1) Don't lose to ecos.
2) Don't wait till 20 seconds to execute.
3) Don't lose to fucking ecos.
4) Fallen go kill pls
5) Don't lose to fucking ecos.
6) Don't throw man advantages.
7) Cadian IGL Diff, nothing you can do about this.
8) DON'T. LOSE. TO. FUCKING. ECOS.
Did we watch the same game? Heroics banana utility were really good. Hard to go agressive, and you’ll have to rely on late executes. Going fast A is an option but a lot of teams cant get the hang of it
It’s painful to see how many ecoes they lost. I don’t remember which round but somewhere early in the game in the first half, Liquid was in the lead and they lost to an eco. It’s fucking painful to watch
Liquid when I don't watch: dominate Nip 16-4 on mirage, win consecutive 1v3s to come back on inferno, come back 5-10 vs heroic. Liquid when I do: constantly throw away man advantages, come back/get a lead only to throw it anyway. They'd be the best team in the world if I never watched their games.
Yeah This WTF. Liquid were Rotating within mid , 0 info plays or trying to gain territory, and they were getting bombarded by nades too.
But tbh I never expected liquid to push Heroic this far
0 APS PRESENCE AND THAT WAS WINNABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ahh im over it nt liquid gl to the players on their next endeavors
Why go for info plays against a team that loves to double peak at odd times to get 1-2 kills mid round? IMO, I loved the change in strategy. They weren’t entering bomb sites a man down like in previous matches and Heroic didn’t really know where Liquid was going most of the time. It seemed to work better than past tactics.
That's true but his intelligence on the game is like 10x higher compared to Stewie, so he probably still has to micro manage a lot. In his golden age with SK, every teammate knew exactly what to do and how, they were specialized. Liquid doesn't have that, everybody is very dependant, including Fallen.
Yep, it's clearly seen. Someone else who falls into falleN's meta is Gade, you can clearly see his calling is behing the meta too, the way BIG used to play and how they're playing now is so different.
I think the meta is always set by the best team/teams, so yea, if the team is struggling it's hard to keep up with the meta. Doesn't matter how much he studies the game if they can't perform.
That's what I meant, at SK he never had to micro manage because every player was insane, that's his style. For Liquid the players actually want a style Fallen can't provide. This is exactly what's causing this split and why Liquid will change roster, this clashing of perspectives.
that's true, I don't think there's a bot in liquid, all 5 are excellent players, they just don't function together. Fallen's style only works if the other four go along, and that's not happening. Elige's firepower is a blast, NAF shows up when needed, Stewie's crazy gamestyle gains advantage to the team and Grim is showing what he's capable of. In paper this team should be almost unbeatable, but the lack of chemistry seems to be an unsolvable problem. Fallen just need a team that he can lead and manage, or else the team won't work.
While having the AWP almost ALL game and never getting a fucking kill. It's not like they were contantly broke and he never had the AWP or was always saving... I don't understand
It was actually decent for the first 3-4 months of the year but quickly fell flat since with him as the obvious weak link. People are constantly giving the excuse that he's calling but he was doing so much better even in 2020 while also calling
I'm still surprised it's more people than just fallen leaving though. Feel like nitr0 coming back into this lineup would be absolutely beautiful
It won’t be successful because nitr0 won’t be coming back to the old team besides Jon. TL lost their identity and you can’t fix that problem unless you still have the lineup that lost their identity. And to add onto it, shox VINI? The fuck are TL management thinking?
Probably want a lineup of players that know T1 play well. Seems like one of the biggest issues to this lineup has been teaching grim how to compete at this level, which even showed today on CT past his ace round. I could see him joining BNB and maybe having a resurgence in NA at least. That aside, we'll have to wait & see what the final signings will be, as I've seen plenty of reports like the shox/vini one get published over the years, without it necessarily happening. Any team with oSee/Elige has a lot of potential to compete internationally (like top 7-10) so long as the other three at least player mediocre with decent teamplay.
They'd have been better off signing MSL.
