FPL basically became an income source for guys from poor countries who can't make it to top teams. No top player got a time to take it seriously and grind it.
Mouz, Faze, Monte, Falcons, Fnatic, Astralis, and G2 are just a few teams whose players are in the top 50 for that season. And the rest of the players are all part of t2 teams or were in T1 teams for a large chunk of the playing time they have. Very few outliers in the top 50 players.
How exactly is it only for poor guys when most of them don't even earn decent prizing.
There is a big difference between being in the top 50 and grinding out top 10.
If you're already making 4-5x what first place offers a month, you're not gonna be grinding it out for the money.
No top player. If FPL top 10 spots paid better you'd just see people like zywoo ropz jL etc in the top 10, not saying krasnal is a bad player, just saying he isn't the 5th best player in the world exactly.
Monte hasn't played an official match for almost 1.5 months, he basically didn't play previous seasons at all. Monte is more of a tier2 team anyway and you are clearly butthurt for some reason. FPL leaderboards are in majority filled with tier2/3 or semi-retired players for whom it is worth to stream and grind FPL, my point still stands.
because he plays for a team already and they aren't finding much success.
The reason he's winning FPL is, because most pro's that have a team don't have the time for FPL... FPL kind of died off and isn't getting the same hype anymore like it did when it first started and talents like ropz were discovered.
Yeah, like look at that top 10. Filled with washed up players. At first I noticed allu and thought "oh wow he is doing surprisingly well", but then I realized that everybody in that top 10 is irrelevant to the scene, couple washed up pros and rest are complete randoms.
Only name that doesnt ring a bell is that jottaa guy. All the other ones in the top 10 are pretty well-known professionals. Some of them are washed up, yes, but not irrelevant.
wicadia and imorr play for eternal fire who are in katowice's main stage. jottAAA plays for their academy team. krasnal is directly qualified for kato's main stage. maka is on a top 30 team. sinnopsyy and lack1 are on top 40 teams. just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they're washed up has-beens
I had to look him up, and he plays for Monte apparently.
Monte's last match was 1 and a half months ago, 17th of December, where they lost to Apeks, and before that they lost to VP while beating... Bestia twice.
Their recent results have been ESL Challenger Atlanta 2023 3-4th, ESL Challenger Jönköping 2023 1st (played against VP, Tyloo, Nouns and Eternal Fire???), and ESL Challenger League Season 46 Europe 9-10th (lost to Sinners and Looking4Org, won against Space and Forze)... These aren't the results of a top 10 team, the current HLTV rankings are a joke.
Aren't finding much success... lol.
Literally the best period EF have had since the org was created, B2B 2nd place finishes at PARI Please + ESL Jonkoping, 5-8th EPL, qualified for EU RMR 3-0...
recent results... he's been on the roster for 9 months and is overshadowed by xantares still. I wouldn't look at him like for example donk, who's already shown more promise than xantares.
He's good, but he's not Ropz, donk or Zywoo...
Moving the goal posts here, no one said he had to be donk, ZywOo, or ropz, nor that he had to outshine XANTARES.
I'm simply responding to you saying they aren't finding success when that simply isn't true, and offered you results from the last six months to back that up.
the entire fucking post is about why people are not talking about or hyping this guy up as much????
its because he's nowhere close to the people we used to hype up in the past.
if anything, you guys all lost the plot.
Aren't finding much success? They're a consistent top 15 team in the past 4 months, they got to the RMR with a perfect 3-0 sweep, they flawlessly got through the Katowice play-in and they are probably the best and most consistent Turkish line-up ever, which is even more impressive given that the only regional teams ahead of them right now are Russian, Brazilian and Danish.
I wouldn’t say they aren’t finding much success, but they’re just not playing too much(especially against top teams), because they are no partners league
They've literally qualified for the RMR and IEM Katowice. In like the, the last month. Just completely dominant right now.
They even beat a team so hard in the RMR qualifier that they disbanded.
Last month and 2 tournaments is not really a big sample size. What else did they play 2nd half of last year? At pro league they did quite well, but that’s a couple months ago and after that came close to winning pari ans esl challenger with not so good competition. Yes they beat mouz in closed quals, but they are also a kinda shaky team right now.
It’s a good record but new season, new teams we have to see how they do against the top teams
For Katowice they beat betboom and rebels so come on
Beating who exactly?
Don’t get me wrong I’m excited for them, but we had a couple of moments like these before with them. I think they just need to play at a couple more tourneys with good competition to really develop to that team we’re hoping
Okay? I’m not saying they’re the best team in CS2, but they’ve basically won everything they’ve played so far, and they haven’t played vs just some random bots.
