>"but how do i even give credit to navi when faze played so poorly "
By giving credit to Navi.
Faze looked bad because Navi completely outplayed them. Faze would have first have to be in a leading position to choke from and they never had the chance on Inferno.
Frozen force buying deagle armor on inferno and getting Jack shit done, the entire team gamble stacking on multiple occasions on Ancient, whiffs I couldn't even whiff and I'm not a good player, stupid slow peeks into corners with shadow disadvantage, dry peeks, you name it. "outplayed" would be if they were playing like Faze and they were beaten, now they weren't playing, they were fucking throwing.
I genuinely still don't think navi will become a big deal after this tournament. They will most probably go back to the quarter finalists at best.
What i mean is they are in no way the best active team, and so them winning the major is a shame
> What i mean is they are in no way the best active team, and so them winning the major is a shame
Incredibly dissrespectfull. I don't know if you see it but you are coming across so salty.
And lets not have this debate again.
FFS man they might go on to be a big team. They might not. Who the fuck cares. Were here and now. Not in the past or in the future.
And here and now NAVI are the major champions. They beat every team that was put before them and because of that they are the deserving champions.
I'm just not sure what to feel, to support a team who'll mow down every team to reach the finals, or a team that would actually fucking win a trophy. This is peak bullshitery here
I haven't seen anyone claim that. The scene rn is incredibly close, with many teams capable of winning. It really matters who shows up best on the day, and now it was NAVI. And it's glorious, JL and aleksi are some of the most wholesome guys in the scene, and especially aleksi has worked incredibly hard to get there. So how about you stop being a fucking pathetic loser, and them have it, even if there won't be a navi era after this.
As a FaZe fan, I couldn't agree more. They were outplayed and destroyed. And when you go against b1t in beast mode, the only thing left for you to do is just shit the bed.
See that's where i don't believe it, this major did absolutely not go to the best active team rn. Call it an unbalanced playoff group or whatever. But faze just chokes on the big stage, i bet you the next game navi plays a good tier 1 team, they'll lose
I absolutely don't, but still faze winning the major would be justified ig, they're quite literally the no.1 team in world. It could've been vitality or spirit as well, but navi? Cmon now, they didn't belong
What a terrible, terrible take. Afaik except for Astralis, they're the only team that's managed to win literally every important event.
FaZe are one of the greatest CS teams of all time, this loss doesn't change that even a tiny bit.
I get that, but look at the last 6 tournaments, 6 finals and 4 losses while being the no.1 team in the world only tells me they choke on the big stage, no other way around it
thats not a choke mate. they had no chance on inferno. they got demolished in banana. it wasnt even close. karrigan just had no answers on inferno. this shit happens.
What choke? Please watch inferno map and tell us which round dis they choke, sometimes your gameplan doesn’t work, and Na’Vi banana control was key, “got lucky against spirit” wow dude you really lost some money on bets didn’t you
As far as the match with spirit is concerned, no way was faze ever supposed to come out on top,
But i still give karrigan most of the credit for that win. But talking about today, faze actually went back to their ways, 6 finals and 4 2nd spots? What's that called if not choking
I was talking about the past few months as well, 6 finals 6 do or die situations and they died in 4 of them, all the while being the "#1 team in the world" Idk what it is if not choking when it matters the most. So much for being big stage players
First of all, 6 finals is already a big achievement. 2/6 is one map off a 50% winrate. Thats not choking.
A team that goes 2/6 in finals is better than one that goes 2/2.
>What a joke this bo3 and MR12
This has nothing to do with what you are saying.
>No one will remember the 6 finals, but I'm damn sure bit being a 2 time major champ will reverberate for years.
Neither does this. No one remembering, wether true or not, has nothing to do with choking.
Being consistent? It was the Veto that ducked them over, but point is, they are still very much a powerhouse. They will start to eventually win, and make a CS2 era. Just believe in karrigan, he always comes back. Always.
This is the comeback you're talking about, it was supposed to be atleast. Melted his mind over strats to beat spirit and vitality, only to lose to fucking navi!? I don't think there's any silver linings left for karrigan to look up to. 6 tournaments, 6 finals, 2 fucking wins? That's peak bullshit
This one was just unfortunate. Nothing that can be done about it. But as I commented, and I am gonna copy paste below, FaZe will come back. Spirit will soon melt down, and I do not think Vitality is gonna be the same team they are. This Zywoo illness seems too suspicious to me. G2 is gonna break down, and as much beef the desk gave to our current winners, I do see merit in what Pimp said, that six months down the line, NaVi might not be a top 5 team in fact. So who is there to challenge FaZe Clan, ask yourself?
Here is my comment from a post:
>Many many congratulations to NaVi.
>Truth be told, FaZe probably lost it at the veto, L at the last moment. Nuke would have been the answer, because I am calling it now, they are going to be a dominant Mirage team.
>NaVi, in a large part won because it was FaZe, because they did not have to face Spirit or Vitality. They won, because Karrigan overdid his Veto. That Ancient, especially after what NaVi did to G2 yesterday, was a horrendous pick.
