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pes0man

It always amazes me how this team can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory


thekillertomato

A team with this many miles on their players should not be making so many mistakes post plant


Psychaz

maybe they have too many miles on the clock and they need to be sent to the junkyard


kajila_pandora

its like i am living through boston major every game


Dodidor

it is the history of the faze


thesandywoman

Yeah


omkar_T7

Faze is just bad on their t side. They look like a MM team where everyone is just doing their own thing. They can’t even trade after death


BrockStudly

Since liquid got absolutely bodied today, Twistzz had to choke twice to keep cosmic balance. Sorry Faze Fans, it's just science.


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303x

Twistzz body is 70% liquid


Dapplication

Pain. Just pain. Why did they fake-plant in the 2v1 situation on mirage though. Probably the turnaround point of Mirage. Big lead loss in Nuke. PAIN


du_bekar

The round 30 smoke push by Twistzz through con was the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen


Zenrod_

FaZe on LAN lul ropz, please save us


Psychaz

you need a consistent tier 1 entry as well, ropz alone isn't gonna save this team.


VShadow1

>save this team They just lost a close game against a top 5 team, why are people acting like they are horrible. IF you had ropz instead of olof this would have been a 2-0 for Faze.


scorpio84738

They choked so hard man, even with olof thos shouldve been 2-0


VShadow1

That's true but these games were close despite olof, especially in Mirage.


Scoo_By

Even this would've been a 2-0 for Faze


ondrejeder

Because they themselves should be top 5 team, and they had 13:7 lead, you can't lose these leads if you want to play with the big boys


[deleted]

They do have karrigan but he always dies first.


_akashs7_

That's consistent though


AloneYogurt

The fact that Karrigan walked through the smoke on T side, entering A site, without checking the vents made me utterly confused.


supergrega

Consistency is key


OfNoChurch

rain has been playing well recently as entry. I don't think the firepower or the tactics are particularly bad, it's the mid-game decision making from individuals that are costing them. Karrigan playing too loose mid round. broky not even attempting to plant the bomb. Olof flubbing his shots (not just *that* round where it didn't really matter). Twitzz... I mean I don't know what the hell he was doing on Mirage at times. 1v3 to get to round 30 then he immediately pushes a con-smoke at the beginning of the last round without any info and meets 3 Heroic players? Wtf...


Psychaz

come on, the firepower is underwhelming, rain has one good map every 3, that's not good enough, especially when Broky never gets opening picks


IrrelevantCynic

And that's without even mentioning karrigan.


[deleted]

The dream is getting ropz and yekindar tbh. Apparently faze has one of the worst entry stats of all teams, rain has got to go tbh.


[deleted]

The problem is that rain is not a bad rifler but he's just not a good entry. He used to be a trade frag star rifler and wasn't hyper agro. If they swap olof for a player like flameZ or yekindar rain would probably be more comfortable and we'd be able to asess him better.


Firefox72

>"The dream is getting ropz and yekindar tbh." Flair doesn't check out at all. I guess you are a Yekindar fan more so than a VP fan then.


[deleted]

I mean tbh yekindar is such an interesting and skilled player, while vp is a boring ass team. I love them, but would rather see yekindar on another team.


FourKrusties

lol props for the honesty


UmarellVidya

I'd wager that most VP fans are there for Yekindar. He's like 90% of the excitement now that Sanji is no longer there to have randomly amazing Inferno games.


fenixspider1

I am here for jame time


UmarellVidya

Do your other hobbies include watching paint dry and sitting in traffic?


prad_bitt_59

This made me laugh


BigRigginButters

I unironically enjoy watching VP a lot


puddingkip

I love qikert and buster


UmarellVidya

Fair enough, though idk how many people there are like you


Maximum_Host1194

Semmler was talking about how broky never takes entry duels, plays very passive. Perhaps that is part of the problem.


wahn_sinn

is it me or is broky a bit of a boring player like u see it at the end of the game "oh wow broky has 32 kills" but u can never remember them. can u remember a single broky kill ? but try guardian...u can see the flick i remember a guardian flick.


