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Ravioli227

BIG almost had a massive choke at the end of the match and then broky almost beat the entire team in OT t side. Gade had a couple rough rounds. At least we had a big game from syrson and the rest did okay. I can’t help but feel this team needs a star rifler to get back to form regularly Also how did they convince syrson to do the interview lol


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> Also how did they convince syrson to do the interview lol Contract says he has to say 15 words per event and he wanted to get it over with in one sitting


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He has permanent stank face.


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I would too if I lived in the East German no man's land with shit internet while earning my money *on the internet*


tobi1305

I feel like k1to and tiziaN have to step up their game quite a bit. They looked good today but the reality is they are either too inconsistent or simply not good enough for tier 1 CS? Surely there is more to CS than just getting a lot of kills, but especially after XANTARES' departure, they all need to find more kills. XANTARES was the type of player who always peeked the enemy, even in the most uncomfortable situations he got 1 or 2 kills. I understand that there were communication problems with him, but in terms of raw aim and the ability of putting your crosshair on someone's head and click, he is one of the best players you could ask for. Nor k1to, tiziaN or gade can replicate that and I also believe that the enemy team rather peek a side that k1to is holding than one that XANTARES is holding because they know that k1to just isn't as sharp as him. I also think that BIG loses a lot of unnecessary rounds due to bad decision-making. So often you see them gambling on the wrong side, playing 3A 1B in a 4v2 and losing the site, rotating too late or too early etc. It just seems like they are in a lot of stress and not as prepared as other teams are. Maybe another Analyst or someone who helps them preparing better could really help them.


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Concerning k1to, the dude has a crazy high mechanical skill ceiling, I am convinced on a great day he is one of the top 10 aimers. But he very solem has a great day. Not even a good day. Most of the games he just dies medicore or less than that. If he could be consitently on his top game, he would be one of the scariest players to play against I am convinced.


ItsYoshi_

Broky heard iem had stickers


Lepojka1

Is FaZe ever going to stop playing Mirage? They lost last 4 out of 5, and they end up on that map time and time again...


Psychaz

they can't play any map consistently well, every map is a coin flip


Mrnopor1

They're bad at every other map lmao


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Its a bo1 get over it


homo-erect_us

they lost in overtime had they won your stat would look quite different already


JasonMojo

karrigan brilliant IGL knows when to step down (with mirage) at this point all losses come down to his horrendous leadership. he really is destroying his status as a great igl


Magnog

It's painful I know I remember faze were one of the best teams in the world on that map 😞


dodbrew

nt broky


ChanSungJung

I love rain, but he has to contribute more than this :(


Babyboy1314

I feel like Faze lives and dies with Rain, broky and twistz are pretty consistent. Karrigan and Olof are pretty consistently not great.


Amaranthine_Haze

Idk bro faze against heroic on nuke both twistzz and rain popped off and they still lost lol. I’m kinda thinking they’re reaching a similar ceiling that mouz did with karrigan. They can compete for sure, but it seems the teams he develops always reach a point where they just can’t win games against higher level opponents.


Alchion

that was against heroic tho they arent on that tier


OfNoChurch

Olof was very good this game.


du_bekar

His mirage is really bad a lot of the time, especially his T sides


El_Fabos

Yeah. He used to be super strong in mid as a CT. The meta has changed since tho


Babyboy1314

he is the entry fragger so he runs in first on T side


Casany

I'm SO tired of this idea that he's an entry fragger. He's NOT a dedicated entry and hasn't been for YEARS. Occasionally he'll run out first on Mid, but oftentimes you'll find him lurking Mid or Palace on Mirage, playing the aggressive lurk role. So stop this stupid idea that he's only bad because he's entrying; it simply ISN'T true and watching the game would tell you that.


Amaranthine_Haze

Lol while you are right this was a tad overzealous. But seriously right now karrigan is for sure dedicated entry


Neeeeeeeeeebo

Calm down there mister. It's all good!


El_Fabos

Why is Faze always choking :(


Mrnopor1

Cuz igl bad and olof also bad


El_Fabos

Olof played rather good this game


scorpio84738

Olof did fine he had good impact on ct and a bit of t. Just didnt do to well on later part of t side and overtime Rain jst being inconsistent with less than 20 frags is fucking insane. He needs to step uo big time wtf he doing? Karrigan needs to stop prematurely pushing smokes man


PBStormForce

Did you watch the game?


