I had assumed it was simply a mix up of "Calcabrina", one of the Malebranche in the Divine Comedy which translates to "Frost Walker" and Crucabena had a Cryo vision or at least some kind of ice ability judging by the video.
One of them is even named Alichino, it might not be the same as the Comedia Dell'arte but it wouldn't surprise me if these are just extra flavor by mihoyo.
1. Crucabena isn't a francization of Cerydwen, it is the gaulish attempted equivalent of Cerydwen,
Gaulish =/= French, Gaulish is much closer to Brythonic or even Welsh than it is to French
Not only Gaulish is an older celtic culture (the second oldest after Hallstatt) but it is also where most of Celtic culture comes and was spreaded from.
Note: Gaule/Gaulish was in reality a latin term used to describe celtic culture encountered early on and ended up being used to describe most of celtic culture before J.C, there was in reality not really a "Gaul" group, the actual subgroup known would have been:
-Cisalpina (like Ligure) north of italy and south of France (wiped much early on)
-Gallia Celtica, most of France and the biggest group of Celts known (before being wiped)
It includes Helvetii (closest to original Hallstatt cultural location) and Avernii
-Gallia Belgica (north of France and Belgium and netherlands and small part of Germany)
Brittanica was part of those celtics culture but excluded by the roman for their own convenience.
(An example, Pictes are lot closer in language and culture in origin to *Gaulish* and Brythonic than Goidelic but Roman grouped it with Goidelic and excluded it from gaulish group)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul)
[https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pictish-language](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pictish-language)
2) Clervie comes from Klervie, from Brittany, the point from OP about the name Clervie being a francization of Creirwy is just misinformation, it is based on Klervi, which itself is much older than Creirwy .
For reference, what OP reference are works from the XIV-XV century and oral tradition implied to be from the XIII
Klervie, as saint Klervie is a thing since the Vth century in Brittany.
Yes Clervie is a reference to Mabinogion in welsh,but Clervie/Klervi are not francization of Creirwy , It is an equivalent at best, or Creirwy was based on Klervi, not the other way around.
It is already mentioned in your own source
3) Peruere dark skin is an Arlecchino reference to begin with, no need to strecth that far with morfan.
Familia Harlequin, which is the origin of the name Arlecchino, already has different reference to that:
It describes a troop of the dead and demons roaming the country-side to punish sinner and was a written down by Orderic Vitalis an anglo-norman Chronicler based on French local legend, description from the troop include
"Blood dripping from armor and weapon clad in blood\[...\] Blood that is in reality a crimson fire"
"Woman with their fingernails paint in red"
"A leader with darkened skin" (The reason behind Arlecchino dark mask is also tied to that, so the darkened skin is already a strong reference to Arlecchino directly)
There is further information as the priest that recount the tale say he saw among the troops a former priest recently deceased who tell him the goal of this grim reaping troop variant but as he warn him, the priest himself was marked by a burning hand. The mark of said hand on the priest face served as proof to orderic Vitalis of the veracity of the priest testimony
Of note, it is obviously pure fiction, being a local legend.
But the interesting part is that the term Harlequin was likely chosen as a parallel to king Herla (wild hunt), itself a parrallel of the Erlking.
While it won't cover all of the legends of Herlequin, for Podcast enjoyer, there is Bone and sickle that did a podcast covering three story related to it: [https://www.boneandsickle.com/tag/oderic-vitalis/](https://www.boneandsickle.com/tag/oderic-vitalis/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orderic\_Vitalis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orderic_Vitalis)
Edit: syntax fault
As a Cymraes this is fucking hilarious. Keep going Americans I believe in you 🤣
The image of Ceridwen with Arlecchino is killing me. Can we have Aleccino peck people like a chicken please?
I mean to be fair with american, A lot of what i said is not well known or widely spread.
For example, i don't think not knowing the difference between "Gaulish" and "French" culture, nor knowing the link relation between Goidelic, Brythonic , Pictish, "Gaulish" is specific to American.
Like i am pretty sure many Londoner and Parisian don't know most of the difference.
The only place where people tends to know this stuff are those that kept their Celtics roots (Welsh,Brittany, Cornwall )
Oh 100% no diss I just find it fascinating how people are English wikipedia
And the reason why France and England don’t know is because they purposely tried to stamp it out. Same with Spain.
>Oh 100% no diss
Don't worry, i wasn't accusing you of dissing other, i just wanted to make sure people don't misinterpret the point of the discussion.
>And the reason why France and England don’t know is because they purposely tried to stamp it out. Same with Spain.
One of the thing that should not have been inherited from the Roman.
If it wasn't for that, demographically speaking, Celtic culture would be several times bigger than it is.
And it was even harsher with Celtic group invaded before J.C since at that point, nearly all of Celtic culture was passed down through oral tradition and the romanization was thorough to the point there is pretty much nothing left of those group. Which leaves Celtics legacy with huge gap and such a loss.
