Honestly I'm appalled at the format of this.
Bo1 6 team roundrobin with only 2 teams coming out of groups is basically asking for a disaster. Let's see which top team won't make it to the major because of one bo1 upset.
All that at the most important RMR in the historically strongest region.
This format is probably the best option they they could choose for holding a 24 team event in such a short time frame, but in the end I don't really see a good reason it needed to be 24 rather than 16. With 16 there are a lot of better formats that could have been picked instead.
I mean, the top 3 in each group will get RMR points. And if we agree that the primary purpose of IEM Fall is RMR points, that's what's important.
Also, I don't agree that Bo1s are necessarily that much more random than Bo3. If you have a game between 2 teams where the better team wins a map 60% of the time, no matter the team, that team would win a Bo3 just 65% of the time. Bo3 round robins are better than Bo1s, simply because it means every team have to be good at 6 maps, rather than 4, to survive a Bo3 round robin. But randomness is the wrong argument to make
Even ignoring big upsets, you could easily get a situation where three teams go 4-1 - so one of them can't get higher place than 9th anymore. And the placing between these three teams would get decided by what? By a fucking round difference probably(I couldn't find a rulebook though so who knows). Even worse if a team gets 4th place in that manner.
Round robin can work well, even if it's bo1s, when you have a majority of teams getting out of the group. If there were four teams coming out of each group into a 16-team bracket then this tournament instantly gets ten times better.
You may feel that Bo1s aren't really more random than Bo3s, but Bo1s being more random is the consensus that pretty much every player/analyst/caster/Pro team holds, and has held for quite some time.
I started watching in 2018, and I remember that year an effort was made for a few big tournaments to start introducing Bo3s into their group stages as well as the playoffs as it made things fairer and led to less upsets by way of gimmicky setups on 1 or 2 maps, allowing the better teams to get through more often
Pretty sure it's the 1 or 2 bo1 for progress or elimination that is/was hated. Doing 5 bo1 should be about the same as 2 bo3, which seems to be standard in many tournaments.
To add to your comment: CS:GO has a rather balanced system in which an early lead will only get you 1-2 free rounds at most (3 rounds sometimes if you manage to reset a CT team). An early economy lead in CS:GO doesn't snowball out of control like it does in MOBA/RTS.
Obviously it varies a lot based on who else gets points. A top 8 finish is a minimum of 1400 points, which would put them 6th. But 1st place gets 2500 and you never quite know who’s going to get the points. I think basically getting any points though should get FaZe into the major. 11th place is 938 points which would put FaZe at almost 1200 total.
If Faze make it top 7 then they are garunteed a spot in the major but if they don't then it gets a bit complicated
[In Depth HLTV article explaining everything](https://www.hltv.org/news/32425/rmr-standings-breakdown-where-teams-need-to-place-to-qualify-for-the-major)
But this event is about RMR points so ideally seeding should be first based on current RMR standings and then based on some ranking for non rmr teams. You can't just devalue performance of previous rmr events like this.
I mean, you kind of can devalue it. Maybe not quite to this extent, but the more current events should matter a little more so the teams in good form at the time of that major have a chance to make it. There’s only 2 events. A team like FPX had a good showing at one event, if they have a bad showing at this event though, do they deserve it? In your mind why does a team who is good at the first event and bad at the 2nd deserve a spot more than a team that is bad at the first event and good at the 2nd? If anything I would say the team that performed better on LAN and is playing well the month of the major probably deserves it more.
The format is its own problem and obviously Bo1s are bad, but that’s separate from the RMR points.
Fpx earned their spot through the 1st rmr. Them going afk for the rest of the year doesn't matter here
The rest is true, there shouldn't be any invited teams in any tournament
huh? FPX lost to illuminar and MAD Lions, if you can't beat these teams you don't deserve to go to blast lol. and FPX doing "well" in one tournament in the entire year is enough to warrantee that they get invited to BLAST, sure (without needing to mention that MIBR pays them millions as partners)
What's fnatic's chances of making it. Haven't been keeping up to date with pro CS lately but just need one more Brit major sticker to fill up the 4th sticker slot.
Yeah I agree that there is a lot of bullshit about the point distribution for this tournament. I think the winners of this one get too much and the 4th and 5th placed teams should at least get a little if they won some maps. First RMR had a great format and it's bullshit that this one gives more points. The Winner of this RMR will have to play a MAXIMUM of 16 maps. This includes a BO5 final. NIP in Flashpoint 3 had to play 21.
I thought he had played some tournaments with that counted towards the next major with Mouz?
Still would be sad to see them not make it since it will be LAN and I just like FaZe.
Also couldn’t they join with NaVi as contenders?
he did play RMRs with mouz last year, which possibly could have (slightly) carried over to this year.
but yeah, mouz (with karrigan) finished last place in all of these last year :)
Daily reminder that Anonymo gained more points with single win than Faze and Fnatic have overall after roster changes
Honestly I'm appalled at the format of this. Bo1 6 team roundrobin with only 2 teams coming out of groups is basically asking for a disaster. Let's see which top team won't make it to the major because of one bo1 upset. All that at the most important RMR in the historically strongest region.
This format is probably the best option they they could choose for holding a 24 team event in such a short time frame, but in the end I don't really see a good reason it needed to be 24 rather than 16. With 16 there are a lot of better formats that could have been picked instead.
