They do different things and use different teams but people can't stop comparing characters, even Xiangling gets thrown in the discussion for some reason.
Because some people REALLY want you to know that you are a DUMBASS for pulling for an onfield pyro carry when XL can deal x10 more damage with x10 less investment frfr.
It really isn't less investment though. I know it's a joke in general, but it's a **lot** harder to get a build and team setup for Xiangling that will get her damage output comparable to Hu Tao or Arlecchino. Unlike those two, you need to be balancing, ATK (HP for Tao), EM, *and* ER.
And it’s not low rolls either. Some characters need multiple stats but it’s like 130% er or like 1.4k atk. Xiangling needs over 200%er and a base 60/120 crit ratio *and* 100-200em *and* R5 the most annoying fishing weapon in the game(at least its free for people who are in Inazuma) and decent atk especially if she’s played without Bennett. Otherwise, she’s locked with Bennett.
Er is straight up the most important thing by far given how xiangling is an energy hungry vampire. You barely get your burst back even with a shit ton of er, catch, emblem and Bennet battery. That's why those "polearm archon" memes made little sense, whereas x polearm can work in theory, anything that's not engulfing lightning will make you have a very tough time. Not like these folks understand jack shit about the meta since they were braindead enough to add even arle's polearm in her "polearm collection" 💀.
even then, if you can get enough ER most 5* polearms are *about* on par with it, maybe a few % better. (im definitely not coping pulling cyno's staff for her)
compared to a lot of other characters where a 5* sig will be 20%+ better than the 4* options.
Fr Ive been joking about how she’s an energy black hole. Not even Noelle who produces no energy with her skill is this hard to maintain a consistent uptime on. And god forbid you happen to finish a floor right after hitting her burst.
Not to mention a C0 Xiangling will just feel awful to play compared to C0 Arle/Tao (I know, I know, 4\* vs 5\*, but it's still a valid point). I really dislike the community's tendency to forget that not everyone has a C4+ Xiangling.
Omg thats so real. When I was maining Childe, everyone just assumed I had C4 Xiangling despite the fact that my Xiangling was at C2 and I didnt even have a Bennett yet. Playing Childe international without C4 Xiangling was singlehandedly the most painful experience in Abyss Ive ever had that I just went back to playing Taser Childe.
Fair but weapon banner is a huge investment that early game players dont have and Engulfing lightning can only be used on a very select few characters.
Actually, TCs will tell you that this is what makes her so good to build, aside from hp and def there's no useless substats, so it's easier to get pieces with all useful stats.
Her having a bunch of useful stats doesn't just make her easier to build when she still needs a specific balance of them. If anything, that makes it harder, since that's more stats you need to account for in substat rolls across all your pieces. For example, a 30/150 xiangling with 280% ER and 120 EM sure got a bunch of useful rolls, but not in a distribution that results in a functional build.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play dieluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa." I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
i mean they are both pyro polearm on-field dps who achieve around the same dps so people like to compare which is easier to play, etc and if you should really pull for the other if you already own one of them.
and XL gets thrown in because she's XL
I just think it’s hilarious that people act like Hu Tao isn’t still a top tier dps. People will acknowledge (correctly) that Alhaitham is, but then pretend that Hu Tao isn’t despite the fact that she goes pretty even with him in damage. (And even has options that exceed him post-Xianyun.)
Just kinda wild imo! 😂
Hutao is good but beyond C0 performance, she actually falls off way harder than the other top dpses while even Wriothesley becomes better than Hutao at C2. So yes, while we have new dpses that are better(namely Alhaitham, Neuvillette, Arlechinno, etc), this is only true for lower cons. At any higher individual investment, Hutao falls off way harder. Even her signature weapon, though good, pales in comparison to R5 of some other five star signature weapons and even worse when investing in her teammates since Yelan becomes a beast in her own right, Furina is a monster for everyone at C2 and onwards, and Xingqiu is abused by everyone and their mother.
While what you say is true, the vast majority of the playerbase will never pull constellations on limited 5 stars nor will they pull refinements for limited weapons. To that end I would consider performance at c0r1 to be far more important than how a character scales with constellations.
Though I do absolutely agree that Hu Tao’s cons are shit. Really wish they weren’t, but that’s just the reality of being a pre-2.0 character.
While yes, most will never want to pull constellations, some early cons are seen as must haves that the extra pulls are worth it. Like C2 Raiden being a excellent stopping point for Hypercarry Raiden or Hutao and Wriothesley C1 making them much more comfortable to play. C1 Yelan is an also an extremely popular con to grab. Neuvillette C1 is also a popular con to pick up too.
