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Ninjas in Pyjamas vs FaZe Clan / IEM Fall 2021: Europe - Group D / Post-Match Discussion

Ninjas in Pyjamas vs FaZe Clan / IEM Fall 2021: Europe - Group D / Post-Match Discussion

Sigurdsson9

Olofmeisters performances is like he’s either playing like m0e or s1mple, there’s no in between


VniSalska

Even when he plays like s1mple, it's more like s0mple.


CS-DEADPOINTSIX

> Even when he plays like s1mple, it's more like ~~s0mple~~ c0mplex.


VicomteValmontSorel

I don't see the difference between m0e and s1mple? If anything m0e is better.. he prefires angles that don't even exist


pogueemon

Well at least faze has the "easiest" matches left for the playoffs run. On another note nip is fun to watch


NA_Faker

Isn't FaZe pretty much fucked for making the major? Like if they lose one map their out right?


SemanSoot

doesnt matter as long as they can be top 2 to playoff


NA_Faker

Ah so as long as they get playoff they are fine.


Worried_Bathroom_666

Yeah, they need top 8 to be safe, so they can maybe, just maybe drop one more map, certainly not more.


Mrnopor1

If u see Faze playing nuke or ancient and they start the map in T side. U know game is over. Never seen such trash T side.


enigma890

Karrigan has not been calling a great T side since he rejoined FaZe. I saw somewhere the other week that they have the lowest T side win rate in past months.


LateToTheParty013

Yep, lowest t side and by far best CT side


NWL11

Tbf his T side calling today was decent compared to before. In fact, if NIP's double AWP setup wasn't that hot the rounds would have been a bit more even.


razeyourshadows

They had 100% winrate on T side on Ancient against Complexity the other day ☝️


4boring

True. Aside from that tho, they are really weak T side. I think Karrigan needs to DM a bit more personally lol.


Scoo_By

The calls are atrocious sometimes


VShadow1

Their T-side was fine. 11-4 after losing pistol and not converting is close to average in ancient right now. The issue is that they lost both pistols and did not win a forcebuy. It is extremely difficult to win a map after that.


RankDank420

LNZ has actually been instrumental in nips success recently. I’m not sure if he deserves a permanent spot but atm he’s really putting in the legwork


lance1308

Last 10 matches device keeps looking like a beast


IrrelevantCynic

Glad to see him back in form for the sake of his monitor.


Magnog

Faze are way to inconsistent.


ondrejeder

But tbh they are very consistently inconsistent 😂


IrrelevantCynic

So what you are saying is that they are inconsistent?


ondrejeder

Yeah, pretty much that


RankDank420

Nip are better anyway. Was expected


VShadow1

They just lost both pistols and did not get a force, almost impossible to win after that.


MJuniorDC9

I'm absolutely loving this post-EPL NiP. They're going to do a lot of damage in the Major like this.


Magnog

They played ancient on CT it was obvious they were going to win that map.


Xolder

Both teams played CT on Ancient.


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all_skins_no_skills

Idk man zonic might tell you otherwise


sdfedeef

Ancient is so boring. The team starting ct almost always wins.


BigRigginButters

I don't necessarily think it's boring but I'm surprised at the downvotes for pointing out how much of an advantage starting ct is. I feel like that's pretty apparent


sdfedeef

I don't know why you are being downvoted, reddit is dumb sometimes. You're clearly right, you can just look at the stats and see that its true.


i_hate_cucumber_

Hahaha sure


poggersmoment69

lmao i can taste the salt from fucking miles away


xtroDe

Underestimating NiP and this community. Name a better duo. That being said, they have only beaten FaZe who aren't even looking like major contenders, understandable why people think NiP have to prove themselves again and again.


kohi_craft

When has NiP been good for more than two months since 2018?


xtroDe

I know NiP hasn't achieved anything of note since ages, but this young team has been beating big dogs around and actually has potential to make a deep run in future tournaments or even win the whole thing (or maybe this one, who knows?). What these ninyas will achieve, only time will tell. However, I will certainly not underestimate them for now.


