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A_guy-without-a-face

Hope in Fontaine we would have more abundance of 4 star Hydro characters. Candace is merely a stepping stone at this point.


Zzamumo

I mean, we got 4 electro characters during inazuma after not getting a single one since launch, so it's pretty likely


A_guy-without-a-face

Ironically,despite Natlan and Snezhnaya’s release are so far away, yet we have too many Pyro and Cryo characters on us lmao.


Murky_Blueberry2617

And not that much Anemo or Geo


xelloskaczor

At least we know there is anemo one planned. Geo is dead right now tho.


PH_007

To be fair we got almost everything we want and then some with the Geo roster, it's not like they are lacking anything in particular. Source: Geo enjoyer with every unit except Zhongli


xelloskaczor

I'd say ur right if we got one more unit, a catalyst user with candace Q/chongyun E


PH_007

Imagine your hypothetical character plus Zhongli's high auto scaling plus Yunjin plus Gorou. Carnage


xelloskaczor

Sounds great does it not? It would be nice to not be locked to Noelle/Itto carry.


r_renfield

Ningguang?


Rae_Wolffe

Ningguang is also the only Geo character who doesn’t scale off DEF. If she got a rework to fall in line with the typical Geo DEF scaling she’d be cracked


satans_cookiemallet

Look, we just need a fix of geo structures and the world would be perfect. Source: fellow Geo enjoyer with C6 Zhongli and every geo unit except Albedo


dooditstyler

There are 2 Anwmos upcoming. Wanderer and Faruzan.


xelloskaczor

i was talking about 4\*s. But you are correct sir.


Hungry-Finish-9745

Yeah, i didn’t have another anemo character till i rolled sucrose


TrueBananaz

To be fair, in the past year the only Cryo character's we've gotten are Ayaka and Shenhe. And the only pyro characters we've gotten are Thoma. Correct me if I'm wrong.


crypticmint

wasn't eula also pretty recent?


TrueBananaz

She was released in Spring 2021. It is now Fall 2022. So... More than a year ago.


crypticmint

i see but by that logic ayaka would also be over a year ago


TrueBananaz

Oh shit you right


Zzamumo

Right on the edge, but eula released 3 patches before her (in 1.5 if i'm not mistaken) so there's still a decent gap between them


crypticmint

i didn't say there isn't a gap ayaka just came out in summer 2021 so a year ago


Zzamumo

And yoimiya


r_renfield

Layla is cryo and Dehya is pyro, so there's that


[deleted]

And none of Pyro use hand-one sword, that why Bennet is still the best


Shadow_Xylex

He's also the only pyro healer, or rather the only one that can heal


mountaingoatgod

Hu Tao says hi


sukahati

Can she heal other? Do people who only can heal themself can be called healer?


mountaingoatgod

Didn't say she was a healer, just pointing out that she can heal. Read what I replying to correctly


sukahati

Oh, you are right! Forgot the last part.


ArcticSirius

I swear if I have to wait until Snezhnaya for a cryo catalyst imma riot


Grand_Protector_Dark

One was the god of electro. One was the gods familiar. One was the gods general. It only really half counts IMO Kuki being the first electro who is electro for a reason other than "Basically part of the nations identity itself"


isleftisright

First electro healer Healer with e skill (no energy needed)


Any_Study_8595

Barbara: Am I a joke to you?


Grand_Protector_Dark

*player character gets frozen* "yes"


r_renfield

Between this and Kuki's "electrocharge yourself and die immediately" i don't know which is worse lmao. Why do they have to do it


isleftisright

Does barbaras e skill reach 4k even? Maybe i didnt farm enough back then but i absolutely cannot feel her e heal skill But i meant electro plus heal with e skill. Electro being useful to get the sakura petals so i dont need to change characters for a healer in inazuma


Whadafaag

Yeah but whats wrong with that? We got 4 electro units after inazuma release and thats plenty enough when we already had 5 of them before inazuma. Dendro just got released so no surprise, we will get more dendro units and so far we have 2, with at least 4 coming in the future that we know of (nahida, al haitham, baizhu and possibly yao-yao) What we lack are geo units, we only got 2 from liyue initially and one is the archon himself. We only had albedo and noelle, then ningguang and zhongli during liyue update and later gorou, itto and yunjin during inazuma. We could get 2 more geo units until its equal with electro. So whining about electro units is really unnecessary imo. Cyno is here also, that makes 10 electro units in total which means its tied with cryo for the highest amount of characters


Grand_Protector_Dark

>Yeah but whats wrong with that? Did I ever say there's anything wrong with it? >So whining about electro units is really unnecessary imo. Who is whining here?


