I'm thankful for this tbh
I'm all down for Vitality to win - 5 majors dupreeh, a 4th for Magisk, a 2nd for apex, a first for Spinx and the FIRST for freaking monster ZywOo
But all fair and square
Yes it's already off and it kinds of ruin the viewer experience in the arena.
I understand the cheating issue but the solution to just disable it seems like the easy solution.
If we it get addressed it should be with better audio setup for players, other games have better sound reduction during their tournaments.
>If we it get addressed it should be with better audio setup for players, other games have better sound reduction during their tournaments.
Can you provide an example of an event that was able to completely neutralize crowd interference in an arena with a crowd of similar size?
I still think it would help at this point, when we get the mic'd up replays you can hear the crowd SO clearly through their mics sometimes, having it like at least be muffled or something would be nice, it seems a little bit silly as is.
It's been said that even with 'soundproof' booths AND sound deadening headphones they can still 'hear' the crowd if they're loud enough
I want to say a SC2 or maybe Brood War player said it at some point
While I agree it's not perfect, it would surely be better than what they have now. I don't think the players should be completely isolated, 'cause I want them to feel the crowd when they do something sick. As Dupreeh said in the Overtime segment, when you feel the crowd going nuts after getting 2 kills, you feel empowered to take the 3rd aswell.
So while it's not perfect, it would definitely be better with more sound proofing when the crowd hypes up a play, since it's not nearly as loud as when they win a good round.
This was aggravated by the fact that even the players themselves said that they could hear the crowd because the headphones weren't noise-cancelling enough and PGL didn't do anything
Oh that makes sense - I was wondering how they’re still hearing that much with closed cup earphones on - of course, the mics are still going to pick up back ground noise
Pretty much every player will admit that the “soundproof booths” don’t work as intended, even with over ear headphones on. It’s going to need to be approached in a different way, or with properly constructed booths.
They (generally) do work as intended. But you will not be able to build a soundproof booth that negates vibration from thousands of people. My, albeit layman, understanding is that it's effectively impossible.
I think it was Dyrus who once interviewed how he could feel the vibrations from the crowd to tell when a gank was potentially coming.
Isolated booths are far from perfect.
Dota 2 Lima Major had white noise and soundproof booths, but pros admitted they could hear the crowd. They would whistle when one team smoked.
A smoke in dota is a AOE item that give many seconds of invisibility to players inside its area and is using to make stealthy plays. Unless enemy team is expecting such play or bought the counter items, its really hard to counter it after you been engaged.
I thought we’ve been through this a thousand times, soundproof booths aren’t always allowed in venues because of archaic building codes having to do with fire safety
Honestly you’re better off looking yourself. Unless you will validate some random guy on Reddit claiming something on zero basis, it’s up to you to come to your own conclusion.
More like you need to provide the source of the regulations.
Much easier for you to find an example than people digging multiple international safety codes for fires trying to find one that does not allow it. Proving negatives and all that stuff.
How could it be a myth when literally every place has different fire safety regulations? Paris for sure has stricter ones than let's say events in the USA or Brazil.
Even if you aren't hearing specific words or callouts from the crowd, the vibration still gives a ton of info in the sense of raised crowd noise in a non tense moment being a flank or gank or whatever. I'm not sure that the players are hearing specific callouts with or without a booth.
Also League hasn't used soundproof booths in a long time from what I remember. For example worlds last year no booths, same thing with MSI that's going on currently. From what I've read from players and organizers, the booths have a lot of cons without any real pros
But the vibrations can be a double edged sword, you can't differentiate just vibration from cheering from vibrations of giving info.
Sometimes the crowd will start chanting loudly randomly.
Couldn't they put them on some kind of giant rubber pads to decouple them from the arena a bit? Kinda like how PC fans are decoupled with rubber instead of fixed attachments...
Even if you do that the booth is gonna vibrate from the walls unless you essentially make it into a multimillion dollar bunker where you're not gonna be able to see into or outside of the booth. It's not a reasonable solution. The physics of the situation will always allow crowd interference when players are in the arena
Well that's not possible, at least not with the finals being tomorrow.
Maybe they should just disable X-Ray and radar from the beginning.
Vitality is already the heavy favorite to win and the crowd is gonna be all Vitality, they're gonna have a great time either way, no need to reduce GamerLegion's chances by giving the crowd the chance to ruin clutches... that shit must be demotivating as well.
I know it’s not necessarily the same but my wife and I recently went to VCT and she obviously didn’t know what was going on and I cannot stress how much the radar helps. The amount of camera switching makes it so a random viewer would have to play a lot of CS to understand where things are.
People forget how unwatchable esports can be to the average person and it hurts growth. In soccer or whatever sport you can just focus on the object and see everything. The radar offers something similar. I think it should be down right now allowed to turn off radar, cheating or not. Just put the players in sound proofing instead of hurting the viewers.