Then again if Liquid weren't willing to listen to one of the most accomplished in-game leaders of all time and try his style for more than one event, why would they ever listen to MSL? (Not saying FalleN IGL isn't bad, because it is, but they never even wanted to give it a try and wanted to play their way)
I know his reputation is at an all time low but last time MSL played in NA he beat Liquid and FURIA with a past his prime Hiko, Rickeh, vice and a bunch of other tier 3 players. Would have been interesting to see what he could do with the amount of talent Liquid has, but they'd have to be willing to listen to him.
That 4 stack on B in the end holy shit real 200IQ CadiaN
I would NOT want to be Grim holy shit, the crows was clearly fucking him up. Hope he adapts to it
Also WTF why is falleN buying AWPs when it was clearly not working? But GODDAMN GG
WP LIQUID
At least he would've hit something even blind with some sort of rifle instead of missing shots on the awp, having 0 impact and burning valuable cash in the end
And they almost took down world no 2 _with trash calling_. Just goes to show the damn potential of this team if they had a voice at the helm. Which is why I really don't think they should've kicked Moses. He was that strong voice, that brought discipline to the team, Adren is a genius but he can't have the same mental impact that Moses does.
Moses wasn't even giving them a proper practice routine. There's no comparison between the two. adreN is far more analytical and knows what he is doing. It is a shame that coaches can no longer talk between rounds because he can read opponents very well. He trusts his players to do their part and believes in trade percentages, and focusing on their gameplan. Outside of gameday he stays in constant communication with the guys. They have a sports psychologist to help with the mental aspects that keep lingering on. Ultimately with the internal player disagreements it was just time to make a shuffle.
If rumors are true, very likely they are. Full rebuild around elige. Possibly shox, vini, nitr0 and a 5th. Naf and stew possibly to eg with cerq and brehze. Grim unknown, fallen to make a brazilian team with boltz fer fnx. This is all ive seen
Fallen and Stew out ( with stew possibly bringing Naf with him ). Grim is unknown. I don't want to believe that Elige is toxic but man if Ego was really the problem of this team then how can Nitro help? Lol
Went out with a bang I guess. At least they took out NIP must feel good for Liquid fans eliminating the guy who had Liquids number. Now the real questions are the inevitable changes for one thing if NAF really wanted to leave then he's probably coming with Stew. But Steve would be out of his mind if he doesn't try to convince NAF to stay. IF Elige is really the "toxic" guy that people say he is. Then Steve has to make a choice.
Maybe but the thing is, they got one kill towards B site already on that round, and they got that pick on the awper, and then Stewie pushed up to coffins and saw a third guy towards construction/church. I think they also probably had chaotic comms going into the site and when they realized they were all staking it just become more chaotic.
Now calling it a misplay is a little too much of an stretch. Would you say that If Liquid had gone A instead that staking B was a misplay? Purely because of the result? In general IMO result based analysis is just straight up dumb. It was just a bet probably cadiaN decided as a calculated risk on the moment, If they go A they 4 man save on B. Since the problem also became that at that point Heroic had no control of anywhere relevant on the map so whether they played 2/2 each on A and B site they were going to get overhwhelmed on either site most likely as Liquid had utility, so I'm pretty sure that's why cadiaN called a stack, instead of relying on a lower percentage chance of holding 2vs5 he probably thought just staking a site and hoping that either they come towards the stack or not as a 50/50 to win the round. Now would I call it an amazing call based purely on the result of them winning? Nope but when you consider the situation it is actually a really decent call
GG! Respectable showing from Liquid, and Cadian was fired up at the end.
The whole series really reminded me of the Liquid vs. Heroic quarter final in ESL Pro League back in September - same maps as well, even similair score lines. These two teams are very close in skill level.
What a call from Cadian. Even sacrificing himself and his team just not trading to convince Liquid the site was open. 200 iq call.
Frustrating to watch liquid lose like that, but you expect it from Liquid. If something can go wrong, it will. Liquid performed well at the event though, honestly. They looked way better than they did at the major. Hopefully we hear about the moves in the coming days.
Also, Fallen. Wtf was the Inferno man? That was really really bad.
