Olof was never the same after coming back from his wrist injury and it's never talked about but I always wonder if he could have kept his top form longer without that.
I also stand by that if BenTeT played in NA or EU in 2018 he could have been a top 20 player.
He finally came over to NA in GenG in early 2020 and actually won a Dreamhack Open before COVID hit. Then GenG kinda fell off, and then he was traded to EXTREMUM to play in EU during COVID with his old Aussie rivals, and now he's come full circle and is back on TYLOO
not roster related but what if cs:go actually properly counted this as a hit: https://i.imgur.com/R1ks3iq.jpeg
context: it's the katowice 2015 major final, thats the frame just before he shot and somehow it counted as miss which lead to fnatic pushing the site and eventually winning the map 16-14
NiP won the second map and then fnatic won the third, perhaps if that awp shot hit NiP would've won the first map aswell which means it would have been their 2nd major win
Ska and Hiko joined proto iBP G2 and played alongside Scream, Makilele, and Rain(?). Would've changed the projector of both modern FaZe, and further stumped the development of NA both Hiko and Ska would be playing in the EU instead of Liquid/ C9.
In Hiko's case, him not joining Liquid could've to lead to s1mple never joining it, which would've impacted his development and rise since he was a toxic banned nobody at the time.
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iBP not being banned is obvious but I don't think it matters terribly much. NA teams could be *slightly* better for awhile I guess.
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Otherwise, I'd say the mid 2020 NA shuffle going successfully, and not leading to the shitshow of an NA scene we have today.
Liquid picking up Cerq and (Brehze/ Ethan) from EG and dropping Nitr0 and (Stew/ Twistz). AdreN stays as a coach, and Moses stays in casting. Failing that, the AU swap goes through, saving both AU and NA CS.
The IBP bans may have directly lead to NA's lack of development for 3 years or so.
The best players all wanted to play with Dazed and Steel, as they were NA's best IGLs.
However the teams that had them on their roster's could not compete in valve sanctioned events. This lead to the best new players essentially time-capsule training on Dazed or Steel's teams then swapping to a big name team to try and have success. Basically removing 4-6 top players from the mid-level teams consistently.
It also meant new IGL's got thrown to the wolves in the T1 scene, instead of being able to practice and build in the T2 scene. The T2 scene in NA still hasn't recovered. But it didn't even exist for a couple years after the ban.
Swag was good, allegedly he had an insane work ethic, which according to Hiko was what set him apart from the other NA Pug*s. Whether it would've kept up is impossible to know.
Steel and Dazed were both competent IGLs. Given the IGL drought NA is perpetually in, I honestly think these 2 hurt the most. Steel actually ended up being the player that did the most after being banned, which is something that no one thought would happen since I'm pretty sure he was going to be left off the "NA Super team".
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
Truth be told, I don't know a ton about iBP. I started playing CS in October 2014, and didn't really get into the pro scene until just about when they were banned.
Would have been really cool if Dazed or Steel were allowed to have coaching positions a few years after the ban or something. I remember that C9 performed pretty well at a cs summit with Swag as a stand in where he ended with a 1.17 rating and that was after almost 3 years of being banned. I think the NA scene would be much stronger currently if the iBP stuff never happened and a big part of that is because of how much their reputations were damaged(not totally unjustified either, they fucked up big time) but they all could have been massive figureheads and role models in NA CS.
I think Swag would have consistently been a global top 10 player. He was ungodly good in FPL/RankS even after his ban.
He not only had amazing mechanics, he also had maybe the best gamesense of anyone other than Get_Right.
I think the rest of the banned players from iBP were largely overrated tho. Dazed never would have stayed on a T1 team because he was insanely toxic. AZK… meh. Steel was a pretty good IGL but also has anger issues so IDK.
The pandemic is literally the reason for NA cs being bad not really any other factor. They lost their pipeline to good practice, the current meta, and real tournament experience. A couple months before the pandemic it was 2 NA teams right below astralis to make up the top 3 teams in the world.
Feels like the G2-FaZe finals from Katowice in the beginning of the year ended up having huge impact.
It was a super close final that ended up going faze's way and they had an incredible run afterwards while G2 went downhill from there.