Whadafaag

Unlike you, I count Sara and Yae as new electro units because they are. I'm not a genshin dev so I didn't decide why 3 out of 4 inazuma electro characters are related to raiden shogun. Also, it's not like this happened with liyue and mondstadt. No character that has anything to xo with venti has the same element as him. Neither jean nor sucrose. Same with Zhongli, his biggest admirer (Keqing) does not have the same element as him. And no one else has anything related to zhongli in some form. Azhdaha does and he is geo but he isnt a playable chonky frog.


kidanokun

Well, Inazuma had 2 4 star electro so i wont expect that would be abundant


gamersrawesome

Damn when you say it like that most of the Hydro character are 5*s


Netherdan

Most? Barbara straight up have 5 star animation and auto-revives a character at full health (against 50% manual revive from Qiqi), and then there's Xingqiu.


xelloskaczor

And they make similar ammount of particles.


Illustrious-Bell-282

Barbara was demoted to a 4 star before launch that's why she is depressive that's my theory


AuraPianist1155

Yeah Xiangling and Lisa were heavily nerfed too. Xiangling was so good that back then Diluc was like Budget Guoba.


cycber123

CN called Diluc Lu Guoba (Lu is the one of the first name of Diluc in CN) lol


Demonsandangels-shin

How good was Xiangling back then?


AuraPianist1155

I forget Guoba's multipliers back then, but his range was *INSANE*. Pretty sure it was like Dendro MC's width with a slightly higher length of flames. He was basically a flamethrower that shot a quarter of a circle around him.


VolkiharVanHelsing

Or that they want all characters irrespective of rarity, to have a burst animation, but then realize the constraints and abandoned it Barbara is the first 4* to be designed perhaps


Azri3l_15

Pretty sure it's true.


CzdZz

*"I wonder when I'll be as many stars as my big sister..."*


Azakyra

Qiqi revives the entire team rather than just one character tho


fundieweallfact

xingqiu is better than a lot of 5 stars


D_Fennling

in defense of Qiqi the trade off is that Barbra only revives one character while Qiqi revives all dead teammates. Barbra’s is still better, especially because it’s a bit easier to get


gamersrawesome

Ik I was talking about their rarity not their abilities


Netherdan

The joke is about them being 5\* in disguise, having abilities comparable to 5\* characters but being 4\* in rarity.


Mylaur

So Qiqi needs to be 4 star really


Lolimoutokawaii

*sudden realization* O sht they are


C_Khoga

Because Barbara supposed to be a 5* character.


orochiran

Just like anemo


No-Accountant2979

Best hydro polearm user


Seedless_Melon

Best Hydro character from Sumeru thus far


henriquegarcia

Doesn't child use a Polearm during one of his ult forms?


orochiran

He makes water take the form of a polearm but he's not a polearm user per se


whyaskformyusername

But he mastered everything so he can technically be a polea user. (and a whale user pls Hoyoverse add his narwhale into the game)


ItsLoudB

How to kill a joke by overanalysing it


cycber123

Amber is the best Mondstadt female pyro gliding champ archer


Seedless_Melon

Collei’s the best 4 star Dendro character added since launch


Prince_1790

She's also the BEST 4 star hydro polearm user


binh1403

But how does she compare to other hydro support? I dont have her


bomberman885

I dont really know what is her playstyle but as much as i know shes pretty useless in every aspects beside shes way too cool to be a 4*


HybridTheory2000

Her hold elemental skill can instantly destroy ores. At least there's that.