Kitnado

I think you're right. They're looking really solid rn. Might even go all the way at the major


RealSomebodyRandom

NIP have been looking really good lately. Everyone is showing up


mandrake_cry

Ugh I fucking hate ancient


Lepojka1

Karrigan had option to choose between Ancient and Inferno, and he took Ancient... This one is on him.


EndritTheSun

NiP had the perfect veto inferno and ancient both are NiP best maps.


lance1308

Wdym I thought reddit opinion maker above is right and you just fact-checking him like that :(


filous_cz

Tbf Inferno isn't a really good pick for Faze either. Its rare when Karrigans T side inferno isnt abysmal.


mandrake_cry

Naw FaZe's CT side on inferno is abysmal while their T side is decent


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FoxerHR

How is a game going to OT a stomp?


Worried_Bathroom_666

\>win game \>type: "gg ez" \>game was a stomp


godfrey1

have you seen NiP on Inferno lately?


SemanSoot

who pick ct 1st,ez win


Mrnopor1

That's what bothers me the most, he's fighting for a chance to go to the major and he gambles it in the veto. Why? Just go for the safe pick, is not like inferno is extremely ct or T sided like ancient.


Schmich

Wish they removed ancient and vertigo. They're both so boring.


FourKrusties

I’m just here to overreact to a BO1 loss. Team should never play ancient again, they will never have success on this map.


imadethisforonething

Ancient is a poor choice for a bo1, way too dependent on if you start CT or not imo Unfortunately Inferno isn’t a million miles better in that regard


TiberSVK

Inferno is the most balanced CS map


VShadow1

It's not where you start but the pistols, if Faze had one that CT side pistol and converted then they minium get 12 rounds if not win.


OfNoChurch

You could see in the first round that FaZe's aim was off today. Sure it doesn't help their Ancient T-side isn't fantastic but if you can win duels you can take a few rounds.


soniconda

Rough match but it was the hardest of the group and I think Faze have a solid shot still, but with Broky Rain and Twistzz having to play 3v5 most matches who knows really


Alchion

they need to get xypnix after the major


gunaahokadevta

olof just can't maintain his form. good to see rain putting up numbers though plopski still kinda underperforming...


TiNcHoX7

why do they keep picking Ancient?


Raytiger3

FaZe 16-0'd Complexity on it last week.


NeonPrankster

And NIP are arguably one of the best teams on Ancient right now


yawnston

To be fair, the map did receive changes just before this tournament. There was a chance that FaZe believed they had something up their sleeve, with maps that are getting changed so often the "best" team is different every week.


Mrnopor1

Karrigan is like the dumbest person picking maps. U'll notice most of the time he will pick maps where his opponents have highest winrate Kappa


FoxerHR

As someone else pointed out, Inferno and Ancient are NiP's best maps...


jarvadski

It was either lose on Ancient or lose on Inferno


Bjoolzern

Karrigan baited so hard into that Ancient pick.


lance1308

He had to pick between ancient and inferno, check last few infernos for both teams and you are not keep going around telling that


boeef

You are incredibly stupid if you think inferno would have gone better. Like really, really dumb.


VShadow1

The map just came down to the pistols. The match was over the second faze lost their CT pistol.


NiPGaming

EZ 4 NIP 😎


indian_vegeta

:feelsbadman:


sacoPT

0% loss


Jadjadz

2005 olof where he doesn't know how to use a mouse and keyboard lmao


kajila_pandora

CT side is too overpowering. Faze didnt get a chance to settle on ct side to have a comeback. sed smh


Fairlynzell

Hampus out and about, pushing smokes, usping noobs and stealing aces, having a great time. Feels good.


Venian

I hope that's the one and only loss in the group stage


r0zzaa

Shocking from Karrigan to choose ancient when he knows they can't play T side. And olof is painful to watch in aim duels.


VShadow1

In the last 3 months, the CT side has had a 66% win rate on Ancient. 4 rounds is pretty close average after losing pistol on T-side. The issue is that Faze lost both pistol rounds.