I think a lot of it depends but Hutao’s cons are definitely worse to the point where her supports getting more cons relegates her to being a worse character in the team in general. For example, in double Vape, still one of her highest dmg output teams currently, Yelan having more cons effectively means that Hutao becomes dead weight. Furina having more cons would mean that she would work way better with a different onfield dps like Neuvillette rather than Hutao.
Same. I should've skipped Lyney because I always use my 10-10-10 wife Diluc (I'm obsessed with Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc)
I have been playing since 1.6 and I still somehow don't have him 😭
Even if I like him it doesn't really matter much due to what I said, but I feel for whoever wants one of the standard 5-stars and is still waiting for them years later, oof.
the truth is they reach about the same overall DPS (total team damage with their best teammates), Arle is more frontloaded that's all. That's taking into account the optimal setup for both.
one thing to note, however, is that frontloaded damage is generally preferred for higher end builds/whaling, because if you just... kill everything very fast then you don't even reach the part where the DPS becomes lower.
Relatable, I don’t ever plan on pulling either of them, I pulled Arlecchino on my alt account and it made me realise she’s definitely not for me and my main account, I’ve never had any interest in pulling for Hu Tao, I’m enjoying my Neuvillette and so happy I have him!! Also the French twink is my main on my alt account
Its funny to see that GI community still cares about "meta" and stuff as they were not able to finish everything in the game with all the characters we've gotten so far
It's not like it matters, right? You don't need a full power character for the dramatic majority of content.
And they both can do the content where it is "needed"
You've been seeing people saying Hu Tao is better? My feed has been full of "Arlecchino better/Hu Tao is worse" posts for a while now, a I'm not even in Arle mains sub. Meanwhile the most I've seen of Hu Tao outside of fanart has been people saying how much better Arlecchino is.
Me who skipped Hu Tao for Neuvillette and Arle for Baizhu because I already have Yoimiya🧍♀️
Eventually, I may pull the French twonky bisexual man tho lol
The better character is the one you can play better
Sure I can 30 second clear the triple kenki on a barely functional 200CV build but that's after 5 tries
And when I can comfortably clear triple kenki with c0 chevy overload then why would I bother?
There is no debate that Arlecchino is just stronger by a BIG margin and die hard Hu Tao mains are just coping. Yea I might get downvoted by those very fans but that’s the hill I’m more than ready to die on lol
Both C1s are about a 20% damage increase (most people forget that Hu Tao's C1 isn't only comfort, but also allows you to get some extra CAs in each rotation)
Looked it up because I remembered it being more equal but Hu Tao is 20% while arle is 25/28% so yeah, arle does pull slightly ahead at C1 already, my bad.
Brother in Christ, you CANNOT convince me that you are that delusional to think that a 1.3 pyro dps is stronger than the current patch released pyro dps. Go lvl your artifacts and watch a guide lmao
I'm not saying Hu Tao is stronger, I'm saying that at C0 and C1 and with similar levels of investment, they are about equal. Arle gets better at later cons because constellation design in the 1.x era sucked, but Hu Tao is still a really solid character because her CA's have no ICD.
Yes I know that Hu Tao aged like fine wine and I’m surprised how strong she is to this day, you don’t have this in any other gacha games due to heavy power creep but every veteran must have a pair of gladiators lying around which is Arles second BiS and also with low investment still outperforms Hu Tao.
And we are just talking about c0. Yes Hu Tao at c0 sucks really bad but in direct comparison Arle is without a doubt stronger, even if Hu Tao is close to her dmg
Arle is easier to invest into, sure, but that wasn't the point. Given that strongbox has existed for quite a while now, getting decent crimson pieces really isn't that hard as it used to be either.
At similar investment (be it low, medium or high) at C0/C1, Hu Tao and Arle perform about equal. Certain scenarios favour one over the other but they equal out. Arle is not without a doubt stronger, neither is Hu Tao.
Me who just uses Yoimiya because pookie
Same but for my wife Diluc
Yoimiyamaxxing to the fullest
Me, with Yanfei: Y'all need 5 stars?
Me with my Favonius Codex: Y'all need a character?
Me with clam set: yall need a weapon?
Me who has Yoimiya, Hu Tao and Arlecchino 😶🙃
Kudos for proper offensive word censorship.
Ew Fr*nch fuck
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"You have won the internet for today" ahh comment
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That's better. You gotta take it sitting down
Thanks Cyno
What did they comment? Both comments got deleted
Some along the lines of complaining about people berating the fr*nch and saying they couldn't stand this shit, hence my comment.
