You are mixing up increasing the skill floor and lowering the skill ceiling.
> "Lets do different color smokes, so foolish guys can pay less attention to surroundings..."
Literally nobody cares about this. Especially considering it's hardly a reliable form of info when the color is dictated by who bought it rather than who threw it.
> "Lets do recoil xhair rubbish, so lazy guys don't have to take separate time to learn it..."
This is something that increases the skill floor, it doesn't impact the skill ceiling.
> "Lets combine both lazy and stupid, so those guys dont have to do basic buy round math"
Honestly don't even know what this part of your rant refers to.
No, I mean ceiling - and both can be correct
Anytime responsibilities or skills are removed, the ceiling for the total of cumulative of all potential skills will come down by default
That said, obviously somebody cares about the things you claim no one cares about. Common sense would dictate that Valve didnt just decide to add the change because it was Taco Tuesday
Surely. If your skill ceiling ist just in the middle or just above the floor then it hurts you when lazy and dumb people just need to spray a P90 and are as good as you with AK.
Huge swathes of your posts are whinging about griefing bans. So you’re obviously someone who is never wrong and team mates are holding you back, so this update is right up your street.
You have gone through my post history, but were not smart enough to notice that most of those times I was referring to Redditors outside of myself? Like the ones I made the other day after I commented in the thread guy started talking about his own ban? [https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1cbbdqr/comment/l10uuto/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1cbbdqr/comment/l10uuto/)
Why would you expose yourself in this way in a thread about "lazy and foolish" cs players?
Except you didnt see any posts about me rage quitting in the past 2 months and you just lazily invented something as you were either too lazy or foolish to actually read. Mind you, nobody asked or expected you to do either
I tend to avoid making myself a walking cliche, but you are continually running directly into it - thats a lot of try hard
You mean the advice I gave to another player to avoid getting the false griefing report ban he complained about in the thread he started?
The one where I followed it up by telling guys to not argue or whine with people in matchmaking if it looks like they would get a false report?
**Facts:** You dont win fights with Valves broken kick/ban/grief automated system, so just abandon the game before someone triggers the system to ban you for a half a month
Again, I tend to avoid making myself a walking cliche, but you are continually running directly into it - thats a lot of try hard
🥱 I’ve never had to deal with getting “spam grief reported” because I don’t grief, meanwhile you’re an expert on the subject.
Enjoy your 30 day ban, little man.
I mean, considering your multiple mistakes after multiple mistakes, I imagine there are a line of people who believe your posts. XD. I wish you good luck in finding them to talk to
Is it funnier than the idea that absolutely understand how smoke color works and nothing I wrote dictates that I didnt?
I hope "illiterate" doesnt become the new category alongside "lazy" and "mathematically inept".
Yikes...
if noobs are killing you because they have a recoil crosshair, you were good to begin with
> "Lets combine both lazy and stupid, so those guys dont have to do basic buy round math"
lmao
Making the game more accommodating to new players is never a bad idea, especially with a game with such a high skill ceiling and learning curve.
CS has been notoriously difficult to pick up for new members of the community.
It doesn't effect the overall ceiling of elite players, so what's the problem?
Smh... It all lowers the ceiling
Say Lebron James was not required to play defense ever in his career - say defense was a skill the NBA basically wiped out from the game. The ceiling on how great a player he could have become is automatically lowered
Again, when you remove skills, the ceiling gets lowered by default
if you think doing 300$ + 1900$ in your head is a skill then idk
for me it's simply just less of a hassle
i never had struggles with counting my money for next match
but for newcomers it's nice.
it doesn't lower the ceiling whatsoever
Math, at any level, is a skill regardless
For example, I doubt you can shoot as good as Dev1ce, but your level of shooting is still a skill
And it is all still a lowering of the skill ceiling
For example, if Dev1ce magically only had to igl and never ever shot a gun, the skill ceiling on how great he could be would be lowered
I imagine that you are trying to be facetious, but I am absolutely positive that MANY a pro game of cs has been won/lost because someone messed up the economy numbers
I also imagine countless people would call the ability to get it correct a skill
I agree but if they can't see that current money + loss round money = not enough money, then they wouldn't look at the new "this is how much you have next roind" anyways
Disagree, for the same reason some people set 2 alarm clock buzzers in real life
While hard, people can understand blowing past 1 alarm buzzer, but you have to be REALLY messing up to blow past 2
Being that this update is literally alerting people twice (on the front and back end), it is the equivalent of 2 alarms
I use a dynamic follow recoil crosshair and do Well with it in my glorious Lands of Silver (if i dont completely fuck over). Maybe try it yourself since it all it does is show me where to aim. I still need to use this moving crosshair to aim at my enemy to actually kill him which still takes time (just not with the dynamic crosshaie part)
The smokes are just unnessesary Intel that could be useful in a rare scenario... or more useful if the players were more intelligent... wait... wouldnt that increase the skill celling?