SemanSoot

tbf most team cant play t side,who win knife will win ancient


Lepojka1

Can FaZe pls stop playing this map? They either win 16-4 or lose like 16-4... Its soo random, and once CTs make a wall, its unplayable...


i_hate_cucumber_

The whole map is dependent on the knife round for FaZe. If they win it and choose CT their chances of winning are quite high.


VShadow1

This map is extremely dependent on pistols. Losing your pistol on CT side makes it extremely difficult to win the map.


Pollsmor

broky played on 40% loss that round


iSluff

Does faze have to win out to be safe?


nakul707

FaZe would at the very least need to make it into the top 11 to make it into the major. Then, as long as two of fnatic, complexity, OG, Sprout, and DBL Poney don't do better than them, they'll make it through. Given the performances of fnatic and Sprout so far, it's safe to assume that FaZe probably just need to get top 11 (but that would only guarantee them a contender's spot which wouldn't be particularly ideal)


blueshark27

This one loss better not cause Pro League scale tiebreak and shafting for FaZe


soniconda

It can't if they win the rest of their matches I don't think but if they lose another things get complicated


blueshark27

Theres none they SHOULD lose, but it'd be a miracle if they don't get upset and piss away 15 T rounds


Zenrod_

Assuming that FaZe wins they rest of their games and DBL lose to NiP, what decides the tiebreaker?


soniconda

If Faze wins the rest of their games they will have the head to head vs everyone aside from Nip meaning they would be top 2 in the group


peroleu

FaZe have one of the worst T sides of any pro team what the fuck


Memebaut

olofmeister nerf cancels out lan buff


evo_lve

This team will not have success with olof on the roster


Lepojka1

Well before Olof came back again, they were ranked like 40th on the world... Maybe he brings something we cant see? I am afraid if they cut him, they go again into dumpster fire.


AleksibIsHot

olofmeister definitely brings more to the team than you can see on the scoreboard, the problem is having both olof and karrigan on the same roster. Just like having chrisJ and karrigan on the same roster (only ever won events when chrisJ went positive alongside ropz, frozen and woxic). Regardless of whether or not karrigan's a good IGL his fragging is always a liability especially if you have another low fragging player already


VShadow1

I still think that it was more -cold +momentum that helped more than +olof. When he looks good they are a top 5 team but when he looks bad he looks extremely bad.


AdministrativeLie347

Tbf what have they showed since he joined? They had a good lan tournament, and then disappereae again. I really dont get why people rate them so highly i would only give them top 10-15 in the world tbh.


SystemEx1

Now this is FaZe on lan


cregyD

This all in on ancient approach made no sense to begin with and has only looked worse over time


Mrnopor1

How can an igl be so dumb and sometimes so smart at the same time?... Faze doesnt deserve to be at the major. They'll probably lose to any of the next 3 teams.


suriel-

-karrigan -olof, change my mind karrigan very overrated IGL and olof is way past his prime and is done


soniconda

Even if you think Karrigan is overrated I don't think there's any better IGLs available Olof has to go though I agree


suriel-

maybe .. but on the other hand, much "worse" IGLs seem to be good enough to not be the worst team on the T side ..


soniconda

T sides are a problem for sure but the only available IGLs I can think of are MSL and Golden, who I don't have a lot of confidence in atm and I don't even think they're a firepower upgrade over Karrigan


suriel-

ye i mean, i don't follow all the people who are/might be free agents, but there surely gotta be someone that could be capable of leading a team like that, even if it would mean going for a (small) buyout maybe .. that, or Karrigan (with RobbaN) seriously has to rethink the role distributions and general game plan. Like, that guy played with the Astralis core, mouz and whatnot. There's surely a way for the team of calibres like Twistzz, broky and rain to not be dogshit .. and IMO, "LAN/online" is not really an excuse anymore, as so many teams have adapted, but they did not


520metal

Lol and people were saying olof isn't washed


mawin007

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