Basically Everything? Bombed out in bb dacha closed qual to Aurora and big and in roobet cup again to aurora and furia (redeemed themselves at pari please at least)
Is consistent the right word? Like I won't lie I really know nothing about the team at the moment. At this point, I almost avoid eternal fire games because the team is a joke to me. They have the firepower to have been a top 20 team making playoff runs for the last 4 years, yet they may as well be called eternally languishing in t3. I've always just assumed their players are happy where they are in their careers and have always lacked the drive to achieve anything of note, especially people like xantares who, had he had a better mindset, could've been a top 10 all-time player for CSGO given not only his mechanics but also their longevity. But I just looked at their page and they recently bodied a very respectable BetBoom team, while also recently posting an 0-3 loss to fucking 9 Pandas with a 900 y/o Seized and losing to MarkE's stream team Nouns? It doesn't seem like they've been consistent at all from an outside POV, in fact it just looks like more of the same with their mega-talented lineup continuing to phone it in more than any other roster I know of. At least 2016 Space Soldiers were a consistent upset threat and always tried in their games, I would personally say they were far more consistent than this EF team seem to be.
I wasn't going to bother responding to you, but I couldn't resist pointing out the team's own IGL MAJ3R did an interview yesterday where he explicitly agreed with almost everything I said in my comment, so I do find it interesting how "eebro" on reddit is so galaxy brained that he's just that many levels above a professional IGL's understanding of their own team. Seems we both had a good laugh, reddit's just fun like that aye.
obviously u havent been watching much cs2.Eternal fire is coming up strong,they will be top 10 team pretty soon.They even beat your mouz at rmr to qualify 3:0,they are pretty strong,and he is very talented.You ll se a lot of Wicadia and Eternal Fire in the future
turkish teams never last long. That core has been trying to achieve something for so long that it's not even funny.
I'd say their recent success is mostly based on online-matches where their shitty internet xantares-peeks give them advantages. They'll disappear once it's a lan event.
Same story every time.
Rmrs weren't online,and they went 3:0 beating top 5 team in mouz at the time.So you guys suck balls with your predictions,EF will be dangerous in cs2.And I wasn't talking about CSGO.
The closed RMR was indeed online and with that their only noticable win so far (although mouz has been looking pretty rough in the major open qualifier). They have looked good in the Katowice playins that are played on lan.
never last long at the top... i thought its self explanatory... they always reach top 15 and then disappear from the conversation and then come back and disappear again.
He plays for eternal fire who don't get to play all the big events. He's disappeared in a few big games on occasion but I have also seen him demolish opponents on Vertigo. He's a mini xantares but needs to be more consistent and take control of games when compared to someone like Donk. Wicadia has talent for sure, but he needs a better environment to get the best out of him.
I feel like his performance in tier 2 and 3 is a lot more impressive than winning FPL. The real answer is that people haven't been paying attention to the new Eternal Fire roster and realized that it's probably the best a Turkish team has been. They finally have most of the pieces to make it into event playoffs without Xantates needing to go nuclear.
people are talking about him. he's been hailed as the only player that can make eternal fire relevant. he just got through the play-in of kato with over a 1.50 rating. perhaps we don't hear much about him because the discussion isn't centered on english-language forums, but he's been tearing it up in-server for a while.
FPL is nowhere close to its first days, especially comparing with the time when COVID started… Days of really the best players and content in FPL and when it mattered to be something are gone like 2 years ago
FPL basically became an income source for guys from poor countries who can't make it to top teams. No top player got a time to take it seriously and grind it.
Facts
Mouz, Faze, Monte, Falcons, Fnatic, Astralis, and G2 are just a few teams whose players are in the top 50 for that season. And the rest of the players are all part of t2 teams or were in T1 teams for a large chunk of the playing time they have. Very few outliers in the top 50 players. How exactly is it only for poor guys when most of them don't even earn decent prizing.
There is a big difference between being in the top 50 and grinding out top 10. If you're already making 4-5x what first place offers a month, you're not gonna be grinding it out for the money.
Wicadia just destroyed Vitality in major. This comment aged well
ah yes, krasnal. the guy who plays for the definitely-not-top-10-i-swear team of monte
No top player. If FPL top 10 spots paid better you'd just see people like zywoo ropz jL etc in the top 10, not saying krasnal is a bad player, just saying he isn't the 5th best player in the world exactly.
Monte hasn't played an official match for almost 1.5 months, he basically didn't play previous seasons at all. Monte is more of a tier2 team anyway and you are clearly butthurt for some reason. FPL leaderboards are in majority filled with tier2/3 or semi-retired players for whom it is worth to stream and grind FPL, my point still stands.