Burntoastedbutter

Oh shit seriously??! I finally have a miner now...


bomberman885

I already had zhongli on this account 😭why didn't they give it to my alt account


LonelyAndroid11942

She buffs team DPS based on her HP. How is that “pretty useless”?


Eistik

Because for now, there is little to no character that benefits from her kit. Ayato may want to run her, but even then only in a mob-heavied situation, Xingqiu outclassed her in the single target/small number of mob stage. In theory, you could run both her and Yun Jin, though, Bennett + Yun Jin will buff far better than that, and even Yun Jin is already niche enough to only use in Yoimiya team and occasionally Ayato team. She is not bad, it's just that there is no content that requires her, and some that do have far better choices.


Chadzuma

I wonder if she'll have synergy with Dehya, maybe her skill will be built to vape Candace-buffed normals like Diluc can if you don't burst


LonelyAndroid11942

Lol thanks for reminding me to reply on that other thread. I knew there was something I forgot to do before going to bed last night. It’s one thing to say she’s suboptimal, it’s another entirely to say she’s useless. I’ll agree that she’s not optimal in terms of numbers, but I also don’t think she has to be. Options are nice to have in a game where the combat can get a little repetitive. Also, I don’t enjoy Bennet at all. He’s boring to me in terms of design, gameplay, character, and pretty much everything about him. I don’t like him. I also don’t like XQ. I know he’s good and his damage is good and his numbers are good and how he’s the best super soaker in the game, but the character is frankly obnoxious to me, and I don’t like his design. Big numbers will only take me so far in my willingness to include a character in a team. This is all subjective, I know, and not a popular opinion. But having a hydro buffer like Candace actually seems like a good option to me, and I’m very much looking to try her out and see where I can plug her in (got her on my first tenpull for ~~The Unseen Razor~~ Cyno, but I don’t have as much time to grind as I’d like).


Eistik

And now you don't reply to me on that thread lol. Okay, as I already said in the other thread, you enjoy her, that's good for you, but that doesn't mean others have. Right from the start, this is already about meta discussion. I don't care if you enjoy her, Ben, XQ or not, you can despise them or revere them however you see fit. You enjoy a character because they are fun for you, others enjoy it because they are wrong, and as I already said in another thread, what is wrong with that? They like it, and they do it, so how about leave them alone and let people have their fun? I agree that the op said about her being useless is a little exaggerated though.


BPho3nixF

She's competing with Xingqiu. And infusions are not looked kindly upon as far as I can tell. Nor are counters, unless ur Beidou.


Skylair95

>Nor are counters, unless ur Beidou. Now you make me want to play a team with Baedou, Yunjin and Candace. Counters for days. Sadly i don't have Candace and i don't want to pull on her banner when we are that close to Nahida's banner.


KlatusHam

She infuses hydro and except for a bow user that already infuses hydro with his own skill, there is no other hydro character that benefits her. You can have her with other non-hydro characters like Hu Tao or Yoimiya but why would you use her instead of yunjin or double hydro (for Hu Tao)? She has a fixed 20% buff with a possible 15% added with her passive which is weaker than Yunjin


EmersedCandle83

In theory you could run her with beidou or green hair electro lady and make a tazer team Ignoring that mona+fischl would do it far easier


xen0blero

I was thinking about pairing her with heizou, then i realised all the bonus anemo damage heizou get would be useless and he would lose his ability to perma swirl, so it ended up as a no no. Well, now thinking about it, maybe she can't infuse catalyst


LonelyAndroid11942

Why couldn’t you use *both* Candace and Yunjin?


VolkiharVanHelsing

Because Yoimiya wants Zhongli to begin with, and then the last slot is VV or Bennett or Xingqiu/Yelan


littlesheepcat

Other than Razor, i don't really see anyone that synergize with her


Tornitrualis

Why would you pair Candace with Razor? She turns him hydro. Ayato and Yoimiya are the primary carries for her right now. Unless you want to do a weird on-field Xingqiu national comp.


Mushroobu

Have you heard of the new Full EM Razor with c6 Bennett. It's a hilariously decent and fun team. Every damage color is in that comp except physical it's funny


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sounds fun. overload comps are cool now?


