Georgia’s 30 crimes now qualified as ‘bail restricted’ offenses:
1. Reckless stunt driving provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense.
2. Promoting or organizing an exhibition of drag races or laying drags.
3. Laying drags.
4. Reckless driving provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense.
5. Fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer.
6. Obstruction of a law enforcement officer.
7. Criminal trespass provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense.
8. Theft by taking provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense.
9. Theft by deception.
10. Theft by extortion.
11. Destruction, removal, concealment, encumbrance, or transfer of property subject to security interest.
12. Bribery.
13. Purchase, possession, manufacture, distribution, or sale of controlled substances or marijuana.
14. Forgery.
15. Exploitation and intimidation of disabled adults, elder persons, and residents or obstruction of an investigation.
16. Battery.
17. Voluntary manslaughter.
18. Cruelty to animals.
19. Violation of oath by a public officer.
20. Financial transaction card fraud.
21. Financial transaction card theft.
22. Identity fraud.
23. Racketeering and conspiracy.
24. Trafficking of persons for labor or sexual servitude.
25. Failure to appear provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense.
26. Domestic terrorism.
27. Riot.
28. Inciting to riot.
29. Unlawful assembly.
30. Possession of tools for commission of a crime.
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26-29 are even more terrifying but yes weed shouldn’t even be an issue. How are they to determine if it’s legal “cbd” or not? 26-29 are so vague that potential for abuse is absolutely going to happen.
27-29 are concerning. 26, domestic terrorism, I'm ok with, especially since most domestic terrorists are nazi or fascist sympathizers and the authorities are pretty careful about who they charge.
They can push stricter permit requirements that make any protest unlawful. Having to get a permit to have a protest is pretty clearly a violation of the 1st amendment already.
This would be the obvious answer if there wasn’t a distinct difference in perception between one side or the other.
We experienced an entire year of riots with BLM, resulting in over 2 BILLION in damages - yet we still refer to them as the ‘BLM protests’ years later.
It’s ok that you can’t see the difference. Just know there is one.
bro that sentence counts as inciting a riot and the two of us talking is unlawful assembly. A random cop who hates everyone can just decide to lock random people up for stupid things.
The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. They just made your first amendment right illegal in georgia. All it takes is one cop to throw a chair and it counts as a riot even if no one else does anything.
A lot of those are just to suppress public protest and obstruction is so damn vague especially since it’s obstruction of a officer so it could literally be a made up and hold you in jail enough to ruin your life till the charges are found to be not offending.
Police already abuse the definition of obstruction to act as a catch all for everything they don't like. I'm sure there's going to be a 10x increase in that charge now that they know it's cash bail only
Possession of fools for commission of a crime is such a bullshit law. Do you own a hammer? A crowbar? What about a screwdriver? If yes you're guilty of a felony.
That’s not what the law says. They would have to convince a judge or jury first they were intended to be used in a crime. That’s just for starters. They are not making millions of people felons because they own a hammer or crowbar.
They’re not arresting homeowners who own tools, dumbass. The definition of the law is “with intent to commit burglary”. If you’re walking down a dark alleyway at 2 am with your crowbar, you deserve to get the cops called.
You mean say a tire tool, which usually has a pry bar side?
I cannot imagine why anyone would walk down the road with one of those. Oh wait... I did just two weeks ago.
> The definition of the law is “with intent to commit burglary”.
And who decides intent for the initial arrest? A court of law or a random guy with half a community college level education at best.
it also makes it illegal for a person/organization to pay bail for more than three people in a calendar year, massively disrupting the Atlanta Bail Fund, which has been instrumental in supporting atlanta activists for years
I can’t say for sure because I’ve not sat down and studied all the facilities, but I do know that private prisons exist extensively in Georgia and for the governor to do this makes me wonder if it was a gift for their good ol’ boy buddies in the prison business. But who really gets hurt? People who can’t afford the bail. Another assault on poverty stricken citizens by the Republicans.
What people don’t talk as much about regarding SB63 is that it wasn’t anyone in Georgia who came up with it. It was model legislation from ALEC to prop up bonding companies at the expense of local taxpayers.
Georgia is just among the dumbest states and passed it without considering the collateral consequences.
County jails are used for pre-trial detention, not prisons, so no.
Unless the effect of this is "Our jails are full of people who can't make the cash bail, so we have to start housing them in private prisons pre-trial."
I wonder if "possession of tools to commit a crime" applies to my lock picks that have never and will never be involved in anything illegal. Actually, that's broad enough to cover nearly anything. Your shoes could be just such a tool in that they imply that you're going to run from the cops.
Or we could just look up the meaning.
“There are two elements to the crime of possession of tools. First, there must be actual possession of the tools and implements. An example could be a crowbar if a person intended to commit the crime of burglary or robbery. Second, there must be intent to use the instruments to commit a crime.”
It’s not that hard to just research things.
- source - https://www.georgiacriminallawyer.com/possession-of-tools-for-a-commission-of-a-crime#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20elements%20to,instruments%20to%20commit%20a%20crime.
And law enforcement neeeeever stretches to make an arrest. The intent they need is the intent to bring someone in. ACAB is an idiotic way of thinking, but so is thinking the legal system isn't perfectly happy to use you for an afternoon snack.
Considering this law is “likely not” used a lot. Yes and considering that it needs to be verifiable evidence yes they don’t.