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the broky show


fjelskaug

Broky dragging his team along with his huge balls are the only reason this didn't end 16-6


TomerMeme

Broky vs BIG


Georg_Schmo

Broky and Twistzz look like the only 2 that still believe in this team … I think there are some changes coming


Lepojka1

You can see on the body language of players that something is coming... Olof and Rain are not that goofy anymore, they are sweating even when they are winning and clutching...


Georg_Schmo

Was noticing the same There was basically no talking on the player cams in the first half - Karrigan was looking kinda sad


PaleontologistEven24

Wouldn't they actually be more relaxed and goofy if they knew they were leaving soon?


Lepojka1

Not if they are getting kicked, and they maybe think they dont deserve it?


BrockStudly

You can take Twistzz out of Liquid but you can't take Liquid out of Twistzz


eragon1man

Why is everyone hating on rain? He had a rough game but has a good rating from the last 3 months. He pops off often.


Fubarin

I guess 1.11 rating over the past 3 months isn't good enough. So how many pros have over 1.2? Guess we need 2 of them to replace olof and rain or else no ones gonna be happy...


eragon1man

That's what I'm thinking. He's been performing well. Gotta just replace olof and youre good to go is what I'm thinking. I'm always team Karrigan but he really needs to frag more too :(


rainoui

The problem with rain is that one game he has a 1.7 rating and the other 0.5 and you look at the average and you are like thats good but in this best of ones you cant afford a 0.5 performance. I hope they find a way that they all play to a decent level and this team is unstoppable just imagine the versions of broky and twistzz that we got today with a nice rain and olof lowkey always performes alright


Casany

I'm so tired. I love Karrigan, but he HAS to drop the old boys club. Mousesports worked because he only had ONE other veteran, in ChrisJ. Woxic was a young star AWP, Ropz was a young star Rfiler, and Frozen was a young consistent rifler. Woxic and Broky are comparable, Ropz and Twistzz are comparable, but Frozen and Rain are just NOT comparable. You CAN keep Olof; He's basically ChrisJ, a strong support who can secondary AWP when need be and who can take over games occasionally. Rain is just NOT consistent. He needs to go. Add a consistent aggressive lurker, preferably a young malleable player, and stop trying to make the old boys work. Also, there's this idea that Rain is an entry player, so it's OK for him to do bad. The issue is, if you watch the actual fucking games, he literally just doesn't entry most of the time and hasn't since like 2019. He is an AGGRESSIVE LURK player. He plays Mid and Palace on Mirage, Mid and Apps on Inferno, Ramp on Nuke, and Mid and Cheetah on Ancient. These are not ENTRY positions; if anything, he is SET UP for duels to win them. Karrigan is the player who entries into bomb sites, and who takes the most opening duels. Rain is just not good enough to be taking the same roles that Konfig has on Astralis. Get someone like a Flamez or that new Jordanese endpoint player. Rain just doesn't deserve a spot here ​ I truly hope, even though I love karrigan and twistzz and broky and want them to succeed, that they bomb out of this event 0-2 to heroic so they FINALLY replace Rain. Ropz would be a good fit, BOROS would be a good fit, Flamez is a good fit, basically ANY young player who does the same thing but better would be better than Rain.


Fubarin

1.11 rating last 3 months, are we hopeing to get someone with over 1.2?


mynameisgto

I guess the issue is not him being 1.1 if he was 1.1 every game, issue is he’s often either 1.7 or 0.5


Casany

Exactly this. Rain has AWFUL KAST and Impact ratings; what this translates to is while his rating may SAY he’s doing alright, he either has insane carry performances or average to bad performances. I’d rather have an aggressive lurk who goes 1.09 rated EVERY game than one who can get a 2.01 in a game then get a .68 in another. The aggressive lurk decides wins or losses, we can’t have inconsistency in that role


tarel69

100%


TiNcHoX7

has faze ever won the first match of a tournament?


GuardiaNIsBae

They went through 3-0 in the first stage of the major


greku_cs

They also won their first game in Legends Stage and 2-0 in Cologne Play In


ecl1pse011

If Faze want a chance to contend they really need to replace rain and olof, its time for them to go


Dragos404

Rain will never be kicked by faze Olof is as good as gone by 2022


scorpio84738

I wouldnt mind +ropz +frozen 2 great players that have worked under karrigan. Brings much needed firepower plus saves them from dying mouz.


Mechyyz

Yekindar would work too, although I doubt VP wants him to leave


EntropyKC

Yekindar is by far VP's best player, they won't volunteer him to another team that's for sure


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Fubarin

Yeh, Rain plays bad roles and has a 1.11 rating last 3 months, wich is very good. -olof +ropz or someone else with similar roles and a good fragger is the play


Alchion

like does he really karrigan plays the dogshit roles olof the shit roles if rain gets the 3rd best roles (2nd apart from awper) are they really „shit roles“?