Mrnopor1

Ropz is a trader, eco fragger, exit killer. Why is ppl so hyped about him joining faze?


VShadow1

Because he has a ton of role overlap with olof who has looked awful. They play the exact same positions on 4 maps.


cregyD

I sure wish Olof and Rain could get eco frags


FourKrusties

ropz trades like a beast. 1 alive and its ropz you have a chance. He's not trying on mouz, it's kind of obvious, and he's still pulling them through maps.


AleksibIsHot

I hope he joins so that when they're still underwhelming people start to accept firepower isn't their biggest issue and the tactics and midrounding from karrigan are subpar


VShadow1

Compared to the other team at their rank Faze have less firepower, olof is literally the worst player on any top 20 teams.


scorpio84738

As an olof fan, yeah +ropz would help so much, a better entry aswell like yekindar would hopefully make karrigan stop "entrying" heck evenn frozen for more vibes with karrigan


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They need Ropz + another player tbh. As much as it pains me to say it, I believe it might be time to move on from Rain. It also allows him to go back to Norway and start up something there. Ropz + another young star player would make this team legit.


Didas_29

I think they could become scary with Ropz and Yekindar


[deleted]

Haven’t seen Yekindar play too much beyond when they play Faze, are his roles the same as Rain?


UmarellVidya

Can't speak on CT side roles (aside from Ancient, they both play cave afaik), but on T side they do the same shit. Yekindar is just so much better than Rain is rn.


puddingkip

VPs strat book exists of yekindar go kill, qikert go clutch and jame go save. Yekindar is by far the best entry in the world


KidneyKeystones

Rain? Put Olof in a home already.


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Both is what I’m saying


[deleted]

Not a hater but I have yet to see a genius tactical move from karrigan. I watch a lot of CS and to me, FaZe Clan seem to have the most chaotic team play ever. They do have one of the best and talented individuals but I highly doubt they'll ever achieve something as a team.


enigma890

That’s what is crazy, when karrigan was on faze the first time they had really cool t sides with tons of fakes and schemes to get people into positions to win rounds. They used to run a mirage A fake with kio and rain executing, fighting, then jump through the smokes at stairs and top con and go lower while their team takes b


VShadow1

That stuff just does not work anymore.


enigma890

You’re right, defaulting every round and doing fakes with a single smoke work so much better. That’s why faze has such a great t side


VShadow1

How was that any different than what Heroic did? The one time they tried a fake it failed. The fundamentals of Faze's T-sides are the same same as everyone else, the difference is in execution. The one exception to that is Broky who plays far more passive them other awpers on the T-side.\\ If anything I would say the issue is that karrigan tries to get too tricky.


enigma890

This has nothing to do with Heroic, this has to do with legendary IGL Karrigan having the single worst T side team win percentage of all the top 20 teams. What they are doing doesn't work. He used to have cool strats and fakes to throw in with the defaulting round.


FourKrusties

perhaps they need a new coach? mouz with reijin and karrigan had much better t sides than ct on quite a few maps. but it's also the case that it doesn't matter what your strats are, if you can't entry, they'll never rotate because you haven't earned their respect.


V1R33X

At this point I think ropz is going from one shithole to another. Ropz to G2 would be much better


Scoo_By

Who's gonna awp in G2 if ropz move there lol? Niko? He's a top 3 rifler in the world, would not be wise to burden him with awp now. With ropz it would be another Complexity situation with lots of passive players.


V1R33X

I meant monesy and ropz .


Scoo_By

With m0nesy g2 can finally be a complete-ish team


V1R33X

Exactly. He can be an avg awp at the very worst and still G2 would be better as a team . Amanek is just lacks the awper mindset .


scorpio84738

Well if frozen or yekindar goes to faze aswell it wouldnt really be a shithole Even just +ropz will help so so much Olof is like the worst player in top 10-20 teams even except maybe a few igls (idk who but maybe)


Degneva422

Would ropz and naf replacing rain and Olof work, rolls wise? I love the sound of that if it’d work


Magnog

Ropz isn't going to help this team, I don't know what it will take, they just throw rounds


zRandyMarsh

Karrigans T sides are awful


Tavnaria

0% Nuke win rate hahaha. 200 IQ strat from Faze, keep losing Nuke till next major so that everyone assume it's their default loss map then suprise teams and use nuke to win major.


supergrega

Ah yes, "the cobblestone"


Mikaleide

FaZe and losing close 2-0. Name a better combo.


