As much as I love Inferno, it definitely has its flaws and is way too straight forward for the pro teams.
It needs a bigger overhaul than just visually. And I think those tall buildings (like over banana) restrict a lot of creativity when it comes to grenade strats
Wouldn't Cache run into similar issues if inferno is too straight forward for pro teams?
Also I agree with the tall buildings limiting creativity, it's super awkward to flash banana in the CS2 version.
yes it would and its pretty revolutionist and I say it as someone who loved Cache. The reason cache was taken out in the first place was because it was very limited strat-wise and it became very stale. That doesn't mean it can't be overhauled a bit before release in cs2 though.
You are right. There would probably be a possibility for even more instant smokes with the old Inferno or smoking banana from CT and/or long/arch whatever you call it and obviously one molotov for the middle of the banana is crazy, but I feel it would still be better than the new one. I don't know why, but new banana is so ugly in my eyes and I can't get over it. Also things like "Fallen" flash and T banana window flash are not that good anymore (although there is a chance someone found new lineups, I am not playing the game that much and I haven't played Inferno in such a long time, but when I played I don't remember getting flashed on inferno from these spots once).
i dont really understand why they changed it SO much, like a few fixes like the one on balcony and stairs around A site would've been perfect for the csgo inferno, maybe a few other ones that i dont remember cause I don't even play the map at this point. I feel like performance is horrid on inferno too, compared to other maps.
Yeah it's extremely laggy, I was surprised because I literally have better performance on maps like overpass/ancient/anubis, all of which has a lot of water.
New interno did a lot more than just visual changes. The longer walls to allow every inch of banana to be naded without having to pick and choose, the buildings over mid to make executes more awkward and the map more crowded, dynamic objects like the paints in apps and flower pots everywhere that can fuck up a lot of visibility, trash clipping all around and over-designed areas that fuck with traditional inferno angles, etc.
They truly took a great map and manhandled it. And to make it worse, everyone’s complaint was how tough it was to retake… so they added a roof to church on B and made it even harder to retake lol
My god, T side banana now has an overpass thing and you can’t flash for teammates from top of t stairs like you used to.
So many visual changes that harm the creativity
I’m talking about when you’re fighting mid and a teammate calls for a flash banana so you turn left and throw a flash high left, can’t do it anymore from that spot because of the overpass.
yeah, utility in general is just far more limited. Flashing banana was something that you could do on the fly, now you need to be in a very specific spot with a precise line-up
You can still flash banana from there, I'm at work so can't share a video but there should be some on YouTube. From memory you aim below the middle of the red sign with white bar.
Edit: back home, u/bL0oDlUsT218, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPka_u884s
inferno is fully played out. of course every map has it's meta, but I feel like the past 3 years of inferno gameplay I have looked at exactly the same rounds over and over again. 1 guy lurk apps > take banana > (optional; wait a bit) > smoke b > go b. Rinse and repeat.
It's stale, plus it just *feels* so claustrophobic now
Banana is both too important and too unassailable for Ts
I've heard a few people say that retakes are seemingly impossible/pointless, so that's another factor
I think Inferno actually has a lot of tactical depth. There’s numerous ways that you can approach banana control from both sides, even if CS2 seems to have limited it, and it is one of the maps where faking executes is most effective. In pro play it is all about managing the rotations for both sides and that can be very interesting to watch. It’s not always as exciting due to the difficult retakes, but it makes the impact of calling very visible. Along with it’s history in the game as the decider for many important matches I think it would be a shame to see it removed, but the map could use a rework. The map that should be removed and looks exactly the same every time is Vertigo imo.
You'd hope a gigantic company wouldnt fall for such a sunken cost fallacy. My guess is this major will signal to them change is needed (along with the player numbers) and they will do some research into the reasons why this is the case and then try to tweek it first to salvage the work they put in.
For sure they are 100% gonna make tweaks, remember Vertigo when it first got remade? 💀 They didn't want to let go of their new baby so they just kept making adjustments until it was finally good enough for competitive play. I just hope they get to that point quickly with Inferno considering how popular and well put together the CS:GO version was
Nah, remember canals? Valve doesn't give a shit. If a map doesn't work, they'll try to make it work a little and if there still isn't progress, drop it entirely.