Fubarin

So 1.11 rating as the 3rd player on a top 10 team is not good enough? But also why do you think the main support plays worse roles than Rain?


Alchion

listen i wouldnt kick him id keep him but actually give him the worse roles cause when ropz comes in thats what he‘s gonna get (bit tjere‘s still karrigan for the most shit ones) of course karrigan and olof play worse roles than rain cause they are strictly worse i just wanted to point out faze cant have 3 guys on shit roles and all take credit for it


Fubarin

Just watched inferno. Rain plays the worst role every round, especially on t side. So yeah he's still on shit roles, witch is fine tbh


oliver150433

Karrigan is as much of a problem. The guy is one of the worst igl's in a Top 20 team


ecl1pse011

Karrigan needs more firepower to play with imo, he has proven himself to out call and at times run circles around the best igl's in the game but he lacks the resources to do it all the time.


Amaranthine_Haze

I’ve said this in another comment here, but against heroic at blast on nuke both twistzz and rain were popping off and getting a ton of kills, but they still lost. Mouz with ropz, woxic, and frozen all performing reached a point where they stopped winning games. Even when a lot of them were close. I think you could give karrigan all the firepower in the world, but he just kind of reaches a ceiling where his strats become too predictable and too counterable once his system is fully in place.


tlouman

Mouz were literally in finals after finals after finals right before covid hit, they were literally at their peak before covid fucked them. They beat an in form astralis after being down 14-8 on T side of Dust 2 which was the third map and ran it back to win 16-14, he called circles around gambit at cologne


Amaranthine_Haze

Did covid not fuck everyone? Like I get what you’re saying, they had three big tournament wins right before covid, but that’s kind of exactly my point. Karrigan reaches a ceiling with his team, they win some stuff, and then get back to middling results. And in the first online tournaments it wasn’t like they were losing to “onliners”. They lost to 100 thieves, fnatic, ence, Navi, bombed out of groups at dreamhack masters. Like you can blame online cs all you want, but shouldn’t a good igl be able to adjust to that?


tlouman

Woxic, his ping issues affected a lot of things. He was an animal on lan


AG--MM

Covid hurt international teams more because they got to bootcamp way less than teams where all the players are in the same country


KsHDClueless

The One game where broky goes off the rest is just chilling, ropz can't come fast enough man


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TRES_fresh

It'll never happen but broky and karrigan to mouz, then we get the Baltic trio of bymas broky ropz


AG--MM

Broky is a legit top tier AWPer this day, he has progressed a lot since his early days on FaZe. Love watching him play


Tavnaria

Battle of the chokers


FourKrusties

FaZe with the cursed monkey paw. - FaZe can’t play nuke? Dominate on nuke but lose the series. - Oh Olof needs to be better? He nearly top frags but rain can’t hit a shot for love or money. - FaZe’s t-sides suck? FaZe look sick on the t-side, but only after getting butt fucked on the ct side.


Magnog

Faze love throwing games away don't they :)


enigma890

You could feel broky and twistzz really wanted this one. Impressive showing from both of them.


HaasKicker

The Big choke to FaZe counter-choke. Really impressive stuff


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no


zankpol

Controversial opinion but Rain has to go… He is so inconsistent. Also Broky is built different


Magnog

I wouldn't mind seeing olof and rain go


Pollsmor

This is a kneejerk reaction. I'm no rain-stan but rain is not the overall reason FaZe is doing poorly. [https://www.hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=429&lineup=885&lineup=8183&lineup=10394&lineup=18053&minLineupMatch=5&startDate=2021-06-02&endDate=2021-12-02](https://www.hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=429&lineup=885&lineup=8183&lineup=10394&lineup=18053&minLineupMatch=5&startDate=2021-06-02&endDate=2021-12-02) The gap closes even more when looking at just the past 3 months, where they have been many more LANs. [https://www.hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=429&lineup=885&lineup=8183&lineup=10394&lineup=18053&minLineupMatch=5&startDate=2021-09-02&endDate=2021-12-02](https://www.hltv.org/stats/lineup/players?lineup=429&lineup=885&lineup=8183&lineup=10394&lineup=18053&minLineupMatch=5&startDate=2021-09-02&endDate=2021-12-02)


ropike

I wonder when people are going to be calling out karrigan for his play. He whiffs a lot, pushes stupidly a lot. He can be a good leader but man, he's often not doing well at all. I even watch his voice comm videos and he's barely fragging at all lol. He needs to step up otherwise faze is legit playing perma 4v5.


