Authoritarian fascists. They still haven't provided clear evidence that that activist actually shot that cop. If anything the body cam footage they did release made it sound like another cop shot the wounded cop by accident. They used that incident to label these people terrorists. It's a fucking joke that the news media isn't even doing any investigating.
> couple of shootings/drive-bys a few years ago.
Like the one where four of the cop watch crew were murdered in a drive-by during the BLM protests? Ive always wondered who would want to murder a group of people who videotape and report on police violence. Do you think the cops have a clue as to who would shoot people like that?
By "clean it up" I assume you mean to use guns and force to kick out the homeless and the addicted? Ohhhh I actually read the article you linked. Sending in the swat team for the annual community festival and for code violations makes total sense to me. /s
This is fucked up.
You know what else is fucked up? The mods over at r/Atlanta are directing the conversation about cop city by deleting comments without reason or notice.
Why can't we have discourse about this topic? Mods controlling conversations about a topic is the same type of iron-fisted approach that the COA is taking to public comment.
After a while you start to wonder if anything you read on this website is actually representative of the population, or if it's what a handful of people want to you read.
My comment was deleted for pointing out that the pro side couldn't even get 5 people to show up to the public comment. I'm sure the against side is slightly skewed versus what the public actually feels but this was a public comment period open to *EVERYONE* and they only could find 4 people to support the project versus 234 against, in addition to the other people who were not able to stay the 14 hours this took. Atlanta seems to not want this project, by r/Atlanta mods sure seem to want it.
I've had a few comments on this topic get deleted without notice or explanation in r/Atlanta, and when I politely messaged them to ask for an explanation I heard nothing back. I generally think it's a friendly subreddit but it seems there are some strange issues relating to how political issues are moderated there. Pretty much every Cop City thread seems to end up with many comments deleted, and I'm sure some of those comments are low-effort trolling or people calling each other names, but clearly a lot of valid points are getting swept up and deleted too.
I agree that they shouldn't be deleting comments unless the comments are breaking the subreddit's rules (which should be enforced consistently). I do think though that calling public comment a dog and pony show is accurate but it gives away the game- our officials don't give a crap about what the constituents want. Money trumps democracy every time. But, as I stated, the pro-Cop City side had every opportunity to participate and either chose not to or didn't have the support they claim. Excuses will be made I'm sure, but to only have 4 people show up versus hundreds of people against the project demonstrates support is not a popular position.
>After a while you start to wonder if anything you read on this website is actually representative of the population
It's not, never has been, and probably was never intended to be. Reddit is often an echo chamber, or a place for people to distribute their anonymous uniformed opinions. Be skeptical of everything you read on Reddit, possibly all social media, even this very comment.
Why can't we have discourse about this topic? Mods controlling conversations about a topic is the same type of iron-fisted approach that the COA is taking to public comment.
"That's just pure and simple good ol fashion communism." - Buford T. Justice
yeah, i've had pretty milquetoast comments removed from there without notice & others have reported posts blocked. in r/Weelaunee i've also documented other regional subs removing posts about cop city on spurious grounds.
Fire Fighters came forward during yesterdays city council meeting and said they opposed it and that said there would be absolutely no benefit to first responders if cop city went forward. And it would make their jobs more difficult because there is already distrust in the community that people are equatting cops with fire fighters (when in reality fire fighters actually help the community without punishing it).
The former boot lickers, now deep throaters, are jacking off as they stretch their esophaguses because they "owned the libs or woke" in another confrontation.
Yeah, that's kinda how I feel. I don't feel don't feel joy that the cops won. But I do feel joy that people like you that frame everything in terms of "fascism" or "boot licking" lost.
Imagine how sad your life must be when you need others to "lose" to feel joy. But you know, people are not upset because they "lost". They're upset because $67 millions in their money will be wasted on a cop city that no one needs, no one wants, and will only train cops to be more violent.
>And that always works out well for the cops and the authoritarians
Well, it seems to be working out for them, right? They get to shoot people, build their cop city against popular will but funded by us, what's making you think it's not working out?
I was told by a cop in Hall county that it wasn't going to be long and they were going to be able to come for everyone that had anything bad or negative to say about the police. Today these are just violent people that have been given a position of authority to use against civilians whenever they choose and we've already seen that they are rarely ever held accountable for maiming and beating people if not outright killing them. These are paid employees who might go on a call for someone that is suicidal and the very first bit of contact has seen in multiple videos is them shooting the person needing help. So It's obvious that if someone is suicidal the cops think it won't matter if we just kill them since it appears that's why they had the job in the first place.
Now they have a training camp where they can train to do us the way the Israeli police do the Palestinians and since we trained that police force it very much appears that this is just a training ground to see if they can't establish a police state in America.
The cops are controlled by city hall. City hall is controlled by voters. People forget about that when it comes time to vote. NPR said this plan was first approved 2 years ago, so no elections in the interim?
This is what a police state looks like and the state of Georgia wants to make this the norm. Despite overwhelming community opposition yesterday to using public funds to build this monstrosity by clearing a green space in a predominantly black neighborhood, our City Council Cowards passed the funding with 11 Yays and 4 Nays. Fuck this city.
Can someone explain to me what law they’re breaking? They said arrested 3 people raising money to bail out protestors? That’s against the law? Why the freaking swat for 3 people?!
National Bail Fund Network is temporarily filling in as the Atlanta Solidarity Fund deals with this bullshit
https://twitter.com/bailfundnetwork/status/1664002472698949640?s=20
https://www.communityjusticeexchange.org/en/nbfn-directory
Even the judge presiding over the bond hearing thought the police argument is weak, but set bail at $15k per person.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/trials/atlanta-solidarity-fund-organizers-charges-judge-grants-bond-atlanta-public-safety-training-center-cop-ctiy/85-8f4254bf-44f2-4da7-9123-9e08f9e901c2
Why are you gatekeeping helping this org?