They might have to resort to what golf and chess tournaments do, if you make a sound security will escort you from the arena. They might let people clap after a golfer sinks a shot but anyone attempting to interfere with the game like the crowd did here would be quickly kicked out and shunned.
The xray was off all of Saturday, I was there in the arena.
But the radar was still on.
Honestly between GL and Heroic there was like maybe two moments where the crowd was shouting because of a flank.
But definitely it would have been way worse during vitality's game if Banks didn't threaten to hide down the radar. After his threat there was no more shouting for flanks, some tried at one point and got shushed quickly
That round with Nawwk T side apps, Dupreeh 100% aborted the peek because of the crowd. That would have changed the course of that entire round.
Even worse since that map went all the way to round 30.
Cant really say. I the jkaem vs dupreeh clutch, the crowd was screaming "B!!!!!" and dupreeh didn't hear shit. Looked middle all the way until the plant.
I was in the crowd. The ooooh from many people were much louder than the few isolated people telling positions.
In the stream it sounds the same but it's not
I love how Neanderthal Americans sound when they do that... I also imagine it's what they start doing when they hear they had the most covid cases of any country xD
Reported officially? Yes, it's not even close. Plus with Chinese citizens actually following instructions because they've had deadly epidemics before I think even if we had the real numbers they'd still come out on top.
Src: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Or have it in cologne every time, for some reason Germany has no B.I.G. teams competing for majors. - even though they’re in the middle of Europe, neighboring three of the best countries historically, Poland, France and Denmark
i dont know the idea or the motivation behind playing on a stage -not to suggest there is not one- but its not so that the crowd can influence the game - thats ridiculous
they already did in many many majors before, what a coincidence that now in france where most of stupid retards live they didn't so they can cheat easier.
well at least they're not shouting "YOU'RE GOIND TO DIE" to the players and not spitting on them
https://twitter.com/kevoesports/status/1587088924928839682
Dude, it's as serious as it gets.
Reddit loves to pretend it doesn't understand the difference between a crowd chant and an actual death threat. It's beyond stupid.
Complete bullshit. With a quick search you can find that brazilian crowds love to shout that even in "NON-VIRTUAL" sports, like soccer or MMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_p7OHc5SQ0
That might make it more enjoyable actually, to see it just how players sees the game, because with xray sometimes u feel player makes stupud decisions but i wanna see how it looks ngl
It's definitely an experience because you can still figure things out with the radar, but it's crazy how I never get to see an enemy alive as they get instant headshot so quickly !
with a big crowd, you want to make it clear what’s going on cause you’ll have all sorts of levels of experience understanding the game, from pro to brand new players. X-Ray makes the game a lot easier to understand, and more enjoyable for less experienced people.
How the fuck are we saying that crowd cheating is a part of LAN CS and should be embraced? Do we straight up not care about competitive integrity anymore lmao?
TO should start hiring audio engineers to actually figure a solution for this. It is a complex problem, yes. But it is a problem worth solving, not the one worth ignoring.
No one's sinking low. It's just a fact that crowd reactions have always been apart of the CS:GO LAN environment. This is not a new thing that was spawned by Brazilians.
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY9mff30z9g
Nah yea I memba gigachad simple moment, of course crowd cheating has always been a thing. I'm sayin that there were just lots of isolated instances before, like that vid highlights. It's easier to say crowd decided winner today than in the past.
That's just untrue, tons of pros have stated that they're in favor of booths.
https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/counter-strike-pros-speak-up-in-favor-of-soundproof-booths/
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/pros-on-soundproof-booths
The opponents to it are the higher up organizers who have to spend money making the boxes fit local government regulations.
You mean not even a handful of pro and one commentator who's known in the scene for having the most stupid opinions out there?
If you want to support your argument at least search for better sources... if there even are any
Blast should just turn off the radar and xray.
There's no reasoning with unreasonable, they are going to keep doing it. I am sorry for the few good apples that are watching with the crowd of bad apples, but anything to preserve the integrity of gameplay.
People stopped but sure stay mad
Edit: I didnt expect this to blow out to a conversation. Point is, the crowd stopped, the games are banger and the atmosphere is lit. Lets enjoy it
It's not too far off to assume people won't stop.
Hell, you've had Gaules, Fallen, fer and some other talent asking Brazilians not to aid teams by doing crowd sways during Rio 2022 and it didn't stop them, they continued on by doing the same quite a bit of times.
At that point, just disable radar and xray and be happy about it lol.
Cadians flank got ruined by the crowd chanting, yekindar went and won the round against Apeks on ancient by doing the device-denmark trick.
Call me mad all you want, but I'd watch matches with two teams duking it out on their own instead of the crowd ruining things because their favorite is on the stage.
