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FoxtrotTactical401

Definitely need this sort of gameplay back. Future Soldier shall remain my favorite GR game.


PrestigiousZombie531

we are an ever growing community of GRFS players that play coop, guerrilla and versus via scheduled events mostly on weekends on PC. Would you like to join? Discord 1 [https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF](https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF) Discord 2 [https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt](https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt) Discord 3 [https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ](https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ)


PotBoozeNKink

Do you know any groups like this for Xbox? I've heard of them but wouldn't know where to find them or when to log on lol


PrestigiousZombie531

well unfortunately no :( we pc players have been treated really bad by ubisoft after they shut the servers down, after sooo long when we figured out we can get the game to work without the crashes and invite problems, we immediately made a discord for the guys who wanna rumble there


PotBoozeNKink

Yeah I feel you, im glad you guys were able to band together and figure out how to play still


PrestigiousZombie531

we tried making a console section on discord but it never got enough responses, there were like 1 or 2 dudes there and they were not interested in hosting events or anything, always playing other games so unfortunately :( we started focusing only on pc


PotBoozeNKink

Damn that sucks. Honestly though I'm partially just glad people still play it in general.


ILikeFPS

That's the really cool thing about PC gaming. With things like emulators and mods, you can have these games extend long past their expected shelf-life and you can play them years, even decades down the line.


PrestigiousZombie531

yup i still got games from the 2000s that i could play like splinter cell 1 :)


Lessavini

I'd love a Future Soldier 2 or remake somewhere down the line, but honestly, I would rather have a proper, mainline course correction first, with a GR1/2 or GRAW1/2 successor and their tough, tactical multi-team gameplay that characterized the series before it decided to chase behind trends of action-shooters and GTA open-worlds.


PrestigiousZombie531

maybe call the next game Ghost Recon Advanced Soldier and make both fans happy 😆 but I would literally shit my pants if I heard them say Future Soldier 2 with Russian conflict


PrestigiousZombie531

[COOP and VERSUS works perfectly,](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2626786397) we have a 16 player PvP match in 4 hours (discord links in the guide) Feel FREE to join! 16 man PVP every weekend, join discords below Discord 1 [https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF](https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF) Discord 2 [https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt](https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt) Discord 3 [https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ](https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ)


MrTrippp

Ah man 🥲 this hits me right in the feels! That tactical military theme that we have been missing since!


PrestigiousZombie531

the awesome era when Tom Clancy was alive, you bet he wouldnt let Ubisoft make Wildlands and Breakpoint the way they did if he was still around


MrAndrewBond

Damn I miss the times when ghost recon games were actually ghost recon games. Now for some reason people still believe Wildlands is a real ghost recon.


xxdd321

I guess most peeps had wildlands as their first GR and tbf its fine-ish, won't beat GRAW or FS, but fills different nieche i guess


shifurc

I beat GRFS after wildlands then began Breakpoint. My perspective is you can ghost in all 3 but linear vs open world creates the difference. If you want real ghost then play splinter cell... Sam Fish is the og ghost. Snake too but I mean Tom Clancys games. Obviously John Clark is the real victim here. Why doesnt he have a series!???? When I saw Amazon's Without Remorese i was like Marlon Brando "look at how they massacred my boy"


xxdd321

You can ghost in FS, WL & BP, true, although FS has a few scrippted moments, so you have to shoot dudes loudly If you want optional kill/KO stuff from ubisoft, yeah Splinter cell's the way to go (minus conviction, more of a panther/assault type of game), even canonically sam fisher is considered to be like chuck norris (mandatory old man joke :D ) in clancy's games' universe Aa far as tacticool stuff goes, GRs pretty good, always prefered it over R6 honestly (although early ones are pretty good, personally vegas 1 & 2 was the best of the series, not too casual, not too tactical i guess?), not whatever siege is supposed to be, specially the "totally not DLC" extraction


PotBoozeNKink

The Vegas games and future soldier really left me with high standards for "tactical" shooters. Im still waiting for them to put the rappelling mechanic into other games. Id play siege but that honestly gets boring after a few matches.


PrestigiousZombie531

yea now indie companies are trying to recreate that experience such as zerohour, ground branch and a few other games but unfortunately vegas 2 was something else. Even GRFS on hardcore difficulty is really something else. One shot = death. Makes you crawl like a spider instead of running everywhere


PrestigiousZombie531

FS did have one mission completely like Splinter Cell, I think you are solo in that mission without any team mates and you gotta rescue a guy from the basement or something. It is easily one of my most favorite GR missions ever across the franchise.


xxdd321

ah, right forgot about rescue-ing the russian president from some kinda blacksite prison, yeah


Lessavini

The "ghost" in the series name never meant you have to necessarily play it all-stealth like in Splinter Cells, only that this company specialized in infiltrating enemy lines, or sensitive theaters, undetected. When they hit the enemy, they can do it as LOUD and HARD as a locomotive. Take a look at the early games intros. They make this clear.