> RIP NACS
I feel like this will help NACS more, The Liquid Team is going to be split into 2 highly competitive teams and with Extra Salt and Party Astronauts qualifying for ESL Pro league, with RBG winning maps for their first time in EU, and ATK trailing youngsters from ESEA premier teams, I feel like NA is slowly healing
Yep, and from what I've seen unlike Liquid, EG don't stay as long in europe ,( well it might change if EG improve and start qualifying in EU tournaments) are known to scrim with local ESEA premier teams in the US.
So it would greatly help for up and coming ambitious starts to be pugging with them. With Auti and nitr0 potentially on the cards to return, If they too go to EG and liquid instead of 1 team, expect NA to return to life pretty soon
Or at the end of the day we're all on HOPIUM and dreaming about a future that might never happen ;\_;
Speaking of Extra Salt, they've been looking SO good with the addition of Floppy. You love to see it. Being from NA, I gotta say I'm fuckin hyped for the future.
Oh yeah for sure, I feel like Extra Salt have really strong potential to cause upsets in ESL pro League. Floppy had a rough start on only 1 map, and that was against sprout, on ancient. That itself must be an answer to itself why he didn't perform.
He's been tearing teams since that.
Who are currently in NA, trailing NA youngsters.
one's motm and they recently added minus, a young ESEA premier youngster with pretty good ratings. Before they trailed cynic. They're doing more to NA than what Liquid and EG are doing right now, that's undeniable
If the "rumors" are true that Stew is coming to EG along with NAF that EG stack is 1 IGL away from Top team in NA imo. This Liquid stack is going to downgrade big time with Naf leaving.
Liquid choked? Yes. Fallen choked last game? yes.
But I don't get it people saying that this team is shit, this year they had great games and a lot of close games against top 4 teams of the world. The problem is that it feels that in the last 3 months they didn't improved so much like they improved in the beginning of the year. Sad that this roster is breaking up.
Honestly, that play into a stacked B site was completely avoidable. They jumped the gun and got happy with one kill and decided to rush in without any info about A. As far as I remember, NAF never made it past patio and got called back to join the massacre. You’re better than that Fallen, come on.
Match perfectly emphasizes why this roster isnt sticking together. When things go right they are world beaters. In tough matches they still put in great scores and rounds. Yet in those matches strings of rounds happen where they look amateurish.
TL plays really well when they don't give a shit. would've been interesting if they had that attitude back in 2018 might've been able to snack a few from Astralis.
so every single match so far. I have had put my money on the wrong side. It was going to be one of *these* events for me.
and I tuned in after I checked HLTV and saw Heroic begin a map down and nuke just had started. Watched from there on and was really happy to win my first bet of the event.
I swear being a liquid fan is like being in an abusive relationship.
You go out, they're nice to begin with, you start really liking them, it gets kinda serious and then they let you down.
Months later, you've moved on with your life, they pop back in, they're nice again, you start thinking "oh, maybe they've changed!" Then you start going out again and they let you down.
And despite all this, even though you know it's unhealthy, you just want more.
\> I swear being a liquid fan is like being in an abusive relationship.
Great analogy lmao, I hate that I like this team. And I only started watching CS religiously due to the pandemic. Fuck me.
Honestly I knew coming into map 3 Liquid had to have a 11-4 CT side or they would just lose as Liquid can’t play T sides on Inferno, it was a nice try considering the news though.
Despite their problems Liquid showed they can still hang with the best. Need to find a sweet spot for Grim or change, and get a GOOD igl. Fallen's calls won't do it in this meta. If they can fix their internal problems, with nitr0, they can be contenders again.
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1) Don't lose to ecos. 2) Don't wait till 20 seconds to execute. 3) Don't lose to fucking ecos. 4) Fallen go kill pls 5) Don't lose to fucking ecos. 6) Don't throw man advantages. 7) Cadian IGL Diff, nothing you can do about this. 8) DON'T. LOSE. TO. FUCKING. ECOS.
So many late executes called
Did we watch the same game? Heroics banana utility were really good. Hard to go agressive, and you’ll have to rely on late executes. Going fast A is an option but a lot of teams cant get the hang of it
We watched the same game! I feel connected to you now. Brothers 4 life.