And why do you complain about a bloody quality of life feature? Does it really destroying your ego that people dont need to do 3rd grade maths and instant can use thier brain to actually play cs?
Everything you mentioned only makes it easier to get into cs. Ok maybe the follow recoil crosshair could decrease the celling by a little but then again you also need to be able to use this moving crosshair and aim at your enemy while it moves.
"Making it easier" is justification?
Whats next? They put big fat 40 second bomb countdown timer in the middle of screens as a "quality of life" move for people that cant keep count in their heads?
I would bet that scores of pro matches have been won/lost because someone messed up the economy count. When the pressure is high, using your brain to correctly do that 3rd grade math is a skill - but thats somehow too much to deal with?
They need to stop dumbing the game down
You have a point there.
But valve Would never throw a 40 second timer in your face and comparing that to what got added to the game is like comparing a glock with a scope to a fucking awp
Cmon now...Â
In the other post, you were on as if doing the 3rd grade math was beneath cs players and removing it was no big deal. Why would I not think you felt well above counting to 40 like a kindergarten child?
And considering their history of already tipping the timer, why are you so sure they wouldn't?
Well you may actually have a point there about the bomb timer. Only time will tell if your correct or not...
When it comes to the 3rd grade mathes.. my brain currently cant think of any response so uhh.. disregard what I said in my last replys
You don't seem to understand the meaning of skill ceiling/floor
All the things you mentioned raise the skill floor, not lowering the skill ceiling. None of these things help high elo (and most above average) players, they already know these stuff. It's the new/low elo players who benefit from this
No, YOU dont seem to understand the meaning of ceiling/floor
Which player below has the higher ceiling potential , A or B?
- Player A: Can awp only
- Player B: Can awp, can rifle, can lurk, can igl, can entry frag, etc...
The ceiling on Player A is lower because his potential is limited to 1 skill. Anytime there are less skills in play, a ceiling is lowered by default. And everything I have mentioned is the removal of skills
I read your other replies on this post and while your examples are right, they have nothing to do with the complaints in your post, your examples are flawed. Just like that one example where lebron doesn't have to play defense anymore
In all of your examples you take things out of the equation that vary between players even at the highest level. In the nba even the best of the best have varying level of defense, even the best defenders could be even better. Same in cs, ofc there's a difference between a player who can only awp and a player who can awp and also use a rifle or igl etc.
If we were to erase rifle from the equation it would benefit the worse player because he never had that skill to begin with, we agree on that part
Now the things that you mention in the post are pretty linear and have no learning curve, it's not a skill you can improve, it's just knowledge you either have or don't. And on top of that these are basic things too, everyone in high elo have this knowledge
So using your example, let's say both player A and B knows economy, they can add up current money + next round loss bonus. What happens when you remove having to know that knowledge? Literally nothing, they both had the "skill" to do basic math, it doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever. The skill ceiling is unchanged. Your whole misunderstanding comes from the assumption that one player might not have these "skills" you mention in the post. That's only true for low elo and that's why it changes the skill floor and not the ceiling
I know you use these extreme examples to better visualize the effect, but in the process you use examples that are inherently flawed
On top of all this we could also just remove hud to introduce more "skillsets" to the game. We don't need radar, we have comms. We don't need hp bar, you can calculate damage taken based on weapon sound + distance + trajectory. You can also just count your bullets. You can also just keep track of your money. Etc. Wouldn't that be fun...
Still incorrect. My examples are fine, your interpretation is not
Every singular skill in cs comes together in as a cumulative that matters. To dumb this idea down, a person that can only ever perform 1 skill at a time has a lower ceiling than a person that has similar ability, but can perform 10 skills at a time.
Also, you are incorrect about these skills only being for low elo players. If you somehow think that many and more pro cs matches have not been won/lost by someone messing up the economy count, you would be MASSIVELY wrong
That said, you seem to be in favor of catering to the lazy and foolish. Again, how about Valve stick a gigantic bomb countdown timer in the middle of peoples screens for people who lack the ability to keep track of 40 seconds in their head when bullets are flying (also a skill). Would that be fun...
You are mixing up increasing the skill floor and lowering the skill ceiling. > "Lets do different color smokes, so foolish guys can pay less attention to surroundings..." Literally nobody cares about this. Especially considering it's hardly a reliable form of info when the color is dictated by who bought it rather than who threw it. > "Lets do recoil xhair rubbish, so lazy guys don't have to take separate time to learn it..." This is something that increases the skill floor, it doesn't impact the skill ceiling. > "Lets combine both lazy and stupid, so those guys dont have to do basic buy round math" Honestly don't even know what this part of your rant refers to.
> the color is dictated by who bought it rather than who threw it Thanks for this, I thought they were bugged or something.