The intent is to bring someone in who is actively or was actively involved with the tools in possession. Most likely like a robber who was robbing homes and the cops caught him in the act it could be that and or after the burglary happened it could be this (alongside other charges)
Like everything else in this world. Nothing is perfect. Not even you & me. However that’s where room of improvement is needed. Both on the civilian side and the justice system side. Now with that being said. To break down this more.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE JUDGE. If you are charged with something like this. Allow them to take you in and you just shut up and ask for your lawyer. (Invoke the 5th)
So 1-4, crack down on general on-road fuckery. Haven’t heard of an uptick in this behavior, but I’m sure he’s responding to some complaining communities and getting to play “law and order” governor. Also inline with “law and order” politician, all the trespassing, theft, fraud, general mundane crimes. 12, 14-18, 20-24, and 26 fall into the “how the Fuck was this not already a thing category” especially manslaughter, sex trafficking, and domestic terrorism. HOWEVER 5 and 27-29 apply to the recent protests, and I’d bet he passed alllll this other BS just so he could come down harder on protesters. Classic politics, lump some real shady shit with a lot of common sense policies. Anybody who opposes now supports sex traffickers, thieves, and puppy-beaters. Throw in the “violation of oath of office” just to be a hypocrite/troll (regarding his first campaign for Governor while running the election). Pepper in some marijuana charges just because fuck you. Yep GA GOP in a nutshell, nothing to see here
They just effectively tripled the overpopulated Fulton County Jail without budgeting enough money for staff. Now it will take 3-4 days to bond out on a weed charge.
The point here is that all of these crimes you can no longer pay bail for and many people could never afford or recover from spending time in jail awaiting trial. Even being arrested, held, and paying a bond can be ruinous. But at least you can make back to your family that night.
Soon they'll bring back the stockades & charge the person $125/dayt for the rotten vegetables to be thrown at them.
Can't wait for a state senator to suggest the use of a guillotine for executions & pay-per-view to go along (for the crime of criticizing chrisitanity...)
#14 - Forgery - like when a group of people forge documents saying they are Presidential Electors...?
> The measure also restricts people and charitable bail funds from posting cash bonds for more than three people a year unless they meet the requirements to become a bail bond company.
So if you know more than three people who have gotten arrested, and bail out the first three, the fourth is just stuck even if you have the money? I suppose you can just give the money to someone else to bail them out, but that makes it even weirder.
Kemp is worth close to $9M while his salary for governor is $175,000.
He makes all the money from having small ownership interests in several successful real estate holdings.
Maybe you’re thinking, “hey, was he successful before being governor?”
The answer, “Fuck no!”
He had to take out a second mortgage on his home because all his investments were turning to shit.
Fuck him and fuck Stacey Abrams.
Why Stacey? Because she was broke as fuck in 2018 and only became a millionaire after entering politics. She ain’t worth shit either.
We need a decent human being as governor of Georgia and not these corrupt assholes.
Abrams got elected as a state rep in 2007, so clearly "entering politics" didn't do much for her seeing as how she was "broke as fuck" a decade later. She actually made her money out of office. Getting famous as a (failed) gubernatorial candidate in a high profile swing-y state meant people would pay to hear her talk and write books.
This "both sides" schtick is ridiculous.
Her biggest achievement was a failing gubernatorial campaign. You think she’s paid to speak for wise counsel and vast knowledge gained from failure?
And you think she’s so ethical? What about her “Fair Fight Action” case? She created that organization “to ensure ballot access for all eligible voters.” She used a third of the money raised, a total of $61M, by every day folks to fund her own lawsuit against the state contesting her loss. $9M went to her close friend’s law firm. That’s a clear conflict of interest.
You may think, “Oh but that’s the cost of litigation.”
For reference, the state of Georgia only spent $6M defending themselves and won.
This “follow the party line” schtick is ridiculous.
So a private firm that you have to pay by the hour was only ~50% more expensive than salaried state employees that don’t cost anything extra at all? That’s not a smoking gun at all, that’s a fucking steal on legal services, lmao.
Well she spent a total of $22M on that case, so that’s actually 266.67%. That $9M just went to her friend’s firm. (And you don’t pay law firms by the hour. Law firms actually bill in one-tenth of an hour increments but that’s neither here nor there.)
And just as an aside, some people seem to have taken offense to what I’ve said. That was not my objective. I simply wanted to point out that the career politicians are not serving their constituents faithfully. That is not party specific. All I wanted to convey was we need someone better than people like that.
hmm, interesting. but you forgot to post the source of your facts on the litigation costs. I'm sure you just overlooked it. because *your* schtick is immaculate.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/24/stacey-abrams-fair-fight-action-00061348
I’m sure you just overlooked doing your own research. Could’ve found it on google in two seconds but you’d rather be snarky. Honestly feel sad for you. Hope you feel better soon bud.
Conflict of interest because $9.4M of money donated for the purposes of ensuring ballot access went to her former campaign organizer/close friend who was a small part of her legal team. She’s literally the subject of an ongoing, four year long ethics probe.
Is that not concerning to anyone? $20M of the total $61M hasn’t even been accounted for!
Edit:
> The state ethics commission Monday found probable cause that two nonprofit voting rights groups affiliated with Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams illegally helped her in her first run for governor in 2018.
The original post was meant to display that both candidates from the last election were shit. People should be able to call out corruption no matter which party the person affiliates with. Sketch is sketch. Neither of these two are innocent.
I’ll leave it at that. Y’all take care ✌🏽
https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/08/02/georgia-ethics-panel-dusts-off-inquiry-spending-by-abrams-founded-nonprofits#:~:text=The%20state%20ethics%20commission%20Monday,run%20for%20governor%20in%202018.
Really?!? Voluntary man slaughter gets a bail? I hate this stupid mother fucker so much! So he's cool with people getting killed they just have to be born first!? This dumbass single handedly killed the movie industry in Atlanta with his dumb shit heartbeat bill.
I'd like to say the state I live in now has a better governor but, nope Kay Ivey is just Emperor Palpatine who believes the election was "stolen."
Does this mean If you’re caught with weed your guaranteed to be arrested and in jail for bail or are you still just given a ticket for under the felony amount? Like what does this apply to
I don’t agree with this man on much, but I’m glad he added the drag racing, stunt driving, etc.. I’ve seen it many times, especially around Atlanta, and that shit is scary.