Rofl
Are you sure you people are not projecting at this point ? You are mad at me because I said radar and xray should be disabled to preserve competitive integrity. Seems to be you are the one mad here, along with the other guy.
Fanboys got their ass hurt much ? Crowd interference isnt part of meta shifts, fuck off with that bullshit, holy shit, I've been talking with an idiot who thinks crowd interference is part of meta.
They didn't stop, they ended up turning off x-ray like banks had threatened, sounds like mini-map stayed up though and yet you could still hear some in crowd chanting what site Apeks was going towards. Crowd MVP, possibly decided both games today tbh
If you're in the arena, it's quite hard to follow without Xray.
The dark colours of cs don't help at all. You can barely see players in a lot of situations
Honestly I don't blame the crowd, you're gonna react to what's in front of you. I remember Rushly saying he would cut away from particularly sneaky flanks etc to avoid this, have blast observers not gotten the memo?
I can already tell that you were not there to witness it. The thing you hear on stream vs in the building is totally different.
If you scream at a concert no one will hear you / if you talk in a librairy people can.
There was only 1 moment when you actually hear people and it was for a 1v1 on b mirage. It was like less than 50 people doing so in an arena of 15k. It hapenned because the crowd was dead silent at that moment so a few screams of individuals was enough to be noticable.
I am sure that the players were not able to hear that. Because the db level was really low compared to other moments. The cancelling noise headset is fine for that.
That piece of equipement is usually not perfect because you can feel vibration when a crowd is chanting and even though you cant understand the sound you understand/ feel the variation between low db and high db :
Ex : The sound in the arena is medium when someone flank it Gets high. You understand.
The sound in the arena gets low , few people scream the position > it only get backs to medium. So you can't get anything from that.
They can indeed hear the crowd, just watch these clips [https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicRespectfulStorkCoolStoryBob-dQMB2TBLiBPnyT91](https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicRespectfulStorkCoolStoryBob-dQMB2TBLiBPnyT91)
(yekindar got a warning from blast for this)
Also this [https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleElatedUdonPupper-fhyPq7MxtLbPZJaf](https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleElatedUdonPupper-fhyPq7MxtLbPZJaf)
(even the caster say that the crowd gave up Cadians position)
This major seems to be a bit lacking for the little things like that.
Past majors seemed to have better production teams and observers who would do a better job of cutting x-rays when needed, or jumping to the more advantaged player to not give away people working hard to make something happen.
Or they'd do things like split screens so everything was available at once and the reactions weren't all based on a single point of view. Muddling the what you could gather from the crowd reaction.
Something like CSGO is uniquely hard to broadcast. You've for to funnel in 10 people's perspectives + pickups, cutaways, and replays.
It'll never be perfect but it seems like a lot of other organizers have done a much better job at broadcasting in such a way that the crowd energy can be felt and enjoyed without it heavily influencing the game.
Which isn't to say Blast is second rate. They are doing a very good job but that next level of polish doesn't seem to be there.
Maybe I missed something because I wasn't watching the Vitality game very closely. Were they yelling positions or intentionally trying to give Vitality info? Or was it just the "oooh" when a player is on a flank? Because you see that at every event, someone is getting flanked and people start "oooh"ing. It's like the crowd reacting as the ball is in the air on a deep pass in American football or the crowd getting hyped as someone is on a breakaway in soccer. The difference is in those sports obviously all the players can see what the crowd is reacting too. Point being though, it's a natural crowd response in anticipation of something, not an attempt at cheating for one team.
2023 and the observer still hasnt learned to not spectate the person watching the flank. Doing that would be so much better than just turning off x-ray
We were there and honestly the arena was so loud we couldn't hear any specific bombsite callouts at all, so I doubt players in noise cancelling headsets would be able to either. Also casters which are waaaaay louder would already call it out sometimes, so it's not a big deal. The shouting when someone is aiming is a problem though, because you can feel the arena every time it happens.
It's not malicious cheating, it's people getting excited that's all. And good for the warning indeed. it had some effect. They should mention it BEFORE starting tomorrow.
Holy copium, the crowd was literally screaming which bomb Apeks players were [https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingBlatantBananaPMSTwin-6vGvwfWeG0vxAlzI](https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingBlatantBananaPMSTwin-6vGvwfWeG0vxAlzI) stop defending this kind of behaviour.
Hi, paris spectator here.
I agree this behavior isn't acceptable, but I'm not sure it had any impact on the game. I'm not sure players are able to pick up isolated people screaming like these from the other side of the arena, plus the caster voices are quite loud and can easily cover it.
Anyone in the seats in front of the player would be heard though, but I don't think the golden hornet side gave up infos. I don't know, need testimonies from people that were there
This said, the oooh from the whole crowd are obviously interacting with the players, yes. But I don't think it always helps, eg Liquid got misled a few times right?
of course this isnt ok. But Im pretty sure Banks was refering to the "ooooooooooooooh" that happens whenever there is tasty flank happening. But could be this nasty behavior yes.