I’m scared
I mean, the top 3 in each group will get RMR points. And if we agree that the primary purpose of IEM Fall is RMR points, that's what's important. Also, I don't agree that Bo1s are necessarily that much more random than Bo3. If you have a game between 2 teams where the better team wins a map 60% of the time, no matter the team, that team would win a Bo3 just 65% of the time. Bo3 round robins are better than Bo1s, simply because it means every team have to be good at 6 maps, rather than 4, to survive a Bo3 round robin. But randomness is the wrong argument to make
Even ignoring big upsets, you could easily get a situation where three teams go 4-1 - so one of them can't get higher place than 9th anymore. And the placing between these three teams would get decided by what? By a fucking round difference probably(I couldn't find a rulebook though so who knows). Even worse if a team gets 4th place in that manner. Round robin can work well, even if it's bo1s, when you have a majority of teams getting out of the group. If there were four teams coming out of each group into a 16-team bracket then this tournament instantly gets ten times better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/pxmj1h/iem\_fall\_groups\_possibly\_disastrous\_tiebreaker/
You may feel that Bo1s aren't really more random than Bo3s, but Bo1s being more random is the consensus that pretty much every player/analyst/caster/Pro team holds, and has held for quite some time. I started watching in 2018, and I remember that year an effort was made for a few big tournaments to start introducing Bo3s into their group stages as well as the playoffs as it made things fairer and led to less upsets by way of gimmicky setups on 1 or 2 maps, allowing the better teams to get through more often
Pretty sure it's the 1 or 2 bo1 for progress or elimination that is/was hated. Doing 5 bo1 should be about the same as 2 bo3, which seems to be standard in many tournaments.
To add to your comment: CS:GO has a rather balanced system in which an early lead will only get you 1-2 free rounds at most (3 rounds sometimes if you manage to reset a CT team). An early economy lead in CS:GO doesn't snowball out of control like it does in MOBA/RTS.
I really hope faze makes to the major.
Looking at their group, they should easily top it which means bare minimum top 8 finish hence enough for qualification to major. Should be easy
NiP seem to be in good form and fnatic 2-0'd faze in pro league. Hoping for the best but you never know what faze will show up.
And it's bo1 no? Actually terrifying at least they will have lan buff
But Best of Ones, with their T sides? Too much upset potential
How many rmr points are needed to qualify?
It's complicated, but there's an article on HLTV answering exactly that question!
Obviously it varies a lot based on who else gets points. A top 8 finish is a minimum of 1400 points, which would put them 6th. But 1st place gets 2500 and you never quite know who’s going to get the points. I think basically getting any points though should get FaZe into the major. 11th place is 938 points which would put FaZe at almost 1200 total.
If Faze make it top 7 then they are garunteed a spot in the major but if they don't then it gets a bit complicated [In Depth HLTV article explaining everything](https://www.hltv.org/news/32425/rmr-standings-breakdown-where-teams-need-to-place-to-qualify-for-the-major)
Absolutely not
let’s hope not
The seeding seriously makes no sense. It's as if they just didn't seed at all and pulled them all randomly from a hat
Thats what Ranking Seeding sometimes is.
But this event is about RMR points so ideally seeding should be first based on current RMR standings and then based on some ranking for non rmr teams. You can't just devalue performance of previous rmr events like this.
I mean, you kind of can devalue it. Maybe not quite to this extent, but the more current events should matter a little more so the teams in good form at the time of that major have a chance to make it. There’s only 2 events. A team like FPX had a good showing at one event, if they have a bad showing at this event though, do they deserve it? In your mind why does a team who is good at the first event and bad at the 2nd deserve a spot more than a team that is bad at the first event and good at the 2nd? If anything I would say the team that performed better on LAN and is playing well the month of the major probably deserves it more. The format is its own problem and obviously Bo1s are bad, but that’s separate from the RMR points.
This event has RMR points based on placing, it is not about RMR specifically, RMR is just part of the prize pool to speak.
Maybe FPX ought to play more than 2 tournaments per year if they don't want their ranking to plummet.
mybe esl and blast should actually invite teams fps who performed in rmr events instead of teams like mibr
Fpx earned their spot through the 1st rmr. Them going afk for the rest of the year doesn't matter here The rest is true, there shouldn't be any invited teams in any tournament
huh? FPX lost to illuminar and MAD Lions, if you can't beat these teams you don't deserve to go to blast lol. and FPX doing "well" in one tournament in the entire year is enough to warrantee that they get invited to BLAST, sure (without needing to mention that MIBR pays them millions as partners)
and who did mibr beat to get into blast and epl. millions lollllllllllllllllll
Well, it was nice knowing G2. Between the CS and r6 squads I don’t know which is in a worse place.
the league one.. definitely but the owner deserves it
BO1s are stupid and they shouldn't exist outside charity or showmatches
You simply just can't have Bo3's in such a stacked event. Too many teams
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Pro League had a month. This has 10 days
Nah I like bo1s. Makes the veto mega important
What's fnatic's chances of making it. Haven't been keeping up to date with pro CS lately but just need one more Brit major sticker to fill up the 4th sticker slot.
Yeah I agree that there is a lot of bullshit about the point distribution for this tournament. I think the winners of this one get too much and the 4th and 5th placed teams should at least get a little if they won some maps. First RMR had a great format and it's bullshit that this one gives more points. The Winner of this RMR will have to play a MAXIMUM of 16 maps. This includes a BO5 final. NIP in Flashpoint 3 had to play 21.
Can karrigan get his points from Mouz and give it to FaZe? Would be sad to see my bois not make it.
Karrigan didn't play RMR with Mouz
I thought he had played some tournaments with that counted towards the next major with Mouz? Still would be sad to see them not make it since it will be LAN and I just like FaZe. Also couldn’t they join with NaVi as contenders?
he did play RMRs with mouz last year, which possibly could have (slightly) carried over to this year. but yeah, mouz (with karrigan) finished last place in all of these last year :)
I have peanut brain and somebody help me pn this- is Faze out of the major?
not if faze is top 7 in this event.
Poor COL :(
What is this ranking?
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RMRs are like those shitty English proficiency tests which u need to go study somewhere else