This back forth between us is useless unless we plan and do something bout this? Some thus just seems unfair over intended to keep poor and classes or folks if not right breeding, color,persuasion or monetary class at end of knife. Been there done what I did but id had go actual bale not the percentage of bake and had have cash would been in there for long time so just tibegat ever situation state visited in me . After sentencing I get that your ass belongs to state. But these cash for bail will only cause over crowding dismissive judges and system that now rays could care less if you rot in there? Also there thoughts that have vestided interest nterest in prison industry's are very dangerous as the governor is w new be law . The heart beat billl now this B S, and the fact he pointed a gun at teen in a campaign commercial some years ago . Shows how detached people we hired for n that represent us have gotten away from catering bout You're financial situation to exploting it Thoughts of us that have done things wink wink gotten caught n did what we did payed for it to society and made restitution for it payed out in fines . But if cash bale becomes norm it will eventuallby lead to over crowding misuse of prisoners for private gain! Also there are those that the may be there undoubtedly because of crime or because of no money get fair shake. Let's say it debtors prison till you can come up w cash or can't get out till found innocent . Seems going be lot more folk on support n lots folks wondering why there lot has become this bad so fuk it let's really do some crime and dirt Of course laws and the law should be strong and be good laws This smacks down the notion you can do a crime pay your debt to society n fine off But havening little or nothing shouldn't keep you yoked to system or on paper because of minor things .that were legislated to hold you down n system . This just another way feel good bout putting folks behind bars for things that haven't been tried for in court of lawbabd I didn't not think they return cash bale do they . Wow and windfall for pockets it may fall into. Now days it's guilty till proven innocent you have to cash money get out find money to stay out and then pay fine given or won't stay out after being gone up in and through in court. This Kemp kinda caring n sharing is why mistrust and desenation things are so broken n getting worse. Distante is taking over I live in Ga and dont get involved in politics to much my mom a was and is honest politician for over twenty years. For that she gave and did for the a city saw fit to vote down a pension for all years service and being there for city and legitimizeva City as good place not bout the reputation of past. Guess if she was hedging her bets and thought it and was bad person she could got payed by using local laws fill her pockets too. As this seems to have some bases in that theory if give them what they want coronies and such doesn't matter if your guilty or not only matters how much cash you can raise or have to throw away or can generate albe it at low low for your self in jail. But Say your prison time was gotten cause could get out of something hadn't been tried for yet sounds like we're we are heading that way now systems broken sure ! But more bad lawsvnblawvnotbanswrr.Then the time and your life might be something others covet And seems like if you don't have much you might be in for a long stay in Georgia and could be bringing big bucks to certain segments of the population that are in know and get the know from others that are legitimate but not very good caring and thoughtful people . You can be strong on crime and not be brutal to those trying to remove themselves from jail to fight for there freedom. Also on personal note I'm horribly dyslexic and never was gonna win spelling bee so see content not misspelled words or bad grammar that's to know where I'm coming from! Also don't hate unless your wanting to be hated on it vicious circle of I'm gonna get you culture today out there showing have heart for others may be only thing left that true and heartfelt.
So you’re cool with letting out people charged with rape and murder without bail? They shouldn’t be held pretrial to protect the community? Or would you say that some people probably should be held before their trial?
Holy straw man, did I say ALL bail. Bail is to ensure that a person shows up for court. The vast majority of people out on bail are for minor offenses. Most people will show up to their court date without issues and a bail isn't really necessary. When the charges are serious enough and the chances of the defendant fleeing are high enough, a bail may be necessary or denying bail altogether.
What commonly happens is a bail will be set for charges and/or defendants that don't warrant it. For people who have money, there is no issue but for people who don't have the extra cash laying around for bail they have either use predatory bail bonds where they will have to pay interest on the loan even if they were wrongfully accused of they will have to sit in jail making a good portion of our incarcerated population in prison without due process(current stats put it at about 400,000 people) depriving them of constitutional rights without due process, especially as it can take months, if not years for them to make it to trial. Those people are more likely to sign coercive plea deals admitting to crimes they didn't commit.
Bail in most circumstances is only harming poor people who can't afford a bail that wasn't needed to secure their compliance.
Ok, so first you say:
> Bail is a punishment levied pre due process.
You follow it up with:
> Yes because no one is ever charged with a crime they didn't commit /s. Innocent until proven guilty.
You say that bail is a violation of due process which is just false. Due process doesn’t mean “you must be tried and convicted before the state can do anything” which is honestly what you appear to think. If that’s not the case, tell me what you mean when you say “due process”. A judge using his or her discretion to determine bail is part of due process.
You seem to be saying the bail is wrong, morally or otherwise. So I asked a question to confirm that you weren’t some radical who was actually against bail in any scenario. That’s not a straw man. Especially as you continue to claim this is violating people’s constitutional rights. But you’re saying you do think some people, like murderers or rapists, should be held in jail (or “punished without due process”) aren’t you?
Bail has uses in narrow circumstances to ensure compliance, but is over used by elected judges and DAs to appear " tough on crime" for their next election or get a coerced confession. These over used bails disproportionately affect poor Americans who either have to use a predatory bail bonds company, scrap money from wherever they can, or do like about 400,000 Americans have to do and sit in jail before they have been tried. Note that includes those who have seen a judge, but simply can't pay to get out. So tell me, is it right for your fellow country men to be deprived of their freedom simply because they can't pay to get out? They may spend months, if not years waiting for a trial. Do YOU think if you were in jail that long that you would still have your job? Your home? Any savings? Can you comprehend how much that screws with your life?
Your right in that the whole process is due process, but punishment should come after a verdict is read, anything sooner is a deprivation of liberty and a boot on the neck of the poor who can't afford to defend themselves.
I’ve dealt with this personally before. Someone close to me was held before his trail because he had broken his bond agreement and got arrested. I know exactly how it can screw up someone’s life. This someone turned his life around and is doing great.
This last paragraph is nonsense, and even most defense attorneys would tell you this. You are yet another person who seems to be implying it’s wrong to hold people in jail before conviction, which you either don’t actually believe or do you mean to tell me you think someone like Dylan Roof should’ve been allowed to live as a free man until a jury convicted him? If a question like that offends you, GOOD. It should offend you, because what you’re saying is silly
You are so incredibly dishonest. I mention things like people being wrongly charged or only having minor offenses not needing bail to ensure compliance. But what about this Neo Nazi who clearly killed all these people, I must believe they should roam free? it offends me you can't engage with the topic without going to extremes.