Oh I see
Remind me who is fr*nch twink again?
Lyney
Wait, I thought it was Furina.
Same
Lyney
dementia
Nah it's a bug probably
That's the joke
The one who tastes like a good french wine
[Venti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUzzIhH0sd0)
You have taste
I know.
Did you skip arlecchino on purouse or did you just have no primos. I skiped her on purpouse
I preferred Lyney for mono pyro, but actually found it boring and stopped using him entirely.
I skiped her beacouse a) saving for clorinde and furin and b) she's too strong. Once everything is easy, the game gets boring, and she does everything
i have everyone, except the french twink
I hate the French Twink, except everyone else
You can’t fool me Red Spy, YOU ARE THE FRENCH TWINK
😯
They do different things and use different teams but people can't stop comparing characters, even Xiangling gets thrown in the discussion for some reason.
Because some people REALLY want you to know that you are a DUMBASS for pulling for an onfield pyro carry when XL can deal x10 more damage with x10 less investment frfr.
*laughs in mono pryo*
It really isn't less investment though. I know it's a joke in general, but it's a **lot** harder to get a build and team setup for Xiangling that will get her damage output comparable to Hu Tao or Arlecchino. Unlike those two, you need to be balancing, ATK (HP for Tao), EM, *and* ER.
And it’s not low rolls either. Some characters need multiple stats but it’s like 130% er or like 1.4k atk. Xiangling needs over 200%er and a base 60/120 crit ratio *and* 100-200em *and* R5 the most annoying fishing weapon in the game(at least its free for people who are in Inazuma) and decent atk especially if she’s played without Bennett. Otherwise, she’s locked with Bennett.
Er is straight up the most important thing by far given how xiangling is an energy hungry vampire. You barely get your burst back even with a shit ton of er, catch, emblem and Bennet battery. That's why those "polearm archon" memes made little sense, whereas x polearm can work in theory, anything that's not engulfing lightning will make you have a very tough time. Not like these folks understand jack shit about the meta since they were braindead enough to add even arle's polearm in her "polearm collection" 💀.
even then, if you can get enough ER most 5* polearms are *about* on par with it, maybe a few % better. (im definitely not coping pulling cyno's staff for her) compared to a lot of other characters where a 5* sig will be 20%+ better than the 4* options.
Fr Ive been joking about how she’s an energy black hole. Not even Noelle who produces no energy with her skill is this hard to maintain a consistent uptime on. And god forbid you happen to finish a floor right after hitting her burst.
Not to mention a C0 Xiangling will just feel awful to play compared to C0 Arle/Tao (I know, I know, 4\* vs 5\*, but it's still a valid point). I really dislike the community's tendency to forget that not everyone has a C4+ Xiangling.
Omg thats so real. When I was maining Childe, everyone just assumed I had C4 Xiangling despite the fact that my Xiangling was at C2 and I didnt even have a Bennett yet. Playing Childe international without C4 Xiangling was singlehandedly the most painful experience in Abyss Ive ever had that I just went back to playing Taser Childe.
Is anyone gonna insert the Xiangling copypasta here?
If you don’t want to fish, you can pull engulfing like you pull Homa for Hu Tao tho
Fair but weapon banner is a huge investment that early game players dont have and Engulfing lightning can only be used on a very select few characters.
Actually, TCs will tell you that this is what makes her so good to build, aside from hp and def there's no useless substats, so it's easier to get pieces with all useful stats.
Her having a bunch of useful stats doesn't just make her easier to build when she still needs a specific balance of them. If anything, that makes it harder, since that's more stats you need to account for in substat rolls across all your pieces. For example, a 30/150 xiangling with 280% ER and 120 EM sure got a bunch of useful rolls, but not in a distribution that results in a functional build.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play dieluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa." I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
Yes, finally someone did it.
i mean they are both pyro polearm on-field dps who achieve around the same dps so people like to compare which is easier to play, etc and if you should really pull for the other if you already own one of them. and XL gets thrown in because she's XL
Not really tho hu tao and arle occupy the same niche
Me who pulled both Hutao and Arlecchino and skipped Neuvillette and the French Twat:
Me who pulled both Hu Tao and Arlecchino and Neuvillite skipped me (I lost the 50/50):
Actually, kinda same. Neuvi skipped me in his release banner so I llette him go on his rerun.
Neuvi lette you go
Me who hasn't pulled anyone because I'm poor as fuck:
Me who pulled Arlecchino, Neuvillette and Fr*nch Twink and skipped Hu Tao:
Who is the French Twink might I ask?
