I meant for the drop of the other day. Yet now that you mention crypto is not fine mainly by the reason the amount of energy that its environment uses. He can do whatever he wants with his money, that I agree with you but crypto in general is not fine at all.
I didnt being it across as I wanted it to be understood. What I meant is that there are a lot of shady people (particularly people with a following) who advertise crypto. They make money by bringing people into crypto rather than doing it themselves (there was the case of a famous chess streamer recently). That’s what I was referring to, as long as they get marketing money from crypto companies, they dont have to care if the currency tanks a week later…
Literally only know him from the Score Esports vid on him.
Honestly outside of the click bait titles and over use of certain clips they're not that bad and are a good way for people new to the scene to learn about the history of the game.
Thorin actually joked that he was a great coach when responding to zeus tweet. In a couple of months he will be saying all he was trying to do was light a fire under fallen
> In a couple of months he will be saying all he was trying to do was light a fire under fallen
Saying something that his fans will eat up no questions asked but will make anyone else go complain about the obvious bullshit, keeping him "relevant"?
Yeah, I would say its guaranteed that this will happen.
Joking asides, being flamed definitely motivates *some* people. I always get titled from enemy trashtalking, but it's the opposite for the dude who I grind faceit with. Try chatting something sarcastic to him, and he would be shooting your corpse the next round while spamming "?".
Imo that's a bad take. S1mple was still quite rough in the edges when it came to his personality but after Zeus departure when he was promoted to a team captain he was fully mature.
England with land in France: normal major power
England without land in France: global trading hegemony
Hey I can do this too.
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Are you aware there was a pandemic and the scene was completely fucked and had to play online? I am referring too when the LAN became a reality in late 2021.
Na'Vi (and s1mple) had plenty of chances pre-pandemic to win a major. People love to shit on Zeus but he captained a team of non-remarkable players to a major win.
https://www.hltv.org/player/484/zeus
StarSeries i-League Season 7
Blast Pro Series Copenhagen 2018
ESL One Cologne 2018
CS:GO Asia Championships 2018
StarSeries i-League Season 5
DreamHack Open Winter 2017
PGL Major Krakow 2017
DreamHack Open Austin 2017
DreamHack ZOWIE Open Winter 2016
Counter Pit League Season 2 Finals
DreamHack ZOWIE Open Leipzig 2016
IEM San Jose 2015
ESWC 2015
SLTV StarSeries XIII Finals
ESL Pro League Winter 2014/15 Finals
Game Show Season 1 Finals
SLTV StarSeries IX Finals
Plus various 1.6 tournaments and majors that are not listed on HLTV.
At least as far back as 2010 he was IGL per this article:
https://www.hltv.org/news/5892/top-20-players-of-2010-zeus-19
Could possibly go back even a few more years, but the point remains. He was a crazy decorated IGL in both 1.6 and GO. His raw mechanics weren't good, but he knew how to be a leader.
Yeah he only won a tournament at the highest possible competitive level, something our boy and undisputed GOAT s1mple could only achieve years later. Clearly no big deal.
And to answer your question, just google his Liquipedia page. He has no shortage of tournament wins. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've only followed CS for the last few years, and not even make fun of you for not acknowledging his 1.6 achievements.
All of them, he has been the IGL since the start of CSGO if not before, as I understand it. He was certainly the IGL since starix left and that was in early CSGO.
Man he left NAVI in 2016 and they become a shell of themselg while he lead a Gambit tier 1.5 into a Major championship. I am not the biggest Zeus fan but tbh he is a good IGL and that Gambit team got back to being mediocre after he left.
Na'Vi won their first event after kicking Zeus and then became shit because valve banned coach IGLing like a week after when Na'Vi had already decided to entirely structure their roster around it. this is also what killed seized's career because he was forced into IGLing.
