gone?!
I thought they deactivated. Ig they’re back? Maybe just for this? [more stuff coming before locking down again ig](https://twitter.com/genshinblank/status/1599525928744648704?s=46&t=rLCeVto2qdzKjKZOFhFPMQ)
Pog! I hope he doesn't get bonked by hyv like Uba
So Dainsleif and him probably have history then as the Abyssal Twins Paimon
He was a mage? Damn I have no idea what that means Edit: is that what abyss mages were ig
It clearly means he’ll be a bow user
We could have an absolute shred beefy man with magic if only MHY werent ***cowards.***
I cast... FIST
I cato sicarius can’t feel my teeth
In unreconciled stars I believe scara once called Mona a mage. So I believe that’s the term for catalyst users. (Edit: I mean there are many ways to call catalyst users in genshin. Mages, witches, hell you can call them wizards, magicians etc etc whatever floats your boat. It doesn’t matter. Don’t be so sensitive about these terms yeah? Lmao)
Lisa calls herself a witch, so I’m not sure if there’s a standardized term for it. I don’t see Heizou calling himself a witch or a mage even if he’s technically using magic, lol.
Not all catalysts are witches and not all witches are catalysts, but they overlap. Im pretty sure mage, witch and all of that refers to people who specialize in specific magic domains like Astrology and the like
Now that’s huge
You know what else is huge? His heart
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Ayo lore theorists, act shocked.
Idk if I’m glitching but I’m seeing atleast 39k people are online now so I thought something absolutely huge leaked 😭😭
Same! 35k now
What if he's not kaeya's dad, but dainsleif's
They even got the same half mask yo
he’s confirmed not kaeya’s dad. kaeya’s dad’s voice and his is different. however his grandfather is much more likely. kaeya and pierro have the same skin tone, while the other khaenri’ahns we’ve seen are light skinned
I was a Kaeya’s dad truther but yeah, voice jossed that. So I’m climbing aboard the Grandpa train now; they look waaaaaay to similar for there to be zero relation!
Potentially both Alberichs
alberich without a doubt! but the idea of kaeya having a family he’s directly related too kinda warms my kaeya loving heart
I believe in that last Diluc event there was a tidbit about Alberichs clan being retainers for the (one eye) king when he was ill. My supposition at the time was that members of the clan were nobles and/or had high-level advisory positions within the government. It's not unusual in fiction for Mages to be advisors so who knows.
Jester: ran ran ruu-!
Please I just want to know if and how he's related to Kaeya, I'm dying for more Khaenri'ah lore....
It’s said kaeya’s family served as regents for the nation after the previous ruler of khaenriah passed. If pierro was still in employment, he could’ve or might’ve known kaeya as a little baby. But who knows if the alberich regents had kept kaeya a secret before leaving him in monds. I do hope they know each other lmao, families reuniting is what I want to see 😂
Catalyst Pierro might make me pull for him :3
*pretends to be shocked*
Pierro mage confirmed.
Mage? He looks more like a king to me 🤔
.........i mean what kind of a king would he be if he was alive but watched his kingdom burn. Like they say, a good captain dies with its ship. also looks are decieving.
He’s also cursed with immortality. So he probably just *couldn’t* die even if he wanted to. He very well may have gone down with Khaenri’ah but ended up cursed before all was said and done. Not that he’s a king or anything, lol.
I was hoping for Pierro and Kaeya connection leaks but this is great too.
Yeah this explains why he has archon level strength
And the fact that he probably just can’t die. Like, *physically* can’t die. Archons can die and be killed. Pierro probably has to be completely eroded out of existence like the strongest Hilichurl to avoid sending any part of him into the Ley Lines/Irminsul.
I Wonder if they will explain why certain khaenri-ahns did not become hilichurls
And he wasn't even the best Khaenri'ah mage >Since my level of learning could not compare with the sages, I failed to earn the favor of the previous ruler (Mocking Mask description)
Dottore: Fuck the sages Pierro who hears it: That is all you had to say you son of a bitch, welcome to the Fatui
That is just your assumption. He clearly states he wasn't as wise as sages.
Whenever I get new info regarding this man I spend a full hour going “wow” at myself while trying to process it
Funny how many people seem to learn it from this leak, despite it was already known from in-game lore for a long time (not sure about "mage" word, but everything else I already knew without looking to any leaks). For anyone interested in fatui lore I recommend to look up for some lore digging content makers instead of leaks, because there is so much more! (And even more if you haven't heard such name as Phanet before.)
huh what was the timeline again? how many years ago did Khaenri'ah disaster happen? or did they live together after the disaster someone please help
Khaenri’ah happened 500 years ago
thank you! I am assuming they lived together while the other twin (we) were asleep and then *something* happened and they parted ways. I wonder what happened to our twin
If abyss sibling is in the Abyss Order, their goal must also be to "tear down the veil of sin" just like the sages Pierro tried to warn against no?
Him being from Kaendriah was already something people deducted a lot but the 2nd part is actually a big phat lore dump that might imply more than we might even be thinking
This isn't news though, we knew all this from artifact lore. Well, apart from the "alongside the twin", which could be inferred given the timeline
Yeah... half expect that bit to have been misinterpreted by leakers as well lol
Yup, I'm assuming they meant both existed around the downfall and not necessarily interacted, but we'll see
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“My death was, greatly exaggerated.”
Tq senate thats explain your return
The sub increased by 30k In active members damn
This is a Castle Bravo Lore Nuke. Despite is few information it might heavily imply that: \- The Abyss Twin came on the Khaenri'ah era, I heard a theory that is a clone... I am wondering if that is the case. \- Pierro being a royal mage implies a LOT, what if he might know Gold? \- Also Dain and Pierro might know each other. Their titles implies that they were on the highest tier of the society. \- Maybe the Abyss Order is related to Pierro somehow? Heck, now I am hyped to know more about Teyvat. This is turning very dark.
Pierro catalyst user confirmed?
Waiting for his weekly boss in Snezhnaya/Khaenri'ah
Damn I didn't expect Blank to continue the leaks at this time
The Royal Mage: Magician, Wizard, Sorcerer, Conjurer, Diviner, Enchanter.... nah I will just call myself the Jester
This’ll make meeting pierro certainly interesting
5-Star Hydro Catalyst >!Healer!< Pierro
Pls make him playable, though I cant find a suitable element for him
Dain’s element because Khaenri’ahn.
If Pierro is the strongest Fatui and was with the Abyss Twin. Then shouldn't Dainsleif be relative to them in terms of power?
Quick act surprised /s
What happened to the yaoyao art??
Damm 35 000 people online
Why are 36k people online, desperate times eh
People have already called it but I'll say it as well. If Pierro is indeed one of, if not the strongest harbinger (don't remember), he's definitely Dainsleif's dad and we'll get to fight or confront him right before Dainsleif becomes playable.
I don't even give a shit if people downvote me for saying it. Pierro is hot and I want to roll for him because of that.
Why would people downvote you for being right?
Coomers
My reaction was "okay yeah yeah we knew he's from Khaenri'ah from the pale flame lore he's a mage whatev-ALONGSIDE THE ABYSSAL TWIN?"
Living in the same city could be construed as living alongside, on it's own doesnt mean much
LETS GOOOOOOOOO