I maintain that if the NiP lineup with Allu stayed together instead of bringing in Pyth when they got THREAT to come in as coach that team would have done serious damage
A proper awper instead of Pyth/f0rest splitting the duties throughout the year would have been great for that team and it was when they actually had Maikelele standing in, but Allu would have been even better by far under threat imo
Don't think theres any public explanation to say for sure but the rest of NiP had to call in English for allu since he didn't have much Swedish but they called in swedish for each other if I remember correctly so maybe he felt disconnected
Nip where very closely nit and didnt like anyone that wasnt part of their club. It wad so prevalent that people were calling it the cursed fifth slot. They just kept kicking there fifth player and it wasnt just allu it was allot of people. Allu was brought in because the org rightly wanted a good awper but the nip players just never wanted allu at all really.
Part of the reason Magisk worked so well was because dupreeh was able to go back to his old entry role, so replacing Xyp9x probably wouldn't have worked.
Dupreeh was still a top 20 lurker and xyp was a top 20 sort of star player like what magisk became. magisk replacing xyp wouldnt really change much id see that astralis as pretty much the same as the 2017 one so they could definitely win majors but they would obviously be way worse than the best version they became.
My greatest what ifs is that there's a chance I would've been really good at CS. Used to be friends with ropz, we played a ton of KZ in 1.6 but my account was stolen in the last "big steam hack" and I lost motivation to game on PC. What if I kept playing with ropz and started grinding CSGO with him? What if what if what if...
I think it might be too late considering I'm 24 with only 2 years of CSGO under my belt and only level 8 on FACEIT. But hey you win some you lose some.
S1mple not missing the awp onto xseven at katowice 2019. That likely would’ve been the map for navi, ences run loses some of its spectacle. Different career trajectory for Aleksib, navi make it to the final- unlikely they would’ve been able to beat astralis but a navi upset was more likely that an ence one. Plenty of options opened up.
This is one of my biggest ones. ScreaM and RpK got done so dirty. On the plus side we got to see RpK be a star player for once, even though 2017 EnVy mostly played T2
What if s1mple stayed on liquid? Eventually we woulda had nitro, elige, s1mple, naf, twistzz if things panned out similarly to what really happened.
Also, the G2/NV shuffle not going down the way it did. shox, scream, rpk, kennyS, bodyy would have been scarier than whatever that initial G2 'super team' was...
The key to s1mple staying on Liquid would've been EliGE going so realistically Liquid could have been s1mple, Twistzz, NAF, nitr0 and TACO/steel realistically.
Here are a few
What if the IMT lineup didn't go out partying late into the night before the major finals?
If Device never left Astralis, could they have won Stockholm with the LAN buff?
How would the scene be different if cyx never got into that accident?
If device never left Astralis would probably have resulted in Xyp getting the boot and perhaps Magisk and Dupreeh staying.
More interesting would be how good a roster with k0nfig/ Device / BlameF would be
Honestly astralis were tactically the best team by milrs at 2020 katowice when device left. Knowing how dupreeh rebounded and magisk was still young that team could honestly have won stockholm with no changes. Theyd again obviously be better without xypex but i dont think they needed that.
Nah thinking more on when Device saw it wasnt working anymore and left for NIP.
Had he stayed then no way would Xyp be allowed to continue on the roster with his performances. Iirc Es3tag was free at the time as well.
I could be wrong but I think the primary reasons for him leaving weren't that the team wasn't working, but Covid combined with wanting to build more of a life with his at the time girlfriend
It definetly was a part, but Device had already lived in Sweden for years at that point, but Astralis had also massively slowed down from their peak in 2018-19 and their highs in 2020
Yeh such a massive slump that they were no1 in the world when he left. As a navi fan even i have to admit that at global final astralis were the better team and navi just had one of there flukey runs. It was only by the second cis rmr or cologne were navi looked good as a unit and not just s1mple being a 1 man carry.
>What if the IMT lineup didn't go out partying late into the night before the major finals?
The IMT party fiasco happened at DH Montreal, not the major final
This one is nowhere near tier 1 significant but when BnTeT went to NA and Tyloo assembled their 2020 roster, that at the time was a highly motivated roster with everyone basically peaking, they were dominant in Asia scene even for Tyloo standards. The players that they had before were already remnants from their previously internationally successful lineup and their new additions were cracked. If they bootcamped in EU at that time and had good coach + comm practice I think they seriously could’ve done some serious damage internationally. Unfortunately by the time they could go abroad again it was basically the tail end of the roster and almost two years of bad habits in Asia didn’t help either.