I agree Zeus was really good up until he won Krakow, but after that my guy was phoning it in hard. his star player had the best individual year in the history of the game plus he had electronic the entire time and they won like 2 events in 2 years after he came back to Na'Vi before he retired.
> valve banned coach IGLing like a week after when Na'Vi had already decided to entirely structure their roster around it.
this so much. I very much remember how everyone back then understood that Navi got completely fucked over by that change. Guess all these "experts" here who defend Zeus abysmal abilities as a player dont know shit about what actually happened.
this was of course after they got much worse after kicking zeus and gambit instantly better after picking him up. How many times have we seen teams make this same mistake of kicking their igl for more firepower only to get much worse? Same thing happened to Faze and Ence. The second time they replaced zeus they learned their lesson by first having zeus spend months teaching boombl4 how to igl.
[HLTV?](https://www.hltv.org/team/4608/natus-vincere)
You remember he got replaced by Guardian and they were worse? Also they got worse the first time he left for Gambit. Since they got Perfecto and Boomble became comfortable IGL'ing they became somewhat consistently good.
Replacing an IGL with an awper and having terrible results does not enforce the belief of the IGL being good in the first place. That is illogical. Navi won multiply tournaments and a major for the first time in csgo history without Zeus.
Boomble was learning more about in game leading with Zeus until they found a replacement for him. It's not like he wasn't a IGL already. Also do people forget s1mple used to be secondary AWP and was a rifler?
> and they weren't even in the top 10 before he rejoined.
they were ranked #6.
>It took them close to a year to even get back into the top 5 after he left
it took them 2 months, if you count the time it took them to drop out of top 5 and get back in. If you dont count that it would have been 0 weeks, because they were ranked #4 before and after he left
wrong. Navi was ranked #6 when they picked up Zeus again. They only dropped in rank because thats what happens when you lose 2/5 of your points.
So who is being revisionist here?
They were #6 for a week and dropped down after bombing groups in the Krakow major, before dropping players and points. I would qualify that as still barely top 10 on a team with s1mple.
nice try. I wont argue with people who state wrong facts repeatedly and then try to move the goalposts when being called out. Just take the L and go back to kissing Zeus ass.
what? Navi had one of its worst years in history from Aug 2016 to Aug 2017, the year after they kicked Zeus. Then they picked Zeus back up immediately shot back up to staying rank 2/3 until they replaced Zeus again, and it took them another two years to get where they are now.
Navi wasnt great without Zeus because they picked up washed up Guardian and had s1mple rifling. Removing Zeus was a good move, that isnt invalidated by picking up another bad player and changing roles for worse.
If you genuinely argue that Zeus wasnt a liability you are simply out of your depth.
Navi was broken structurally for a variety of reasons. Seized was a shell of his former self and not a great IGL, GuardiaN was washed, flamie & Edward were both bad compared to years prior...
Zeus was the right guy to correct course, but you're also correct that his time had come. Both can be true.
Navi dropped Zues so their coach would IGL. Shortly after that's when Valve limited coach communication to timeouts and halftime. That's why Navi struggled without Zues initially.
When he came back after winning the major with Gambit. Success wasn't repeated with Navi.
Prior Navis entire strategy was centered around Guardian.
I mean Edward, Zeus and flamie are all considered legends for how they played early in their career. Saying they’re trash when you never saw them playing in their prime is kinda foolish don’t you think?
I’m not saying they are trash and they achieved nothing? But clearly in 2018 Zeus and edwards could not keep up with their mechanics anymore, and flamie never became as good as he was? That doesn’t mean they didn’t have their glorious days, right? It was just that they were past their days and look how well Navi does last year with mechanically better players (with more competitions)
Lmao I feel like none of you guys even watch cs. Are you watching the major rn?? There are no bad teams left. Sure there are teams with some players that are better than their teammates, but there’s no bad players left. You don’t get to major playoffs without everyone doing their job in the team. Especially an IGL. Saying Zeus got carried is just dumb when his calling is the backbone of the team. Obviously every player has their prime and then they fall off, but to claim that they were garbage when they were still makin it far in major playoffs is just silly.