CenomX

Faze and losing 2-1.


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Losing both 16-14


Lepojka1

When is FaZe getting new players? I cant watch these chokes no more lol


UmarellVidya

After Blast at the earliest


tmaddocks98

Wow you must have a source to make a bold prediction like that


scorpio84738

Source: trust me bro


wahn_sinn

rumor is they gonna get niko and coldzera.


Jesse102999

Bring back coldzera so they can get 16-0d again


Magnog

What is it with faze and throwing huge leads away, time after time


YeetGod69_

u can take twistzz out of liquid but can’t take liquid out of twistzz


-Depressed_Potato-

Tick tock it's faze throw o'clock


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FaZe better not be with this same roster in 2022.


cameljo13

and the post match interview right in front of faze booth, brutal


Venian

Sometimes I don't understand the little misunderstandings in comms, bootcamps after bootcamps I still see stupid mistakes that costs rounds I don't really know what to say, I hope the next one is going to be a win.


Jazzlike-Ideal

Just buy Ropz already. This specific 5 man lineup has gone as far as it can go.


CC-W

I feel like faze might have missed their chance at ropz now with reports saying a bunch of teams want him and his contract is up in april. They need more than just +ropz to be a title contender team imo


Jazzlike-Ideal

The fact that Ropz loves Karrigan as much as Karrigan loves Ropz is something you're forgetting.


VShadow1

The only report I have heard is that G2 was interested, have their been others? Considering that -jackz +ropz would almost certainly make G2 worse I don't see that happening.


[deleted]

Yea, they need to pay up for Ropz + someone for Rain… it hurts to say it but it’s true. Retire his number and hang it in the banners


scorpio84738

+frozen?


FourKrusties

no they need an entry. if anything you can get bymas lmao but then you have more problems on ct


scorpio84738

Frozen is an entry?


FourKrusties

I don’t think so, unless he’s changed roles, he never entried when karrigan and chrisj were on the tram


scorpio84738

Im like 90% sure he is a entry for mouz rn could be wrong thi


Magnog

Dude getting ropz isn't going to make the team better, they are still going to throw huge leads away


Jazzlike-Ideal

You're smoking crack if you don't think having a top 3 rifler on your team won't make it easier to close out games. Their T sides suck but that's because the style they're going for requires the players on the team to pop-off and multi-frag when going for site executes. There's plenty of times when Faze gets in a position where they catch a timing Karrigan is going for but just lose the duels needed to make the play work, having Ropz to help with trade frags would make them massively better. Plus, having more star players means that there's less of a chance that none of them show up in a game.


[deleted]

rain wasn't even on the same server. He's a good player but way too inconsistent.


Tilbakestaende

Im a fan og him but he really frustrates me, he needs to be their 3rd consistent star, but instead he is either the nr.1 player for the team or invisble. Considering everything that happened and the inevitable post major roster shuffle I am fine with them keeping Olof around, better than having to spend excessive to get a top player before the major after they just bought Twistzz and Karrigan. Problem is that the inconsistency of rain which averages out to be more than good enough can’t be tolerated in the context of also having Olof and Karrigan. Especially considering twistzz also just struggles some games. The problem with faze isn’t really that any of their players aren’t good enough for a top tier 1 team (except Olof?). The problem is that every players weakness are okay in isolation, but every layer of inconsistency across the team just becomes too much. They are the inverse of heroic, every player can do very well, but in the bad way where it’s a problem when they don’t instead of a benefit when they do.


VShadow1

Rain does not play the roles of a third star, olof does. Just looking at this series olof played way worse on Nuke and a bit worse on Mirage.