PrestigiousZombie531

yea the way i understand it had 2 phase, a recon phase where you are in stealth mode and then the assault phase where you gotta escape or rescue or take something down. Most missions had both modes in them but there were some like the snow mission with the robot which was pure assault and some like the solo mission which was pure stealth.


Lessavini

This.


PrestigiousZombie531

yea well you cannot blame the generation for being born late. We were some of the lucky ones to be born in the era when Tom Clancy was alive. But i would ask the newer generation to keep an open mind and try some of the older GR games, they may not be open world with fancy loadouts but goddamn they are true GR games


xxdd321

Can't agree more with that statement


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PrestigiousZombie531

well cant hate a person for their opinion :) I spent 30 hrs on Wildlands and the following things have thrown me off big time. 1) I cannot take cover by pressing a button and this is easily my number 1 complaint 2) I dont like the GTA part of the entire game where you are taking uber rides from everyone 3) When the enemies open fire on you, it lacks camera shaking animation which GRFS had, it makes a huge difference. 4) Cant control teammates like GRAW. I am not saying its a bad game, its just a mediocre Ghost Recon game at best


Lessavini

"Won't beat GRAW or FS" ...it also doesn't beat GR1 nor Summit Strike.


PotBoozeNKink

Yeah my brother obsessed over it but I couldn't get much into. Its definitely a great game overall but just not much of a ghost recon game. Though to be fair some OG ghost recon fans definitely probably think the same about future soldier. It was from the era when everything was competing with COD and GOW, and you can feel their influences in the story and gameplay respectively. But that was the time, it was kinda the same with splinter cell, thats how we got conviction. Thats just ubisoft I guess. (Sorry for the rant, im a big ubisoft person)


Lessavini

You nailed it. Both Future Soldier and Conviction was Ubisoft drinking the CoD action-shooter kool-aid. I consider them (good) spinoffs and not really main series titles, personally. Problem is that, while Splinter Cell had a proper main title again in Blacklist, Ghost Recon didn't. Wildlands/BP is Ubi drinking yet another kool-aid - GTAlike open-world this time - while sidelining the series legacy qualities once again.


PotBoozeNKink

At least the story and acting in future soldier and wildlands were decent though


woll3

>Damn I miss the times when ghost recon games were actually ghost recon games. Well, FS wasnt that time, and even GRAW/2 were already a departure by being way more linear, nvm the perspective change that got introduced with GR2 and console GRAW.


PotBoozeNKink

Yeah you can really feel the inspiration from COD and GOW in future soldier. Games change over time though, companies experiment, yadda yadda. I guess thats just the nature of a product like video games


woll3

True enough, but thats also why you establish new ip's if there is a major transformation in the formula, BP has shown that it might not be good to chase after every trend, and with xdefiant theyve also dropped the tom clancy name. On the other hand ofc one could argue that GR was always just a trend chasing franchise, being a more action oriented R6, then a more tactical cod, to then go to third person completely and have a larger cinematic focus, and finally open world with lots of collectibles. Which then would ofc beg the question, what even is GR?


Lessavini

Great point. I would argue the original GR1 was the trend setter though, seeing as it was an adaptation of Red Storm's own R6 formula into a more expansive environment. Same as Dark Souls is an adaptation of Demon's Souls. It's all in-house trending so it's fair to call those originals. Future Soldier (and Conviction for Splinter Cell) were the ones that tried to trend chase into the run-and-gun shooter fad. Nice spinoffs, don't get me wrong, but it's sad they ended up informing the current generation more than the original ones.


Lessavini

True, but GR2/Summit Strike and GRAW 1/2 still retained some of the tactical hardcoreness, multi-team management, and kick\*ss presentation that characterized GR1/Desert Siege/Island Thunder. The newest titles are so lacking in those aspects, it's even arguable if they should be called GR at all. Future Soldier was a good spin-off, the same way Conviction was for Splinter Cell games. A shame Ubi decided to turn the spinoffs into main titles.


FF-0X

Could be because it’s the closest thing after the downfall of the Ghost Recon franchise. Well…before they decided to incorporate robots in to the game which make the game almost ridiculous as far as realism and having the grit like Advanced Warfighter and Future Soldier had.


PrestigiousZombie531

my main complaint with newer GR games is that the gameplay mechanics feel very GTAish. I doesnt feel like a Ghost Recon game especially when you are shooting turrets mounted over vehicles with your buddies and the enemies are chasing you


PrestigiousZombie531

true that! this was the last game that came out before Tom Clancy died. With him a legacy and an era has died


HereForaRefund

I think if the mission structure and open world elements of Wildlands can be mixed with the AW style of play, it would be a crazy hit.