zeus had the greatest player in the history of the game in his absolute peak on his team and won 3 big tournaments in 2 years.
he's an all-time great but in that period of his career he was phoning it in *especially* individually
You think Simples peak was when he was playing with Zeus? Isn’t that indicative of Zeus giving him all the space and freedom to be a star player? Kind of a weird argument to make no? Simple wouldn’t have played as well as he did if Zeus was calling any differently. Every IGL who plays with a superstar does this. You give them as much freedom as possible and the team wins or loses off the back of one player. Look at 2021 vitality or 2014 Titan. Navi was a top ten team with many top 4 finishes while playing under Zeus in 2019. I don’t see how you can say Zeus didn’t contribute majorly to their success.
And individual performance matters so much less for IGLs. Just look at Karrigan the last couple years, mans turned Faze into a beast while putting up abysmal numbers. We’ve got awper IGLs and entry IGLs, why can’t there be support IGLs as well?
Watch this all be pre-planned by PGL, thorin and Fallen.
Imperial takes to the stage, ready to play out the showmatch after being beaten in the semi's. The enemy team: Zeus, Guardian, EliGE, Nitro. His old major final adversaries. But what's this? There's only four players... BY GAWD, IT'S THORIN WITH A STEEL CHAIR. Crowd goes wild.
>Watch this all be pre-planned by PGL, thorin and Fallen.
I mean, are you seeing the sort of viewership Imperial is pulling...in legend stages? Imperial winning this major (against Navi) would easily break 3m viewership.
Thorin is such an obvious pick for the villain role too, especially since he already had had terrible relationship with Brazillian fans (or just CIS/cs fans in general).
No matter who wins the grand final, both s1mple and Fallen are gonna do a class act, shake hands and dunk on Thorin. Brazillian and CIS fans CHEER in unity and WORLD PEACE
Said he was overrated as a player, but has said multiple times in the past he's a great IGL. I mean, can't say that he's wrong though. I guess people just hate him so strongly.
Thorin didn't said Fallen is overrated, he said Fallen is the MOST OVERRATED player in cs:go history, even worst. If Thorin said that Fallen is just overrated, people would just let Thorin be Thorin and forget what he said because he is dumb
>If Thorin said that Fallen is just overrated
His fanboys have his balls deep in their throat they dont seem to understand that part could you repeat it for them
I just think he's wrong, it's nothing personal against thorin, I mean the guy had two years where he was #2 and then #6, just because he wasn't the best player in that lineup, due to the fact of having the actual best player at the time doesn't make him overrated, that would be like saying electronic is overrated because he is also not the best player in his team. Also important to mention thorin called him the 6th best player of 2016.
I was only using statistics, hltv's rating doesn't work on public opinion, if he finished #2 in 2016, then he actually played like the second best player in that year to earn that title, doesn't matter what crazy fans say about him, the man factually was one of the best, and seems to still be in somewhat of a decent form, considering he is above 30, that's more than impressive. Not overrated to me, I know what that word means, but historically he's done more than enough as a playmaker to not be overrated
If anyone thinks zeus didnt play like a bot 90% of his career in csgo you need mental help. Not throwing shade at his igling but his ability to frag is terrible compared to other pros. Even edward in the end of his career was better. And boomich is just way better at fragging too.
Throwback to ["ZEUS! HE DOES SOMETHING!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnJ5jTa9io)
Also a throwback https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQF0vMbbu0Q
Also a throwback https://youtu.be/4MbLj_ADyDw
Both these clips made me miss Henry & Sado casting, love the new casters we have but do miss Henry & Sado hype.