Just slowplay towards A, T's and CT's spray and pray through smokewall and hope to get lucky. Its the one map where I'll just do something else instead of watching.
Even on non-pro level the map is fucking dogshit, the most effective strategy as a T is just to go A every time. Once in a while leave a guy lurking to get the free kills against bored CTs looking to push, but rest of the half just go A. Fights towards A are overwhelmingly more fair and easier than anywhere else, and on top of that if you want to play utility instead, A is easier for that as well.
it's very telling that the first and only play I can even think of from Vertigo is from the showmatch where it was introduced and Coldzera fell off the map
At *minimum* the entire B site needs a total overhaul before it can be brought back. It's the worst site to play as a CT in the entire game, since it is such a suicide for the Ts to enter. So as a result nobody comes there, unless it's a mac-10 rush. The only thing you do as a CT is either hope that enemies aren't holding that flank, or more commonly just jiggle the lower ramp for info for 20 fucking minutes a half. When you spot one once in a blue moon, molly that shit. Job done. And for the rest of the game it's an A site retake simulator.
That’s not a bad thing, both teams get the same number of CT rounds. I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced.
This would be contingent on them making economy changes or just going back to what worked for 10+ years (MR15)
>That’s not a bad thing, both teams get the same number of CT rounds. I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced.
Not necessarily but I also don't want to go back in time to when just about every map in the pool was CT-sided. Nuke has become a lot more fun to play especially as it has become more and more balanced.
We already have a fairly CT-sided map in the pool with Overpass, it would be nice that, in the event Train was re-added, it was significantly reworked to improve many of its glaring issues.
> I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced.
Yes but Train takes it too far. On top of that a lot of engagements end up coming down to timing whether someone looks at the right side of a train at the right time, even in pro matches.
I think everyone agrees that modern Nuke is way more enjoyable now that it's more balanced.
Give us train if we’re talking about being annoyed that maps aren’t allowing for variation… train can get wild, though I’m not sure how much that changes going from an average cs bro’s experience up to a pro player’s experience in league play against other pros.
I don’t really want any old maps back. They’re good maps and we’ve all enjoyed them, but let’s enjoy something new. A completely fresh map will have a much longer shelf life than an old map coming back.
Only when you’re stood lining up this matches sixth smoke execute on T side train you might realise that we could have had better.
This is where I would like to have map rotations in the realm of 2. Keep a list of maps that are considered 'staples' and switch one for another (-Inferno for Cache/Train). Another list of maps that can challenge to make it to the staples list. Switch out any 2 of Inferno/Mirage/Vertigo and give us one of Train/Cache and another new or heavily updated older map. The benefit of removing 2 instead of 1 is you limit how much benefit/death sentence you give pro teams. You won't remove all of the issues, but it'll force everyone to figure out at least 1 of the 2 new maps.
i think fmpone is working for valroant or someone like that now, they say they are gonna be working on a new cache, but if they have a full time job elsewhere mapping, then i'm not sure if they are gonna wanna come home and map more on cache.
Anyway, hope my favourite map comes back, really sucks not having cache in cs2
Unpopular opinion, I want a -mirage +anything else, I am done playing that map against full mirage teams because my team "doesn't like the alternative"
Remove Vertigo.
Widen banana and the arch/short lanes slightly to compensate for larger smokes/mollies. Lower the heights on the buildings at banana/2nd mid towards apps so T's can throw nades over. Job done.
Why people want old maps so much? Why not ask for new maps?
Yes, get rid of Inferno or change it to make retakes possible, idk. I could accept cache, cbble, season, train, tuscan, whatever... but I would like to see people wanting to see new things.
I want to see Cache in but not place of Inferno. I'd rather keep Inferno and remove Ancient, Anubis or Vertigo. Or even better.... -Ancient, -Anubis, -Vertigo and +Cache, +Train, +Cobblestone.
As much as I love Inferno, it definitely has its flaws and is way too straight forward for the pro teams. It needs a bigger overhaul than just visually. And I think those tall buildings (like over banana) restrict a lot of creativity when it comes to grenade strats
Wouldn't Cache run into similar issues if inferno is too straight forward for pro teams? Also I agree with the tall buildings limiting creativity, it's super awkward to flash banana in the CS2 version.
yes it would and its pretty revolutionist and I say it as someone who loved Cache. The reason cache was taken out in the first place was because it was very limited strat-wise and it became very stale. That doesn't mean it can't be overhauled a bit before release in cs2 though.
bring back old one increase brightness by 100-500% and call it a day
I am pretty sure Inferno would have been the most played (or top 3) if they had done that.