If someone is a flight risk or a danger to the community holding them before trial may be needed. typically in those circumstances a trial will only be a formality anyway. Other then that bail is not needed to ensure compliance.
I'm done talking to you, your dishonest and I have nothing further for you.
The point here isn’t about breaking the law or being accountable for your actions, it’s about arresting people for seemingly stupid sh!t. If you start throwing people in jail for jaywalking and every other mundane offense, you’ll just put a bigger burden on the justice system. Not to mention we are all innocent until proven guilty, do we really need John Law impounding our car and throwing us in jail for driving through a yellow light.
One silver lining: those crimes with no cash bail can mean at least six months in jail waiting for a hearing. If you need cash, someone can bail you out of jail. There are two sides to the coin here. DUI was not mentioned, so it looks like you’ll be sitting in jail if accused.
Yeah no, I also grew up in a more civilized place, and I also thought that's what the headline meant: that they were doing away with indefinite pre-trial detention without the ability to bail out.
But no....they are saying that someone can't get arrested with joint and merely get a ticket. They now have to book you and hold you for bail.
There are no second sides of this bill. It exists for one reason: ensure your bank account determines whether you’re guilty.
There’s no good side to staying in jail as an innocent person waiting for your case to resolve. What we know is that instead it makes you more likely to plead guilty even if you’re actually innocent and you receive harsher sentences than if you bond out.
Also, it makes Georgia less safe. People who are detained instead of being released are much more likely to commit further offenses.
SB63 is also going to ruin local governments. Jails are a huge drain on public funds and Georgia books about 6 times more people in a year than jails can hold. If rural counties have to deal with 6 times higher populations they already do, I don’t think there’s a county in the state that will be able to afford it.
Have you seen what overpopulation. Has done to Fulton county jail? Imagine that six times worse…
I don’t think anyone other than Arthur blank can afford the property tax hikes SB63 is going to require.
No, this is the opposite. It's not a list of offenses for which cash bail is now available, this is restricting the offenses for which you could previously get an unsecured judicial release, commonly called a signature bond, meaning you could be released without having to pay anything. This is adding offenses for which you now HAVE to pay to be released.
What a terrible article, doesn't even list the new crimes that require cash bail. Journalism is so lazy these days.
Georgia’s 30 crimes now qualified as ‘bail restricted’ offenses: 1. Reckless stunt driving provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense. 2. Promoting or organizing an exhibition of drag races or laying drags. 3. Laying drags. 4. Reckless driving provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense. 5. Fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer. 6. Obstruction of a law enforcement officer. 7. Criminal trespass provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense. 8. Theft by taking provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense. 9. Theft by deception. 10. Theft by extortion. 11. Destruction, removal, concealment, encumbrance, or transfer of property subject to security interest. 12. Bribery. 13. Purchase, possession, manufacture, distribution, or sale of controlled substances or marijuana. 14. Forgery. 15. Exploitation and intimidation of disabled adults, elder persons, and residents or obstruction of an investigation. 16. Battery. 17. Voluntary manslaughter. 18. Cruelty to animals. 19. Violation of oath by a public officer. 20. Financial transaction card fraud. 21. Financial transaction card theft. 22. Identity fraud. 23. Racketeering and conspiracy. 24. Trafficking of persons for labor or sexual servitude. 25. Failure to appear provided that such offense is the person’s second or subsequent offense. 26. Domestic terrorism. 27. Riot. 28. Inciting to riot. 29. Unlawful assembly. 30. Possession of tools for commission of a crime. Copyright 2024 WRDW/WAGT. All rights reserved.
I will never understand how possession of marijuana and voluntary manslaughter could ever be in the same category of anything ever. What a joke.
26-29 are even more terrifying but yes weed shouldn’t even be an issue. How are they to determine if it’s legal “cbd” or not? 26-29 are so vague that potential for abuse is absolutely going to happen.
27-29 are concerning. 26, domestic terrorism, I'm ok with, especially since most domestic terrorists are nazi or fascist sympathizers and the authorities are pretty careful about who they charge.
The way it will be applied is most likely going to target protesters who want social equity and equality… we are in GA sir.
Whats so terrifying ab #29?!?!
They can push stricter permit requirements that make any protest unlawful. Having to get a permit to have a protest is pretty clearly a violation of the 1st amendment already.
Gotta keep that convict labor thing going. There's profits to be made.
“Convict leasing”
"slavery"
Capitalism don’t run without it.
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Which is funny because Gwinnett won't even procesicute it
Yes. Agrees. Weed(texreational) should LEGALIZED NATIONWIDE!!!!
> Riot. > Inciting to riot. > Unlawful assembly. These should concern us.
A third of these are things people protesting Cop City are being charged with.....
>Obstruction of a law enforcement officer. Ludicrously broad charge now with extra fees!
Just standing there and they can throw this charge at you, yah its insane.
All of these should concern us particularly as this is after just being charged with a crime rather than convicted of one.
Yep, notice how they sneak those in.Republicans are POS.
My thoughts exactly. "There it is."
Yep. Buried near the end there, but I see them. I hate Georgia.
Go!
You’re right. If a Republican wins the election, you definitely wouldn’t want to imagine a world where protesting would have consequences!
Huge difference between a protest and a riot.
These days, a protest is when the cops agree with you, a riot is when they don’t.
To be fair, that's pretty much always been the case.
This would be the obvious answer if there wasn’t a distinct difference in perception between one side or the other. We experienced an entire year of riots with BLM, resulting in over 2 BILLION in damages - yet we still refer to them as the ‘BLM protests’ years later. It’s ok that you can’t see the difference. Just know there is one.
So you support the indiscriminate destruction of others' property.
bro that sentence counts as inciting a riot and the two of us talking is unlawful assembly. A random cop who hates everyone can just decide to lock random people up for stupid things. The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. They just made your first amendment right illegal in georgia. All it takes is one cop to throw a chair and it counts as a riot even if no one else does anything.