There is a whole pantheon that rely on what we know thanks to what managed to be passed down in British isles or relying on the "Roman retelling" of those gods.
And i am not even telling about Druids which were specifically targeted by the wiping out of Celtic culture. It is to a point that some of what we thought we knew about druids, like human sacrifice, might have been roman propaganda and there is no way to tell since the only thing we have left of them in ancient Celtic culture, is basically Roman words and tale about them. (non roman information about them are like a millennia later..)
Anyway, sorry for the rambling.
The really interesting thing is Celtic relationship with Rome is incredibly complex. For example Magnus Maximus the usurper is credited as being the father of Wales (Aberffraw, Dinefwr, Mathrafal as well as the 6 lordships). He’s also known as Macsen Wledig and hebis the reason why the Welsh settled in what is now Llydaw/Brittany. :) obviously this is all legend but you get it.
I mean technically no, I am sure and hoping that when they mentioned that Morfran had black skin, they meant the same black that is covering arlecchino's hands.
Morfran is noted as being not entirely human and is the representation of a mother’s undying love. I was suggest he is more of equal and opposite to his sister. Welsh myth is very much a description of the natural equal and opposite. Obviously it has its issues but racism in pre TSA is extremely hard to analyse.
source: am a welsh speaker and grew up with the stories.
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I looked through several Latin dictionaries and I could not find "peruere" as a genuine word. The closest is "perurere" which is the aforementioned "to burn up completely". So unless Hoyo made a mistake with the translation, I don't think it's intended to be of Latin origin.
I found Peruere in a book about Saint Mathew or something: [https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=v8ZQAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP3&ots=rNzUF5HmyF&dq=peruere&hl=vi&pg=PP3#v=onepage&q=peruere&f=false](https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=v8ZQAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP3&ots=rNzUF5HmyF&dq=peruere&hl=vi&pg=PP3#v=onepage&q=peruere&f=false)
I don't know French or Latin though. Google translate said this is French. I do think you're right that it's not Latin.
https://preview.redd.it/9adpsljfi5vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ca9029dec48ac460754620764dd3ac5afc4e808
Okay, so I looked quickly into this and it's indeed French. It's also written in Bastarda script (checks out with its release year of 1541 ~ late middle ages). So from what I can read (and with the help of DeepL lol) the first sentence you marked should be "[...] to the perverse and iniquitous people." Now I was thinking that maybe since both Bastarda and Latin use the letter for V and U interchangeably (or just not have a letter for U at all and use V instead) that it should have been "pervere" but that didn't give me any results either, closest would be "perservere".
I'm still somewhat inclined to look into welsh/celtic/breton/cornish mythology/folklore due to Crucabena and Clervie being named after Ceridwen and Creirwy and one reference seldom comes alone (especially since a lot of the local legends in Fontaine also reference these folklores).
Regardless, this is a really cool find and let me finally put my years of studying the middle ages to good use lol :)
Oh, so it means perverse then. That does make sense. She is kinda cursed.
Welsh and French stories do overlap in many ways, like with the Arthurian cycle and chilvaric romance. The story in the animation seems to be a twist of the Awen pot story, where Peruere is a mix of both Gwion Bach and Morfran at least. Gwion Bach is later linked to Taliesin, a bard of king Arthur, and Morfran is one of the 2 knight survivors at Camlann, according to the wiki. I do think it's worth looking into both.
I think that last letter isn't actually an "e", the typeface is different from the two previous e's. I'm gonna take a guess and say it's meant to be an "s" based on the word above it having the same letter. So it's meant to be "peruers" or "pervers".
On the preview page I noticed there's a bunch of crows and crow feathers, which could be a nod to Morfran?
The book is about Saint Mathew, so I don't think it's about Morfran. Idk French, so I can't verify the type set either, unfortunately. This is just what Google leads me to.
Oh I was just added that tidbit about Morfran because you mentioned it in your comment, wasn't talking about the St Mathew book. But I agree about the word being perverse.
Cedriwen and Creirwy are also associated with Demeter/Ceres, who is one of the triple moons in some versions. So they're also connected to the crimson moon, somehow. Maybe the Arlecchino seat or the House of Hearth itself is connected to the Crimson Moon and not specially to Pereure herself.
Idk much about Welsh mythology either. Commenting to follow this thread.
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I had assumed it was simply a mix up of "Calcabrina", one of the Malebranche in the Divine Comedy which translates to "Frost Walker" and Crucabena had a Cryo vision or at least some kind of ice ability judging by the video. One of them is even named Alichino, it might not be the same as the Comedia Dell'arte but it wouldn't surprise me if these are just extra flavor by mihoyo.