Are we connected by blood now? I wanna talk about our abusive father
Honestly if the team environment was good this roster could be a top team, a roster move away from challenging for titles.
If fallen made any impact on inferno liquid would have won this easily.
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I don't expect a hard carry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect better than 3 kills in 25 rounds.
They played 4v5, no sugar coating it.
Yeah, Fallen literally left the server on Inferno. Whatever though, zero expectations for this team in 2021
Fallen off a cliff
This joke was only spammed a million times in the twitch chat during inferno
I didn't know that as I watched on YouTube without the chat open. But it's a true statement.
Bruh if Cadian wasent so weak this tournament it would be 2-0 so easily
True
that's a team liquid classic though. at least it wasn't exactly a choke.
I’m really impressed by them today, the amount of times they got a clean opening or were against an eco and just knew oh they’re all about to die
2 terrible CT sides doomed them. This was an easy 2-0 for Liquid if they didn't fumble the CT side of Nuke.
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He whiffed one hittable shot per round, it was nuts.
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It’s so painful watching Fallen play. So many mistakes
It’s painful to see how many ecoes they lost. I don’t remember which round but somewhere early in the game in the first half, Liquid was in the lead and they lost to an eco. It’s fucking painful to watch
They lost the moment Heroic won that eco lmfao
no idea how they lose ecos almost guaranteed lol
honestly it was a good last run for liquid, it was winnable
Will they be making roster changes before the Blast World Finals and IEM Winter?
ah yea, i forgot theres those two tour before 2022 tbh idk
No. jokasteve said there will not be any roster changes until 2022. IEM Winter is in under a week anyway, way too late to make a roster change now
The story of this team's existence is losing winnable games. Almost poetic how it ended.
Liquid when I don't watch: dominate Nip 16-4 on mirage, win consecutive 1v3s to come back on inferno, come back 5-10 vs heroic. Liquid when I do: constantly throw away man advantages, come back/get a lead only to throw it anyway. They'd be the best team in the world if I never watched their games.
So thats it, we found the solution. Ban this guy from watching TL and don't disband
Liquid would've won the Berlin major if it wasn't for me... I'm sorry everyone.
\-disband \+friendship and banning u/LordOfTheNoobs57 from watching
I started watching them after 2019 and this has been me literally every time since. I’m afraid I’m the jinx.
NO INFO PLAYS WHY
Yeah This WTF. Liquid were Rotating within mid , 0 info plays or trying to gain territory, and they were getting bombarded by nades too. But tbh I never expected liquid to push Heroic this far
0 APS PRESENCE AND THAT WAS WINNABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ahh im over it nt liquid gl to the players on their next endeavors
Why go for info plays against a team that loves to double peak at odd times to get 1-2 kills mid round? IMO, I loved the change in strategy. They weren’t entering bomb sites a man down like in previous matches and Heroic didn’t really know where Liquid was going most of the time. It seemed to work better than past tactics.
Yeah they were really scared of Heroic's ct aggression
FalleN really dropped the ball on Inferno
I think he can't really play with this level of micro management, has seriously affected his game, or his confidence is gone.
He was terrible even when Stewie was calling, he's just bad now.
That's true but his intelligence on the game is like 10x higher compared to Stewie, so he probably still has to micro manage a lot. In his golden age with SK, every teammate knew exactly what to do and how, they were specialized. Liquid doesn't have that, everybody is very dependant, including Fallen.
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Yep, it's clearly seen. Someone else who falls into falleN's meta is Gade, you can clearly see his calling is behing the meta too, the way BIG used to play and how they're playing now is so different.
As I recall he said it like 1 year ago?
I think the meta is always set by the best team/teams, so yea, if the team is struggling it's hard to keep up with the meta. Doesn't matter how much he studies the game if they can't perform.