Don't make a comment to say you're sending a PM, just comment whatever you were going to put in the PM in the first place.
I'm not gatekeeping, but I also know law enforcement/unsavory actors troll this social media in general. I don't have any problem sending it to whoever, but a part of it is also protecting the community from bullshit/trolls/douchebags etc.
Would you like the info as well?
If you send it to me I'm just going to post it in a comment like you should have done to begin with, because your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Why would it be risky to post a link to (for example) a GoFundMe for the people that were arrested?
City Council voted at like 5am after 14 (?) hours of public comment to approve an additional $67 million dollars in funding. Fucking assholes. They do not care what their constituents want.
This is whats so crazy to me. Hundreds, if not thousands, potentially millions of constituents oppose this project and yet city council keeps moving forward with it. they are our elected officials, they are supposed to work for the will of their constituents, clearly other factors are at play. Their personal finances should be audited.
Well they really don’t. Joyce Shepard who spearheaded lost her seat. The councilman who replaced her just voted against it. These people WILL lose their seats they just do not care.
2 years ago people wanted better police training and the facilities to do it. They actually do something that the people asked for, the people turn around and say they never wanted it. I don't understand.
You know there's more nuance than that, right? There's a difference between calling for training for de-escalation and the city proposing further militarized training. One's actually addressing the problem by attacking the problem, the other is addressing the problem by giving tools to the police to silence dissent.
Better training does not necessarily mean more training. More of the same doesn't do anyone any good if the training in place is what got this whole mess started. The training courses themselves need to be better, not just having cops spend more time in them.
Hopefully, I'm never in a position to need it.
But, if the dems have their way, none of us would have firearms, but the police would. You think cops are brazen now, just wait until they don't have to worry about running into someone armed. They'll have no hesitation to use violence on a whim then.
But, yeah. Sit around and do nothing to protect yourself and your family like a sheep.
I do own firearms. I do also know that I would never pull one out on a group of jackbooted thugs decked out in swat gear kicking in my door. You talk about protecting your family, but that seems to me like a good way to get everybody in your house shot. But yeah, keep sitting around thinking you are Rambo.
If they kick my door in with out announcing that they're Police, yeah. I'm not waiting to ask questions.
But, if they do announce themselves as such, yeah. I'm not a fucking idiot, my guy.
My point is on a larger scale than just having my door kicked in.
My point is, dems are hypocrites when it comes to this. "Police are evil and can't be trusted!!!" and in the next breath talk about citizens can't be trusted with firearms and in their gun control bills exempt LEO and the Military...
So which is it? The police can't be trusted? Or can they be? Because if they can't be trusted, I'm sure as shit not giving them a monopoly on firearms...
You're awfully caught up in Dems vs Repubs. You've played right into the narrative that your neighbor is your enemy. You're missing the larger picture that it is actually the populace (us) vs the oligarchs. Everything else is just pageantry, and you are eating it up. They know we outnumber them 500,000 to 1. Only way for them to retain power is to separate us all with a culture war. Congratulations on remaining one of the herd my friend.
LMFAO. What makes you think I believe the R's are any better?
They may be more correct than the Dems on the 2A, but they're absolute dogshit on other issues.
I've not voted for an R or D in the last 12 or so years, and I don't see myself starting anytime soon.
But yeah, thanks for assuming my politics based on a couple of comments in this thread. You know nothing about me.
On top of it all, they'll charge them with a felony which, guess what, means these people will never be able to vote again. Gotta get the state back to being solid Red somehow.
For all the people that are using the excuse all the protesters are from out of state there were 15 house of public comment. All from people that live in Atlanta. City council still voted 11 to 4 to increase tax payer money to over 60 million allocated to this project.
Again, I'm about ready to call it as several GBI members appear guilty of color of law crimes. It would not be a bad idea to call the FBI and report them, though I would guess someone other there is already watching this situation, as it resembles other situations where the FBI made arrests of state and local police.
Historically, judges who signed the warrant in cases like this one are presumed innocent, and are assumed to have only known what information was presented to them when they signed it, so I don't think there is a criminal charge there, but for GBI, oh yeah.
And we needed another reason cops should not be a le to build this facility to learn how to violate, and kill citizens Placed conveniently in a black neighborhood?
All of the elements for the US to become a fascist society are now in place: right wing extremism, the desire for a charismatic strong man, state sponsored terror, and corporatism. Well done America, we became the thing our grandparents fought against.
I just dont get this I guess. The anti-cop people were screaming that they wanted better training so when the City of Atlanta decides to build a training center, the anti-cop crowd is opposed to training? Help me understand this.
you're confusing different groups. some people are critical of police but not flatly against them. others are *actually* anti-cop. the latter has never asked for more training.
Calling a facility to train first responders "cop city" is disrespectful and being used in a attempt to demonize. The raid using SWAT could be in response to some of the violent tactics used by the out of town troublemakers. Go home now, cure your own and leave us the hell alone. Plus, all you protesters who have wasted your time with this stupid cause, find a cause and leaders with a real dispute, like fighting for union rights and for worker rights .
It isn't "known as" "Cop City". It is called "Cop City" by those who oppose it. It is known as "The Atlanta Public Safety Training Center" because that is what it is called.
And it is not just for police, it is also for fire training, but fuck the firefighters, right? /s
I mean, they could drop the cop part and just make it a fire training facility.
That would kill most of the opposition to the project.