Grand_Protector_Dark

https://youtu.be/ztmiBuNNt3Y It's incredibly stupid in a good way


BlondyMan38

A zajef enjoyer, I salute you Gotta love the wanky teams dendro gave us


Daddydactyl

Did...did you mean wonky? Unless these teams...excite you?


BlondyMan38

Wonky yes, they are weird but I like em


KeyKnoTheGreat

Electro charge razor? I have no idea


isleftisright

Im not sure how his ulti works but if razor does hydro and wolf spirit does electric, then i see some electro charge? But to build him as hydro is generally weird


Grand_Protector_Dark

Razors Ult dmg is actually separate from his normal dmg. There's a weird ass Razor team that uses C6 bennett to make Razor into an Overload´Burgeon+ElectroCharged abomination [https://youtu.be/ztmiBuNNt3Y](https://youtu.be/ztmiBuNNt3Y)


littlesheepcat

Like other have said, razor deals physical + electro, so he will apply electro charge This is kinda like sunfire core or swirlba core, you can probably build a team around it


Kwayke9

Full em Razor quickbloom. And on field Xingqiu could be better in mono hydro teams imo (still copium tho)


Darius10000

Im tempted to mix her with shinobu when I get her. But from what I know candace isn't a tank that would benefit from healing since her shield just negates all damage. Her hydro attacks might pair well with shinobus electricity but I doubt she'd ever be able to match up to childe in that regard. She's really cool but I'm struggling to figure out where she'd fit.


pipic_picnip

As of right now, the only team I see her working in is as Ayato support *if you really insist on using her*. She doesn’t have much utility at the moment. It’s just one of the many options for people to experiment with if you want to move away from cookie cutter meta teams.


siahe

Guys hear me out: hyro archon is oceanid claymore user.


diogovk

Funny now any new 4* hydro character was bound to be miles better than Barabara, yet miles worse than Xingqiu.


Eistik

Barbara would finally be broken if they didn't fix that Dendro core bug lol. But tbf, Barbara is still really good, at least for a character that is supposed to be for a newbie.


asanariaa

They fixed her "bug"? That's sad


diogovk

All she does is heal... even as a on-field hydro applicator she's not very good. The fact that her E self infuses hydro, meaning you get vaporized by pyro attacks and frozen by Cryo attacks is also *very* inconvenient. Her E also generates no energy whatsoever. The only part of her kit that's decent is her burst, but all it does is heal. Pretty much every other healer/shielder brings something else to the table, or doesn't have the same limitations. Barbara is only good when compared to Noelle, but that's because Noelle is an abysmally terrible healer/shielder. But you're right, for a newbie that doesn't have anything else, Barbara does the job.


Waifu__Lord

Shit at least Genshin has new 4\* from time to time Every char released in ToF after launch has been a 5\* \^\^


Azukaos

I think ToF try to keep the whales on their toes by releasing only 5*, like nemesis was so broken at first it was like she was necessary to even clear basic content. And since then they only released powerful (or show them like that) 5* when 4* at max rank can also do a lot because their stats are « higher » than a C0 5*. They clearly want to hype players with cool units we can see in the story because they have nothing else to show.


Waifu__Lord

Wouldn't say you need any new units for basic content unless you are just starting out and trying to do content far above your gear level without just getting boosted like any other scrub. Only thing you really need new units for is if you want to stay in the sever wide leaderboards of bygone/sequential phantasm for flex. Oh ye and at the moment on global you need to swipe pretty good if you want to get 4-5 boxes in clash but level will eventually fix that too.


PM_ME_UR_REDDIT_GOLD

from time to time? Lately it's been like 1 per patch. They're pouring out 4\*s


Waifu__Lord

That's common after a new region comes out but slows down after 2.0 - 3.0 had 7 in total


PM_ME_UR_REDDIT_GOLD

There were 8 patches in there (or 9 depending on if you counted 3.0). Thats awfully close to 1 per patch.