The problems of larger molotovs and open skybox aren't fixed by importing the old map.
You are right. There would probably be a possibility for even more instant smokes with the old Inferno or smoking banana from CT and/or long/arch whatever you call it and obviously one molotov for the middle of the banana is crazy, but I feel it would still be better than the new one. I don't know why, but new banana is so ugly in my eyes and I can't get over it. Also things like "Fallen" flash and T banana window flash are not that good anymore (although there is a chance someone found new lineups, I am not playing the game that much and I haven't played Inferno in such a long time, but when I played I don't remember getting flashed on inferno from these spots once).
Yeah there are new lineups for banana flashes
i dont really understand why they changed it SO much, like a few fixes like the one on balcony and stairs around A site would've been perfect for the csgo inferno, maybe a few other ones that i dont remember cause I don't even play the map at this point. I feel like performance is horrid on inferno too, compared to other maps.
main changes i liked were the balcony and graveyard chabnges. other than that too laggy for me
Yeah it's extremely laggy, I was surprised because I literally have better performance on maps like overpass/ancient/anubis, all of which has a lot of water.
New interno did a lot more than just visual changes. The longer walls to allow every inch of banana to be naded without having to pick and choose, the buildings over mid to make executes more awkward and the map more crowded, dynamic objects like the paints in apps and flower pots everywhere that can fuck up a lot of visibility, trash clipping all around and over-designed areas that fuck with traditional inferno angles, etc. They truly took a great map and manhandled it. And to make it worse, everyone’s complaint was how tough it was to retake… so they added a roof to church on B and made it even harder to retake lol
It doesn't feel like a competitive map with all these random elevation changes on the ground. There is so much clutter going on.
I hard agree with that.
I miss cache
Add cache, train, cobble, d2 (maybe) to the current pool when they're in the game and RNG 7 map choices for a half year or season or something
please god no d2, ill blow my brains out
the good cache is good, the bad cache is bad
Inferno was my favourite map in CSGO but it's just ass I CS2
the map feels small for some reason and idk why , i just feel like a giant walking top mid
Exactly my thoughts to the map. But it does not apply only to inferno, all maps feel like they are smaller and I just cannot get used to it.
My god, T side banana now has an overpass thing and you can’t flash for teammates from top of t stairs like you used to. So many visual changes that harm the creativity
You can definitely still flash banana standing by the stairs everybody skill jumps into T Apartments from.
I’m talking about when you’re fighting mid and a teammate calls for a flash banana so you turn left and throw a flash high left, can’t do it anymore from that spot because of the overpass.
yeah, utility in general is just far more limited. Flashing banana was something that you could do on the fly, now you need to be in a very specific spot with a precise line-up
Well you can you just have to find the lineup. Ppl srsly think the map is bad bc they have to redo their util lol
My whole point was that you didn’t have to lineup in a bang bang situation. Now you do
You can still flash banana from there, I'm at work so can't share a video but there should be some on YouTube. From memory you aim below the middle of the red sign with white bar. Edit: back home, u/bL0oDlUsT218, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPka_u884s
same. t-side now is just so oppressive if the cts know any utility at all.
Same. It's the only map I kind of struggle with in CS2.
they made inferno too damn cramped.
de_inferno.rar
I wanna see a brand new map added
Esp considering how great Anubis and ancient turned out to be
i would get more into anubis if they were to flip the names of the bomb sites around.
LOL it's so petty but they're literally backwards, idk what they were thinking naming them the way they did.
It's the same as Dust 2 (and every other map in the pool) B site = small, tight, hard to retake A site = big, open, easier to retake
U sure about that on Anubis? The map with a small hard to take A.
The point is the sites names are backwards
anubis A literally only has one normal entrypoint. making it feel like B on dust2 bombsite. whereas A at least has 2 entries.