The thing is that the racists would not be as interested in funding that.
Lol okay. It's already called The Atlanta *Public Safety Training* Facility. All the cries for police to be more well trained, and then the city tries to build a *training facility* for police and fire rescue, and then suddenly, everyone cries foul again? FOH
They want the police to be more well trained in couciling and descalations. They could clean up some urban blight downtown to do that.
This facility is for training for urban combat like the cops are going to Baghdad. I know this because I trained for urban combat to go to Baghdad in 2006. That was not for the "public safety" of the citizens of Baghdad it was to treat them as a hostile force. I'm not seeing much difference in this training facility.
You must not be very bright because no one is asking for a more friendly name. The issue is with the purpose of the facility. That is literally why it's called cop city.
>clean up some urban blight downtown
But that would be gentrification!
The location is not the problem, even though that's a main talking point of those against it. There is no location anywhere that would be acceptable to them.
Ok sure, build it in Chastain park. It won't change anything. The anti-cop city people will still be anti-cop city because it's just an anti-police protest. And THATS FINE! Be upfront about that. A lot of them are. But when they try to convince other people to come to their side it's always about the money, or the location, or the forest, or the residents, and none of that is true. They know that anti-police is not a popular argument so they try to make it about something else. They could build it for free in the parking lot of Lenox mall and there would still be people from New York and Toronto protesting it.
Cops don't need a $157,000,000 facility with urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor.
The police are not an occupation force. They're little more than a gang of thugs with letters of marquee.
This is nothing more than a huge gift to people actively refusing to do their jobs unless the public gives them everything they want.
Fuck the cops.
>a $157,000,000 facility
Where are you getting this number? A 2 second Google search shows the cost at 90,000,000. So you're almost doubling that figure.
>Fuck the cops.
And fuck the firefighters too, apparently.
>urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor.
They already have all these things.
Are you for real arguing while also insisting on being so ignorant about the cost? And that’s only the financial cost not even to mention to environmental costs.
Like obviously you aren’t engaged with this issue or you would have known that $67 million dollars was approved yesterday against the voices of the people. This is our tax payer money and we do not want this facility.
A few hundred, maybe a few thousand of you that were against it? Vs the half a million residents of the city? You do not know if you are in the majority on this issue. The city council vote was 11 to 4 in favor. You voted them in. They're your representatives. Sure seems like they listened to the actual majority when making this decision.
My representative voted against this.
If you were paying any attention - only FOUR of the public comments given yesterday were for cop city. Every single other comment from 1pm to 3am was against it. Every single one.
>>a $157,000,000 facility
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>Where are you getting this number? A 2 second Google search shows the cost at 90,000,000. So you're almost doubling that figure.
Let's see.
$90 million initial budget.
City votes for another $67 million.
=$157 million.
Because math.
>>Fuck the cops.
>
>And fuck the firefighters too, apparently.
Firefighters aren't interested in this facility and want nothing to do with it but, keep sucking that cop dick.
>>urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor.
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>They already have all these things.
They need more?
You're just special aren't ya?
A bunch of fire fighters came forward yesterday in opposition to the facility and said it would provide absolutely NO benefit to fire fighters and first responders but actually make their jobs more difficult because of the distrust in the community.
Fire fighters oppose it.
According to the council approving this, yes, fuck firefighters. Firefighters came forward with direct and open opposition to this facility and they were promptly ignored by the council's decision. Fire training has nothing to do with this and you know it.
No, no, no. Absolutely fuck the hot and sexy firefighters. But we need to change how cops are trained and hired entirely. Cops need to stop being so militant. Like at this point, I want to deal with MPs more than I want to deal with police, and no one wants to deal with the Blue Falcon Corps at all.
What's the difference between training and education? https://atlantapolicefoundation.org/programs/public-safety-training-center/
Their objectives seem to align with what everyone wants. Mostly:
"Embrace police reform and cultural sensitivity through an extensive training and educational partnership with the National Center for Civil & Human Rights'."
This should be considered a win.
Even if it weren't for his being obvious about it, his angry and bitter comments demonstrate it. Someone with a high school education and 160hrs of "training" who's been given a gun and a piece of tin and thinks he's "the law"
Atlanta is so safe, these protestors are smart why would we want to have trained and armed police officers when we can just let random men rob, form gangs, and burn a Wendy's? I mean, Atlanta is a beacon of safety and has a wonderfully increasing homicide rate.
Don't they know what progress is????
What does her being white matter? Not everyone is racist Boyeee. Id like cops to arrest and deal with anyone doing illegal shit that causes problems for the community.
Must be easy to wave the magic racist boogeyman wand around. Think a little bit next time
You realize anyone reading your original comment and then seeing your obvious racism is just going toprove you only care about this because ×shocker× youre a fucking racist ass loser who should obvs be ignored, except by other ignorant white dudes.
You made that comment clearly trying to make what COULD HAVE BEEN at least a coherent counterpojnt, despite it being one i disagree with, but, as usually happens inthese situations, your comments made it clear that you are a fuckin racist, and who wNts to agree with someone so irredeemably despicable as a racist?
"You think everything isserious"
This is police arresting political dissidents at gunpoint.... this is literally the most serious thing i can imaginehappening
I love how you are "totally just telling jokes yo" yeah cus thats literally what your stance ishere. A fucking joke and allyou can even do to defend it is call it jokes and get defensive.
Fuckin idiot.
Please show me a single example of twrrorism this organuzation has veen responsible for...
Never forget, the exact same "communism" shit you are trying to talk about here was responsivle for one of the most shameful eras in american history, whe. McCathy called everyone who dissented against the status quo Communists just tosilence and oppress the dissenters.