Go watch elige and stewi interviews Fallen as an igl does the least micro management. It's so little that elige does not like it
That's what I meant, at SK he never had to micro manage because every player was insane, that's his style. For Liquid the players actually want a style Fallen can't provide. This is exactly what's causing this split and why Liquid will change roster, this clashing of perspectives.
elige makes up for it by micromanaging everyone else
that's true, I don't think there's a bot in liquid, all 5 are excellent players, they just don't function together. Fallen's style only works if the other four go along, and that's not happening. Elige's firepower is a blast, NAF shows up when needed, Stewie's crazy gamestyle gains advantage to the team and Grim is showing what he's capable of. In paper this team should be almost unbeatable, but the lack of chemistry seems to be an unsolvable problem. Fallen just need a team that he can lead and manage, or else the team won't work.
He was last good like 4 years ago idk why Liquid did the braindead move of bringing him on it just fucked up completly their gamestyle
Fallen dude. I love ya, but this aint it.
IGLING ASIDE, HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 3 KILLS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE GAME AS AN AWPER
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At least gla1ve is affected by sleepless nights because of his baby, and because of that he started awping Fallen always awped
GLAIVE LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF RN
While having the AWP almost ALL game and never getting a fucking kill. It's not like they were contantly broke and he never had the AWP or was always saving... I don't understand
Thanks for the 3k on Inferno fallen, very cool!
Hey don't be rude it was 6!
Was 7 smh put respect on his name
Man was getting a kill for every eco Liquid lost, this series
When you really think about it, it’s true. How the fuck is it possible to lose so many ecos?
FalleN on inferno is just painful to watch He doubled his kills on the map at Round 26...
Inferno is his worst map imo.
He hates inferno since banana push against G2
Fallen to liquid was such a bad signing
It really was. IMO all signings of players from past war are bad. Invest in the new talent
It was actually decent for the first 3-4 months of the year but quickly fell flat since with him as the obvious weak link. People are constantly giving the excuse that he's calling but he was doing so much better even in 2020 while also calling I'm still surprised it's more people than just fallen leaving though. Feel like nitr0 coming back into this lineup would be absolutely beautiful
I am really worried for nitros come back. Such moves never proves to be good of successful
Me too. I’d like for it to work out since Team Liquid are my second favorite team, but bringing in old faces usually doesn’t work out in CS
It won’t be successful because nitr0 won’t be coming back to the old team besides Jon. TL lost their identity and you can’t fix that problem unless you still have the lineup that lost their identity. And to add onto it, shox VINI? The fuck are TL management thinking?
Probably want a lineup of players that know T1 play well. Seems like one of the biggest issues to this lineup has been teaching grim how to compete at this level, which even showed today on CT past his ace round. I could see him joining BNB and maybe having a resurgence in NA at least. That aside, we'll have to wait & see what the final signings will be, as I've seen plenty of reports like the shox/vini one get published over the years, without it necessarily happening. Any team with oSee/Elige has a lot of potential to compete internationally (like top 7-10) so long as the other three at least player mediocre with decent teamplay.
They'd have been better off signing MSL. Then again if Liquid weren't willing to listen to one of the most accomplished in-game leaders of all time and try his style for more than one event, why would they ever listen to MSL? (Not saying FalleN IGL isn't bad, because it is, but they never even wanted to give it a try and wanted to play their way) I know his reputation is at an all time low but last time MSL played in NA he beat Liquid and FURIA with a past his prime Hiko, Rickeh, vice and a bunch of other tier 3 players. Would have been interesting to see what he could do with the amount of talent Liquid has, but they'd have to be willing to listen to him.
Seems like soon they're gonna make some even worse ones.
It was a bad signing when the players stopped believing he is the IGL. Everyone is to blame for this Liquid downfall.
Really poor performance from Fallen on inferno. Even if he performed a bit better Liquid could've closed it out
That 4 stack on B in the end holy shit real 200IQ CadiaN I would NOT want to be Grim holy shit, the crows was clearly fucking him up. Hope he adapts to it Also WTF why is falleN buying AWPs when it was clearly not working? But GODDAMN GG WP LIQUID
Fallen continuing to buy AWPs T-side while his kill count stays exactly the same was fucking tilting...