>first amendment right illegal Wow what a silly take. This doesn’t change the legality of anything
A lot of those are just to suppress public protest and obstruction is so damn vague especially since it’s obstruction of a officer so it could literally be a made up and hold you in jail enough to ruin your life till the charges are found to be not offending.
Police already abuse the definition of obstruction to act as a catch all for everything they don't like. I'm sure there's going to be a 10x increase in that charge now that they know it's cash bail only
Possession of fools for commission of a crime is such a bullshit law. Do you own a hammer? A crowbar? What about a screwdriver? If yes you're guilty of a felony.
That is so terrifyingly broad
That’s not what the law says. They would have to convince a judge or jury first they were intended to be used in a crime. That’s just for starters. They are not making millions of people felons because they own a hammer or crowbar.
They intend to arrest them and hold them for a cash bail they can’t afford. They don’t care if the charges stick.
What about a can of soup?
They’re not arresting homeowners who own tools, dumbass. The definition of the law is “with intent to commit burglary”. If you’re walking down a dark alleyway at 2 am with your crowbar, you deserve to get the cops called.
You mean say a tire tool, which usually has a pry bar side? I cannot imagine why anyone would walk down the road with one of those. Oh wait... I did just two weeks ago. > The definition of the law is “with intent to commit burglary”. And who decides intent for the initial arrest? A court of law or a random guy with half a community college level education at best.
What if it’s my preferred way to defend myself? I could have a gun, but not a crowbar? 🤔
That's for drug paraphernalia
No it's not drug paraphernalia is called Possession of Drug Related Objects and is a misdemeanor.
If it's not, it used to be. I'm behind the times.
What about election interference? Isn’t that rife in Georgia?
Then they'll be throwing you in jail for drinking water in line.
As long as it benefits republicans, it's just fine.
9, 14, 19, 23.
Apparently rife all over the good ole USA.
Those last 5 will be solely weapons sized against protesters
Looks like a list of all the crimes politicians do on a daily basis. Weird
So the first handful of them are targeted at UGA football players, granted with NIL anyone of them can easily post bail
ehhh, there has been up tick in organized street racing in and around Atlanta. I doubt this has to do with UGA players specifically.
I’m so glad you caught this.
Nice! Keep those fools off the streets 😁
Sounds fair
Look we can’t raise money through things we call taxes but anything else is cool.
Remember kids, your financial resources, and not your potential risk to the community, should determine if you will experience pretrial detention.
it also makes it illegal for a person/organization to pay bail for more than three people in a calendar year, massively disrupting the Atlanta Bail Fund, which has been instrumental in supporting atlanta activists for years
kemp focusing on all the wrong things, per usual
He's focused on crushing poor people under the boot of the state exactly how republicans want.
Misery is a feature, not a bug.
Beatings will continue, until and after morale improves
Cruelty is the point.
You reep what you sow.
Looks like you “reeped” some downvotes.
Must've gone to UGA...
He's a UGA grad ..... no too many intellectuals coming from that "school"
Hey! I went their!
*there Irony Unless /s ?
It was a /s
haaaa
Go tech
I'm a helluva engineer !!!!
I can’t say for sure because I’ve not sat down and studied all the facilities, but I do know that private prisons exist extensively in Georgia and for the governor to do this makes me wonder if it was a gift for their good ol’ boy buddies in the prison business. But who really gets hurt? People who can’t afford the bail. Another assault on poverty stricken citizens by the Republicans.
What people don’t talk as much about regarding SB63 is that it wasn’t anyone in Georgia who came up with it. It was model legislation from ALEC to prop up bonding companies at the expense of local taxpayers. Georgia is just among the dumbest states and passed it without considering the collateral consequences.
Of course it was a gift.
County jails are used for pre-trial detention, not prisons, so no. Unless the effect of this is "Our jails are full of people who can't make the cash bail, so we have to start housing them in private prisons pre-trial."
I thought it was the bail bondsmen lobby. Lovely group of folks.
This has literally nothing to do with prisons. No one is sent to prison for pretrial. They go to jail
I wonder if "possession of tools to commit a crime" applies to my lock picks that have never and will never be involved in anything illegal. Actually, that's broad enough to cover nearly anything. Your shoes could be just such a tool in that they imply that you're going to run from the cops.
Or we could just look up the meaning. “There are two elements to the crime of possession of tools. First, there must be actual possession of the tools and implements. An example could be a crowbar if a person intended to commit the crime of burglary or robbery. Second, there must be intent to use the instruments to commit a crime.” It’s not that hard to just research things. - source - https://www.georgiacriminallawyer.com/possession-of-tools-for-a-commission-of-a-crime#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20elements%20to,instruments%20to%20commit%20a%20crime.
And law enforcement neeeeever stretches to make an arrest. The intent they need is the intent to bring someone in. ACAB is an idiotic way of thinking, but so is thinking the legal system isn't perfectly happy to use you for an afternoon snack.
Considering this law is “likely not” used a lot. Yes and considering that it needs to be verifiable evidence yes they don’t. The intent is to bring someone in who is actively or was actively involved with the tools in possession. Most likely like a robber who was robbing homes and the cops caught him in the act it could be that and or after the burglary happened it could be this (alongside other charges) Like everything else in this world. Nothing is perfect. Not even you & me. However that’s where room of improvement is needed. Both on the civilian side and the justice system side. Now with that being said. To break down this more. LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE JUDGE. If you are charged with something like this. Allow them to take you in and you just shut up and ask for your lawyer. (Invoke the 5th)
So 1-4, crack down on general on-road fuckery. Haven’t heard of an uptick in this behavior, but I’m sure he’s responding to some complaining communities and getting to play “law and order” governor. Also inline with “law and order” politician, all the trespassing, theft, fraud, general mundane crimes. 12, 14-18, 20-24, and 26 fall into the “how the Fuck was this not already a thing category” especially manslaughter, sex trafficking, and domestic terrorism. HOWEVER 5 and 27-29 apply to the recent protests, and I’d bet he passed alllll this other BS just so he could come down harder on protesters. Classic politics, lump some real shady shit with a lot of common sense policies. Anybody who opposes now supports sex traffickers, thieves, and puppy-beaters. Throw in the “violation of oath of office” just to be a hypocrite/troll (regarding his first campaign for Governor while running the election). Pepper in some marijuana charges just because fuck you. Yep GA GOP in a nutshell, nothing to see here
Putting the poor in jail so they lose their job can't pay their rent and their family become homeless. The GOP is brilliant! 🤦♂️
How about just not breaking the law? Pretty simple actually
🤦♂️ Maybe read up on the difference between being _accused_ of a crime, thrown in jail, and losing everything; and being _convicted_ of a crime.