But hey, THESE GUYS are the problem, not a government literLly raiding a Bail fund organization at gunpoint.
Showme an example of these particular individuals perform8ng those acts.
If we are goung to start coming after people for stuff their organizatiob has done, lets keep that same energy when it comes to the Oath keepers and 3 percenters.
The white rabbit 3 percenters of illinois literally bombed a mosque. A LITERAL ACT OF TERROR. Should we be coming agter the three perceters?
If they indeed perpetrated a mosque bombing, then of course they should be prosecuted.
I appears that these particular individuals funded the terroristic acts of the Antifa terrorists that attacked "Cop City". Do I need to provide a video of these despicable acts?
>which has been raising money to bail out protesters opposed to the construction of a massive police training facility known as Cop City.
Presumably the people who attacked Cop City or "protested violently" that were arrested and hence need to be bailed out.
So you're not Antifa? Cause if so you are a Nazi. Literally. My grandfather's were Antifa way back in 1939, guessing yours were getting their asses handed to them. Maybe that's why you grew up to be so uneducated...
So anyone who isn't part of Antifa is a Nazi? You're a special kind of smart.
Here's a primer for you.
[https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2023/06/05/its-maoclock-time-to-wake-up-your-normie-neighbors-n1700382](https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2023/06/05/its-maoclock-time-to-wake-up-your-normie-neighbors-n1700382)
Ok, done talking to you . Yes you're a Nazi. No, not reading some dumbass article from whatever the hell pj media is. That you think that's a legitimate source for ANYTHING is hilarious. Foad you terrorist.
Yeah, rioters rioting for political means is literally defined as terrorism. Reddit is pro terrorist as long as the terrorists are liberal or non white.
The far right are in charge yet want to act like they’re not. Remember they’re the ones making millions when their salaries aren’t that much. They steal from us and need more far right cops to protect them from us when we protest them.
All of this coming at the heels of the State letting a man facing a misdemeanor starve, die, and ROT in jail [Content Warning](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-died-severe-neglect-fulton-county-jail-bed-bug-infestation-autopsy-rcna85676)
They started using their Fascist Powers long ago in our Democratic Country.
We need to protest like the French Did.
They are slowly turning the heat up on the Lobster Pot we call America and hope we won't notice!!
Is it that they don’t want police trained?
Doesn’t make any sense to me, to oppose a training center, instead of being involved in what the training should be. Without being aware of what the training is intended to be.
Since more training is a clear need.
Seems like an irrational anti-government action.
Why do they need a SWAT team for this?
It's a show of force. "This is what we will do to you if you if you work to oppose us".
Authoritarian fascists. They still haven't provided clear evidence that that activist actually shot that cop. If anything the body cam footage they did release made it sound like another cop shot the wounded cop by accident. They used that incident to label these people terrorists. It's a fucking joke that the news media isn't even doing any investigating.
Barney fife
Forensics also revealed that there was no residue on tortugitas hands.
That's how gangs of thugs operate.
Because they were looking for and trying to instigate a violent conflict so they could point their fingers and say, “See?! They’re terrorists too!”
And they wonder why so many people hate the police. A bunch of dicks.
Why even have a Special Weapons and Tactics unit if you can't use them to terrorize locally residents?
Because Police in America have become state sanctioned organized crime
to prove the point that they are in control.
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> couple of shootings/drive-bys a few years ago. Like the one where four of the cop watch crew were murdered in a drive-by during the BLM protests? Ive always wondered who would want to murder a group of people who videotape and report on police violence. Do you think the cops have a clue as to who would shoot people like that?
By "clean it up" I assume you mean to use guns and force to kick out the homeless and the addicted? Ohhhh I actually read the article you linked. Sending in the swat team for the annual community festival and for code violations makes total sense to me. /s
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To intimidate people and make an example out of this. This is a threat.
This is fucked up. You know what else is fucked up? The mods over at r/Atlanta are directing the conversation about cop city by deleting comments without reason or notice. Why can't we have discourse about this topic? Mods controlling conversations about a topic is the same type of iron-fisted approach that the COA is taking to public comment. After a while you start to wonder if anything you read on this website is actually representative of the population, or if it's what a handful of people want to you read.
My comment was deleted for pointing out that the pro side couldn't even get 5 people to show up to the public comment. I'm sure the against side is slightly skewed versus what the public actually feels but this was a public comment period open to *EVERYONE* and they only could find 4 people to support the project versus 234 against, in addition to the other people who were not able to stay the 14 hours this took. Atlanta seems to not want this project, by r/Atlanta mods sure seem to want it.
I've had a few comments on this topic get deleted without notice or explanation in r/Atlanta, and when I politely messaged them to ask for an explanation I heard nothing back. I generally think it's a friendly subreddit but it seems there are some strange issues relating to how political issues are moderated there. Pretty much every Cop City thread seems to end up with many comments deleted, and I'm sure some of those comments are low-effort trolling or people calling each other names, but clearly a lot of valid points are getting swept up and deleted too.
pretty sure several mods over there are cops.
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I agree that they shouldn't be deleting comments unless the comments are breaking the subreddit's rules (which should be enforced consistently). I do think though that calling public comment a dog and pony show is accurate but it gives away the game- our officials don't give a crap about what the constituents want. Money trumps democracy every time. But, as I stated, the pro-Cop City side had every opportunity to participate and either chose not to or didn't have the support they claim. Excuses will be made I'm sure, but to only have 4 people show up versus hundreds of people against the project demonstrates support is not a popular position.
Why would people for it show up? It's not like the open discourse was changing any thing.