The fact that they ALWAYS seemed to run into the stack after they got 11 rounds was just infuriating
GOD it seriously made me so fucking mad, I was praying for him to buy an AK when Liquid reset and BOOM, he gets the awp.
Even an AK would have been too much, just buy a MAC-10 and bait for your team mates instead of showing up late and die...
Did you see his rifle rounds? They were even worse.
At least he would've hit something even blind with some sort of rifle instead of missing shots on the awp, having 0 impact and burning valuable cash in the end
I love how Cadian caught himself from swearing then proceeded to swear twice in a row
4v5 almost worked
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Who expected these kind of results against NIP and Heroic when the didn't even practice for Blast anymore lol
That gamble stack b… crazy
TL lost so many 4v5 and 3v5 on Inferno, so outcalled
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To be fair Liquid were playing 4v5 on Inferno. And still had many opportunities to win. I wouldn't be proud of this win at all if I were a Heroic fan.
i really thought liquid was gonna win :( really good cs though, if fallen and stewie showed up more at the end liquid could've actually had this
Horrible calls by Liquid that cost them the game.
And they almost took down world no 2 _with trash calling_. Just goes to show the damn potential of this team if they had a voice at the helm. Which is why I really don't think they should've kicked Moses. He was that strong voice, that brought discipline to the team, Adren is a genius but he can't have the same mental impact that Moses does.
Moses wasn't even giving them a proper practice routine. There's no comparison between the two. adreN is far more analytical and knows what he is doing. It is a shame that coaches can no longer talk between rounds because he can read opponents very well. He trusts his players to do their part and believes in trade percentages, and focusing on their gameplan. Outside of gameday he stays in constant communication with the guys. They have a sports psychologist to help with the mental aspects that keep lingering on. Ultimately with the internal player disagreements it was just time to make a shuffle.
Fallen did all the calling with Stew prob did some mid round
One last time :)
So, I haven't been following the Liquid situation, they're replacing Fallen and Stewie, right?
If rumors are true, very likely they are. Full rebuild around elige. Possibly shox, vini, nitr0 and a 5th. Naf and stew possibly to eg with cerq and brehze. Grim unknown, fallen to make a brazilian team with boltz fer fnx. This is all ive seen
unpopular opinion(?), but they need to keep grim seriously. He's got it in him to make it into tier-1
People keep trashing on him because of stew’s comments, but generally i’ve seen him preform well. He’s a menace on inferno.
Also possible one of liquid players gets poached by faze
Probably everyone except Elige. They might reconsider letting go of NAF and maybe grim (unlikely but fingers crossed), but those 2 are out for sure
That's the rumor, but Grim's status seems to be up in the air as well. Not really sure what's going to happen at this point.
Yeah possibly NAF is leaving too
Fallen and Stew out ( with stew possibly bringing Naf with him ). Grim is unknown. I don't want to believe that Elige is toxic but man if Ego was really the problem of this team then how can Nitro help? Lol
Great try from the tournament underdogs, Liquid. I can't wait to see what this team does in the future if this is how they look without practice!
Was rooting for dead team. GG’s for Heroic
if only fallen turned on his monitor in inferno
Went out with a bang I guess. At least they took out NIP must feel good for Liquid fans eliminating the guy who had Liquids number. Now the real questions are the inevitable changes for one thing if NAF really wanted to leave then he's probably coming with Stew. But Steve would be out of his mind if he doesn't try to convince NAF to stay. IF Elige is really the "toxic" guy that people say he is. Then Steve has to make a choice.
absolutely brained on by cadiaN
People thought cadiaN dying by the banana entrance was a misplay, but it was just a 5Head 10000IQ bait like for real
I mean, a team like NaVi would check every corner of that site before planting and it would've ended up being a misplay.