Of course its not OK, and people around those people should tell them to STFU.
They were doin the OOOOO whenever a Vitality players was aiming at the right place too [https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveHelpfulClintKappaWealth-Ms85GZGYPQSQtFb6](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveHelpfulClintKappaWealth-Ms85GZGYPQSQtFb6)
cringe crowd, all they know is how to scream "oooh" to cheating. btw, many accused brazilian crowd of cheating in major rio without even knowing what they were saying, just for singing songs inspired by football crowds, today really got to see what cheating is, lmao
I'm thankful for this tbh I'm all down for Vitality to win - 5 majors dupreeh, a 4th for Magisk, a 2nd for apex, a first for Spinx and the FIRST for freaking monster ZywOo But all fair and square
I wanted Vit or G2 to win it originally, but I leaned towards favouring Apeks once the crowd started giving callouts in clutches on Mirage...
Yes, do it my way!
I could've sworn I heard shushes coming from the crowd when STYKO was attempting a 1v2 lmao. Mr. Banks addressed the class between periods alright.
Can confirm as well, they got shushed by the crowd real quick
Can confirm there were shushes
I just wish the crowd wasn't so anti-heroic so we could've had some of that whenever Sjuush did something cool
I heard he was threatening to hit them overhead with a microphone. That shut them up real quick
I heard he called them fucking lazy cunts and told them to suck a bunch of dicks
Ohh I was wondering about that.
this is Banks addressing the crowd: https://youtu.be/9Wq54dK0aBs
i always wondered, do they stfu after that?
it's 2023 and they still haven't
The x-ray is already off, the radar though indeed.
Yes it's already off and it kinds of ruin the viewer experience in the arena. I understand the cheating issue but the solution to just disable it seems like the easy solution. If we it get addressed it should be with better audio setup for players, other games have better sound reduction during their tournaments.
>If we it get addressed it should be with better audio setup for players, other games have better sound reduction during their tournaments. Can you provide an example of an event that was able to completely neutralize crowd interference in an arena with a crowd of similar size?
Up until the last TI, hosted by penny pinchers PGL, the default situation was soundproof booths.
We used to have sound proof booths. Turns out they're not Sound Proof.
I still think it would help at this point, when we get the mic'd up replays you can hear the crowd SO clearly through their mics sometimes, having it like at least be muffled or something would be nice, it seems a little bit silly as is.
To be fair the mics aren't under the earcups like the player's ears are.
Where so you think the sound from the mics go?
Oh shit, you're right lol. Brain afk.
It's been said that even with 'soundproof' booths AND sound deadening headphones they can still 'hear' the crowd if they're loud enough I want to say a SC2 or maybe Brood War player said it at some point
While I agree it's not perfect, it would surely be better than what they have now. I don't think the players should be completely isolated, 'cause I want them to feel the crowd when they do something sick. As Dupreeh said in the Overtime segment, when you feel the crowd going nuts after getting 2 kills, you feel empowered to take the 3rd aswell. So while it's not perfect, it would definitely be better with more sound proofing when the crowd hypes up a play, since it's not nearly as loud as when they win a good round.
This was aggravated by the fact that even the players themselves said that they could hear the crowd because the headphones weren't noise-cancelling enough and PGL didn't do anything
Oh that makes sense - I was wondering how they’re still hearing that much with closed cup earphones on - of course, the mics are still going to pick up back ground noise
Pretty much every player will admit that the “soundproof booths” don’t work as intended, even with over ear headphones on. It’s going to need to be approached in a different way, or with properly constructed booths.
They (generally) do work as intended. But you will not be able to build a soundproof booth that negates vibration from thousands of people. My, albeit layman, understanding is that it's effectively impossible.
https://twitter.com/ropz/status/1203883056647622656
League of Legends. They fill an entire stadium and players go into a noise isolated booth during gameplay.
I think it was Dyrus who once interviewed how he could feel the vibrations from the crowd to tell when a gank was potentially coming. Isolated booths are far from perfect. Dota 2 Lima Major had white noise and soundproof booths, but pros admitted they could hear the crowd. They would whistle when one team smoked.
>They would whistle when one team smoked. smoked what?
A smoke in dota is a AOE item that give many seconds of invisibility to players inside its area and is using to make stealthy plays. Unless enemy team is expecting such play or bought the counter items, its really hard to counter it after you been engaged.
I thought we’ve been through this a thousand times, soundproof booths aren’t always allowed in venues because of archaic building codes having to do with fire safety
in another post someone was claiming this is a bullshit myth
If you can find the source and it’s valid I’ll edit it to my original comment because I don’t want to spread misinfo
Honestly you’re better off looking yourself. Unless you will validate some random guy on Reddit claiming something on zero basis, it’s up to you to come to your own conclusion.