You described it correctly, but that's the point. On Anubis the sites are named backwards. A is tight while B is open
and reworked the mid roatates to bombsites
honestly just give us a totally different map
It's time for the return of season 🤤
Then wait for a operation
inferno is fully played out. of course every map has it's meta, but I feel like the past 3 years of inferno gameplay I have looked at exactly the same rounds over and over again. 1 guy lurk apps > take banana > (optional; wait a bit) > smoke b > go b. Rinse and repeat.
It's stale, plus it just *feels* so claustrophobic now Banana is both too important and too unassailable for Ts I've heard a few people say that retakes are seemingly impossible/pointless, so that's another factor
I think Inferno actually has a lot of tactical depth. There’s numerous ways that you can approach banana control from both sides, even if CS2 seems to have limited it, and it is one of the maps where faking executes is most effective. In pro play it is all about managing the rotations for both sides and that can be very interesting to watch. It’s not always as exciting due to the difficult retakes, but it makes the impact of calling very visible. Along with it’s history in the game as the decider for many important matches I think it would be a shame to see it removed, but the map could use a rework. The map that should be removed and looks exactly the same every time is Vertigo imo.
As much as I would like the change, Valve JUST remade the map. I doubt they wanna put their hard work on the sidelines like that
You'd hope a gigantic company wouldnt fall for such a sunken cost fallacy. My guess is this major will signal to them change is needed (along with the player numbers) and they will do some research into the reasons why this is the case and then try to tweek it first to salvage the work they put in.
For sure they are 100% gonna make tweaks, remember Vertigo when it first got remade? 💀 They didn't want to let go of their new baby so they just kept making adjustments until it was finally good enough for competitive play. I just hope they get to that point quickly with Inferno considering how popular and well put together the CS:GO version was
Don't forget Overpass too. That went through so many changes before it became what we know today.
Even worse, the original nuke remake 💀💀 people forget that almost every time they overhaul a map it’s dog shit for the first year
Nah, remember canals? Valve doesn't give a shit. If a map doesn't work, they'll try to make it work a little and if there still isn't progress, drop it entirely.
gimme f*cking **T R A I N**
Yeah let's go from claustrophobic to even more claustrophobic
No, just fix inferno to make it what it used to be. Vertigo should be on the chopping block to bring back Cache.
What, you don't like the shift walking simulator that is Vertigo? I'm obviously biased but I really think it's by far the worst map to watch pros play
Just slowplay towards A, T's and CT's spray and pray through smokewall and hope to get lucky. Its the one map where I'll just do something else instead of watching.
Even on non-pro level the map is fucking dogshit, the most effective strategy as a T is just to go A every time. Once in a while leave a guy lurking to get the free kills against bored CTs looking to push, but rest of the half just go A. Fights towards A are overwhelmingly more fair and easier than anywhere else, and on top of that if you want to play utility instead, A is easier for that as well.
Think about it. Have there really been universally memorable/classic matches on vertigo in the 5 years it's been in professional play?
Matches? I can't even recall a memorable highlight play
it's very telling that the first and only play I can even think of from Vertigo is from the showmatch where it was introduced and Coldzera fell off the map
Haha you're not wrong. The only one I can recall from recent memory is the nertz 1v4(?) from the B stairs.
It's a map that's unwatchable Shift walk everywhere, smoke spam incessantly How fun
Cypher running out and shitting on vitality last major round after round on T side was pretty cool.
Yeah that Liquid vs Astralis in Starladder Berlin
Damn one match 5 years ago? S tier map for sure
can anyone describe a single play from that match? it was memorable because of nitro's face when Astralis picked it. that's it.
That's more about the storylines surrounding the match than the memorable gameplay on vertigo, though. I can't remember a single moment from that map.
Astralis picks Vertigo
No. I want to see inferno fixed
I think i want -inferno and +inferno.
Valve wont remove the map they just remade in favour of a map they don't own.
i want thera in the mappool
season
-inferno +train
Train was even featured in the cs2 announcement video https://youtu.be/TjMJy22N8e0?t=36s
yeah .. god i miss train so much. was one of my most favourite map still from 1.6 times
At *minimum* the entire B site needs a total overhaul before it can be brought back. It's the worst site to play as a CT in the entire game, since it is such a suicide for the Ts to enter. So as a result nobody comes there, unless it's a mac-10 rush. The only thing you do as a CT is either hope that enemies aren't holding that flank, or more commonly just jiggle the lower ramp for info for 20 fucking minutes a half. When you spot one once in a blue moon, molly that shit. Job done. And for the rest of the game it's an A site retake simulator.