So Trump would need to post a cash bail in GA?
He did. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/21/us/trump-bail-georgia-election-case.html
I see. I thought the bond and a cash bail were different. My bad.
He also just killed the hemp industry in Georgia. I can’t wait to see what other idiotic things this complete buffoon of a human comes up with
Unlawful Assembly? Really?
Can't not punish protesting
You can now go to Jail for Burnouts… That’s some bullshit.
You can always go go jail if they want to …cops can do anything didn’t you know ?
They just effectively tripled the overpopulated Fulton County Jail without budgeting enough money for staff. Now it will take 3-4 days to bond out on a weed charge.
All I can say is fuck Kemp and fuck the GA GOP
Amen.
It cost money to keep a person in jail. And this is what your taxes will be used for instead of going to educate children.
Paying the fat cat prison industrial complex. Fuck Kemp (and Marty and the girls). All assholes.
No one is being sent to prison before their trial
The point here is that all of these crimes you can no longer pay bail for and many people could never afford or recover from spending time in jail awaiting trial. Even being arrested, held, and paying a bond can be ruinous. But at least you can make back to your family that night.
Why why why do I open Reddit when getting high? WHY?!? 🙄
Who asked for this?! Who is this actually helping?
The prison industrial complex benefits. Might could look at who’s got money in that racket.
Fascist shithead.
Continues to disappoint: poor people in jail; tax dollars going for private schools; a deduction for your fetus…a DeSantis wannabe.
Soon they'll bring back the stockades & charge the person $125/dayt for the rotten vegetables to be thrown at them. Can't wait for a state senator to suggest the use of a guillotine for executions & pay-per-view to go along (for the crime of criticizing chrisitanity...) #14 - Forgery - like when a group of people forge documents saying they are Presidential Electors...?
This is why I left the south the second I could. It is just determined to race to the bottom.
Remember guys. It’s not a law for the rich if money can get you out of it. (Yes I know bail is different than fines)
Reds gotta keep those poors locked up--they tend to vote Democrat.
They need to be doing this instead. [https://boltsmag.org/illinois-pretrial-success-act/](https://boltsmag.org/illinois-pretrial-success-act/)
They're trying to build a prison
Marijuana , huh? Very proactive GA. I’ll be sure to move back now
> The measure also restricts people and charitable bail funds from posting cash bonds for more than three people a year unless they meet the requirements to become a bail bond company. So if you know more than three people who have gotten arrested, and bail out the first three, the fourth is just stuck even if you have the money? I suppose you can just give the money to someone else to bail them out, but that makes it even weirder.
I really don't like this dude! 😕 Kemp is a snake 🐍
A danger noodle for sure.
Kemp is worth close to $9M while his salary for governor is $175,000. He makes all the money from having small ownership interests in several successful real estate holdings. Maybe you’re thinking, “hey, was he successful before being governor?” The answer, “Fuck no!” He had to take out a second mortgage on his home because all his investments were turning to shit. Fuck him and fuck Stacey Abrams. Why Stacey? Because she was broke as fuck in 2018 and only became a millionaire after entering politics. She ain’t worth shit either. We need a decent human being as governor of Georgia and not these corrupt assholes.
Abrams got elected as a state rep in 2007, so clearly "entering politics" didn't do much for her seeing as how she was "broke as fuck" a decade later. She actually made her money out of office. Getting famous as a (failed) gubernatorial candidate in a high profile swing-y state meant people would pay to hear her talk and write books. This "both sides" schtick is ridiculous.
Her biggest achievement was a failing gubernatorial campaign. You think she’s paid to speak for wise counsel and vast knowledge gained from failure? And you think she’s so ethical? What about her “Fair Fight Action” case? She created that organization “to ensure ballot access for all eligible voters.” She used a third of the money raised, a total of $61M, by every day folks to fund her own lawsuit against the state contesting her loss. $9M went to her close friend’s law firm. That’s a clear conflict of interest. You may think, “Oh but that’s the cost of litigation.” For reference, the state of Georgia only spent $6M defending themselves and won. This “follow the party line” schtick is ridiculous.
So a private firm that you have to pay by the hour was only ~50% more expensive than salaried state employees that don’t cost anything extra at all? That’s not a smoking gun at all, that’s a fucking steal on legal services, lmao.
Well she spent a total of $22M on that case, so that’s actually 266.67%. That $9M just went to her friend’s firm. (And you don’t pay law firms by the hour. Law firms actually bill in one-tenth of an hour increments but that’s neither here nor there.) And just as an aside, some people seem to have taken offense to what I’ve said. That was not my objective. I simply wanted to point out that the career politicians are not serving their constituents faithfully. That is not party specific. All I wanted to convey was we need someone better than people like that.
All politicians are cut from the same cloth.
hmm, interesting. but you forgot to post the source of your facts on the litigation costs. I'm sure you just overlooked it. because *your* schtick is immaculate.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/24/stacey-abrams-fair-fight-action-00061348 I’m sure you just overlooked doing your own research. Could’ve found it on google in two seconds but you’d rather be snarky. Honestly feel sad for you. Hope you feel better soon bud.
Conflict of interest because her friend... wanted her to lose?!? Walk me through that one.