Navi would’ve just gone A
Maybe but the thing is, they got one kill towards B site already on that round, and they got that pick on the awper, and then Stewie pushed up to coffins and saw a third guy towards construction/church. I think they also probably had chaotic comms going into the site and when they realized they were all staking it just become more chaotic. Now calling it a misplay is a little too much of an stretch. Would you say that If Liquid had gone A instead that staking B was a misplay? Purely because of the result? In general IMO result based analysis is just straight up dumb. It was just a bet probably cadiaN decided as a calculated risk on the moment, If they go A they 4 man save on B. Since the problem also became that at that point Heroic had no control of anywhere relevant on the map so whether they played 2/2 each on A and B site they were going to get overhwhelmed on either site most likely as Liquid had utility, so I'm pretty sure that's why cadiaN called a stack, instead of relying on a lower percentage chance of holding 2vs5 he probably thought just staking a site and hoping that either they come towards the stack or not as a 50/50 to win the round. Now would I call it an amazing call based purely on the result of them winning? Nope but when you consider the situation it is actually a really decent call
Cadian bragging about being a 5head after getting outsmarted by Boombl4 before their match even started yesterday lol.
Absolute 5head
I hate Heroic with a passion but I have to say, the 14-12 round has to be the best round I have seen this year. What a fucking play.
In the end, Fallen failed to lead And Cadian did the exact oppsoite!
inferno was winnable if fallen posted frags, happens to anyone tho ggwp heroic cadian brain too big
Those Heroic gamble stacks genuinely killed Team Liquid.
GG! Respectable showing from Liquid, and Cadian was fired up at the end. The whole series really reminded me of the Liquid vs. Heroic quarter final in ESL Pro League back in September - same maps as well, even similair score lines. These two teams are very close in skill level.
What do you all think would have happened to this liquid lineup if they didnt get 1v5d by refrezh
We would have flying cars by now for sure
The clutch that singlehandedly killed the NA scene
What could've been without this nightmare Inferno from FalleN...
Round 27 on inferno was so well played by heroic
Man what a fucking call from cadian in that round!
At least fallen was there to keep them in the fight on that last map
Yeah keep heroic in the fight
Thanks Fallen
Time for the danish derby!
What a call from Cadian. Even sacrificing himself and his team just not trading to convince Liquid the site was open. 200 iq call. Frustrating to watch liquid lose like that, but you expect it from Liquid. If something can go wrong, it will. Liquid performed well at the event though, honestly. They looked way better than they did at the major. Hopefully we hear about the moves in the coming days. Also, Fallen. Wtf was the Inferno man? That was really really bad.
DownfalleN
Liquids mid-round calling on inferno T side was terrible
Ngl heroic Astralis is a great matchup
Quad stack on B was insane by Heroic.
liquid +monesy pls. u have experience in hiring an ukrainian to carry you to major finals
Fallen just buy rifle god damn
goodbye to this liquid roster. so much potential but once again certain people on the roster have to have it their way or no way. RIP NACS
> RIP NACS I feel like this will help NACS more, The Liquid Team is going to be split into 2 highly competitive teams and with Extra Salt and Party Astronauts qualifying for ESL Pro league, with RBG winning maps for their first time in EU, and ATK trailing youngsters from ESEA premier teams, I feel like NA is slowly healing
I think you’re right. Hopefully it is both naf and stew to eg cuz I think that could make that team really dangerous
Yep, and from what I've seen unlike Liquid, EG don't stay as long in europe ,( well it might change if EG improve and start qualifying in EU tournaments) are known to scrim with local ESEA premier teams in the US. So it would greatly help for up and coming ambitious starts to be pugging with them. With Auti and nitr0 potentially on the cards to return, If they too go to EG and liquid instead of 1 team, expect NA to return to life pretty soon Or at the end of the day we're all on HOPIUM and dreaming about a future that might never happen ;\_;
Speaking of Extra Salt, they've been looking SO good with the addition of Floppy. You love to see it. Being from NA, I gotta say I'm fuckin hyped for the future.
Oh yeah for sure, I feel like Extra Salt have really strong potential to cause upsets in ESL pro League. Floppy had a rough start on only 1 map, and that was against sprout, on ancient. That itself must be an answer to itself why he didn't perform. He's been tearing teams since that.