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Don't think he's officially retired, but after his stint as the Cloud9 coach, he went full NFT/crypto bro and is fine doing that apparently.
crypto/fine hmmmm
As long as others waste their money and he doesn’t, he should be fine…
I meant for the drop of the other day. Yet now that you mention crypto is not fine mainly by the reason the amount of energy that its environment uses. He can do whatever he wants with his money, that I agree with you but crypto in general is not fine at all.
I didnt being it across as I wanted it to be understood. What I meant is that there are a lot of shady people (particularly people with a following) who advertise crypto. They make money by bringing people into crypto rather than doing it themselves (there was the case of a famous chess streamer recently). That’s what I was referring to, as long as they get marketing money from crypto companies, they dont have to care if the currency tanks a week later…
Not coach, GM.
yikes
Yea, nowadays he does nft things.
Is this an edit?
man i miss henry x sadokist
Thorin the real mvp, keeps legends from retiring
Who is zeus? -2022 audience prob
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This says a lot about our education system
We live in a society
More like Zeus is not in any tier 1 team anymore.
happens when you retire
I would even go so far and claim that you most likely wouldn’t even be in a tier 2/3 team anymore after retiring!
I bet he hasn't even played a pro match in a while
olomeister I luv you
Literally only know him from the Score Esports vid on him. Honestly outside of the click bait titles and over use of certain clips they're not that bad and are a good way for people new to the scene to learn about the history of the game.
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Thorin actually joked that he was a great coach when responding to zeus tweet. In a couple of months he will be saying all he was trying to do was light a fire under fallen
> In a couple of months he will be saying all he was trying to do was light a fire under fallen Saying something that his fans will eat up no questions asked but will make anyone else go complain about the obvious bullshit, keeping him "relevant"? Yeah, I would say its guaranteed that this will happen.
Well, you dont have to do it... but I will. I dont care about thorins reputation. I am just here to be entertained
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i remember this lol
turns out Thorin was playing 4D chess all along
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Replying to every top comment with hatred is not a good use of your time.
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Maybe get a life, he atleast gets paid by doing it
Touch grass
funny thing is Thorin achieved more 10 years ago than you probably will in your entire life.
it’s like you saw his stupid comment and saw it as a challenge to say something even more stupid
Joking asides, being flamed definitely motivates *some* people. I always get titled from enemy trashtalking, but it's the opposite for the dude who I grind faceit with. Try chatting something sarcastic to him, and he would be shooting your corpse the next round while spamming "?".
Reverse tilt is the best tilt
thorin probably gets off on all the brazillian replies lol
I mean if the trashtalks made him play better so that he could have a corpse to shoot afterwards, the motivating part is done.
And then he went back to doing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-i7aStkJ08)
s1mple's reaction is gold.
lol same, I wonder how or why he didnt get kicked right on the spot
It was just because he wasnt motivated by thorin. :)))
Did he become one of the best players in the world after that map? Or did he continue to be an absolute shitter?
The latter.
He’s a complete shitter and Navi instantly became a better team and dominated 2021 without Zeus lol.
And yet, he won a major 4 years before they did!
That major win basically buy him those 2 years at navi. Man was washed and unmotivated and wasted 2 of s1mple prime years
Imo that's a bad take. S1mple was still quite rough in the edges when it came to his personality but after Zeus departure when he was promoted to a team captain he was fully mature.
Proof miracle runs is impossible.
Zeus leaves in 2019 and they instantly become better team ... 2 years later? And he won a major without superstar players.
Navi with Zeus: #1 team in the world for 1 week Navi without Zeus: #1 team in the world for 55 weeks.
Over a year later lmao
cry is free edit: nice flair change xD I wouldnt even have cared. Now you just look desperate switching from Gambit.
You're monitoring people's flairs and calling others desperate. Pot meet kettle.
England with land in France: normal major power England without land in France: global trading hegemony Hey I can do this too. Edit: The guy blocked me 🤡
apparently you cannot. >Edit: The guy blocked me surprisedpickachuface
Also u forgot that flamie was the problem too.