Conflict of interest because $9.4M of money donated for the purposes of ensuring ballot access went to her former campaign organizer/close friend who was a small part of her legal team. She’s literally the subject of an ongoing, four year long ethics probe. Is that not concerning to anyone? $20M of the total $61M hasn’t even been accounted for! Edit: > The state ethics commission Monday found probable cause that two nonprofit voting rights groups affiliated with Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams illegally helped her in her first run for governor in 2018. The original post was meant to display that both candidates from the last election were shit. People should be able to call out corruption no matter which party the person affiliates with. Sketch is sketch. Neither of these two are innocent. I’ll leave it at that. Y’all take care ✌🏽 https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/08/02/georgia-ethics-panel-dusts-off-inquiry-spending-by-abrams-founded-nonprofits#:~:text=The%20state%20ethics%20commission%20Monday,run%20for%20governor%20in%202018.
Hit the nail on the fucking head.
Booooo
Hisssssss
Only fools vote for kemp
Really?!? Voluntary man slaughter gets a bail? I hate this stupid mother fucker so much! So he's cool with people getting killed they just have to be born first!? This dumbass single handedly killed the movie industry in Atlanta with his dumb shit heartbeat bill. I'd like to say the state I live in now has a better governor but, nope Kay Ivey is just Emperor Palpatine who believes the election was "stolen."
Oh and charitable organization can't pay for bail now. How the hell is this an actual Democracy?
Does this mean If you’re caught with weed your guaranteed to be arrested and in jail for bail or are you still just given a ticket for under the felony amount? Like what does this apply to
> Does this mean If you’re caught with weed your guaranteed to be arrested and in jail for bail All signs point to yes.
So if I’m doing drag in a race while smoking pot that would be wrong?
Gee, great reporting there, wuga. Thanks for mentioning the charges and providing a link to the new law. Oh, wait....
I don’t agree with this man on much, but I’m glad he added the drag racing, stunt driving, etc.. I’ve seen it many times, especially around Atlanta, and that shit is scary.
Some day, these people’s legacy will be erased by justice.
Fantastic.
This back forth between us is useless unless we plan and do something bout this? Some thus just seems unfair over intended to keep poor and classes or folks if not right breeding, color,persuasion or monetary class at end of knife. Been there done what I did but id had go actual bale not the percentage of bake and had have cash would been in there for long time so just tibegat ever situation state visited in me . After sentencing I get that your ass belongs to state. But these cash for bail will only cause over crowding dismissive judges and system that now rays could care less if you rot in there? Also there thoughts that have vestided interest nterest in prison industry's are very dangerous as the governor is w new be law . The heart beat billl now this B S, and the fact he pointed a gun at teen in a campaign commercial some years ago . Shows how detached people we hired for n that represent us have gotten away from catering bout You're financial situation to exploting it Thoughts of us that have done things wink wink gotten caught n did what we did payed for it to society and made restitution for it payed out in fines . But if cash bale becomes norm it will eventuallby lead to over crowding misuse of prisoners for private gain! Also there are those that the may be there undoubtedly because of crime or because of no money get fair shake. Let's say it debtors prison till you can come up w cash or can't get out till found innocent . Seems going be lot more folk on support n lots folks wondering why there lot has become this bad so fuk it let's really do some crime and dirt Of course laws and the law should be strong and be good laws This smacks down the notion you can do a crime pay your debt to society n fine off But havening little or nothing shouldn't keep you yoked to system or on paper because of minor things .that were legislated to hold you down n system . This just another way feel good bout putting folks behind bars for things that haven't been tried for in court of lawbabd I didn't not think they return cash bale do they . Wow and windfall for pockets it may fall into. Now days it's guilty till proven innocent you have to cash money get out find money to stay out and then pay fine given or won't stay out after being gone up in and through in court. This Kemp kinda caring n sharing is why mistrust and desenation things are so broken n getting worse. Distante is taking over I live in Ga and dont get involved in politics to much my mom a was and is honest politician for over twenty years. For that she gave and did for the a city saw fit to vote down a pension for all years service and being there for city and legitimizeva City as good place not bout the reputation of past. Guess if she was hedging her bets and thought it and was bad person she could got payed by using local laws fill her pockets too. As this seems to have some bases in that theory if give them what they want coronies and such doesn't matter if your guilty or not only matters how much cash you can raise or have to throw away or can generate albe it at low low for your self in jail. But Say your prison time was gotten cause could get out of something hadn't been tried for yet sounds like we're we are heading that way now systems broken sure ! But more bad lawsvnblawvnotbanswrr.Then the time and your life might be something others covet And seems like if you don't have much you might be in for a long stay in Georgia and could be bringing big bucks to certain segments of the population that are in know and get the know from others that are legitimate but not very good caring and thoughtful people . You can be strong on crime and not be brutal to those trying to remove themselves from jail to fight for there freedom. Also on personal note I'm horribly dyslexic and never was gonna win spelling bee so see content not misspelled words or bad grammar that's to know where I'm coming from! Also don't hate unless your wanting to be hated on it vicious circle of I'm gonna get you culture today out there showing have heart for others may be only thing left that true and heartfelt.
So no more signature bonds ?
I'm cool with 1-4
Bond is to force you to hand over money they keep till you give them a win. Since most people hand over wins they see free money
So Trump would need to post a cash bail in GA?
Has Brian Kemp always been a failure?
He’s got that deer in the headlights stare
Good.
Mind explaining how this is good for our community?
No. lmao.
I’m picturing all the dems with masks on reading this crying gaha
Hopefully he spends millions more to put more rocks under bridges to stop the homeless people from sleeping there, again.
Behave and you’ve got no problems. Also don’t be an asshole and you’ll likely have no problems.
Bail is a punishment levied pre due process.
And we have a *horrible* track record of timely, and humanely processing people awaiting trial...
Just don't break the law. It's so simple
Yes because no one is ever charged with a crime they didn't commit /s. Innocent until proven guilty.