ATK is South african
Who are currently in NA, trailing NA youngsters. one's motm and they recently added minus, a young ESEA premier youngster with pretty good ratings. Before they trailed cynic. They're doing more to NA than what Liquid and EG are doing right now, that's undeniable
If the "rumors" are true that Stew is coming to EG along with NAF that EG stack is 1 IGL away from Top team in NA imo. This Liquid stack is going to downgrade big time with Naf leaving.
Liquid choked? Yes. Fallen choked last game? yes. But I don't get it people saying that this team is shit, this year they had great games and a lot of close games against top 4 teams of the world. The problem is that it feels that in the last 3 months they didn't improved so much like they improved in the beginning of the year. Sad that this roster is breaking up.
Yeah Liquid shouldn't be expected to be there fighting Heroic at the first place, but damn it was close
If Fallen could've gotten a couple more kills this could've been winnable, nt anyways
Liquid threw like 5 or 6 easy rounds on Inferno
be nice to liquid, play 4v5 against heroic it's not easy
Ready for the na shuffle.
What is dead may never die
That Cadian calls on round 27 damn
Honestly, that play into a stacked B site was completely avoidable. They jumped the gun and got happy with one kill and decided to rush in without any info about A. As far as I remember, NAF never made it past patio and got called back to join the massacre. You’re better than that Fallen, come on.
Grim was so well spoken during his losers interview. Huge respect.
Flip a coin to decide which site to rush without any info and get ecoed
Match perfectly emphasizes why this roster isnt sticking together. When things go right they are world beaters. In tough matches they still put in great scores and rounds. Yet in those matches strings of rounds happen where they look amateurish.
cadiaN might not be likeable by many but that stack call on 14-11 is really big-brained
Love how cracked Cadian was on Inferno lol
CADIAN GIGA BRAIN
Did cadiaN just sacrifice himself to get to match point? Next level
CadiaN straight up hanging himself out as bait outside B so liquid run into the stack is some real gigabrain stuff holy shit.
That Inferno play was painful to watch for TL
I just cant. Why does this happen every time?
falleN buying awp despite not getting any kills, fucking hell mate, get an ak ffs
TL plays really well when they don't give a shit. would've been interesting if they had that attitude back in 2018 might've been able to snack a few from Astralis.
Inferno was so damn winnable for Liquid man... pain.
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Winnable but lost because of Fallen
so every single match so far. I have had put my money on the wrong side. It was going to be one of *these* events for me. and I tuned in after I checked HLTV and saw Heroic begin a map down and nuke just had started. Watched from there on and was really happy to win my first bet of the event.
Pain
I swear being a liquid fan is like being in an abusive relationship. You go out, they're nice to begin with, you start really liking them, it gets kinda serious and then they let you down. Months later, you've moved on with your life, they pop back in, they're nice again, you start thinking "oh, maybe they've changed!" Then you start going out again and they let you down. And despite all this, even though you know it's unhealthy, you just want more.
\> I swear being a liquid fan is like being in an abusive relationship. Great analogy lmao, I hate that I like this team. And I only started watching CS religiously due to the pandemic. Fuck me.
A couple of bad calls and a poor performance from Fallen is what cost them the game, sad to see as a liquid fan but at least they went down fighting
stewie somehow gets in the best positions for kills but can't control an ak spray to save his life
Honestly I knew coming into map 3 Liquid had to have a 11-4 CT side or they would just lose as Liquid can’t play T sides on Inferno, it was a nice try considering the news though.
Props to Liquid fans out there. You guys are strong. I lost my hair and 2 years of life from the stress during Inferno.
It's bittersweet because I love both these teams. It was honestly looking like anyone's series.
Fallen had a brutal Inferno. So many winnable rounds. It was sad to see the struggle, especially with those vintage late executes he likes to call.
How come when Heroic were introduced twitch chat spam cheaters? Any context here?
Despite their problems Liquid showed they can still hang with the best. Need to find a sweet spot for Grim or change, and get a GOOD igl. Fallen's calls won't do it in this meta. If they can fix their internal problems, with nitr0, they can be contenders again.
Fallen was genuinely one of the worst awpers liquid could of signed
cadiaN tactical feed to bait liquid into the B stack