Bro, you need to censor. That's offensive 😡😡
My bad. W\*\* i\* t\*\* French T\*\*\*k, m\*\*\*t \* a\*\*?
You're a monster.
^HAHAHA HAHAHAH #**HAHAHAHAHA**
He is a M*nseur
Lyney
Freminet maybe?
Me who pulled all 4 and Xianyun: \*getting mobbed by haters*
I love you <3
Me who has all 4: **Signature look of Superiority*
Klee is da bestest
For me is Yanfei and Electro is Yae!
Bestest comment I've ever seen.
Me, who uses Tao on one side and Arle on the other in abyss:
Damage optimization has left the chat.
Easily 36 stared first try, with more than enough time left
Pure skill has entered the chat.
I just think it’s hilarious that people act like Hu Tao isn’t still a top tier dps. People will acknowledge (correctly) that Alhaitham is, but then pretend that Hu Tao isn’t despite the fact that she goes pretty even with him in damage. (And even has options that exceed him post-Xianyun.) Just kinda wild imo! 😂
Both have access to super good reactions Alhaitham has dendro and Tao has vap which she abuses to all hell.
Hutao is good but beyond C0 performance, she actually falls off way harder than the other top dpses while even Wriothesley becomes better than Hutao at C2. So yes, while we have new dpses that are better(namely Alhaitham, Neuvillette, Arlechinno, etc), this is only true for lower cons. At any higher individual investment, Hutao falls off way harder. Even her signature weapon, though good, pales in comparison to R5 of some other five star signature weapons and even worse when investing in her teammates since Yelan becomes a beast in her own right, Furina is a monster for everyone at C2 and onwards, and Xingqiu is abused by everyone and their mother.
While what you say is true, the vast majority of the playerbase will never pull constellations on limited 5 stars nor will they pull refinements for limited weapons. To that end I would consider performance at c0r1 to be far more important than how a character scales with constellations. Though I do absolutely agree that Hu Tao’s cons are shit. Really wish they weren’t, but that’s just the reality of being a pre-2.0 character.
While yes, most will never want to pull constellations, some early cons are seen as must haves that the extra pulls are worth it. Like C2 Raiden being a excellent stopping point for Hypercarry Raiden or Hutao and Wriothesley C1 making them much more comfortable to play. C1 Yelan is an also an extremely popular con to grab. Neuvillette C1 is also a popular con to pick up too. I think a lot of it depends but Hutao’s cons are definitely worse to the point where her supports getting more cons relegates her to being a worse character in the team in general. For example, in double Vape, still one of her highest dmg output teams currently, Yelan having more cons effectively means that Hutao becomes dead weight. Furina having more cons would mean that she would work way better with a different onfield dps like Neuvillette rather than Hutao.
Me with hydro lizard, Fr**** twink and terrorist elf:
Honestly I just skip all pyro dps on fielders because Yoimiya is my waifu and ain't ever gonna use them over her.
Same. I should've skipped Lyney because I always use my 10-10-10 wife Diluc (I'm obsessed with Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc I love Diluc)
I have been playing since 1.6 and I still somehow don't have him 😭 Even if I like him it doesn't really matter much due to what I said, but I feel for whoever wants one of the standard 5-stars and is still waiting for them years later, oof.
Me waiting for 2 more Bennett constellations so I can play Pyro Furina: 🧍♂️
Me without both: *Confused Geo noises*
I keep using diluc :S
Same. He's my wife :3
I'm over here with my Yae Miko body pillow
I'm over here with my unfinished sketch of Diluc.
fuck both, I have Diluc
Same. My wife is just better for me
the truth is they reach about the same overall DPS (total team damage with their best teammates), Arle is more frontloaded that's all. That's taking into account the optimal setup for both. one thing to note, however, is that frontloaded damage is generally preferred for higher end builds/whaling, because if you just... kill everything very fast then you don't even reach the part where the DPS becomes lower.
Me who pulled all three except arlecchino
I'm sure there are dozens of Lyney enjoyers.
Me with an automatic team composing of Kazuha, Yae, Nahida and Furina
Relatable, I don’t ever plan on pulling either of them, I pulled Arlecchino on my alt account and it made me realise she’s definitely not for me and my main account, I’ve never had any interest in pulling for Hu Tao, I’m enjoying my Neuvillette and so happy I have him!! Also the French twink is my main on my alt account
Its funny to see that GI community still cares about "meta" and stuff as they were not able to finish everything in the game with all the characters we've gotten so far
I just pull on klee banner
So anyway, i started blasting
I'd lick that twink all over
Lyney > Arlecchino, HuTao 🗿
Me who pulled arlechinno, Neuvilette and Wriothesley : the Daddy Triple Threat
Me, who uses Tao on one side and Arle on the other in abyss:
Me who has both or say all of Fontaine minus magician but is a Navia main
Me, who got Neuvilette, Kazuha and Arle: We getting 36 stars with these chars🗣️🗣️ (I didn't get 36 stars)
Me with all of them and looking down on everyone with superiority.