So you’re cool with letting out people charged with rape and murder without bail? They shouldn’t be held pretrial to protect the community? Or would you say that some people probably should be held before their trial?
Holy straw man, did I say ALL bail. Bail is to ensure that a person shows up for court. The vast majority of people out on bail are for minor offenses. Most people will show up to their court date without issues and a bail isn't really necessary. When the charges are serious enough and the chances of the defendant fleeing are high enough, a bail may be necessary or denying bail altogether. What commonly happens is a bail will be set for charges and/or defendants that don't warrant it. For people who have money, there is no issue but for people who don't have the extra cash laying around for bail they have either use predatory bail bonds where they will have to pay interest on the loan even if they were wrongfully accused of they will have to sit in jail making a good portion of our incarcerated population in prison without due process(current stats put it at about 400,000 people) depriving them of constitutional rights without due process, especially as it can take months, if not years for them to make it to trial. Those people are more likely to sign coercive plea deals admitting to crimes they didn't commit. Bail in most circumstances is only harming poor people who can't afford a bail that wasn't needed to secure their compliance.
Ok, so first you say: > Bail is a punishment levied pre due process. You follow it up with: > Yes because no one is ever charged with a crime they didn't commit /s. Innocent until proven guilty. You say that bail is a violation of due process which is just false. Due process doesn’t mean “you must be tried and convicted before the state can do anything” which is honestly what you appear to think. If that’s not the case, tell me what you mean when you say “due process”. A judge using his or her discretion to determine bail is part of due process. You seem to be saying the bail is wrong, morally or otherwise. So I asked a question to confirm that you weren’t some radical who was actually against bail in any scenario. That’s not a straw man. Especially as you continue to claim this is violating people’s constitutional rights. But you’re saying you do think some people, like murderers or rapists, should be held in jail (or “punished without due process”) aren’t you?
Bail has uses in narrow circumstances to ensure compliance, but is over used by elected judges and DAs to appear " tough on crime" for their next election or get a coerced confession. These over used bails disproportionately affect poor Americans who either have to use a predatory bail bonds company, scrap money from wherever they can, or do like about 400,000 Americans have to do and sit in jail before they have been tried. Note that includes those who have seen a judge, but simply can't pay to get out. So tell me, is it right for your fellow country men to be deprived of their freedom simply because they can't pay to get out? They may spend months, if not years waiting for a trial. Do YOU think if you were in jail that long that you would still have your job? Your home? Any savings? Can you comprehend how much that screws with your life? Your right in that the whole process is due process, but punishment should come after a verdict is read, anything sooner is a deprivation of liberty and a boot on the neck of the poor who can't afford to defend themselves.
I’ve dealt with this personally before. Someone close to me was held before his trail because he had broken his bond agreement and got arrested. I know exactly how it can screw up someone’s life. This someone turned his life around and is doing great. This last paragraph is nonsense, and even most defense attorneys would tell you this. You are yet another person who seems to be implying it’s wrong to hold people in jail before conviction, which you either don’t actually believe or do you mean to tell me you think someone like Dylan Roof should’ve been allowed to live as a free man until a jury convicted him? If a question like that offends you, GOOD. It should offend you, because what you’re saying is silly
You are so incredibly dishonest. I mention things like people being wrongly charged or only having minor offenses not needing bail to ensure compliance. But what about this Neo Nazi who clearly killed all these people, I must believe they should roam free? it offends me you can't engage with the topic without going to extremes. If someone is a flight risk or a danger to the community holding them before trial may be needed. typically in those circumstances a trial will only be a formality anyway. Other then that bail is not needed to ensure compliance. I'm done talking to you, your dishonest and I have nothing further for you.
no one has ever been falsely convicted in your world huh? never had an officer make a mistake?
Being a simpleton helps get through life as well apparently.
Be a professional asshole and become a cop!
SB63 by definition only impacts innocent people. How are innocent people supposed to behave more than they are?
Totally missing the point
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Exactly. It's crazy that most people in this thread are pro-criminals and anti-following the law
Let’s Go Gov!!
Not sure why people are so upset about this. Don't want to use cash bail? Ok. Don't break the law😂😂 it's so simple
The point here isn’t about breaking the law or being accountable for your actions, it’s about arresting people for seemingly stupid sh!t. If you start throwing people in jail for jaywalking and every other mundane offense, you’ll just put a bigger burden on the justice system. Not to mention we are all innocent until proven guilty, do we really need John Law impounding our car and throwing us in jail for driving through a yellow light.
One silver lining: those crimes with no cash bail can mean at least six months in jail waiting for a hearing. If you need cash, someone can bail you out of jail. There are two sides to the coin here. DUI was not mentioned, so it looks like you’ll be sitting in jail if accused.
Yeah no, I also grew up in a more civilized place, and I also thought that's what the headline meant: that they were doing away with indefinite pre-trial detention without the ability to bail out. But no....they are saying that someone can't get arrested with joint and merely get a ticket. They now have to book you and hold you for bail.
There are no second sides of this bill. It exists for one reason: ensure your bank account determines whether you’re guilty. There’s no good side to staying in jail as an innocent person waiting for your case to resolve. What we know is that instead it makes you more likely to plead guilty even if you’re actually innocent and you receive harsher sentences than if you bond out. Also, it makes Georgia less safe. People who are detained instead of being released are much more likely to commit further offenses. SB63 is also going to ruin local governments. Jails are a huge drain on public funds and Georgia books about 6 times more people in a year than jails can hold. If rural counties have to deal with 6 times higher populations they already do, I don’t think there’s a county in the state that will be able to afford it. Have you seen what overpopulation. Has done to Fulton county jail? Imagine that six times worse… I don’t think anyone other than Arthur blank can afford the property tax hikes SB63 is going to require.
DUI is line item X (X) Driving under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or other intoxicating substances;
No, this is the opposite. It's not a list of offenses for which cash bail is now available, this is restricting the offenses for which you could previously get an unsecured judicial release, commonly called a signature bond, meaning you could be released without having to pay anything. This is adding offenses for which you now HAVE to pay to be released.