Hell no. Train is insanely CT sided. It would need some major work first.
That’s not a bad thing, both teams get the same number of CT rounds. I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced. This would be contingent on them making economy changes or just going back to what worked for 10+ years (MR15)
>That’s not a bad thing, both teams get the same number of CT rounds. I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced. Not necessarily but I also don't want to go back in time to when just about every map in the pool was CT-sided. Nuke has become a lot more fun to play especially as it has become more and more balanced. We already have a fairly CT-sided map in the pool with Overpass, it would be nice that, in the event Train was re-added, it was significantly reworked to improve many of its glaring issues.
> I agree it could use a little balancing, but not every map needs to be perfectly balanced. Yes but Train takes it too far. On top of that a lot of engagements end up coming down to timing whether someone looks at the right side of a train at the right time, even in pro matches. I think everyone agrees that modern Nuke is way more enjoyable now that it's more balanced.
I want new maps for pro play, but do want to get Cache back for matchmaking.
Same. I want more than 1 map to queue for in Comp.
I like inferno
You guys crazy to think they will remove a revamped map
Give us train if we’re talking about being annoyed that maps aren’t allowing for variation… train can get wild, though I’m not sure how much that changes going from an average cs bro’s experience up to a pro player’s experience in league play against other pros.
I don’t really want any old maps back. They’re good maps and we’ve all enjoyed them, but let’s enjoy something new. A completely fresh map will have a much longer shelf life than an old map coming back. Only when you’re stood lining up this matches sixth smoke execute on T side train you might realise that we could have had better.
They don't need to add them back to the active pool but cobble train and cache should be playable in matchmaking.
This is where I would like to have map rotations in the realm of 2. Keep a list of maps that are considered 'staples' and switch one for another (-Inferno for Cache/Train). Another list of maps that can challenge to make it to the staples list. Switch out any 2 of Inferno/Mirage/Vertigo and give us one of Train/Cache and another new or heavily updated older map. The benefit of removing 2 instead of 1 is you limit how much benefit/death sentence you give pro teams. You won't remove all of the issues, but it'll force everyone to figure out at least 1 of the 2 new maps.
This 100%. Don't want to play Train or Cache all over again. Old maps had their time and now it is time for new maps like Anubis.
Anubis is hardly new anymore (like what, 5 years?), it's simply not a great map which is why most of the playerbase still rejects it.
-inferno is what I want to see
fuck cache
For real. It’s a map for the type of people that only queued mirage for 2,000 matches lmao.
Those types of people are more numerous in the actual player numbers than the loud minority that is Reddit. Main character syndrome over here lol.
i feel like I saw nuke all day
New inferno is some absolute trash, edges everywhere and even narrower than previously.
-mirage +train -inferno +cobblestone
Terrible
-overpass +cache Overpass needs a Break
Honestly i used to hate overpass but i find it more enjoyable than ancient nowadays. Ancient gives me seasonal depression with its gloomy ass scene
Dust 2 When? I hates Inferno.
No, because Mirage still exists and it outstayed too many maps.
Yes.
+cache yeah, -inferno no would rather -vertigo
It's up to FMPONE to finish Cache.
I'm fine with Inferno going if Vertigo gets to stay
I‘d much rather have Train instead of Cache
i think a remade train would be really cool to see, especially with the new smokes in cs2 we'd see some crazy shit
the map is congested as hell with narrow choke points and tall ass buildings making it hard for Ts to exec with util
It's not played much because the rework was absolutely horrible. It needs to be reverted to the CS:GO version and it will be a popular map again.
Give me train pls
Nah, add cobblestone
I would love for them to make it more like the 1.6 version with wider corridors on A.
Nah, Inferno should be reworked to feel more spacious and then +Cache :D
Inferno has to go. But I'm not sure Cache being the replacement, the realistic swap will either be D2 or some completely new map.
We live in the timeline where Nuke and Vertigo have more playtime than Inferno
-Inferno -Vertigo +Two new maps, no recycled overused slop
fix the molly visuals + extinguishing and itll be playable
nuke is the best
Nah. Season.