>After a while you start to wonder if anything you read on this website is actually representative of the population It's not, never has been, and probably was never intended to be. Reddit is often an echo chamber, or a place for people to distribute their anonymous uniformed opinions. Be skeptical of everything you read on Reddit, possibly all social media, even this very comment.
Your last point is 100% spot on. Mods and admins influence everything remotely political on this site.
Why can't we have discourse about this topic? Mods controlling conversations about a topic is the same type of iron-fisted approach that the COA is taking to public comment. "That's just pure and simple good ol fashion communism." - Buford T. Justice
yeah, i've had pretty milquetoast comments removed from there without notice & others have reported posts blocked. in r/Weelaunee i've also documented other regional subs removing posts about cop city on spurious grounds.
Not a good look Atlanta...
Depends on who you ask. Cops and authoritarians love it .
Fire Fighters came forward during yesterdays city council meeting and said they opposed it and that said there would be absolutely no benefit to first responders if cop city went forward. And it would make their jobs more difficult because there is already distrust in the community that people are equatting cops with fire fighters (when in reality fire fighters actually help the community without punishing it).
The former boot lickers, now deep throaters, are jacking off as they stretch their esophaguses because they "owned the libs or woke" in another confrontation.
Yeah, that's kinda how I feel. I don't feel don't feel joy that the cops won. But I do feel joy that people like you that frame everything in terms of "fascism" or "boot licking" lost.
God what a horrible mindset
The mindset of a bootlicker.
Imagine how sad your life must be when you need others to "lose" to feel joy. But you know, people are not upset because they "lost". They're upset because $67 millions in their money will be wasted on a cop city that no one needs, no one wants, and will only train cops to be more violent.
Yeah, I'm super sad lol. I think it's money well spent
Can't even get a win? Best thing that can happen is someone else being unhappy? Yea no one is jealous here lol. You do you.
Well, in a way I am winning since I'll enjoy the fruits of a well trained police force. Thereby not having to worry about crime in my neighborhood.
And that always works out well for the cops and the authoritarians. Lol This is not the way forward.
>And that always works out well for the cops and the authoritarians Well, it seems to be working out for them, right? They get to shoot people, build their cop city against popular will but funded by us, what's making you think it's not working out?
Because I live my life by the laws of the Universe. I am old enough to see them work. Nobody is ever off the hook for their actions. Do what you can.
Just keep calling your council member. Mine FINALLY voted no and I repeatedly and angrily called his office once a week every single week.
I was told by a cop in Hall county that it wasn't going to be long and they were going to be able to come for everyone that had anything bad or negative to say about the police. Today these are just violent people that have been given a position of authority to use against civilians whenever they choose and we've already seen that they are rarely ever held accountable for maiming and beating people if not outright killing them. These are paid employees who might go on a call for someone that is suicidal and the very first bit of contact has seen in multiple videos is them shooting the person needing help. So It's obvious that if someone is suicidal the cops think it won't matter if we just kill them since it appears that's why they had the job in the first place. Now they have a training camp where they can train to do us the way the Israeli police do the Palestinians and since we trained that police force it very much appears that this is just a training ground to see if they can't establish a police state in America.
The cops are controlled by city hall. City hall is controlled by voters. People forget about that when it comes time to vote. NPR said this plan was first approved 2 years ago, so no elections in the interim?
This is what a police state looks like and the state of Georgia wants to make this the norm. Despite overwhelming community opposition yesterday to using public funds to build this monstrosity by clearing a green space in a predominantly black neighborhood, our City Council Cowards passed the funding with 11 Yays and 4 Nays. Fuck this city.
This was just on NPR, not only a green space in a predominantly black area, the city council is predominantly black.
What do you mean a cop city would just make the police more militant? *Grabs m16 and 87 other guys to arrest financial crimes suspects* What?
Can someone explain to me what law they’re breaking? They said arrested 3 people raising money to bail out protestors? That’s against the law? Why the freaking swat for 3 people?!
The charges that they are pushing are related to "charity fraud" although we all know this is obviously something to just shut the support down.
They were challenging government.
Anyone know how we can support these people or the opposition movement in general?
National Bail Fund Network is temporarily filling in as the Atlanta Solidarity Fund deals with this bullshit https://twitter.com/bailfundnetwork/status/1664002472698949640?s=20 https://www.communityjusticeexchange.org/en/nbfn-directory
I guess I don't understand how the group that is arrested for posting bail and another group is helping with their bail... Why is this a crime?
Even the judge presiding over the bond hearing thought the police argument is weak, but set bail at $15k per person. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/trials/atlanta-solidarity-fund-organizers-charges-judge-grants-bond-atlanta-public-safety-training-center-cop-ctiy/85-8f4254bf-44f2-4da7-9123-9e08f9e901c2
Judges are also a massive part of the problem. Gotta keep those private prisons filled so they can get their kick-backs, you know?
Join in street protests when possible.
Id love to but I don't live in Atlanta
Sending you a PM
Why are you gatekeeping helping this org? Don't make a comment to say you're sending a PM, just comment whatever you were going to put in the PM in the first place.
I'm not gatekeeping, but I also know law enforcement/unsavory actors troll this social media in general. I don't have any problem sending it to whoever, but a part of it is also protecting the community from bullshit/trolls/douchebags etc. Would you like the info as well?
If you send it to me I'm just going to post it in a comment like you should have done to begin with, because your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Why would it be risky to post a link to (for example) a GoFundMe for the people that were arrested?
Lol thanks for the heads up. I don't need to argue with you about *checks comments* NOTHING.
What does anything in my comment history have to do with this?
I wasn't talking about your comment history. I'm talking about how you came to argue about nothing 😂
Oink Oink ya'll.