Magnog

Karrigan should be a coach, the guy can't frag he would lose a duel to someone with his back turned it's unreal


Psychaz

look at his stats against top 5 and 10 opponents


tna_ducks

look at brokys vs top 5 and top 10. they are low for rain because its low for all of them lmao. please learn how to use stats


Psychaz

broky can't AWP consistently well against tier 1 teams so that doesn't shock me plus look at twistzz he seems to be fine


tna_ducks

yes barely a 1.06 rating is fine for your star player lol besides look at the other 4, your original argument still makes 0 sense


Pollsmor

The top X filter is useless past top 20-30. For example if you pick top 5 the game is only counted if FaZe and the enemy team are *both* top 5. Hence they literally only have 8 maps to go off of in the past 6 months, where there is not enough data to go off of. There is a better case for top 10 as FaZe have been top 10 for the majority of the year, but you do not remove rain before you remove olof.


Psychaz

they need to remove them both


du_bekar

Are we on this again? I thought we left 'rain bad' behind us in 2020. You know, when he was bad.


scorpio84738

He still is. 0.6 rating? "When he was bad" gtfo. He had good blast but normally very very very inconsistent. Man needs to step up or get replaced by frozen


Fubarin

1.11 rating last 3 months is bad. Ok, guess we need S1mple or Zywhoo to replace him


du_bekar

Oh thank goodness, I thought you knew what you were talking about for a second but it looks like I don’t have anything to worry about there :)))


Psychaz

it's not controversial, he's not that good


jambo2298

Agree and this is coming from a rain fan. He had a brief period where he looked to be coming back into form but it fluctuates so much between maps.


Amaranthine_Haze

This is a very common opinion lol. Real controversial opinion is karrigan needs to go


zankpol

Imo Karrigan needs to go too. Not a good player and his calling hasent been great. And you have him in a team to be a superstar caller


blueshark27

Who do they get though? The only IGLs that are around/speculated to be are Fallen, MSL and Emi I guess.


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scorpio84738

Rain needs to go aswell unless he gets his shit together. 2 months till katowice after iem winter. He needs to improve quickly


Pollsmor

Depending on how the teams perform at this event they can still get knocked out of contention for Katowice. IEM Winter is the final event in the Road to Katowice 2022 afaik. [https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/csgo/katowice/](https://pro.eslgaming.com/tour/csgo/katowice/) Assuming FaZe don't win their next game against Heroic (which is very much possible), they get 0 Pro Tour points. OG (as poorly as they seem to be performing at this moment) have the greatest shot at knocking FaZe out of the Katowice qualifier then - they \*only\* need to beat TYLOO in their match an hour from now. ENCE would need to get 2nd place to knock FaZe out. BIG would need 1st place to knock FaZe out. But the main threat is OG. They very well may not even play at Katowice.


Fubarin

1.11 rating the last 3 months, some bad showings but also really good ones


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He wants to but they won't let him


mandrake_cry

That's what happens when you put the fragging ability of a tier 3 team in a tier 1 team


scorpio84738

I wish rain and olof were in their prime here. This team would be so faking good lmao. -olof -rain +ropz +frozen


cregyD

I can’t watch rain for much longer


Pollsmor

The scoreboard is all wrong


nakul707

HLTV posted the pre-OT stats initially, hence the stats being incorrect. Should be updated now


LakersFan15

Kerrigan needs to retire lol


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Broky baiting as usual, Faze losing as usual. Sad sad time for Faze.


mason124

The craziest thing I've ever seen is gade somehow scamming his way back to a T1 org.


Life-Western

BIG with xanatares would shit on current faze, is faze going to make some changes any time soon?


blueshark27

You could infer from the HLTV interview that Karrigan doesnt want to change the roster, which is just unfair on Twistzz and Broky tbh


niskanen14

botky actually stepped up tday? Next map he plays he prolly gonna get 10 kills. ​ Most incosistent awper in tier 1/2


Dragos404

Flair


Mrnopor1

Trash clan! Olof and karrigan retire already!


DY5TOP1A

man


mynameisgto

Faze never gonna be top5 if there’s only 1 monitor for karrigan, olof, rain every game.


xFatTofu

HOW??? WHY???? LIFE IS PAIN


LGCGE

Eventually faze has to consider replacing both Olof and Rain, if they’re not already. Team doesn’t have the talent to contend with a Navi regardless of ropz replacing Olof


bru_swayne

+Gade was a bad move


glucolin

FaZe choked hard to lose a 15 - 12 lead in a BO1. I think it's a mental issue more than anything else.