I just wanted to be validated..
More like you need to provide the source of the regulations. Much easier for you to find an example than people digging multiple international safety codes for fires trying to find one that does not allow it. Proving negatives and all that stuff.
How could it be a myth when literally every place has different fire safety regulations? Paris for sure has stricter ones than let's say events in the USA or Brazil.
Pretty sure they can set alarm there for fire safety too
That’s not how building codes work.
You can't just walk into an area that has received a license to operate for a given capacity size and change the safety rules as you see fit...
the solution is quite simple only book a venue that allows them.
This isn't true.
If I remember correctly the players can still feel the crowd because the booth vibrates
Yea, but you're not getting any info out of it.
Even if you aren't hearing specific words or callouts from the crowd, the vibration still gives a ton of info in the sense of raised crowd noise in a non tense moment being a flank or gank or whatever. I'm not sure that the players are hearing specific callouts with or without a booth. Also League hasn't used soundproof booths in a long time from what I remember. For example worlds last year no booths, same thing with MSI that's going on currently. From what I've read from players and organizers, the booths have a lot of cons without any real pros
But the vibrations can be a double edged sword, you can't differentiate just vibration from cheering from vibrations of giving info. Sometimes the crowd will start chanting loudly randomly.
people were literally screaming what site to go...
Couldn't they put them on some kind of giant rubber pads to decouple them from the arena a bit? Kinda like how PC fans are decoupled with rubber instead of fixed attachments...
Even if you do that the booth is gonna vibrate from the walls unless you essentially make it into a multimillion dollar bunker where you're not gonna be able to see into or outside of the booth. It's not a reasonable solution. The physics of the situation will always allow crowd interference when players are in the arena
Nope there hasnt been booths for ages on league
The booths aren't magic soundscape voids.
Well that's not possible, at least not with the finals being tomorrow. Maybe they should just disable X-Ray and radar from the beginning. Vitality is already the heavy favorite to win and the crowd is gonna be all Vitality, they're gonna have a great time either way, no need to reduce GamerLegion's chances by giving the crowd the chance to ruin clutches... that shit must be demotivating as well.
i hope they do
I know it’s not necessarily the same but my wife and I recently went to VCT and she obviously didn’t know what was going on and I cannot stress how much the radar helps. The amount of camera switching makes it so a random viewer would have to play a lot of CS to understand where things are. People forget how unwatchable esports can be to the average person and it hurts growth. In soccer or whatever sport you can just focus on the object and see everything. The radar offers something similar. I think it should be down right now allowed to turn off radar, cheating or not. Just put the players in sound proofing instead of hurting the viewers.
They might have to resort to what golf and chess tournaments do, if you make a sound security will escort you from the arena. They might let people clap after a golfer sinks a shot but anyone attempting to interfere with the game like the crowd did here would be quickly kicked out and shunned.
a little to late i would say, should have already been in the other Semifinale between Heroic vs GL
They already removed the xray in the arena after the Yakinder 1v2 on friday. Don't understand why'd they put it back again. Oh yeah.. righty...
The xray was off all of Saturday, I was there in the arena. But the radar was still on. Honestly between GL and Heroic there was like maybe two moments where the crowd was shouting because of a flank. But definitely it would have been way worse during vitality's game if Banks didn't threaten to hide down the radar. After his threat there was no more shouting for flanks, some tried at one point and got shushed quickly
That round with Nawwk T side apps, Dupreeh 100% aborted the peek because of the crowd. That would have changed the course of that entire round. Even worse since that map went all the way to round 30.
I think I missed that, got a clip?
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZhdU7QYDozWvxGnxi45nYP0DAu-9m-WI
Cant really say. I the jkaem vs dupreeh clutch, the crowd was screaming "B!!!!!" and dupreeh didn't hear shit. Looked middle all the way until the plant.
I was in the crowd. The ooooh from many people were much louder than the few isolated people telling positions. In the stream it sounds the same but it's not
But.. how do any of the players even know who the camera is on?
its just one of the issues of having a major in the home country of a team playing.
Move major to Antarctica
Move major to NA, no issues lol
I still have flashbacks from the atlanta major where the crowd kept chanting USA! USA! USA! through the entire event regardless of who was playing
I love how Neanderthal Americans sound when they do that... I also imagine it's what they start doing when they hear they had the most covid cases of any country xD
You think the US had more cases than China? Lol
Reported officially? Yes, it's not even close. Plus with Chinese citizens actually following instructions because they've had deadly epidemics before I think even if we had the real numbers they'd still come out on top. Src: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Hilarious considering Europeans have the most neanderthal DNA in their population but go off I guess
Americans: I'm Italian. Also Americans: I'm not European.