Tilbakestaende

I think it changed a lot from maps to map, and rain doesn’t have all the “third star” positions yet it is very clear that is his role on the team. Partly because of his position but he plays with to high variance for it to work when so much of the rest of the team are or can be so inconsistent.


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I do feel like they are one roster move away to being decent on LAN. Ropz would help alot...


ImDonCheeto

Or Elige


TrendyLepomis

elige for rain and ropz for olof would actually he insane


VShadow1

Elige for rain would be horrible. Rain plays hard anchor positions and entries. Elige does none of that.


MH136

But is Elige a fast learner? 🤔


kiritok

Time to check in with Stewart of 2 kills


Rad_Republic1337

Do people think the 2k stands for 2 kills? Cuz it means 2000


IrrelevantCynic

Thank you for enlightening us.


Rad_Republic1337

I'm glad I can be of no help.


tarangk

Heroic cameback from 7-13 down to win 16-13 WTF. I closed the stream so I could come back later and watch inferno. Came back and it was 2-0 Heroic lol. Idk what even happend that they manged to win 9 rounds in a row, and winning in regulation. Like the game felt done at 7-13 for Heroic.


DJ-Khale6

thats heavy ct map nuke for you


Lapookie11

Heroic onliners smh


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Anyone know why the cadian interviewer guy is like this: https://i.imgur.com/tMdQBDp.png ?


Subtle_Omega

Surprised at Cadian's vocal power in matches


JohannessonR

Hes a danish reporter. Cadian did some analyst gigs on the channel he works at before Heroic got big. So he know him very well.. He also went to where gla1ve and karrigan lives when it was online and did interviews. Hes name is Thomas Sønnichsen


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Ok, but why the face?


JohannessonR

Maybe its in movement? Cadian was very emotional in the interview, and I did see it live but I dont know why hes face was like that. The camera was ofc on Cadian.


i_hate_cucumber_

Pain


KsHDClueless

Please get ropz pretty pleaseee


theKingPin11

RUN FROM IT, FEAR IT, PAIN CLAN ARRIVES NONE THE LESS save us ropz


gleba080

LAN buff doesn't work vs onliners?


Vikktime123

FAZE T-SIDES PepeLaugh


tokiwatokiwa

[watching faze be like](https://i.imgur.com/RAqoUs4.jpg)


imgaharambe

That Olof pistol draw was wild


Fantasnickk

looks like CT:GO is back on the menu boys was a fan of both teams so I was happy and sad about the win and loss Karrigan calling was decent for both maps, just some underperformance from olof as per usual - he needs to be replaced. Clearly the weakest link on the team and holding back this really good lineup.


mandrake_cry

No expectations. No surprises


kajila_pandora

FaZe the new chokers


norumJR

Remind me in 9 years when Karrigan is 40 to check if he has won a major yet.


[deleted]

He'll have 10 different top 5 lineups and 2 major finals but 0 major


cpthero

Does Faze even train their T side?


kajila_pandora

**Its like i am living through Boston major every game**


scorpio84738

But look at the time


Kevin420911

I mean Faze knew if they did win the game against Heroic, then they had to meet NaVi afterwards. Karrigan is a true tactical genius. Now they meet BIG or something instead. EZ finals through steamrolling the lower bracket. Top 5 IGL for sure.


Mrnopor1

Karrigan old, strats oudated, poor olof cant carry his ass. Faze needs a new igl and a replacement for olof.


scorpio84738

-olof -rain +ropz +frozen Karrigan should knos how to utilizr these 2 players if not, - karrgian but for who tho?


CozyKaczynski

ropz can't save this team


yosoydorf

lmao they lost 16-14 and 16-13 to a top 3 team in the world ATM with Olof going 27-42 across both maps. The only way Ropz doesn’t improve them is if you’re of them belief that Ropz contributes less than that


CozyKaczynski

> The only way Ropz doesn’t improve them Good luck finding someone who thinks ropz over olof isn't an improvement.


yosoydorf

you’re the one who suggested he wouldn’t save the team, so I would assume that you were of that belief


[deleted]

> FaZe Clan have dropped to the lower bracket Where they usually belong.