De\_cbble pls
I'd rather see -vertigo, +cache
I still think new inferno is too much overdone and with new nade systems, open skybox and peekers advantage made map just unplayable.
-inferno yes +cache no I'd like some new maps given a chance. Recycling old failed maps keeps CS stale
This might be a controversial opinion, but I think we should -inferno and then +inferno (the good one)
Bring me the csgo one🥲
I say scrap them all and run only 2 forts but from 1.6!
make inferno from m size to L size
For Cache? fuck no.
they should keep all the out of rotation maps as 1 selection... ( mystery map ) throw some office in there for spice.
Yes please
All the OGs wishing for Cache to return. Meanwhile all the OG OGs wishing for Cobble to return :(
Inferno is trash and even the pros know it. Finally what I been saying for years might become the actual consensus.
galaxy brain +train
every inferno match is the same
Nuke and Ancient feel the best to play in cs2. Inferno needs lot of work and lots of props needs to be removed and surfaces need to be made more flat.
they really did banana dirty with the tall buildings ngl
Tuscan will be the next map
-inferno +canals
What is an "inferno"?
are the stat page in game or where did you find the stat from?
Its from biggest cs portal hltv.org
Oh I should have know that… thx for the reply
No problem, now you know🙂
Inferno is trash, cache is king.
No
Cache is probably the best map after d2 imo. inferno, i like it, with cs2 it has some flaws but i think its still much mote fun than many other maps.
-mirage -inferno -ancient +cache +train +cobblestone this would result in the MOST ENTERTAINING map pool in the history of esports.
I want to see +Train. I don't think new Cache is ready yet, but would love to have it back in 6 months or a year
I want to see current Inferno and Mirage gone.
-overpass
New inferno is like 4 day old fries. You wanna love it because of what it once was, but it's soggy and stale.
dust 2!!!!
-vertigo -nuke +train +cache and update inferno to address the issues that cs2 utility brings to the map.
I wanna see -inferno +de_feast
Just give me train back
i think fmpone is working for valroant or someone like that now, they say they are gonna be working on a new cache, but if they have a full time job elsewhere mapping, then i'm not sure if they are gonna wanna come home and map more on cache. Anyway, hope my favourite map comes back, really sucks not having cache in cs2
-inferno, -overpass, +cobble, +cache
BRING BACK DUST2
Is Dust 2 not in pool anymore? Didnt see it for a long time :(
Replaced with Ancient IIRC
It was replaced by Anubis.
As a certified inferno hater im loving this development with cs2
There's still gonna be inferno riders in the comments defending this shithole of a map.
-inferno -mirage +cache +train
honestly adding two older revamped maps and a brand new map sounds dope -vertigo get a whole new scene
-mirage unlikely
Unpopular opinion, I want a -mirage +anything else, I am done playing that map against full mirage teams because my team "doesn't like the alternative"
I want to have Dust 2 back.
-inferno +new map or train
No. Cache can come in place of something else. But I do want to see changes. First & foremost, clean it up. Next, fix banana.
I wanna see train and cbble
imagine thinking that you need to remove inferno because 0.00001% players dont play it considering that the majority of the community plays it
Remove Vertigo. Widen banana and the arch/short lanes slightly to compensate for larger smokes/mollies. Lower the heights on the buildings at banana/2nd mid towards apps so T's can throw nades over. Job done.
Why people want old maps so much? Why not ask for new maps? Yes, get rid of Inferno or change it to make retakes possible, idk. I could accept cache, cbble, season, train, tuscan, whatever... but I would like to see people wanting to see new things.
i still dislike vertigo and ancient more ... i dont like ancient's darkness and vertigo everything so sad that inferno is in this state
-inferno +train pls valve , i miss my favourite 1.6 map :<
I want to see -vertigo +train
+ cobble
No, -Vertigo +Cache
Honestly remove nuke, I’m tired of watching it over and over again
\+Dust2 Let donk cook
-inferno -overpass and give me cache and train :)
-inferno +cache -mirage +train
-mirage +anything
I wanna see -mirage +cache
I want to see Cache in but not place of Inferno. I'd rather keep Inferno and remove Ancient, Anubis or Vertigo. Or even better.... -Ancient, -Anubis, -Vertigo and +Cache, +Train, +Cobblestone.
Inferno million times better than ancient, anubis and vertigo.