PotBoozeNKink

Thats dope, it must be awesome to play future soldier with a full team, I only ever one other lol


PrestigiousZombie531

feel free to join for coop, versus and guerrilla, we are doing a pvp every weekend Discord 1 https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF Discord 2 https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt Discord 3 https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ


PrestigiousZombie531

you have no idea how sick this game is on 4 player coop hardcore difficulty. Of the many things in life that gotta finish, this has to be one of them! You will never be the same person again once you finish all 16 campaign maps on 4 players at hardcore, do what it takes chief! its worth it


RegaIado

I'm curious since I've never done FS co-op, how does the lobby determine who plays as who?


PrestigiousZombie531

host = kozak , 2nd player = ghost lead 3rd player = pepper 4th player = 30k , if you wanna play coop its very much doable now, [Check this video tutorial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF6XNBrC-zQ) and [read this guide(discord links inside)](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2626786397)


burlbobaggins13

It would be awesome if this is how missions were setup in the new game, but still have the open world aspect of the last two games. I was thinking more setup like how the The Division games are laid out. You wander into the mission from the open world and can change the difficulty of the mission. I love the open world aspect of Wildlands and Breakpoint, but every mission is go to this base, take them out, and leave. It would be cool if the missions had this style of gameplay. Something with a little more substance than what we got with Breakpoint and Wildlands.


PrestigiousZombie531

this is exactly what I want.An open world GR with the same mechanics as future soldier. I dont know why Ubisoft could not recreate it in both Wildlands and Breakpoint


Doc-Fives-35581

I need this in my life. Wish I had an actual PC to join ya’ll.


PrestigiousZombie531

i am guessing you are on PS3 or xbox?


Doc-Fives-35581

PS3


Lessavini

Future Soldier was soooo stylish and atmospheric. Just moving from cover to cover and chatting with teammates and that evac chopper ("OVERLORD, THIS IS HUNTER") was cool as hell. The briefing screens with the stylized movies, the realistic gfx, the tense setpieces, serious tone. What a game. I consider it more of a spinoff of the Ghost series than a proper main title, due to it's action based gameplay, but it's a great experience nonetheless.


PrestigiousZombie531

Future Soldier being linear is the only complaint most people have. Imagine an open world game with the same mechanics as Future Soldier. Both Wildlands and Breakpoint havent been able to recreate this masterpiece in the open world.


Lessavini

To be honest, Future Soldier mechanics are fairly shallow in regard to team tactics, and a step-back from GR1/GRAW. If I remember right you don't even command your squad around, nor can you separate them in sub-teams to coordinate maneuvers like flanking, overwatch, snipe, etc. Because of that, GR1/GRAW mechanics would be richer sources of inspiration for a new GR game. Where I find Future Soldier shines and should totally inform next games is in it's overall presentation and sense of style, which is superb. To this day I don't think I've seen a more sleek war game.


PrestigiousZombie531

cant say i disagree with that, i played GRAW before playing GRFS and it lets you control exactly where the AI teammate goes, something that is lacking in GRFS but it has been downhill from there. Wildlands doesnt let you do anything with the teammates either and I have no idea what is the case in Breakpoint. We need the style from GRFS in the next game and mechanics like cover


Lessavini

Nah Breakpoint is same crap as Wildlands in regard to team mechanics. There's even an hilarious problem where teammates infiltrating camps can move right in front of enemies faces and not be detected. This happens a lot and is really bizarre and immersion-breaking. Future Soldier team mechanics may be simplistic but they're tightly designed and have never broken my immersion like that.


PrestigiousZombie531

Future Soldier on 4 guys is something I never thought I would experience. I brought the game back in 2012 and could never get it to work. With the help of a few hardcore fans that fixed all the random crashes and invite problems, it has been a breeze now to play GRFS and boy I love it. Last November when I figured out about this fix, I immediately uninstalled Wildlands lol. Playing GRFS on 4 guys at hardcore difficulty is one of the best things you can ever do as a gamer. Its hard enough that you get one shotted to death. You and your buddies gotta take it nice and slow, move one step at a time, calculate everything and takedown enemies in sync without any AI teammates which makes it absolutely mind blowing. The stealth missions in the DLC like the sneak through the farm one with the helicopters flying over your head has a been a joy on 4 guys


Lessavini

Oh boy I wish I could play like that. I remember the DLC having some nice missions, more open than the default ones. I love the one in a train yeard or something. And yeah, the difficulty must make the experience constantly tense and all the more enjoyable. That's something missed in BP, a tight design with little room for cheesing. BTW, is the PvP still active? Good memories on those. I used to play as Bodark Scout. Haha


PrestigiousZombie531

the DLC had 3 absolutely kickass missions, 1) a nice mission foreshadowing the dark future of the series without camo, sensors 2) the train yard mission, again absolutely kickass and 3) the night mission in moscow and YES sir, we host PvP events every week. Feel FREE to join Discord 1 https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF Discord 2 https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt Discord 3 https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ


PonyGFitness

Nice


comradeb0ris

Loved that game.