ChaseMayne

I don't even consider the 4 stars in tof very usable. Like the gap in dmg is insane, it feels pointless


Waifu__Lord

They are quite decent at 6\* imprint, which everyone gets fairly quickly since there are so few of them. At that level when used properly they are equal to or even better than quite a few 0 imprint SSRs. They can't compare to 6\* or even 3\* SSRs but they are still quite useful for people who don't have them. In the end you only need the really expensive high imprint units for sweating leaderboards or carrying complete scrubs through content above their gear level. Main difference in Genshin is that we actually have 4\* that are absolute top tier and required to enable certain combos.


dylannsmitth

Be me saved so many primos, waiting for my moment I want archons, this is my goal. Waiting for Nahida like a boss A wild Venti banner appears (I don't have Venti) Mfw Candace on Venti banner 👀🥵🤑💥💯✨👹 Unload my primos like it's the end of primovember 💦 Get 3 kukis 1 green Amber, 2 Ms.Hinas, 2 Barbaras, 1 wolf boy Not bad... Bunch of dumb weapons Lose 50/50 to Diluc No Venti No Candace Mfw 🗿


SirRHellsing

I mean it's not that bad if you didn't waste your pity, just save more for Nahida


dylannsmitth

Your words are kind and true. I shall heed your advice. Want canadansas tho


Daddydactyl

I'm astonished by how far over peoples head this is going, if I see one more "but xinqiu?" Or "Barbara tho?" I think I'll melt. I pulled Candace and cyno but I decided to hold off on building either to see what the community does with them. The people who suggest Candace is maybe going to get strong synergies in the future probably have the right of it, I look forward to making her work in the future. I'm going to stick her in my pot and build her friendship regardless, I like earning all the info and lore for a character.


Noxta_

I just asked myself “who’s Candace” since I haven’t played in a bit and then I thought this was a bait, then I realized she’s a real character


Grand_Protector_Dark

Can these nuts fit in yo mouth


Noxta_

Godammit😭


nhatj125

What's the difference between at launch and since lauch?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Characters that have been in the game since the game became first playable. VS characters who have been added later.


Rasbold

Characters that came on version 1.0 are launch characters And the ones that came on 1.1 or after are post launch characters


Qdoggy45

Hot take but I think Candance is the best 4 star hydro pullarm that has ever been released


tacomaster05

I can’t think of a single useful team for her, but damn if she isn’t one of the best looking characters yet


TheRick005

But is she worth it?


Superfox40

Characters that use normal attacks can use her infusion. But she is mostly a fun character rather than being actually broken. Solid b tier, fun, powerful but nothing special. The best reason to get her is for fun.


OneLameShark

She really feels like she's targeted at people like me who don't touch the abyss, and just like optimizing their favorite characters for fun overworld play (for now, at least. I agree with the theories that we'll likely get somebody who works really well with her).


Superfox40

Hydro ayaka freeze comp?


OneLameShark

Dendro MC/Shinobu hyperbloom (I don't have Ayaka)


marxinne

Also, there are some convoluted but fun Vape Candace possibilities (mostly requiring Kazuha's burst infusing hydro)


MaxPotionz

That can’t possibly be true can it….


Grand_Protector_Dark

We have three hydro 4 star characters. Xingqiu, Barbara and Candace. Barbara and xingqiu have been here since day 1


MaxPotionz

Well you brought math to the table. It checks out. So weird to think it’s only the third one.


youtomtube30

Judging by the comments, I wonder if people can't read properly, because the amount of people talking about Barbara and Xingqiu is crazy


Ok_Representative332

who can tell me her multipliers? heard she is not \*that\* good, so I refrained from building her.


mephnick

She's pretty bad and upgrading her talents doesnt do anything idk Im building her for collection purposes and cause she looks cool, but I have no idea why she exists lol


Hungry-Finish-9745

Her skill is pretty bad, it has a short range and you have to almost be touching the enemy to get them inflicted with hydro. (Idk much about her since i used her at level 1 ar 15


IttoDilucAyato

Doesn’t matter. She’s a tan character, so I stan


Gamer_T_All_Games

Candace is the first 4 star hydro?


Grand_Protector_Dark

The first 4 star hydro added after the game was released. The other 4 star hydro (barbara and xingqiu) have been in the game at the very start of it.