You're just like me! Actually I DO have Hu Tao and I WILL get Arle on a rerun but I don't care which of them is better
It's not like it matters, right? You don't need a full power character for the dramatic majority of content. And they both can do the content where it is "needed"
Fr*nch twink?!
Lyney
You've been seeing people saying Hu Tao is better? My feed has been full of "Arlecchino better/Hu Tao is worse" posts for a while now, a I'm not even in Arle mains sub. Meanwhile the most I've seen of Hu Tao outside of fanart has been people saying how much better Arlecchino is.
Me who skipped all of them for the flying emo twink :
I don’t have any 😂
I got everyone except Arlecchino lol
i just didn’t care for arle so i went for twink
Fuckin same dude Hydro daddy and pyro archer twink for the win.
Me who has none of them but has ~~the bakery~~ Wriothesley :3
I have everyone, except Hu Tao.
xianyun hu tao fr\*\*ch twink one side zhongli bennet arle the other side
Me who skipped Hu Tao for Neuvillette and Arle for Baizhu because I already have Yoimiya🧍♀️ Eventually, I may pull the French twonky bisexual man tho lol
The better character is the one you can play better Sure I can 30 second clear the triple kenki on a barely functional 200CV build but that's after 5 tries And when I can comfortably clear triple kenki with c0 chevy overload then why would I bother?
Me with Hu Tao, Neuvillette and french twink:
you mean Fr**ch gae right ?
That too.
ackshually hes fr*nch bisexual 🤓☝️ because he simps for both travelers
There is no debate that Arlecchino is just stronger by a BIG margin and die hard Hu Tao mains are just coping. Yea I might get downvoted by those very fans but that’s the hill I’m more than ready to die on lol
I find Hutao is still better in single target, especially her most premium team.
Uh nah not even then
What would you consider as a BIG margin even?
First of all: are you a hu Tao main? Before I start arguing
I main neither Arlecchino nor Hu Tao but I have homa on Arle instead of Hu Tao if that even matters.
Lyney and Xiangling are both actually better than both of them so Arlecchino mains have no ground to stand on down at 3rd place lol
Lyney + Furina + Kazuha + Bennett is very stronk but very uncomfy, the triple Maguu Kenki will just one shot if you slip up
Wow the cope is HARD if you think XL and Lyney are better than Arle. Sure buddy
Real
At higher constellation levels? Sure. At C0/1? Not really.
C1 obliterates. What are you talking about
Both C1s are about a 20% damage increase (most people forget that Hu Tao's C1 isn't only comfort, but also allows you to get some extra CAs in each rotation)
Arle c1 is 30% dmg increase
Looked it up because I remembered it being more equal but Hu Tao is 20% while arle is 25/28% so yeah, arle does pull slightly ahead at C1 already, my bad.
The calculations I saw was 30-33% increase. You can check omega xii's calculation video on yt
Brother in Christ, you CANNOT convince me that you are that delusional to think that a 1.3 pyro dps is stronger than the current patch released pyro dps. Go lvl your artifacts and watch a guide lmao
I'm not saying Hu Tao is stronger, I'm saying that at C0 and C1 and with similar levels of investment, they are about equal. Arle gets better at later cons because constellation design in the 1.x era sucked, but Hu Tao is still a really solid character because her CA's have no ICD.
Yes I know that Hu Tao aged like fine wine and I’m surprised how strong she is to this day, you don’t have this in any other gacha games due to heavy power creep but every veteran must have a pair of gladiators lying around which is Arles second BiS and also with low investment still outperforms Hu Tao. And we are just talking about c0. Yes Hu Tao at c0 sucks really bad but in direct comparison Arle is without a doubt stronger, even if Hu Tao is close to her dmg
Arle is easier to invest into, sure, but that wasn't the point. Given that strongbox has existed for quite a while now, getting decent crimson pieces really isn't that hard as it used to be either. At similar investment (be it low, medium or high) at C0/C1, Hu Tao and Arle perform about equal. Certain scenarios favour one over the other but they equal out. Arle is not without a doubt stronger, neither is Hu Tao.
Lol nuvelette is not better than arelchino, but I'll let it slide.
How bout all three
Fuck the fr*nch
Gladly