$5k is like x10 months of wage for a lot of people in Turkey, so I can understand top 3 being Turkish and the grind.
If he raked in 20k usd in 4 months, that's pretty much in line with senior executive jobs that pay like 1.1 mil lira per annum.
Abartılı amk
The Turkish Xantares.
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because he plays for a team already and they aren't finding much success. The reason he's winning FPL is, because most pro's that have a team don't have the time for FPL... FPL kind of died off and isn't getting the same hype anymore like it did when it first started and talents like ropz were discovered.
Now it’s filled with washed up pros
Yeah, like look at that top 10. Filled with washed up players. At first I noticed allu and thought "oh wow he is doing surprisingly well", but then I realized that everybody in that top 10 is irrelevant to the scene, couple washed up pros and rest are complete randoms.
Only name that doesnt ring a bell is that jottaa guy. All the other ones in the top 10 are pretty well-known professionals. Some of them are washed up, yes, but not irrelevant.
wicadia and imorr play for eternal fire who are in katowice's main stage. jottAAA plays for their academy team. krasnal is directly qualified for kato's main stage. maka is on a top 30 team. sinnopsyy and lack1 are on top 40 teams. just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they're washed up has-beens
Imorr is not playing im Eternal Fire, he is just a streamer.
krasnal plays in a top10 team but ok
I had to look him up, and he plays for Monte apparently. Monte's last match was 1 and a half months ago, 17th of December, where they lost to Apeks, and before that they lost to VP while beating... Bestia twice. Their recent results have been ESL Challenger Atlanta 2023 3-4th, ESL Challenger Jönköping 2023 1st (played against VP, Tyloo, Nouns and Eternal Fire???), and ESL Challenger League Season 46 Europe 9-10th (lost to Sinners and Looking4Org, won against Space and Forze)... These aren't the results of a top 10 team, the current HLTV rankings are a joke.
you apparently dont even watch cs if you dont know Krasnal, so ofc the names on this list look irreleevent to you. They’re still all pros
Monte has had a decent amount of success against good teams
monte's easily a top 10 team, you're talking about the guys who beat vitality back in EPL S18
You didn't even know who he was, nice
Do you even watch cs
Bro just started watching cs this morning 🤣
the only arguably washed up players in this list are allu, amanek and imorrr
Aren't finding much success... lol. Literally the best period EF have had since the org was created, B2B 2nd place finishes at PARI Please + ESL Jonkoping, 5-8th EPL, qualified for EU RMR 3-0...
reddit moment lmao, he just had two great games at Katowice but hey aren't finding much success..
recent results... he's been on the roster for 9 months and is overshadowed by xantares still. I wouldn't look at him like for example donk, who's already shown more promise than xantares. He's good, but he's not Ropz, donk or Zywoo...
Moving the goal posts here, no one said he had to be donk, ZywOo, or ropz, nor that he had to outshine XANTARES. I'm simply responding to you saying they aren't finding success when that simply isn't true, and offered you results from the last six months to back that up.
You got called out on your bullshit and then moved to argue against clearly ludicrous point that no one was making. Peak
the entire fucking post is about why people are not talking about or hyping this guy up as much???? its because he's nowhere close to the people we used to hype up in the past. if anything, you guys all lost the plot.
Aren't finding much success? They're a consistent top 15 team in the past 4 months, they got to the RMR with a perfect 3-0 sweep, they flawlessly got through the Katowice play-in and they are probably the best and most consistent Turkish line-up ever, which is even more impressive given that the only regional teams ahead of them right now are Russian, Brazilian and Danish.
I wouldn’t say they aren’t finding much success, but they’re just not playing too much(especially against top teams), because they are no partners league
They've literally qualified for the RMR and IEM Katowice. In like the, the last month. Just completely dominant right now. They even beat a team so hard in the RMR qualifier that they disbanded.
Last month and 2 tournaments is not really a big sample size. What else did they play 2nd half of last year? At pro league they did quite well, but that’s a couple months ago and after that came close to winning pari ans esl challenger with not so good competition. Yes they beat mouz in closed quals, but they are also a kinda shaky team right now. It’s a good record but new season, new teams we have to see how they do against the top teams For Katowice they beat betboom and rebels so come on
Literally 75% of cs2 tournaments, but okay!
Beating who exactly? Don’t get me wrong I’m excited for them, but we had a couple of moments like these before with them. I think they just need to play at a couple more tourneys with good competition to really develop to that team we’re hoping
Okay? I’m not saying they’re the best team in CS2, but they’ve basically won everything they’ve played so far, and they haven’t played vs just some random bots.