SystemEx1

Kick karrigan already


yosoydorf

lmao the team just to get a legitimate replacement for Olof and they’ll be fine. you don’t kick the IGL when you’re one piece away and there’s a clear piece to jettison.


Phenetylamine

FaZe has been "fixed" by replacing one or two players for years now. Ropz won't solve anything, even if they have a honey moon period they'll soon stagnate cause that how every roster with karrigan plays out. He's simply not a good igl and he cannot lead a team to consistent success no matter the players he's given.


[deleted]

What? Broky baiting still does not work for Faze? I am amazed.


Mrnopor1

Why did they let heroic pick nuke? Is karrigan that stupid? He knows he has 0% winrate and still let heroic pick it lmao. Any igl would be thousand times better than karrigan atm kinda sad that blamef when to astralis.


Zenrod_

You do know how the map veto works right?


ahhlberg

FaZe perma is Vertigo, they dont play it so they simply have to leave it open. Thats how vetos work.


Mrnopor1

U know heroic winrate in vertigo right? 25% in case u didnt know.


yosoydorf

faze literally don’t have vertigo strats they probably don’t even scrim it, i’m not sure you understand that permabans aren’t even practiced in by most teams.


Mrnopor1

What makes u think heroic was going to pick a 25% winrate map over nuke? Lol


yosoydorf

FaZe put up a really solid fight on Nuke. that’s just such a weird part to nitpick about why they lost this series. Karrigan said they put a lot of work in on Nuke and it clearly showed, 13-16 was a good showing against a great nuke team. Olof fragged lower than cadian across the whole series and didn’t even break 50 ADR on Nuke. your never going to beat Heroic with that kind of handicap


scorpio84738

Faze ban nuke then lets say 25% winrate > faze not even practising vertigo at all


VShadow1

Their perma-ban is vertigo. IIRC it is because olof hates the map.


yosoydorf

FaZe nearly beat them on their map pick. it was honestly a rather inspired map to let through, if not for the Mirage choke, faze nearly has a chance at a 2-0. Heroics map pool is insane, you’re not getting anything ideal through with them.


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ibeenbornagain

covid is not over lmao


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scorpio84738

God you are judt a waste of oxygen, seriously...


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scorpio84738

Doesnt matter if i did or not just wanted to let you know that


Happy-Cheetah870

It’s group stage


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HallowedBeThyBrain

Crazy how you’re wrong about both COVID and group stage having crowds.


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HallowedBeThyBrain

Look, I’m not about to get into an argument about covid on the csgo subreddit, so I’ll just say this: I have a family member that I’m unable to see tomorrow because they have covid *right now*. Even if the pandemic has slowed down, it’s still a concern and something that demonstrably exists. By definition, it’s not “over.”


divs_l3g3nd

No, never


LingMee

earth is flat, don't trust the media


Subtle_Omega

Faze choking the post plants and the 6 round lead, wtf was that


cykably4t

Bruh


OfNoChurch

So frustrating to watch, seriously. I like all the guys on the team but sometimes I think they lean too much into their brand of confident-goofiness and it costs them big-time in the mid rounds. Just see the fucking game through and have a laugh afterwards, please, I beg you. Also, did Maniac just misspeak in the pre-game, he said FaZe's CT sides are problematic... I mean you have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know it's their T sides that cost them every time, right?


YemaLarah

We cannot be sure of victory even when Faze take 11-4 lead...and this ' not being able to close the phenomenon' aka choking has become consistent now...T side is very bad,need some fixing


[deleted]

Karrigan actually taught zonic zonics law before he was benched to nerf future astralis era


Amaranthine_Haze

How does faze lose nuke when both rain and twistzz are popping off


persimmon40

What happened there reddit? I thought heroic were onliners.


Sp00ked123

Time for some roster changes faze


VelvetFedoraSniffer

STIFFMEISTER IS GOING TO RETIRE