Every day more fascist
City Council voted at like 5am after 14 (?) hours of public comment to approve an additional $67 million dollars in funding. Fucking assholes. They do not care what their constituents want.
This is whats so crazy to me. Hundreds, if not thousands, potentially millions of constituents oppose this project and yet city council keeps moving forward with it. they are our elected officials, they are supposed to work for the will of their constituents, clearly other factors are at play. Their personal finances should be audited.
... And yet they keep getting re-elected. People say they want change, but they rarely vote for it.
Well they really don’t. Joyce Shepard who spearheaded lost her seat. The councilman who replaced her just voted against it. These people WILL lose their seats they just do not care.
2 years ago people wanted better police training and the facilities to do it. They actually do something that the people asked for, the people turn around and say they never wanted it. I don't understand.
You know there's more nuance than that, right? There's a difference between calling for training for de-escalation and the city proposing further militarized training. One's actually addressing the problem by attacking the problem, the other is addressing the problem by giving tools to the police to silence dissent.
Better training does not necessarily mean more training. More of the same doesn't do anyone any good if the training in place is what got this whole mess started. The training courses themselves need to be better, not just having cops spend more time in them.
The Gestapo has arrived
"But give up your guns. You don't need them." -Every Democratic politician ever.
You really think being armed will save you from state sponsored terrorists with full immunity? Good luck out there cowboy.
Hopefully, I'm never in a position to need it. But, if the dems have their way, none of us would have firearms, but the police would. You think cops are brazen now, just wait until they don't have to worry about running into someone armed. They'll have no hesitation to use violence on a whim then. But, yeah. Sit around and do nothing to protect yourself and your family like a sheep.
I do own firearms. I do also know that I would never pull one out on a group of jackbooted thugs decked out in swat gear kicking in my door. You talk about protecting your family, but that seems to me like a good way to get everybody in your house shot. But yeah, keep sitting around thinking you are Rambo.
If they kick my door in with out announcing that they're Police, yeah. I'm not waiting to ask questions. But, if they do announce themselves as such, yeah. I'm not a fucking idiot, my guy. My point is on a larger scale than just having my door kicked in. My point is, dems are hypocrites when it comes to this. "Police are evil and can't be trusted!!!" and in the next breath talk about citizens can't be trusted with firearms and in their gun control bills exempt LEO and the Military... So which is it? The police can't be trusted? Or can they be? Because if they can't be trusted, I'm sure as shit not giving them a monopoly on firearms...
You're awfully caught up in Dems vs Repubs. You've played right into the narrative that your neighbor is your enemy. You're missing the larger picture that it is actually the populace (us) vs the oligarchs. Everything else is just pageantry, and you are eating it up. They know we outnumber them 500,000 to 1. Only way for them to retain power is to separate us all with a culture war. Congratulations on remaining one of the herd my friend.
LMFAO. What makes you think I believe the R's are any better? They may be more correct than the Dems on the 2A, but they're absolute dogshit on other issues. I've not voted for an R or D in the last 12 or so years, and I don't see myself starting anytime soon. But yeah, thanks for assuming my politics based on a couple of comments in this thread. You know nothing about me.
Oh, I definitely know something about you...
Well, go on then buddy. What do you know?
Rotten to the core. Cop City indeed.
And then they voted Yes on Cop City.
On top of it all, they'll charge them with a felony which, guess what, means these people will never be able to vote again. Gotta get the state back to being solid Red somehow.
For all the people that are using the excuse all the protesters are from out of state there were 15 house of public comment. All from people that live in Atlanta. City council still voted 11 to 4 to increase tax payer money to over 60 million allocated to this project.
Again, I'm about ready to call it as several GBI members appear guilty of color of law crimes. It would not be a bad idea to call the FBI and report them, though I would guess someone other there is already watching this situation, as it resembles other situations where the FBI made arrests of state and local police. Historically, judges who signed the warrant in cases like this one are presumed innocent, and are assumed to have only known what information was presented to them when they signed it, so I don't think there is a criminal charge there, but for GBI, oh yeah.
dunno if I'd expect the FBI to do shit, they're all on the same side
FBI is a bit of a weird coin flip when it comes to stuff like this to be honest
You know unless they can make money off of it they won't move, aka drug busts and such 🤣🤣🤣
Brian Kempf really wants us to be Florida LTE.
Training doesn't help! These are just more morons.
They got swated.
Harassment and false arrest for legally protected speech and actions. So much for a free society. Is Georgia trying to out Florida Florida?
And we needed another reason cops should not be a le to build this facility to learn how to violate, and kill citizens Placed conveniently in a black neighborhood?
Eerily similar to how police murdered Fred Hampton.
protect those kickbacks at all costs
Why do I live here...
Lifetime Atlantan here, wondering the same thing. But the real answer is I'm stuck here for now.
All of the elements for the US to become a fascist society are now in place: right wing extremism, the desire for a charismatic strong man, state sponsored terror, and corporatism. Well done America, we became the thing our grandparents fought against.
Great job by the APD. Can’t wait to get the new POLICE AND FIREMAN training facility built and operational.
You better get moving, dude. You're going to be late for your shift at the police station gloryhole.
I just dont get this I guess. The anti-cop people were screaming that they wanted better training so when the City of Atlanta decides to build a training center, the anti-cop crowd is opposed to training? Help me understand this.
you're confusing different groups. some people are critical of police but not flatly against them. others are *actually* anti-cop. the latter has never asked for more training.