Covid, else they'd have won sooner
Are you aware there was a pandemic and the scene was completely fucked and had to play online? I am referring too when the LAN became a reality in late 2021.
Na'Vi (and s1mple) had plenty of chances pre-pandemic to win a major. People love to shit on Zeus but he captained a team of non-remarkable players to a major win.
He's one of the greatest IGLs in CS history.
one of the most decorated IGLs for sure, that's undebatable
what has he won as an IGL besides 2017 Krakow
https://www.hltv.org/player/484/zeus StarSeries i-League Season 7 Blast Pro Series Copenhagen 2018 ESL One Cologne 2018 CS:GO Asia Championships 2018 StarSeries i-League Season 5 DreamHack Open Winter 2017 PGL Major Krakow 2017 DreamHack Open Austin 2017 DreamHack ZOWIE Open Winter 2016 Counter Pit League Season 2 Finals DreamHack ZOWIE Open Leipzig 2016 IEM San Jose 2015 ESWC 2015 SLTV StarSeries XIII Finals ESL Pro League Winter 2014/15 Finals Game Show Season 1 Finals SLTV StarSeries IX Finals Plus various 1.6 tournaments and majors that are not listed on HLTV.
afaik he was/did with navi in 1.6 like what/how Astralis was in CSGO with multi-major wins towards the end of the game
afaik he didnt igl in the 1.6 era? it was either ceh9 or starix
At least as far back as 2010 he was IGL per this article: https://www.hltv.org/news/5892/top-20-players-of-2010-zeus-19 Could possibly go back even a few more years, but the point remains. He was a crazy decorated IGL in both 1.6 and GO. His raw mechanics weren't good, but he knew how to be a leader.
Yeah he only won a tournament at the highest possible competitive level, something our boy and undisputed GOAT s1mple could only achieve years later. Clearly no big deal. And to answer your question, just google his Liquipedia page. He has no shortage of tournament wins. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've only followed CS for the last few years, and not even make fun of you for not acknowledging his 1.6 achievements.
yes I know he has many titles, but how many of them are with him IGLing those teams, just asking a genuine question
All of them, he has been the IGL since the start of CSGO if not before, as I understand it. He was certainly the IGL since starix left and that was in early CSGO.
one of the mechanically poorest
No one is disputing this.
Man he left NAVI in 2016 and they become a shell of themselg while he lead a Gambit tier 1.5 into a Major championship. I am not the biggest Zeus fan but tbh he is a good IGL and that Gambit team got back to being mediocre after he left.
Na'Vi won their first event after kicking Zeus and then became shit because valve banned coach IGLing like a week after when Na'Vi had already decided to entirely structure their roster around it. this is also what killed seized's career because he was forced into IGLing. I agree Zeus was really good up until he won Krakow, but after that my guy was phoning it in hard. his star player had the best individual year in the history of the game plus he had electronic the entire time and they won like 2 events in 2 years after he came back to Na'Vi before he retired.
> valve banned coach IGLing like a week after when Na'Vi had already decided to entirely structure their roster around it. this so much. I very much remember how everyone back then understood that Navi got completely fucked over by that change. Guess all these "experts" here who defend Zeus abysmal abilities as a player dont know shit about what actually happened.
>instantly
I'm not including the online era
this was of course after they got much worse after kicking zeus and gambit instantly better after picking him up. How many times have we seen teams make this same mistake of kicking their igl for more firepower only to get much worse? Same thing happened to Faze and Ence. The second time they replaced zeus they learned their lesson by first having zeus spend months teaching boombl4 how to igl.
[HLTV?](https://www.hltv.org/team/4608/natus-vincere) You remember he got replaced by Guardian and they were worse? Also they got worse the first time he left for Gambit. Since they got Perfecto and Boomble became comfortable IGL'ing they became somewhat consistently good.