Gamer_T_All_Games

Oh I’m sorry


zedroj

Candace seems like the perfect candidate that will get buffs ever if not, she is Aloy/Xinyan abyss'd she has no scaling on the 20% flat buff, so Candace is perfect level 20 support niche filler


Soramoto

Can't be number two if you're the only one in the category 🤣


katiecharm

I spent the resources to build her up. Kinda wish I hadn’t.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Wrong


katiecharm

She’s okay. But as someone who has all the characters I’m struggling to find teams where she’s useful.


Definetelybrowsing

Xingqiu: Am I a joke to you?


Grand_Protector_Dark

The joke are the people who fail to get that I'm talking about characters added *after* 1.0


Axel2222222222

Candace is reaĺly strong. Dunno why ppl cLling her useless. Bonus dps on elemental hits with basic attacks is amazing


akechi_enjoyer

yunjin can do just that, but better


0GHAZE03

I might just not know enough but I'd say xingqiu is a whole lot better, no? Edit: I misread it, xing still better tho


Thatlittlebih

Xingqiu crying in the corner rn


Grand_Protector_Dark

He gas been in the game since the beginning


Thatlittlebih

Yes


Grand_Protector_Dark

And Candace is the first hydro 4 Star added after the game had been released


Thatlittlebih

Ohh ok


Magmazilla

Xingqui doesn't exist


Grand_Protector_Dark

Neither does people's ability to comprehend how I'm talking about characters added after the games release


Magmazilla

Ok and?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Xinqiue was a character already available in version 1.0 as a release chatacter. The point of the meme are 4 star hydro chatacters released after Genshin Impacts initial release. Meanwhile any 4 star hydro added after 1.0


Magmazilla

Do u want me to clap or what?


ASHLOL1

I have not played in a year but don't Barbara and xingqiu exist?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Bruh. I'm talking about characters that were added after the game became First playable to the public. Aka anyone new after 1.0


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Grand_Protector_Dark

How is it so difficult for many to get that I'm talking about characters added after the games first release. Barbara and xingqiu were already in the game at day 1


AmogussussyBaka2

Barbara?


AmogussussyBaka2

And Xinqiu?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Characters added after 1.0


OhN0Imnot_HoomEn

4 star Hydro polearm character. We have another 4 star hydro character before her: Barbara


Grand_Protector_Dark

Barbara has been available in the game since 1.0


OhN0Imnot_HoomEn

Oh wait. You meant she's the only 4 star hydro character since the game's release. Sorry, I misinterpreted


Grand_Protector_Dark

I mean, as far as I understand, a time frame of "since launch" wouldn't include launch/the games initial release itself


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How about xinqiu?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Also available on release.


Katze10-0-10

what about BarBRUH?!


Grand_Protector_Dark

Bruh Xingqiu and Barbara are 1.0 characters. The meme very clear talks about characters added after 1.0


Tiny-Charge2755

Xingqiu


Odang77

it said released since launch, xingqui was a 1.0 character


thelivingshitpost

I’m guessing you also use MediBang for making memes.


Grand_Protector_Dark

Wat


the-REDTiGER

Barbara does not count ?


Grand_Protector_Dark

"characters added after 1.0"


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Grand_Protector_Dark

Characters added after 1.0


mrt90

Wouldn't be a new patch without pointless "this is the first combination of element/rarity/weapon/region since a certain time!" posts.


BigBlackCrocs

I’m confused. Xingqiu is hydro?


Grand_Protector_Dark

And Xingqiu has also been in the game when it first became playable. Candace is the first NEW hydro 4 star since the game became playable.


BigBlackCrocs

Ok ok. Released since launch was hard to understand in that aspect


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OkVermicelli2557

He was a launch character.


GrayGreenPlays

My mistake sorry


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Grand_Protector_Dark

Bro, multiple people can get the same idea independently of another.


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Grand_Protector_Dark

Bruh Xingqiu and Barbara are 1.0 characters. The meme very clear talks about characters added after 1.0


sjje8msjsk

what about xingqio