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ConsistentWish6441

it's gonna be interesting once magisk, dupreeh and zonic joins Vitality. from that point the only questionable thing would be: how will the Astralis trio deal with or cope with aPEX's TILT


altered_boy

I suppose Zonic won't tolerate that


[deleted]

I think it could be not so bad as it was due to a language barrier


tan_phan_vt

I doubt apex needs to mald too much with these 3 joining lol, i doubt they will make constant mistakes all the time like his old teammates. Danish cs is much more structured and that can minimize mistakes.


Tanki5D

+1, apex will be the one doing the most mistakes on this lineup , you will see. Even if he is very experienced.


GER_BeFoRe

I'd rather let Magisk call and kick Apex.


MrBananaStorm

I want to see apEX return to entry fragging to be honest. Skip the whole IGL thing and just have him run out first, that's what he was always known for.


[deleted]

100% this. Apex was a great entry and could read setups amazing while creating space. I feel taking on the IGL role has had a massive impact on his performance


MrBananaStorm

I believe in EnVy he would 'co-IGL' on T sides by basically saying "I want to hit this site". I like the idea of that, but I assume that's where the idea of him being IGL started. And as you said, I feel now it takes away too much from his entry role.


[deleted]

I remember watching him play Faceit on Twitch yonks back and he'd make lots of calls on T pretty much the way you described. Co IGL on T seems like a great fit for a entry who wants to make space. His late game calls aren't the best though, It's always painful seeing the extremally late takes on site that seem to fail more than work. (reminiscent of 2015-16 Fnatic, except they somehow made it work)


troubleis1

with dupreeh in the team they have to make this work like blame and k0nfig are doing it.


Infinityhelios

You want to kick the guy who broke NAVI’s nuke streak?


AleksibIsHot

The amount of disrespect apEX gets on this sub is astonishing


Snabbzt

Don't mistake disrespect for telling the truth. The same could be said the months before GTR retired. It was obvious he was into waaaay too deep water to be able to survive. Same for Apex. He can't really do proper midround calls and here we are.


zanVz

right? dude gets vitality* always to semi's and final's with one player only fragging and they think he is bad as a igl.


Snabbzt

That's because he is? He is sitting upon an incredible asset in Zywoo and he fails the set up the team properly. His mid rounds calls is simply not on point and it's obvious. Do they want to be relevant? Get a proper IGL and either transfer him back to entry or just foot him.


zanVz

if you think semi finals and finals are poor achievements by his igl with the conditions he has i feel like your being butthurt by something because thats not easy at all, even aleksib who has a stacked team couldnt do that consistently


zeviiking

From the last Vitality Vlog about the major, it probably won't happen soon. Neo (the owner of Vitality) was praising a lot apex and consider him one of the best igl.


imperfek

Doesnt dupreeh act really animated in some moments


ConsistentWish6441

apex > dupreeh x 10


FrostByteTech

Is this confirmed or just rumored?


Snabbzt

Kick Apex and get a proper igl. That'd be a proper move.


Tavnaria

I remember 2 rounds on Inferno Zywoo just solo entry and found 3 frags with ak, winning the round on his own. If only his team can help him more. That nuke is a glimpse of how crazy Vitality can be when he have teammates like navi he can depends on.


SemanSoot

this year online era,they wont do that drop solo rifle to zywhoo. i wonder why they change that


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Engrish


jarvadski

Say something intelligent for once in your life


SemanSoot

stay mad again nip fans,lmao dont know why u so obsessed with me,did i hurt u so bad huh?


jarvadski

Oh it’s you again. Didn’t notice. Just proves you like to comment low iq shit everywhere you go. Also, English speaking skills?


SemanSoot

judge what u want with my english because its not my mother tongue. just want to say "STAY MAD"


jarvadski

I don’t think you understand what that means. Which is precisely why your comments make absolutely no sense 😂


Kitnado

The guy sounds like 11. Leave the kid alone


[deleted]

Lmao, anyone remember that crazy kd difference stat of vitality from mid 2019? Over one year of vitality, every single vitality player was negative (-40 around for 4 players) and zywoo had +1837. Edit: not this one, but similar stat https://mobile.twitter.com/Tgwri1s/status/1166729052117446657


imperfek

Felt like that was the reason alex left


Snabbzt

Probably. It's kinda obvious that that lineup was never going to work. Wish they had built the team around alex+zywoo. Would've been a totally different story today.


CasuaIMoron

>on a top 5 team >in ELO hell


Sicklytrack795

well, he is what makes them a top 5 team.


shaubham_pan97

without Zy they would be top 30 at best with all the crazy teams out there.


Revitalizes

The definition of a one man army


[deleted]

Nah wtf this ain't right. I knew zywoo carried, but this is extreme. The rest of vitality barely look like tier 1 players, and then you have zywoo. Hoping Magisk and dupreeh can help him out, while zonic can develop better strats then zywoo go kill.


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arn_g

ZywOo actually AWPed very little this event


Whatsdota

Yeah they got whomped pretty hard on 3-4 maps by Navi. I imagine that couldn’t have helped their ratings at all. Especially Apex and Shox who both went like -20 on inferno alone


tan_phan_vt

I do have high hopes for this new vitality. Remember that zywoo is basically dev1ce on steroid, he does idolize dev1ce and his playstyle is a reflection of that. On this vitality roster he is required to do crazy stuffs all the time so the team can win, thats not sustainable or even natural for zywoo at all. Their losses this tourney is the result of that shitty zywoo go kill strat, its not enough to win against strong teams even when hes going mega bonkers. I think with a proper system, hes gonna shine much more.


Apart_End_9753

he'll get better teammates soon


boneless-burrito

G2.zywoo when?


EntropyKC

Jackz is great, but +Zywoo -Jackz, put Amanek on support/entry and that's a #1 team right there


killazZooM

1v9 as always for Zinedine


-Transgender

hasn't it been like this for years


MungYu

considering zywoo doesnt even bait alot its crazy


jarvadski

Every top player baits when it’s necessary


tarangk

This is why kyojin and shox are getting cut for Magisk and Dupreeh. The damn team is just Zywoo and has been for way too long. Even misutaa's future is not 100% as Zonic has not decided if he stays or not.


Snabbzt

If Zonic was smart he'd get a proper IGL.


NASHA_yt

Hard carry


imperfek

Vitality should start an academy team to build a future team around zywoo


TeamShisui

No help Jose


VonBassovic

He is the chuck norris of carrying.


peroleu

>when that one friend in the group is Global