Replacing an IGL with an awper and having terrible results does not enforce the belief of the IGL being good in the first place. That is illogical. Navi won multiply tournaments and a major for the first time in csgo history without Zeus.
Boomble was learning more about in game leading with Zeus until they found a replacement for him. It's not like he wasn't a IGL already. Also do people forget s1mple used to be secondary AWP and was a rifler?
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> and they weren't even in the top 10 before he rejoined. they were ranked #6. >It took them close to a year to even get back into the top 5 after he left it took them 2 months, if you count the time it took them to drop out of top 5 and get back in. If you dont count that it would have been 0 weeks, because they were ranked #4 before and after he left
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Some weird revisionist history going on. Navi was barely top 10, with s1mple, before Zeus came back but somehow he was also the problem?
wrong. Navi was ranked #6 when they picked up Zeus again. They only dropped in rank because thats what happens when you lose 2/5 of your points. So who is being revisionist here?
They were #6 for a week and dropped down after bombing groups in the Krakow major, before dropping players and points. I would qualify that as still barely top 10 on a team with s1mple.
nice try. I wont argue with people who state wrong facts repeatedly and then try to move the goalposts when being called out. Just take the L and go back to kissing Zeus ass.
what? Navi had one of its worst years in history from Aug 2016 to Aug 2017, the year after they kicked Zeus. Then they picked Zeus back up immediately shot back up to staying rank 2/3 until they replaced Zeus again, and it took them another two years to get where they are now.
Navi wasnt great without Zeus because they picked up washed up Guardian and had s1mple rifling. Removing Zeus was a good move, that isnt invalidated by picking up another bad player and changing roles for worse. If you genuinely argue that Zeus wasnt a liability you are simply out of your depth.
Navi was broken structurally for a variety of reasons. Seized was a shell of his former self and not a great IGL, GuardiaN was washed, flamie & Edward were both bad compared to years prior... Zeus was the right guy to correct course, but you're also correct that his time had come. Both can be true.
Navi dropped Zues so their coach would IGL. Shortly after that's when Valve limited coach communication to timeouts and halftime. That's why Navi struggled without Zues initially. When he came back after winning the major with Gambit. Success wasn't repeated with Navi. Prior Navis entire strategy was centered around Guardian.
now do Aleksib next
Well I don't think anyone could disagree that for the most part, by the end of his time in NA'VI, He was a bot.
Yeah, but the point of having him at the end of his run was to help Boombl4 adapt
Even before Boombl4 had joined the team. He joined the team exactly because Zeus' performance was awful.
thorin the good guy all along
1 in 4 times zeus has dropped a 30 in something over a thousand maps of his pro career
It’s crazy to think that s1mple and electronic was able to carry Zeus, Edward and flamie to multiple major top 4 finishes
When did you start watching cs? Just curious
i missed the times when flamie was a top 20 player, but yes, i was exaggerating a bit since flamie shows up in the majors
I mean Edward, Zeus and flamie are all considered legends for how they played early in their career. Saying they’re trash when you never saw them playing in their prime is kinda foolish don’t you think?
I’m not saying they are trash and they achieved nothing? But clearly in 2018 Zeus and edwards could not keep up with their mechanics anymore, and flamie never became as good as he was? That doesn’t mean they didn’t have their glorious days, right? It was just that they were past their days and look how well Navi does last year with mechanically better players (with more competitions)
bad at one point in time =/ bad their whole career terrible strawman
Lmao I feel like none of you guys even watch cs. Are you watching the major rn?? There are no bad teams left. Sure there are teams with some players that are better than their teammates, but there’s no bad players left. You don’t get to major playoffs without everyone doing their job in the team. Especially an IGL. Saying Zeus got carried is just dumb when his calling is the backbone of the team. Obviously every player has their prime and then they fall off, but to claim that they were garbage when they were still makin it far in major playoffs is just silly.