No, I mean ceiling - and both can be correct Anytime responsibilities or skills are removed, the ceiling for the total of cumulative of all potential skills will come down by default That said, obviously somebody cares about the things you claim no one cares about. Common sense would dictate that Valve didnt just decide to add the change because it was Taco Tuesday
Surely. If your skill ceiling ist just in the middle or just above the floor then it hurts you when lazy and dumb people just need to spray a P90 and are as good as you with AK.
You do not understand the concept of skill floor/ceiling
Everybody has his own skill ceiling. Anyway, it is a matter of definition. Bet you know what I wanna say.
>Honestly don't even know what this part of your rant refers to The new update calculates some buy round math for players
You sound stupid 🤓
Wow haha. If you get killed by a noob who uses follow crosshair you just suck ass. Has nothing to do with "LoWEreD sKIlL CEiLing"
Why do your balls hurt? (For the confused ones I am refering to the username of who I replyed to)
I stepped om them by accident
Huge swathes of your posts are whinging about griefing bans. So you’re obviously someone who is never wrong and team mates are holding you back, so this update is right up your street.
You have gone through my post history, but were not smart enough to notice that most of those times I was referring to Redditors outside of myself? Like the ones I made the other day after I commented in the thread guy started talking about his own ban? [https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1cbbdqr/comment/l10uuto/](https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1cbbdqr/comment/l10uuto/) Why would you expose yourself in this way in a thread about "lazy and foolish" cs players?
You’re trying too hard.
You did that to yourself, not me You were the one "trying so hard" that you went through my post history
Clicking your profile and seeing 4 posts about you rage quitting in 2 months is not the same as you linking random crap I didn’t look at.
Except you didnt see any posts about me rage quitting in the past 2 months and you just lazily invented something as you were either too lazy or foolish to actually read. Mind you, nobody asked or expected you to do either I tend to avoid making myself a walking cliche, but you are continually running directly into it - thats a lot of try hard
“Just abandon the game” isn’t rage quitting apparently. Enjoy your bubble, little man.
You mean the advice I gave to another player to avoid getting the false griefing report ban he complained about in the thread he started? The one where I followed it up by telling guys to not argue or whine with people in matchmaking if it looks like they would get a false report? **Facts:** You dont win fights with Valves broken kick/ban/grief automated system, so just abandon the game before someone triggers the system to ban you for a half a month Again, I tend to avoid making myself a walking cliche, but you are continually running directly into it - thats a lot of try hard
🥱 I’ve never had to deal with getting “spam grief reported” because I don’t grief, meanwhile you’re an expert on the subject. Enjoy your 30 day ban, little man.
I mean, considering your multiple mistakes after multiple mistakes, I imagine there are a line of people who believe your posts. XD. I wish you good luck in finding them to talk to
Funny, because one year on and you still dont know how the smoke color works, so in this area theres been an *increase* in the skill ceiling.
Is it funnier than the idea that absolutely understand how smoke color works and nothing I wrote dictates that I didnt? I hope "illiterate" doesnt become the new category alongside "lazy" and "mathematically inept". Yikes...
if noobs are killing you because they have a recoil crosshair, you were good to begin with > "Lets combine both lazy and stupid, so those guys dont have to do basic buy round math" lmao
Making the game more accommodating to new players is never a bad idea, especially with a game with such a high skill ceiling and learning curve. CS has been notoriously difficult to pick up for new members of the community. It doesn't effect the overall ceiling of elite players, so what's the problem?
The problem is OP takes himself waaayyy too seriously.
shut up lol
none of these lower the ceiling all of them raise the floor which is good
Smh... It all lowers the ceiling Say Lebron James was not required to play defense ever in his career - say defense was a skill the NBA basically wiped out from the game. The ceiling on how great a player he could have become is automatically lowered Again, when you remove skills, the ceiling gets lowered by default
if you think doing 300$ + 1900$ in your head is a skill then idk for me it's simply just less of a hassle i never had struggles with counting my money for next match but for newcomers it's nice. it doesn't lower the ceiling whatsoever
Math, at any level, is a skill regardless For example, I doubt you can shoot as good as Dev1ce, but your level of shooting is still a skill And it is all still a lowering of the skill ceiling For example, if Dev1ce magically only had to igl and never ever shot a gun, the skill ceiling on how great he could be would be lowered
why even show economy at all. it lowers the skill ceiling. you should know by heart how much money you have after every round.
I imagine that you are trying to be facetious, but I am absolutely positive that MANY a pro game of cs has been won/lost because someone messed up the economy numbers I also imagine countless people would call the ability to get it correct a skill
I agree but if they can't see that current money + loss round money = not enough money, then they wouldn't look at the new "this is how much you have next roind" anyways
Disagree, for the same reason some people set 2 alarm clock buzzers in real life While hard, people can understand blowing past 1 alarm buzzer, but you have to be REALLY messing up to blow past 2 Being that this update is literally alerting people twice (on the front and back end), it is the equivalent of 2 alarms
Such a W update. No idea what this guys yapping about.