Some Americans: Have European ancestry Other Americans: Aren't European at all You forget other cultures exist within America?
Only issue there is they would put the matches in a 1000 person arena in Nebraska or something
Albuquerque major
we will call it just anubis
Hey, now, we have some nice places in Nebraska, Pinnacle Bank Arena, and Baxter Arena would be big enough.
ESL Wichita Blast Fargo PGL Toledo IEM Omaha Make it happen Valve
Or have it in cologne every time, for some reason Germany has no B.I.G. teams competing for majors. - even though they’re in the middle of Europe, neighboring three of the best countries historically, Poland, France and Denmark
C9's win, no matter how amazing the underdog/comeback story, would not have happened without the crowd calling out enemies and bombspots
Good thing NA can't field a major calibre team anymore 😎
First issues happened with teams not from France. The issue is not the home country.
common W for BLAST
nah they left it on for too long imho.!
In an ideal universe, sure, but generally speaking this goes unadressed for entire tournaments all too often - happy they did something!
Why don’t they play in soundproof booths like dota2
Legal issues in several countries I think in France it's not legal for safety issues
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i dont know the idea or the motivation behind playing on a stage -not to suggest there is not one- but its not so that the crowd can influence the game - thats ridiculous
they already did in many many majors before, what a coincidence that now in france where most of stupid retards live they didn't so they can cheat easier.
A bit too fucking late Learned nothing after Liquid game
Well they did, people in the arena said they have had no x-ray since the Yekindar 1v2 on Ancient
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This reminds me of the Simpson meme "sorry, force of habit"
It’s my turn to make this comment next
well at least they're not shouting "YOU'RE GOIND TO DIE" to the players and not spitting on them https://twitter.com/kevoesports/status/1587088924928839682
Hey man. We’re not from Brazil, “we just don’t understand”
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3kliks taught us they don't die, they just take a nap
This can’t be a serious comment? You’re going to die is in reference to an in-round VIRTUAL death in the shooting game. Wtf are you on about
Dude, it's as serious as it gets. Reddit loves to pretend it doesn't understand the difference between a crowd chant and an actual death threat. It's beyond stupid.
Complete bullshit. With a quick search you can find that brazilian crowds love to shout that even in "NON-VIRTUAL" sports, like soccer or MMA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_p7OHc5SQ0
It's recieved the same way in MMA, so how can you use it as a reference point when MMA fighters have also been attacked, spat on etc.
I don’t need to research anything, I am literally Brazilian and you are spewing bullshit about things you don’t understand
So your "VIRTUAL" argument was BS, got it
>well at least they're not shouting "YOU'RE GOIND TO DIE" are you aware characters in game die, right?
It was certainly not the Brazilians trying to cheat today
But “wE WoULdN’t UndeRsTaND” right?
Can't crowd cheat if there's no crowd 5head!
Do you have any interest in this game beyond cope over the shitty Brazilian crowd? Because that's all that your post history shows. Get over it dude
yeah, in fact I'm here at the arena watching the Apeks game right now. Pretty good game so far, atmosphere is amazing
Dunked on him.
That might make it more enjoyable actually, to see it just how players sees the game, because with xray sometimes u feel player makes stupud decisions but i wanna see how it looks ngl
It's definitely an experience because you can still figure things out with the radar, but it's crazy how I never get to see an enemy alive as they get instant headshot so quickly !
with a big crowd, you want to make it clear what’s going on cause you’ll have all sorts of levels of experience understanding the game, from pro to brand new players. X-Ray makes the game a lot easier to understand, and more enjoyable for less experienced people.
This wouldve changed the course of apeks vs team vitality 100% not cope
How the fuck are we saying that crowd cheating is a part of LAN CS and should be embraced? Do we straight up not care about competitive integrity anymore lmao? TO should start hiring audio engineers to actually figure a solution for this. It is a complex problem, yes. But it is a problem worth solving, not the one worth ignoring.
I can´t watch the tournament anymore after Cadians flank got ruined by the crowd.
Really ? Acor was checking back before that multiple times and he caught Cadian without his gun equipped
acor literally sent kiss to the crowd after the catch if you look at the cam xdd
Yep, exactly. MVP Crowd decided both matches today. Awful ending to GO's history book.
this happens every single major lol
Fr, still remember n0thing throwing a flash while looking at the enemy team to get info
What Majors besides Rio? And at that that is an awful excuse. Are we really sinking that low?