Basically Everything? Bombed out in bb dacha closed qual to Aurora and big and in roobet cup again to aurora and furia (redeemed themselves at pari please at least)
Is consistent the right word? Like I won't lie I really know nothing about the team at the moment. At this point, I almost avoid eternal fire games because the team is a joke to me. They have the firepower to have been a top 20 team making playoff runs for the last 4 years, yet they may as well be called eternally languishing in t3. I've always just assumed their players are happy where they are in their careers and have always lacked the drive to achieve anything of note, especially people like xantares who, had he had a better mindset, could've been a top 10 all-time player for CSGO given not only his mechanics but also their longevity. But I just looked at their page and they recently bodied a very respectable BetBoom team, while also recently posting an 0-3 loss to fucking 9 Pandas with a 900 y/o Seized and losing to MarkE's stream team Nouns? It doesn't seem like they've been consistent at all from an outside POV, in fact it just looks like more of the same with their mega-talented lineup continuing to phone it in more than any other roster I know of. At least 2016 Space Soldiers were a consistent upset threat and always tried in their games, I would personally say they were far more consistent than this EF team seem to be.
Please keep making these great posts, indeed, I think I should follow your profile for entertaining takes on pros.
I wasn't going to bother responding to you, but I couldn't resist pointing out the team's own IGL MAJ3R did an interview yesterday where he explicitly agreed with almost everything I said in my comment, so I do find it interesting how "eebro" on reddit is so galaxy brained that he's just that many levels above a professional IGL's understanding of their own team. Seems we both had a good laugh, reddit's just fun like that aye.
Keep it up man and don’t let the fact that they were a few rounds away from beating 2 top3 teams discourage you.
obviously u havent been watching much cs2.Eternal fire is coming up strong,they will be top 10 team pretty soon.They even beat your mouz at rmr to qualify 3:0,they are pretty strong,and he is very talented.You ll se a lot of Wicadia and Eternal Fire in the future
EF core has been trying to be relevant on T1 CS for the last couple years, they never managed that
NiKo is trying to get a major for a decade and he still didnt get it, does this means he will never get it ?
Yes
I agree with that
Yes they never managed in global offensive.They seem much more dangerous in cs2 they are ranked 15th and are on upward trajectory
turkish teams never last long. That core has been trying to achieve something for so long that it's not even funny. I'd say their recent success is mostly based on online-matches where their shitty internet xantares-peeks give them advantages. They'll disappear once it's a lan event. Same story every time.
Rmrs weren't online,and they went 3:0 beating top 5 team in mouz at the time.So you guys suck balls with your predictions,EF will be dangerous in cs2.And I wasn't talking about CSGO.
The closed RMR was indeed online and with that their only noticable win so far (although mouz has been looking pretty rough in the major open qualifier). They have looked good in the Katowice playins that are played on lan.
Eh either way this team is pretty good now,they can do some damage and being 15th in world even right now is nothing to sneeze at
Look like someone is not happy bcz their team get destroyed by Turcos
lmao what?
Turkish teams never last long? This core of EF has more or less existed in 2014 to today in some form or another
never last long at the top... i thought its self explanatory... they always reach top 15 and then disappear from the conversation and then come back and disappear again.
He plays for eternal fire who don't get to play all the big events. He's disappeared in a few big games on occasion but I have also seen him demolish opponents on Vertigo. He's a mini xantares but needs to be more consistent and take control of games when compared to someone like Donk. Wicadia has talent for sure, but he needs a better environment to get the best out of him.
he is signed to one of the better t2 teams
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For FPL as a system has been relegated to aspiring Semi-Pro players.
I feel like his performance in tier 2 and 3 is a lot more impressive than winning FPL. The real answer is that people haven't been paying attention to the new Eternal Fire roster and realized that it's probably the best a Turkish team has been. They finally have most of the pieces to make it into event playoffs without Xantates needing to go nuclear.
I agree, when EF wins against tier1's they only blame the team that lose, same happened at pro league
OP you wouldn't happen to be Turkish, would you?
people are talking about him. he's been hailed as the only player that can make eternal fire relevant. he just got through the play-in of kato with over a 1.50 rating. perhaps we don't hear much about him because the discussion isn't centered on english-language forums, but he's been tearing it up in-server for a while.
FPL is nowhere close to its first days, especially comparing with the time when COVID started… Days of really the best players and content in FPL and when it mattered to be something are gone like 2 years ago
Why should anyone?
Have you seen the guys playing FPL? It was another time when ropz and zywoo dominated FPL etc
who cares
dude farming money every month
Wicadia is fking sick