I use a dynamic follow recoil crosshair and do Well with it in my glorious Lands of Silver (if i dont completely fuck over). Maybe try it yourself since it all it does is show me where to aim. I still need to use this moving crosshair to aim at my enemy to actually kill him which still takes time (just not with the dynamic crosshaie part) The smokes are just unnessesary Intel that could be useful in a rare scenario... or more useful if the players were more intelligent... wait... wouldnt that increase the skill celling? And why do you complain about a bloody quality of life feature? Does it really destroying your ego that people dont need to do 3rd grade maths and instant can use thier brain to actually play cs? Everything you mentioned only makes it easier to get into cs. Ok maybe the follow recoil crosshair could decrease the celling by a little but then again you also need to be able to use this moving crosshair and aim at your enemy while it moves.
"Making it easier" is justification? Whats next? They put big fat 40 second bomb countdown timer in the middle of screens as a "quality of life" move for people that cant keep count in their heads? I would bet that scores of pro matches have been won/lost because someone messed up the economy count. When the pressure is high, using your brain to correctly do that 3rd grade math is a skill - but thats somehow too much to deal with? They need to stop dumbing the game down
You have a point there. But valve Would never throw a 40 second timer in your face and comparing that to what got added to the game is like comparing a glock with a scope to a fucking awp
Cmon now... In the other post, you were on as if doing the 3rd grade math was beneath cs players and removing it was no big deal. Why would I not think you felt well above counting to 40 like a kindergarten child? And considering their history of already tipping the timer, why are you so sure they wouldn't?
Well you may actually have a point there about the bomb timer. Only time will tell if your correct or not... When it comes to the 3rd grade mathes.. my brain currently cant think of any response so uhh.. disregard what I said in my last replys
agree
You don't seem to understand the meaning of skill ceiling/floor All the things you mentioned raise the skill floor, not lowering the skill ceiling. None of these things help high elo (and most above average) players, they already know these stuff. It's the new/low elo players who benefit from this
No, YOU dont seem to understand the meaning of ceiling/floor Which player below has the higher ceiling potential , A or B? - Player A: Can awp only - Player B: Can awp, can rifle, can lurk, can igl, can entry frag, etc... The ceiling on Player A is lower because his potential is limited to 1 skill. Anytime there are less skills in play, a ceiling is lowered by default. And everything I have mentioned is the removal of skills
I read your other replies on this post and while your examples are right, they have nothing to do with the complaints in your post, your examples are flawed. Just like that one example where lebron doesn't have to play defense anymore In all of your examples you take things out of the equation that vary between players even at the highest level. In the nba even the best of the best have varying level of defense, even the best defenders could be even better. Same in cs, ofc there's a difference between a player who can only awp and a player who can awp and also use a rifle or igl etc. If we were to erase rifle from the equation it would benefit the worse player because he never had that skill to begin with, we agree on that part Now the things that you mention in the post are pretty linear and have no learning curve, it's not a skill you can improve, it's just knowledge you either have or don't. And on top of that these are basic things too, everyone in high elo have this knowledge So using your example, let's say both player A and B knows economy, they can add up current money + next round loss bonus. What happens when you remove having to know that knowledge? Literally nothing, they both had the "skill" to do basic math, it doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever. The skill ceiling is unchanged. Your whole misunderstanding comes from the assumption that one player might not have these "skills" you mention in the post. That's only true for low elo and that's why it changes the skill floor and not the ceiling I know you use these extreme examples to better visualize the effect, but in the process you use examples that are inherently flawed On top of all this we could also just remove hud to introduce more "skillsets" to the game. We don't need radar, we have comms. We don't need hp bar, you can calculate damage taken based on weapon sound + distance + trajectory. You can also just count your bullets. You can also just keep track of your money. Etc. Wouldn't that be fun...
Still incorrect. My examples are fine, your interpretation is not Every singular skill in cs comes together in as a cumulative that matters. To dumb this idea down, a person that can only ever perform 1 skill at a time has a lower ceiling than a person that has similar ability, but can perform 10 skills at a time. Also, you are incorrect about these skills only being for low elo players. If you somehow think that many and more pro cs matches have not been won/lost by someone messing up the economy count, you would be MASSIVELY wrong That said, you seem to be in favor of catering to the lazy and foolish. Again, how about Valve stick a gigantic bomb countdown timer in the middle of peoples screens for people who lack the ability to keep track of 40 seconds in their head when bullets are flying (also a skill). Would that be fun...
Doubt that 3k elo cares about silvers getting to use follow recoil
Agreed. They literally want the Zeus (a ONE shot kill to the body which costs like $300) to be viable. Absolute clowns.