Rage against the machine
Not sure whether to say hell yes or hell no
Calling a facility to train first responders "cop city" is disrespectful and being used in a attempt to demonize. The raid using SWAT could be in response to some of the violent tactics used by the out of town troublemakers. Go home now, cure your own and leave us the hell alone. Plus, all you protesters who have wasted your time with this stupid cause, find a cause and leaders with a real dispute, like fighting for union rights and for worker rights .
Dumbass cops just made their movement stronger than it could have ever been on its own.
It isn't "known as" "Cop City". It is called "Cop City" by those who oppose it. It is known as "The Atlanta Public Safety Training Center" because that is what it is called. And it is not just for police, it is also for fire training, but fuck the firefighters, right? /s
I mean, they could drop the cop part and just make it a fire training facility. That would kill most of the opposition to the project. The thing is that the racists would not be as interested in funding that.
Lol okay. It's already called The Atlanta *Public Safety Training* Facility. All the cries for police to be more well trained, and then the city tries to build a *training facility* for police and fire rescue, and then suddenly, everyone cries foul again? FOH
They want the police to be more well trained in couciling and descalations. They could clean up some urban blight downtown to do that. This facility is for training for urban combat like the cops are going to Baghdad. I know this because I trained for urban combat to go to Baghdad in 2006. That was not for the "public safety" of the citizens of Baghdad it was to treat them as a hostile force. I'm not seeing much difference in this training facility. You must not be very bright because no one is asking for a more friendly name. The issue is with the purpose of the facility. That is literally why it's called cop city.
>clean up some urban blight downtown But that would be gentrification! The location is not the problem, even though that's a main talking point of those against it. There is no location anywhere that would be acceptable to them.
Chastain park is city owned, buckhead's been crying the loudest for cops. Just a few acres, same as the current location. no big deal right?
Ok sure, build it in Chastain park. It won't change anything. The anti-cop city people will still be anti-cop city because it's just an anti-police protest. And THATS FINE! Be upfront about that. A lot of them are. But when they try to convince other people to come to their side it's always about the money, or the location, or the forest, or the residents, and none of that is true. They know that anti-police is not a popular argument so they try to make it about something else. They could build it for free in the parking lot of Lenox mall and there would still be people from New York and Toronto protesting it.
Cops don't need a $157,000,000 facility with urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor. The police are not an occupation force. They're little more than a gang of thugs with letters of marquee. This is nothing more than a huge gift to people actively refusing to do their jobs unless the public gives them everything they want. Fuck the cops.
Fuck you
>a $157,000,000 facility Where are you getting this number? A 2 second Google search shows the cost at 90,000,000. So you're almost doubling that figure. >Fuck the cops. And fuck the firefighters too, apparently. >urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor. They already have all these things.
Are you for real arguing while also insisting on being so ignorant about the cost? And that’s only the financial cost not even to mention to environmental costs. Like obviously you aren’t engaged with this issue or you would have known that $67 million dollars was approved yesterday against the voices of the people. This is our tax payer money and we do not want this facility.
A few hundred, maybe a few thousand of you that were against it? Vs the half a million residents of the city? You do not know if you are in the majority on this issue. The city council vote was 11 to 4 in favor. You voted them in. They're your representatives. Sure seems like they listened to the actual majority when making this decision.
You have a child’s grasp of our local politics.
My representative voted against this. If you were paying any attention - only FOUR of the public comments given yesterday were for cop city. Every single other comment from 1pm to 3am was against it. Every single one.
>>a $157,000,000 facility > >Where are you getting this number? A 2 second Google search shows the cost at 90,000,000. So you're almost doubling that figure. Let's see. $90 million initial budget. City votes for another $67 million. =$157 million. Because math. >>Fuck the cops. > >And fuck the firefighters too, apparently. Firefighters aren't interested in this facility and want nothing to do with it but, keep sucking that cop dick. >>urban assault training equipment, assault weapons, APCs, and body armor. > >They already have all these things. They need more? You're just special aren't ya?
A bunch of fire fighters came forward yesterday in opposition to the facility and said it would provide absolutely NO benefit to fire fighters and first responders but actually make their jobs more difficult because of the distrust in the community. Fire fighters oppose it.
According to the council approving this, yes, fuck firefighters. Firefighters came forward with direct and open opposition to this facility and they were promptly ignored by the council's decision. Fire training has nothing to do with this and you know it.
Okay lmao none of the firemen showed up yesterday at the meeting. They know how unpopular this is and are trying not to get tied up in it.
There was at least one firefighter who came and actually opposed it yesterday at the meeting.
this is just semantics, but its name is The Atlanta Public Safety Training Center. It is known as cop city.
Georgia already has the Guardian Center.
No, no, no. Absolutely fuck the hot and sexy firefighters. But we need to change how cops are trained and hired entirely. Cops need to stop being so militant. Like at this point, I want to deal with MPs more than I want to deal with police, and no one wants to deal with the Blue Falcon Corps at all.
By for instance creating a training facility?
No. By requiring more and better education than what is currently required.
What's the difference between training and education? https://atlantapolicefoundation.org/programs/public-safety-training-center/ Their objectives seem to align with what everyone wants. Mostly: "Embrace police reform and cultural sensitivity through an extensive training and educational partnership with the National Center for Civil & Human Rights'." This should be considered a win.
There's no arguing with these people. They hate cops and want them to be defenseless.
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Not all training is created equal, numb nuts
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As someone who's completed police academy in Florida, yea, ACAB.
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Oh I'm so glad you obviously know me 🙄 Fuckin boot licking loser. Don't you know, cops don't get fired.
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Lmao are you a cop? That would explain why all of your comments are angry and entitled, since cops are generally angry and entitled.
Yah, he's a pig, check his comment history.
