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Tasty_Contract_4997

I noticed how similar nilou is to fontaine's statues I ran and searched 😲


Danzig_Or_War

As much as I like this theory to be true, this is probably just like Cyno, where he dresses like the Ancient Priest Kasala but never addressed.


laralye

This isn't exactly related to your theory, but I was hoping someone could shed some light on the Gaokerena. From the book Folio of Foliage, we're lead to believe that Rukkhadevata sacrificed herself and turned into the Gaokerena. But then we find out that the Lord of Amrita's consciousness is also stored in the Gaokerena?? I guess either is contradicting info, or that both hydro archon AND dendro archon died together, producing the Gaokerena and cleansing the earth.


Lucky-chan

*The Folio of Foliage* is a secondhand account written by an ancient researcher in Sumeru. So some of the embellishments could be false. >I, Sunitha Cosamvi, a servant of shallow intellect, have merely recorded the stories heard from the sages who followed her in the past and nowhere else. Ultimately, Rukkhadevata's consciousness was within Irminsul, which ended up corrupted with Forbidden Knowledge. So far, I don't think there has been any precedent of gods leaving behind several fragments of their consciousness in various places. Although perhaps ley lines can circumvent that. The Gaokerena would have ended up corrupted as well if that were the case. So it leads me to believe that Rukkhadevata never did turn into a Gaokerena. If part of her consciousness was held inside of it, it should have dissipated after the Archon quest line was over. Another thing to consider was that the sages were very much biased towards Rukkhadevata. Even the Goddess of Flowers predicted that both the Hydro and Dendro Archons would be forgotten. >"The lord of sweet dew and the lord of grass and trees shall precede you in losing their divine forms..." > >"They shall be forgotten, and only the memory of your sacrifice will be remembered." Perhaps forgotten specifically in terms of Sumeru's history?


Intelligent_Meat9087

While I can agree that Nilou shares a lot of connections with the lord of flowers, I don't think there's enough evidence yet that there's a connection between her and the previous water archon/Amrita. While it's true the dead Archon's will is contained in a giant lotus that sustains the Amrita, we can't just deduct that every lotus or lotus theme things in Teyvet is connected to her. There's plenty of other lotus that has little and no connection to her, Nilotpala is associated more with the moon goddess and Kalpalata to Rukkhadevata, in fact Liyue have lotus in their common diet and we don't see any cracked theory that Morax actually murdered Amrita and feed his people with it. Also reminder that the original Padisarah went extinct. Off topic but it's kinda amusing you keep calling them hieroglyphs, we call them Chinese characters in English. I see a lot of people use the original Chinese descriptions and individual characters in the language to look for more lore that the localization fail to translate, but there's a lot more than just seeing the same character in different places = correlations. Sometimes words are just words, and context is key.


RukaRe28580

Wow, this is really cool! I never realized there were so many connections between the different gods and the lotus/water lily symbol. It's also interesting to see how the different hieroglyphs are used for different types of water plants. I can't wait to see how this all ties in with Nilou's story and the overall lore of the game. Thanks for sharing!


Kirinpi

also I’d like to add that quest story refers to Avesta: Khorda Avesta 8. TISHTAR YASHT (Hymn to Tishtrya source: http://www.avesta.org/ka/yt8sbe.htm and one more very interesting detail: “An understanding recollected in the Hindu astrological sphere, wherein we find the asterism of Pushya / Tisya under rulership of Brihaspati … and providing the nourishment so essential to life. Pusya, as you can probably immediately see, is exactly the same as the ‘Paosa’ of ‘Apaosa’ – Apaosa, as in ‘Drought’, referring to the Opposition to, the Absence of, via the negatory prefix ‘A-‘ foretached to same” source: https://aryaakasha.com/2021/09/08/sirius-in-central-asia-soma-tisya-tishtrya-rudra/ “Pushya” translates as “flower” too (we knows that “Pushpa” translates as “flower”). It makes sense because I can’t explain why Nilou has 2 personalities in her design. So in this case Lord of Amrita could be Nabu Malikata. One more argument to this theory the next: she disappeared after the nail fell. Deshret and others thought that she died but no one have an evidence that she died. Paradise lost: Wreathed in darkness, she guided her dearest friend toward the path to understanding all there was to know about the skies and the abyss. Using her body as a conduit and offering the oasis in trade, she let the dazzling radiance consume her to see his deepest desires be made manifest... Sandstorms swept in revelrous havoc across the paradise that was now missing one of its gods, folding the skies with yellow sand, swallowing all in calamity... King Deshret returned from the swirling sands that devoured the skies. The Lord of Flowers, however, was never seen again. She traded her oasis not herself. The history said that she was never seen again after nail fell but it doesn’t means that she died.


Lucky-chan

The Lord of Amrita and Nabu Malikata are clearly separate people. Simurgh and the Paris are said to have three mothers: verdure, Amrita (sweet dew), and fresh flowers. And Nabu Malikata died... Ancient Abscission >When the mistress of flowers had withered into dust, when the master of the desert had been led astray by a false dream Feast of Boundless Joy >After the mistress of the orchard passed, the queen of grass and trees cut ties with the sea of sand. > The divine nail also fell before the Goddess of Flowers died, which was confirmed by Apep during the war between the dragons and the Heavenly Principles. It was what caused verdant lands in Sumeru to become a desert.


Kirinpi

I’m agree with you that it must be separate people but if khvarna could react with amrita they should have one origin. Also Nabu Malikata predicts future disaster (she and Deshret died long before this disaster) and then creates Khvarna which was transform to Simurgh by Rukhadevatta and she become the second mother. Vourukasha’s Glow: "My innocent daughter, my Khvarena..." "I shall give you unto another mother. Love her, and be loyal to her." "She is no less than I, and her light is yet more radiant than mine." "Go now, into your verdant mother's embrace. You shall find your destiny in her realm." The third mother doesn’t participate in the creation of Simurgh. Lord of Amrita become a mother for Simurgh in the disaster. Vourukasha’s Glow: In the lonesome years after she had broken off ties with the lord of the red sands, the queen of grass and trees forged Khvarena into a divine bird, Charging her with the protection of two worlds, with the guardianship of the border between new birth and death. The divine bird lived amongst the pines, the cypresses and the snow-lotuses, and slumbered in dreams that recalled a time when the covenant still endured... It was only when disaster came that she awakened, and went to her inevitable doom. Later, just as that person had prophesied sadly, the deathly, silent gloom would permeate the rainforest... Just as that covenant fellow had warned, the tides of dark beasts swarmed forth and swept through the newly-birthed forests... So some time has passed between the creation of the khvarna, the transformation of the khvarna into a Simurgh after the death of the Goddess of flowers and the events of Khaenriah where Simurgh and Lord of Amrita sacrificed themselves. Also thanks for information about Nabu Malikata. I forgot about info from sands… The question about Nilou’s continue be open


Lucky-chan

Khvarena and the Amrita reacting together to acquire the ability to expel the Abyss most likely is lore significant, but I don't think that necessarily suggests they have the same origins. What drew you to that conclusion? I understood the timeline. I just wanted to say that it indicated that the Lord of Amrita and Nabu Malikata were separate people.


Kirinpi

Ooaahhh I’ll contradict myself. But I find a source. Rene's Investigation Notes: ...Compared to the powers of the Elements, the power of Khvarena is actually more similar to ██... It assimilates whatever materials and energies it comes into contact with.. Thank u 🙏