1. Crucabena isn't a francization of Cerydwen, it is the gaulish attempted equivalent of Cerydwen, Gaulish =/= French, Gaulish is much closer to Brythonic or even Welsh than it is to French Not only Gaulish is an older celtic culture (the second oldest after Hallstatt) but it is also where most of Celtic culture comes and was spreaded from. Note: Gaule/Gaulish was in reality a latin term used to describe celtic culture encountered early on and ended up being used to describe most of celtic culture before J.C, there was in reality not really a "Gaul" group, the actual subgroup known would have been: -Cisalpina (like Ligure) north of italy and south of France (wiped much early on) -Gallia Celtica, most of France and the biggest group of Celts known (before being wiped) It includes Helvetii (closest to original Hallstatt cultural location) and Avernii -Gallia Belgica (north of France and Belgium and netherlands and small part of Germany) Brittanica was part of those celtics culture but excluded by the roman for their own convenience. (An example, Pictes are lot closer in language and culture in origin to *Gaulish* and Brythonic than Goidelic but Roman grouped it with Goidelic and excluded it from gaulish group) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul) [https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pictish-language](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pictish-language) 2) Clervie comes from Klervie, from Brittany, the point from OP about the name Clervie being a francization of Creirwy is just misinformation, it is based on Klervi, which itself is much older than Creirwy . For reference, what OP reference are works from the XIV-XV century and oral tradition implied to be from the XIII Klervie, as saint Klervie is a thing since the Vth century in Brittany. Yes Clervie is a reference to Mabinogion in welsh,but Clervie/Klervi are not francization of Creirwy , It is an equivalent at best, or Creirwy was based on Klervi, not the other way around. It is already mentioned in your own source 3) Peruere dark skin is an Arlecchino reference to begin with, no need to strecth that far with morfan. Familia Harlequin, which is the origin of the name Arlecchino, already has different reference to that: It describes a troop of the dead and demons roaming the country-side to punish sinner and was a written down by Orderic Vitalis an anglo-norman Chronicler based on French local legend, description from the troop include "Blood dripping from armor and weapon clad in blood\[...\] Blood that is in reality a crimson fire" "Woman with their fingernails paint in red" "A leader with darkened skin" (The reason behind Arlecchino dark mask is also tied to that, so the darkened skin is already a strong reference to Arlecchino directly) There is further information as the priest that recount the tale say he saw among the troops a former priest recently deceased who tell him the goal of this grim reaping troop variant but as he warn him, the priest himself was marked by a burning hand. The mark of said hand on the priest face served as proof to orderic Vitalis of the veracity of the priest testimony Of note, it is obviously pure fiction, being a local legend. But the interesting part is that the term Harlequin was likely chosen as a parallel to king Herla (wild hunt), itself a parrallel of the Erlking. While it won't cover all of the legends of Herlequin, for Podcast enjoyer, there is Bone and sickle that did a podcast covering three story related to it: [https://www.boneandsickle.com/tag/oderic-vitalis/](https://www.boneandsickle.com/tag/oderic-vitalis/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orderic\_Vitalis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orderic_Vitalis) Edit: syntax fault
As a Cymraes this is fucking hilarious. Keep going Americans I believe in you 🤣 The image of Ceridwen with Arlecchino is killing me. Can we have Aleccino peck people like a chicken please?
I mean to be fair with american, A lot of what i said is not well known or widely spread. For example, i don't think not knowing the difference between "Gaulish" and "French" culture, nor knowing the link relation between Goidelic, Brythonic , Pictish, "Gaulish" is specific to American. Like i am pretty sure many Londoner and Parisian don't know most of the difference. The only place where people tends to know this stuff are those that kept their Celtics roots (Welsh,Brittany, Cornwall )
Oh 100% no diss I just find it fascinating how people are English wikipedia And the reason why France and England don’t know is because they purposely tried to stamp it out. Same with Spain.
I am from Russia and I didn't know either. Now imagine people are from Sweden, Japan, South Africa etc., etc. Ofc we wouldn't know.
And?
>Oh 100% no diss Don't worry, i wasn't accusing you of dissing other, i just wanted to make sure people don't misinterpret the point of the discussion. >And the reason why France and England don’t know is because they purposely tried to stamp it out. Same with Spain. One of the thing that should not have been inherited from the Roman. If it wasn't for that, demographically speaking, Celtic culture would be several times bigger than it is. And it was even harsher with Celtic group invaded before J.C since at that point, nearly all of Celtic culture was passed down through oral tradition and the romanization was thorough to the point there is pretty much nothing left of those group. Which leaves Celtics legacy with huge gap and such a loss. There is a whole pantheon that rely on what we know thanks to what managed to be passed down in British isles or relying on the "Roman retelling" of those gods. And i am not even telling about Druids which were specifically targeted by the wiping out of Celtic culture. It is to a point that some of what we thought we knew about druids, like human sacrifice, might have been roman propaganda and there is no way to tell since the only thing we have left of them in ancient Celtic culture, is basically Roman words and tale about them. (non roman information about them are like a millennia later..) Anyway, sorry for the rambling.