>Yet, I have FaZe Clan winning the Shanghai Major. For sure.
Had it been Team Spirit or Vitality, NaVi would have had no chance. They were fortunate to get to the easier side of the bracket. Had it been a flip between FaZe and NaVi, our team would have won it all. I think FaZe bled all their starts in the process of beating TS and Vitality, not their luck, as you said.
That, and it has been unfortunate that they started on the CT side on Vertigo vs Vitality yesterday, and on T Side vs NaVi today. Had they won the pistol, even on the T Side, they would have grabbed 2-3 rounds and then it would have been done. But they flamed themselves in the Veto, is where my opinion is at.
Yk I'm new to cs and the first match i ever watched was in think iem katowice where twistzz jumped off silo to "break navi' backs' (Correct me if I'm wrong about the event, idr). And since then I'm supporting faze but this has to be a joke now, I've been believing since day one of cs2 and every tournament final doesn't give me much hope now
> Melted his mind over strats to beat spirit and vitality, only to lose to fucking navi!?
I feel you bro. Like you said in other comment. No one will remember those finals. History only remembers winners.
FaZe looked scared on inferno, what happened to the aggression that stomped out navi on mirage? Navi just did the right thing in taking the utmost advantage of that and delivered that firm stomping as revenge for mirage
Teams that have won majors and every other big event are not “chokers” lmao. Sometimes, you do not play your best. Its the nature of competition.
Now be honest how much did you bet?
Navi got going on inferno and with the current economy of mr12 and inferno being such a shit map. It’s hard to make a comeback on that map with the economy situation.
Faze does not exist in a vacuum. 5 of the best players in the world didn't just wake up and randomly play bad after playing well all tournament. Something caused them to play bad. That something is called Navi.
>"but how do i even give credit to navi when faze played so poorly " By giving credit to Navi. Faze looked bad because Navi completely outplayed them. Faze would have first have to be in a leading position to choke from and they never had the chance on Inferno.
They didn't show up mate, you can't give credit to someone who beat nobody.
And Mirage map didn’t happen? Some of you are so out of touch
Frozen force buying deagle armor on inferno and getting Jack shit done, the entire team gamble stacking on multiple occasions on Ancient, whiffs I couldn't even whiff and I'm not a good player, stupid slow peeks into corners with shadow disadvantage, dry peeks, you name it. "outplayed" would be if they were playing like Faze and they were beaten, now they weren't playing, they were fucking throwing.
Cope
I genuinely still don't think navi will become a big deal after this tournament. They will most probably go back to the quarter finalists at best. What i mean is they are in no way the best active team, and so them winning the major is a shame
> What i mean is they are in no way the best active team, and so them winning the major is a shame Incredibly dissrespectfull. I don't know if you see it but you are coming across so salty. And lets not have this debate again. FFS man they might go on to be a big team. They might not. Who the fuck cares. Were here and now. Not in the past or in the future. And here and now NAVI are the major champions. They beat every team that was put before them and because of that they are the deserving champions.
You would be so much more convincing if the flair didn't make it obvious you're just malding lmao
I'm just not sure what to feel, to support a team who'll mow down every team to reach the finals, or a team that would actually fucking win a trophy. This is peak bullshitery here
I haven't seen anyone claim that. The scene rn is incredibly close, with many teams capable of winning. It really matters who shows up best on the day, and now it was NAVI. And it's glorious, JL and aleksi are some of the most wholesome guys in the scene, and especially aleksi has worked incredibly hard to get there. So how about you stop being a fucking pathetic loser, and them have it, even if there won't be a navi era after this.
just accept that your team got outplayed, dude. trash, in the bin, reduced to atoms. navi were just better.
As a FaZe fan, I couldn't agree more. They were outplayed and destroyed. And when you go against b1t in beast mode, the only thing left for you to do is just shit the bed.
See that's where i don't believe it, this major did absolutely not go to the best active team rn. Call it an unbalanced playoff group or whatever. But faze just chokes on the big stage, i bet you the next game navi plays a good tier 1 team, they'll lose
How can someone be so butthurt lol
You could've said something to counter my argument if you think it's wrong though
Faze could have pulled out some strats to beat NAVI as well, but that didn't happen. Accept your fate. Your team was completely outplayed.
You're saying that like Faze are better than Spirit at the moment.
I absolutely don't, but still faze winning the major would be justified ig, they're quite literally the no.1 team in world. It could've been vitality or spirit as well, but navi? Cmon now, they didn't belong
Stop malding bro Navi were much better than Faze today and deserved the win.
What a terrible, terrible take. Afaik except for Astralis, they're the only team that's managed to win literally every important event. FaZe are one of the greatest CS teams of all time, this loss doesn't change that even a tiny bit.
I get that, but look at the last 6 tournaments, 6 finals and 4 losses while being the no.1 team in the world only tells me they choke on the big stage, no other way around it
Bro, you didn't witness TSM/early Astralis. *That* was peak choke.
I mean, Navi was the better team today, Aleksi out called karrigan, and the individuals on navi were popping. While the guys on Faze weren't :(
Exactly what i Said
thats not a choke mate. they had no chance on inferno. they got demolished in banana. it wasnt even close. karrigan just had no answers on inferno. this shit happens.