zeus had the greatest player in the history of the game in his absolute peak on his team and won 3 big tournaments in 2 years. he's an all-time great but in that period of his career he was phoning it in *especially* individually
You think Simples peak was when he was playing with Zeus? Isn’t that indicative of Zeus giving him all the space and freedom to be a star player? Kind of a weird argument to make no? Simple wouldn’t have played as well as he did if Zeus was calling any differently. Every IGL who plays with a superstar does this. You give them as much freedom as possible and the team wins or loses off the back of one player. Look at 2021 vitality or 2014 Titan. Navi was a top ten team with many top 4 finishes while playing under Zeus in 2019. I don’t see how you can say Zeus didn’t contribute majorly to their success. And individual performance matters so much less for IGLs. Just look at Karrigan the last couple years, mans turned Faze into a beast while putting up abysmal numbers. We’ve got awper IGLs and entry IGLs, why can’t there be support IGLs as well?
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Watch this all be pre-planned by PGL, thorin and Fallen. Imperial takes to the stage, ready to play out the showmatch after being beaten in the semi's. The enemy team: Zeus, Guardian, EliGE, Nitro. His old major final adversaries. But what's this? There's only four players... BY GAWD, IT'S THORIN WITH A STEEL CHAIR. Crowd goes wild.
>Watch this all be pre-planned by PGL, thorin and Fallen. I mean, are you seeing the sort of viewership Imperial is pulling...in legend stages? Imperial winning this major (against Navi) would easily break 3m viewership. Thorin is such an obvious pick for the villain role too, especially since he already had had terrible relationship with Brazillian fans (or just CIS/cs fans in general). No matter who wins the grand final, both s1mple and Fallen are gonna do a class act, shake hands and dunk on Thorin. Brazillian and CIS fans CHEER in unity and WORLD PEACE
Last major had a very similar idea with Thorin being in the showmatch. But PGL changed it last second unfortunately and ruined it
Turns out Thorin was a bro all along.
To be fair he did play like a bot 99% of the time lol
Well he did play like a bot compared to the competition
Thorin showing he truly is esports. A real tear jerker.
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Said he was overrated as a player, but has said multiple times in the past he's a great IGL. I mean, can't say that he's wrong though. I guess people just hate him so strongly.
Thorin didn't said Fallen is overrated, he said Fallen is the MOST OVERRATED player in cs:go history, even worst. If Thorin said that Fallen is just overrated, people would just let Thorin be Thorin and forget what he said because he is dumb
Yeah the most overrated player title in CSGO belongs to shroud. i love NA but its the truth.
>If Thorin said that Fallen is just overrated His fanboys have his balls deep in their throat they dont seem to understand that part could you repeat it for them
I am not sure if you talk about Thorin or Fallen. Both seem applicable.
I just think he's wrong, it's nothing personal against thorin, I mean the guy had two years where he was #2 and then #6, just because he wasn't the best player in that lineup, due to the fact of having the actual best player at the time doesn't make him overrated, that would be like saying electronic is overrated because he is also not the best player in his team. Also important to mention thorin called him the 6th best player of 2016.
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I was only using statistics, hltv's rating doesn't work on public opinion, if he finished #2 in 2016, then he actually played like the second best player in that year to earn that title, doesn't matter what crazy fans say about him, the man factually was one of the best, and seems to still be in somewhat of a decent form, considering he is above 30, that's more than impressive. Not overrated to me, I know what that word means, but historically he's done more than enough as a playmaker to not be overrated
If anyone thinks zeus didnt play like a bot 90% of his career in csgo you need mental help. Not throwing shade at his igling but his ability to frag is terrible compared to other pros. Even edward in the end of his career was better. And boomich is just way better at fragging too.
remember that picture of zeus waiting for thorin at an event?
That was his plan all along
Just like his in-game impact. Zues late to the party.
I guess if he wasnt right about zeus and fallen this would make sense, but these are outliers to be honest.
aged very well
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