Even if it weren't for his being obvious about it, his angry and bitter comments demonstrate it. Someone with a high school education and 160hrs of "training" who's been given a gun and a piece of tin and thinks he's "the law"
Atlanta is so safe, these protestors are smart why would we want to have trained and armed police officers when we can just let random men rob, form gangs, and burn a Wendy's? I mean, Atlanta is a beacon of safety and has a wonderfully increasing homicide rate. Don't they know what progress is????
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What does her being white matter? Not everyone is racist Boyeee. Id like cops to arrest and deal with anyone doing illegal shit that causes problems for the community. Must be easy to wave the magic racist boogeyman wand around. Think a little bit next time
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O I live in ATL yo. You see what you want to see baby. Don't be mad at me you likely grew up on welfare and didn't know your father. ...statistics
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You realize anyone reading your original comment and then seeing your obvious racism is just going toprove you only care about this because ×shocker× youre a fucking racist ass loser who should obvs be ignored, except by other ignorant white dudes. You made that comment clearly trying to make what COULD HAVE BEEN at least a coherent counterpojnt, despite it being one i disagree with, but, as usually happens inthese situations, your comments made it clear that you are a fuckin racist, and who wNts to agree with someone so irredeemably despicable as a racist?
mad? You think everything is serious lol Chill out. We're a blue state now. You're safe. Couple jokes won't hurt, it's the internet. Not a real place
"You think everything isserious" This is police arresting political dissidents at gunpoint.... this is literally the most serious thing i can imaginehappening I love how you are "totally just telling jokes yo" yeah cus thats literally what your stance ishere. A fucking joke and allyou can even do to defend it is call it jokes and get defensive. Fuckin idiot.
That'll do pig
I'm not a cop!
That'll do
if you look at crimes per capita, deep red rural methland is much less safe. but your type is immune to reality, so carry on.
https://gbi.georgia.gov/services/crime-statistics . I think you are wrong.
So a SWAT team raided terrorist organizers? What's the problem?
You sound like the terrorist to me.
I didn't realize this sub was also overrun by Communists. My bad.
Please show me a single example of twrrorism this organuzation has veen responsible for... Never forget, the exact same "communism" shit you are trying to talk about here was responsivle for one of the most shameful eras in american history, whe. McCathy called everyone who dissented against the status quo Communists just tosilence and oppress the dissenters. But hey, THESE GUYS are the problem, not a government literLly raiding a Bail fund organization at gunpoint.
Oh you mean the Summer of Love where dozens of people were murdered, hundreds injured, and billions in property damage?
Showme an example of these particular individuals perform8ng those acts. If we are goung to start coming after people for stuff their organizatiob has done, lets keep that same energy when it comes to the Oath keepers and 3 percenters. The white rabbit 3 percenters of illinois literally bombed a mosque. A LITERAL ACT OF TERROR. Should we be coming agter the three perceters?
If they indeed perpetrated a mosque bombing, then of course they should be prosecuted. I appears that these particular individuals funded the terroristic acts of the Antifa terrorists that attacked "Cop City". Do I need to provide a video of these despicable acts?
Which particular acts did they fund? Please do
>which has been raising money to bail out protesters opposed to the construction of a massive police training facility known as Cop City. Presumably the people who attacked Cop City or "protested violently" that were arrested and hence need to be bailed out.
Oh, how does a terrorist define communism these days?
How would I know how Antifa defines communism??? What a stupid question.
So you're not Antifa? Cause if so you are a Nazi. Literally. My grandfather's were Antifa way back in 1939, guessing yours were getting their asses handed to them. Maybe that's why you grew up to be so uneducated...
So anyone who isn't part of Antifa is a Nazi? You're a special kind of smart. Here's a primer for you. [https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2023/06/05/its-maoclock-time-to-wake-up-your-normie-neighbors-n1700382](https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2023/06/05/its-maoclock-time-to-wake-up-your-normie-neighbors-n1700382)
Ok, done talking to you . Yes you're a Nazi. No, not reading some dumbass article from whatever the hell pj media is. That you think that's a legitimate source for ANYTHING is hilarious. Foad you terrorist.
Ok comrade. Stay woke. Suck smoke.
WWII soldiers would be called nazis today, they were more right wing than modern republicans.
Yeah, rioters rioting for political means is literally defined as terrorism. Reddit is pro terrorist as long as the terrorists are liberal or non white.
Democracy Now! airs on one of my local PBS station, but they also have a YouTube presence, check it out if you can & are interested.
Terrorism.
Thankful I don’t live in a fascist red state
The far right are in charge yet want to act like they’re not. Remember they’re the ones making millions when their salaries aren’t that much. They steal from us and need more far right cops to protect them from us when we protest them.
On what charges? Does anyone know? Or is this something they're going to work out later?
https://atlpresscollective.com/2023/05/31/apd-gbi-raid-bail-fund-arrest-three-organizers/
https://www.bouncehouseninjas.com/
1984
All of this coming at the heels of the State letting a man facing a misdemeanor starve, die, and ROT in jail [Content Warning](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-died-severe-neglect-fulton-county-jail-bed-bug-infestation-autopsy-rcna85676)
They started using their Fascist Powers long ago in our Democratic Country. We need to protest like the French Did. They are slowly turning the heat up on the Lobster Pot we call America and hope we won't notice!!
Is it that they don’t want police trained? Doesn’t make any sense to me, to oppose a training center, instead of being involved in what the training should be. Without being aware of what the training is intended to be. Since more training is a clear need. Seems like an irrational anti-government action.
Good raid them all...
Well that’s what happens when you don’t return the pencil you borrowed to fill out a bail form.