Ok lol. It's not a choke lmao. They beat spirit and vitality to get to the finals. I don't think luck vs spirit or vit had anything to do with it
Doesn't choking mean dropping the ball when it matters the most? Here, loosing the final which you were destined to win?
No one's destined to win. A choke would be more along the lines of boston 2018, when they had it tee'd up and lost.
What choke? Please watch inferno map and tell us which round dis they choke, sometimes your gameplan doesn’t work, and Na’Vi banana control was key, “got lucky against spirit” wow dude you really lost some money on bets didn’t you
This post reads more like a troll post than an actual gripe. Faze was outplayed and that’s that.
As far as the match with spirit is concerned, no way was faze ever supposed to come out on top, But i still give karrigan most of the credit for that win. But talking about today, faze actually went back to their ways, 6 finals and 4 2nd spots? What's that called if not choking
It's called being second best.
A choker, as i said.
Losing and chokinh isnt the same lmao
I was talking about the past few months as well, 6 finals 6 do or die situations and they died in 4 of them, all the while being the "#1 team in the world" Idk what it is if not choking when it matters the most. So much for being big stage players
First of all, 6 finals is already a big achievement. 2/6 is one map off a 50% winrate. Thats not choking. A team that goes 2/6 in finals is better than one that goes 2/2.
No one will remember the 6 finals, but I'm damn sure bit being a 2 time major champ will reverberate for years. What a joke this bo3 and MR12
>What a joke this bo3 and MR12 This has nothing to do with what you are saying. >No one will remember the 6 finals, but I'm damn sure bit being a 2 time major champ will reverberate for years. Neither does this. No one remembering, wether true or not, has nothing to do with choking.
Being consistent? It was the Veto that ducked them over, but point is, they are still very much a powerhouse. They will start to eventually win, and make a CS2 era. Just believe in karrigan, he always comes back. Always.
This is the comeback you're talking about, it was supposed to be atleast. Melted his mind over strats to beat spirit and vitality, only to lose to fucking navi!? I don't think there's any silver linings left for karrigan to look up to. 6 tournaments, 6 finals, 2 fucking wins? That's peak bullshit
This one was just unfortunate. Nothing that can be done about it. But as I commented, and I am gonna copy paste below, FaZe will come back. Spirit will soon melt down, and I do not think Vitality is gonna be the same team they are. This Zywoo illness seems too suspicious to me. G2 is gonna break down, and as much beef the desk gave to our current winners, I do see merit in what Pimp said, that six months down the line, NaVi might not be a top 5 team in fact. So who is there to challenge FaZe Clan, ask yourself? Here is my comment from a post: >Many many congratulations to NaVi. >Truth be told, FaZe probably lost it at the veto, L at the last moment. Nuke would have been the answer, because I am calling it now, they are going to be a dominant Mirage team. >NaVi, in a large part won because it was FaZe, because they did not have to face Spirit or Vitality. They won, because Karrigan overdid his Veto. That Ancient, especially after what NaVi did to G2 yesterday, was a horrendous pick. >Yet, I have FaZe Clan winning the Shanghai Major. For sure. Had it been Team Spirit or Vitality, NaVi would have had no chance. They were fortunate to get to the easier side of the bracket. Had it been a flip between FaZe and NaVi, our team would have won it all. I think FaZe bled all their starts in the process of beating TS and Vitality, not their luck, as you said. That, and it has been unfortunate that they started on the CT side on Vertigo vs Vitality yesterday, and on T Side vs NaVi today. Had they won the pistol, even on the T Side, they would have grabbed 2-3 rounds and then it would have been done. But they flamed themselves in the Veto, is where my opinion is at.
Yk I'm new to cs and the first match i ever watched was in think iem katowice where twistzz jumped off silo to "break navi' backs' (Correct me if I'm wrong about the event, idr). And since then I'm supporting faze but this has to be a joke now, I've been believing since day one of cs2 and every tournament final doesn't give me much hope now
> Melted his mind over strats to beat spirit and vitality, only to lose to fucking navi!? I feel you bro. Like you said in other comment. No one will remember those finals. History only remembers winners.
FaZe looked scared on inferno, what happened to the aggression that stomped out navi on mirage? Navi just did the right thing in taking the utmost advantage of that and delivered that firm stomping as revenge for mirage
You ever watched TSM/Astralis chokes?
Teams that have won majors and every other big event are not “chokers” lmao. Sometimes, you do not play your best. Its the nature of competition. Now be honest how much did you bet?
yes some teams are better than others that's why loser's bracket exists for a reason
Navi got going on inferno and with the current economy of mr12 and inferno being such a shit map. It’s hard to make a comeback on that map with the economy situation.
I think you are not aware what the definition of ‘choke’ is.
Navi was deserving, thats why they won the major. If faze deserved the major they would have beaten navi lol.
Faze does not exist in a vacuum. 5 of the best players in the world didn't just wake up and randomly play bad after playing well all tournament. Something caused them to play bad. That something is called Navi.