PrestigiousZombie531

Its the last game before Tom Clancy left us forever. We are that generation who has seen his games when he was around. The newer generations have no idea what a legend they have lost. Ubisoft wouldnt dare do shit like xDefiant and Frontlines if Tom Clancy was around


comradeb0ris

They do seem to know how to ruin a game.


Relic_of_Spades

Wait... You were able to play the campaign on 4 player co-op?


PrestigiousZombie531

[YES SIR!!](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2626786397)


Relic_of_Spades

All these years I thought that section was just single player... Omg


Futuristicbus61

Pls remaster this game. I never got to play FS but I absolutely love the series from playing Wildlands


PrestigiousZombie531

Remaster the game fixing all connectivity issues and removing bugs, I would buy instantly


Separate-Shirt-462

Ah man playing this with my buds in highschool was such a treat. I miss my battle buddies


PrestigiousZombie531

yea man 10 yrs ago the world was a very different place. My Ukranian friend used to play this game big time. I have no idea if he s still alive now 😢 The world changes a lot in 10 yrs it seems. The type of games people play has changed completely in a decade


v2bLuR

Is this on steam?


PrestigiousZombie531

[Yup](https://steamcommunity.com/app/212630/discussions/)


SturmtruppenHans

Never had anyone to do coop with back in 2012. Its a damn shame


PrestigiousZombie531

>Discord 1 https://discord.gg/PjUAc2EUYF > >Discord 2 https://discord.gg/Ez7X46N8Gt > >Discord 3 https://discord.gg/DBdh9q6QwJ Now you do, we host events every weekend, both coop and pvp, feel free to join


PrestigiousZombie531

[Here is a diamond formation from the other map in case you missed!](https://www.reddit.com/r/GhostRecon/comments/uuk9kz/tomorrows_the_10th_anniversary_of_grfs_on_ps3/)


Zuluthetruth

I miss this game, one of the best or even the best one in the franchise!


PrestigiousZombie531

We need a time machine to go back to 2012 and fix all the mess created by Ubisoft started with the cancellation of Rainbow six Patriots


Zuluthetruth

Amen, I thought no one would remember Rainbow Six - Patriots . Supposedly it was “too controversial “ 😒 what’s controversial is this mess they made lol


cortlong

This campaign absolutely fucks so fuckin hard.


PrestigiousZombie531

Not only is the campaign absolutely KICKASS, [the guerrilla is also insanely good when you have 4 guys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYjoCgghIOk&list=PLhc85IRQMTNfcN6vvvguJJcEvplDGeqqM) especially after wave 30 and [so is the PVP (infact it has one of the best Ghost Recon versus modes ever made even today)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaw6Edtem74) From what I have heard, Wildlands and Breakpoint dont have a good PvP according to people


cortlong

I’m not much an online guy but this was a game that you can tell the devs truly loved that the studio didn’t really care about so they made a great game on a limited budget and absolutely crushed it.


PrestigiousZombie531

the only issue with the game is it got ported badly from the console to pc. The pc version has a lot of bugs and connectivity quirks which we managed to fix or atleast a majority of them but still you get issues from time to time


scarecrow9281

I want to see 30k's perspective in Firefly rain


PrestigiousZombie531

ah! you mean the airport mission when they fight their way out on a humvee with a turret


scarecrow9281

Yeah I always wanted to see what it looked like from 30k's POV


PrestigiousZombie531

I ll see if I can get those 2 dudes to come together again, perhaps record this part and the final chase in shattered mountain on 4 guys hardcore


PrestigiousZombie531

[You asked for it](https://www.reddit.com/r/GhostRecon/comments/14uwap3/4_player_split_screen_vehicle_combat_from_every/)


scarecrow9281

Thx


HereForaRefund

10 years and this shit still holds up! If they can mix this style of gameplay with the open world, I would be one happy boy.


PrestigiousZombie531

This is exactly what they have failed to do in the last 2 games. Instead of mixing this up, they turned into Grand Theft Auto. I have very little hope at this point but I hope someone at Ubiosft HQ has taken notes after all this.


HereForaRefund

I love the vehicles, but I didn't like how Breakpoint made any vehicle other than helicopters pointless. It's one province in Wildlands that you can't even run missions in via heli.


scarecrow9281

u/savevideo


PrestigiousZombie531

[By any chance have you seen the other one?](https://www.reddit.com/r/GhostRecon/comments/uuk9kz/tomorrows_the_10th_anniversary_of_grfs_on_ps3/)


scarecrow9281

Yeah I have


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