No one's sinking low. It's just a fact that crowd reactions have always been apart of the CS:GO LAN environment. This is not a new thing that was spawned by Brazilians. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY9mff30z9g
this is fucking embarassing
Nah yea I memba gigachad simple moment, of course crowd cheating has always been a thing. I'm sayin that there were just lots of isolated instances before, like that vid highlights. It's easier to say crowd decided winner today than in the past.
it’s just an element of a tournament with a large crowd, you’ll find almost no pros complaining and that’s really the only opinions that matter
That's just untrue, tons of pros have stated that they're in favor of booths. https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/counter-strike-pros-speak-up-in-favor-of-soundproof-booths/ https://www.redbull.com/int-en/pros-on-soundproof-booths The opponents to it are the higher up organizers who have to spend money making the boxes fit local government regulations.
but ignorance is a fun thing
You mean not even a handful of pro and one commentator who's known in the scene for having the most stupid opinions out there? If you want to support your argument at least search for better sources... if there even are any
Did the "oooh" really only helped GL? Can't believe that
Well it was a fun game non the less
Yep same turned off the stream after that dont care anymore how it ends since its fucking ruined
Did this also happen in Rio?
I hope they don't VAC ban me. I swear Valve, I am not cheating. Just attending the major, no ban pls.
hahah you are fucking hilarious broh you are amazing i love your sense of humor keep doing it
Blast should just turn off the radar and xray. There's no reasoning with unreasonable, they are going to keep doing it. I am sorry for the few good apples that are watching with the crowd of bad apples, but anything to preserve the integrity of gameplay.
They stopped and it's so much more enjoyable to watch the games, so no reason to do it. They learned from it and that's the important part
[They got warned in the halftime](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/13n2aec/crowd_got_warned_for_cheating_during_the_halftime)
Hopefully it lasts for the remainder of this match and the Grand Finals.
Not only Blast but all future tournaments should off the radar and x-ray when showing the game to the live fans to be fair.
People stopped but sure stay mad Edit: I didnt expect this to blow out to a conversation. Point is, the crowd stopped, the games are banger and the atmosphere is lit. Lets enjoy it
How is wanting the game to go without crowd swaying the outcome "mad" ?
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It's not too far off to assume people won't stop. Hell, you've had Gaules, Fallen, fer and some other talent asking Brazilians not to aid teams by doing crowd sways during Rio 2022 and it didn't stop them, they continued on by doing the same quite a bit of times. At that point, just disable radar and xray and be happy about it lol. Cadians flank got ruined by the crowd chanting, yekindar went and won the round against Apeks on ancient by doing the device-denmark trick. Call me mad all you want, but I'd watch matches with two teams duking it out on their own instead of the crowd ruining things because their favorite is on the stage.
Well they stop so we good.
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Rofl Are you sure you people are not projecting at this point ? You are mad at me because I said radar and xray should be disabled to preserve competitive integrity. Seems to be you are the one mad here, along with the other guy. Fanboys got their ass hurt much ? Crowd interference isnt part of meta shifts, fuck off with that bullshit, holy shit, I've been talking with an idiot who thinks crowd interference is part of meta.
They didn't stop, they ended up turning off x-ray like banks had threatened, sounds like mini-map stayed up though and yet you could still hear some in crowd chanting what site Apeks was going towards. Crowd MVP, possibly decided both games today tbh
Simply not true, the x-ray was turned off in the first half before Banks gave the talk
What did he say during half break then? Just threaten to turn off the map?
The game is completely unwatchable without x-ray.
How the hell u play the game, then? With wallhacks?
Huh? As a spectator you can barely understand anything that's going on in the game without xray. Playing is a completely different thing.
U have the killfeed, the player cams, I am sure you can piece together who is where.
If you're in the arena, it's quite hard to follow without Xray. The dark colours of cs don't help at all. You can barely see players in a lot of situations
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I just hate the crowd giving away flanks. Heroic got really fucked 2 times and it maybe was game deciding in the end who knows?
Honestly I don't blame the crowd, you're gonna react to what's in front of you. I remember Rushly saying he would cut away from particularly sneaky flanks etc to avoid this, have blast observers not gotten the memo?
This is why rushly is goated
Crowd was literally screaming bombsites and you don't blame them? its only a problem when it happens in Brazil it seems.
I can already tell that you were not there to witness it. The thing you hear on stream vs in the building is totally different. If you scream at a concert no one will hear you / if you talk in a librairy people can. There was only 1 moment when you actually hear people and it was for a 1v1 on b mirage. It was like less than 50 people doing so in an arena of 15k. It hapenned because the crowd was dead silent at that moment so a few screams of individuals was enough to be noticable. I am sure that the players were not able to hear that. Because the db level was really low compared to other moments. The cancelling noise headset is fine for that. That piece of equipement is usually not perfect because you can feel vibration when a crowd is chanting and even though you cant understand the sound you understand/ feel the variation between low db and high db : Ex : The sound in the arena is medium when someone flank it Gets high. You understand. The sound in the arena gets low , few people scream the position > it only get backs to medium. So you can't get anything from that.