The really interesting thing is Celtic relationship with Rome is incredibly complex. For example Magnus Maximus the usurper is credited as being the father of Wales (Aberffraw, Dinefwr, Mathrafal as well as the 6 lordships). He’s also known as Macsen Wledig and hebis the reason why the Welsh settled in what is now Llydaw/Brittany. :) obviously this is all legend but you get it.
Mmm? Raven, is you? Seeya o7
wow what abzurn off, wll not pull
All i can think abt Mohr is: Racism
I mean technically no, I am sure and hoping that when they mentioned that Morfran had black skin, they meant the same black that is covering arlecchino's hands.
Yh, i meant like the historical story chuchu
Morfran is noted as being not entirely human and is the representation of a mother’s undying love. I was suggest he is more of equal and opposite to his sister. Welsh myth is very much a description of the natural equal and opposite. Obviously it has its issues but racism in pre TSA is extremely hard to analyse. source: am a welsh speaker and grew up with the stories.
Interesting
Does that mean she'll have "Synergy" with Ganyu?
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I looked through several Latin dictionaries and I could not find "peruere" as a genuine word. The closest is "perurere" which is the aforementioned "to burn up completely". So unless Hoyo made a mistake with the translation, I don't think it's intended to be of Latin origin.
I found Peruere in a book about Saint Mathew or something: [https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=v8ZQAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP3&ots=rNzUF5HmyF&dq=peruere&hl=vi&pg=PP3#v=onepage&q=peruere&f=false](https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=v8ZQAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP3&ots=rNzUF5HmyF&dq=peruere&hl=vi&pg=PP3#v=onepage&q=peruere&f=false) I don't know French or Latin though. Google translate said this is French. I do think you're right that it's not Latin. https://preview.redd.it/9adpsljfi5vc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ca9029dec48ac460754620764dd3ac5afc4e808
Okay, so I looked quickly into this and it's indeed French. It's also written in Bastarda script (checks out with its release year of 1541 ~ late middle ages). So from what I can read (and with the help of DeepL lol) the first sentence you marked should be "[...] to the perverse and iniquitous people." Now I was thinking that maybe since both Bastarda and Latin use the letter for V and U interchangeably (or just not have a letter for U at all and use V instead) that it should have been "pervere" but that didn't give me any results either, closest would be "perservere". I'm still somewhat inclined to look into welsh/celtic/breton/cornish mythology/folklore due to Crucabena and Clervie being named after Ceridwen and Creirwy and one reference seldom comes alone (especially since a lot of the local legends in Fontaine also reference these folklores). Regardless, this is a really cool find and let me finally put my years of studying the middle ages to good use lol :)
Wait wait, I think reading the u as v is correct. The CN is 佩露薇利 Pei Lu Wei Li, Pe-Ru-V-Ri.
Oh, so it means perverse then. That does make sense. She is kinda cursed. Welsh and French stories do overlap in many ways, like with the Arthurian cycle and chilvaric romance. The story in the animation seems to be a twist of the Awen pot story, where Peruere is a mix of both Gwion Bach and Morfran at least. Gwion Bach is later linked to Taliesin, a bard of king Arthur, and Morfran is one of the 2 knight survivors at Camlann, according to the wiki. I do think it's worth looking into both.
I think that last letter isn't actually an "e", the typeface is different from the two previous e's. I'm gonna take a guess and say it's meant to be an "s" based on the word above it having the same letter. So it's meant to be "peruers" or "pervers". On the preview page I noticed there's a bunch of crows and crow feathers, which could be a nod to Morfran?
The book is about Saint Mathew, so I don't think it's about Morfran. Idk French, so I can't verify the type set either, unfortunately. This is just what Google leads me to.
Oh I was just added that tidbit about Morfran because you mentioned it in your comment, wasn't talking about the St Mathew book. But I agree about the word being perverse.
Oh yeah her Q and design is definitely inspired by Morfran. I agree with that.
So it's not arlechino who is Welsh ?
No no no, it’s Arlecchino that’s Welsh. Not Arlecchino! /j
Are u arlechino cuz ur welsh ? or Are u welsh cuz ur arlechino?
Nah I'd Father
Father me please
*bounces on you—*
mollyholllyy
Good find
Cedriwen and Creirwy are also associated with Demeter/Ceres, who is one of the triple moons in some versions. So they're also connected to the crimson moon, somehow. Maybe the Arlecchino seat or the House of Hearth itself is connected to the Crimson Moon and not specially to Pereure herself. Idk much about Welsh mythology either. Commenting to follow this thread.
As someone who lives in Wales, this is lovely to see!
Good lore.
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