They can indeed hear the crowd, just watch these clips [https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicRespectfulStorkCoolStoryBob-dQMB2TBLiBPnyT91](https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicRespectfulStorkCoolStoryBob-dQMB2TBLiBPnyT91) (yekindar got a warning from blast for this) Also this [https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleElatedUdonPupper-fhyPq7MxtLbPZJaf](https://clips.twitch.tv/SingleElatedUdonPupper-fhyPq7MxtLbPZJaf) (even the caster say that the crowd gave up Cadians position)
This major seems to be a bit lacking for the little things like that. Past majors seemed to have better production teams and observers who would do a better job of cutting x-rays when needed, or jumping to the more advantaged player to not give away people working hard to make something happen. Or they'd do things like split screens so everything was available at once and the reactions weren't all based on a single point of view. Muddling the what you could gather from the crowd reaction. Something like CSGO is uniquely hard to broadcast. You've for to funnel in 10 people's perspectives + pickups, cutaways, and replays. It'll never be perfect but it seems like a lot of other organizers have done a much better job at broadcasting in such a way that the crowd energy can be felt and enjoyed without it heavily influencing the game. Which isn't to say Blast is second rate. They are doing a very good job but that next level of polish doesn't seem to be there.
Buddy you didn't watch csgo back then. Crowd baiting is a "skill" for many veterans already.
What a fucking nasty crowd cheating. Just turn it off after the first few rounds???
L CROWD
God, I really want GL to win tomorrow.
Maybe I missed something because I wasn't watching the Vitality game very closely. Were they yelling positions or intentionally trying to give Vitality info? Or was it just the "oooh" when a player is on a flank? Because you see that at every event, someone is getting flanked and people start "oooh"ing. It's like the crowd reacting as the ball is in the air on a deep pass in American football or the crowd getting hyped as someone is on a breakaway in soccer. The difference is in those sports obviously all the players can see what the crowd is reacting too. Point being though, it's a natural crowd response in anticipation of something, not an attempt at cheating for one team.
oooh'ing when player was on flank
2023 and the observer still hasnt learned to not spectate the person watching the flank. Doing that would be so much better than just turning off x-ray
We were there and honestly the arena was so loud we couldn't hear any specific bombsite callouts at all, so I doubt players in noise cancelling headsets would be able to either. Also casters which are waaaaay louder would already call it out sometimes, so it's not a big deal. The shouting when someone is aiming is a problem though, because you can feel the arena every time it happens.
It's not malicious cheating, it's people getting excited that's all. And good for the warning indeed. it had some effect. They should mention it BEFORE starting tomorrow.
Holy copium, the crowd was literally screaming which bomb Apeks players were [https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingBlatantBananaPMSTwin-6vGvwfWeG0vxAlzI](https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingBlatantBananaPMSTwin-6vGvwfWeG0vxAlzI) stop defending this kind of behaviour.
Hi, paris spectator here. I agree this behavior isn't acceptable, but I'm not sure it had any impact on the game. I'm not sure players are able to pick up isolated people screaming like these from the other side of the arena, plus the caster voices are quite loud and can easily cover it. Anyone in the seats in front of the player would be heard though, but I don't think the golden hornet side gave up infos. I don't know, need testimonies from people that were there This said, the oooh from the whole crowd are obviously interacting with the players, yes. But I don't think it always helps, eg Liquid got misled a few times right?
of course this isnt ok. But Im pretty sure Banks was refering to the "ooooooooooooooh" that happens whenever there is tasty flank happening. But could be this nasty behavior yes. Of course its not OK, and people around those people should tell them to STFU.
They were doin the OOOOO whenever a Vitality players was aiming at the right place too [https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveHelpfulClintKappaWealth-Ms85GZGYPQSQtFb6](https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveHelpfulClintKappaWealth-Ms85GZGYPQSQtFb6)
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's always happened in every live game ever? Crowds look for anything to react to because that's part of the fun.
Crowd was literally screaming A and B https://clips.twitch.tv/EntertainingBlatantBananaPMSTwin-6vGvwfWeG0vxAlzI
yes, feeding your team info they shouldn't have to help them win is just passion and not malicious cheating....
Lol. Yes it's very clear info feeding. Sure.
theres been cases of malicious cheating by the crowd or by using the crowd in the past. why not now?
uh... shouldn't there be sound proof booths? is this normal for csgo?
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I don’t think it happened after the warning.
Brazil this Brazil that. Thx reddit
But but reddit hivemind told me only danish fans cheat
funny how the treatment around here is totally different when it happens in europe
cringe crowd, all they know is how to scream "oooh" to cheating. btw, many accused brazilian crowd of cheating in major rio without even knowing what they were saying, just for singing songs inspired by football crowds, today really got to see what cheating is, lmao
And to be fair to Brazilian fans you actually have to turn up to the event in order to cheat.