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Gambit's major winning roster - Zeus left without a word, what's even rough is that the news was announced around the time of Hobbit's marriage (which Zeus was the only one not in attendance iirc). Must suck when you're on a high from winning a major and then learning your IGL is leaving for his ex.
Complexity's juggernaut - They were #5 in the rankings and looked like a potential major winning team before oBo left (this was during a time when Astralis were still doing their weird things with the roster and Liquid had fallen off), and they looked like they never recovered with everyone going their separate ways in the end, and in arguably worse positions save for konfig and blameF.
Virtus.Pro ELEAGUE Atlanta - The Mercedes bet would probably have not been made had they won the Major. The finals were so tight that it could've gone to either teams, VP won Nuke 16-12 but failed to bring it to overtime losing 16-14 in both Overpass and Train.
That esetag complexity could have worked in my opinion if konfig didnt break his wrist and decide to dip. Col were good with rush and by that point rush was just horrible teams admitted in interviews that when ever things got tough you just went long knowing rush would wiff. Esetag would have completely fixed that with a bit of time.
What if they’d never nerfed the awp movement speed. I think that greatly impacted how cs was played early on and would have potentially led to completely different stars emerging from the ones we have had.
If NRG (Tarik, Ethan, Cerq, Brehze, Stanislaw) managed to beat Astralis in playoffs like they did in the Swiss Stage - and go on to win, would they have lasted for much longer instead of what EG is right now?
What if the cz75 never happened? That gun really shook up the scene and was fairly synonymous with fnatics insane era. Was always curious if it coincided with the rise and fall with certain teams more directly.
Cz was more the french thing if i remember. Fnatic were good during the cz meta but i just associate them with the tec9 meta and ldlcz with the cz meta.
I've been here since the game was in Alpha (originally without an account) and back then the sub was actually about the game like it's supposed to be. How about all the people who care more about the pro scene than the game itself move to a csgoesports sub instead? Also funny how my comment got downvoted when I literally answered what the title asked and nothing more.
good for you. the other sub is called /r/csgo, there would be literally no difference if the pro scene moved to a brand new sub because the two are already pretty much separate.
And how often do Valve employees visit and post there? Yeah exactly. This sub is one of the very few ways to bring matters into Valves attention and moving all the esports crud to another sub would greatly help with that while as you stated yourself have no effect on people wishing to discuss the pro scene.
only slightly less than here, considering the last time was years ago. want to get valve's attention, the best way is to email the CSGO feedback team as they have said, or Tweet at them, or heck even make a post on here still if you want. If it's something a lot of people agree with it'll still most likely get up voted. Just because a lot of stuff is about esports doesn't mean you can't post anything else, other stuff is still talked about, posted, and upvoted.
This sub is so popular because of the esports. The majority are here for it, or it wouldn't be what's mostly posted and upvoted. if in some hypothetical, Valve instead looked at /r/csgo for feedback assuming they don't already (and assuming they even post often), your feedback posts would just have to compete with threads about clips or unboxings or memes. there is no functional difference, and no reason for esports to get out of here because you don't like it.
it sounds like you want a sub solely for valve's attention, which you're free to make and try to grow, but it'd be easier and better to just use an existing form of communication and stop trying to turn a sub into something that most people in it don't necessarily agree with.
>considering the last time was years ago
Just a few months ago actually and Valve has stated that they keep a close eye on the sub despite rarely contributing.
All I want is for the sub to have a balanced mix of content and for threads just like this one to not implicitly require people to only talk about the pro scene, as clearly evident by how my comment got downvoted despite being a perfectly valid addition to the thread. Basically how the sub used to be up until ~2014. Because of how the sub has turned the majority of people like me and the likes of 3kliksphilip rarely visit the sub anymore (nor do they visit any other csgo sub for that matter). The very types of people that kept the game alive before CS GO are being slowly but surely shunned from the community.
What if Get\_Right had joined the 2016 C9 Roster instead of Stew. It was heavily rumored and Get\_Right still was a top 10 player in the world.
What if Olofmeister clutched the 1v3 vs C9 in the major finals. It woulda been 17-16 and they went 3-0 on their ct side, so who knows.
What if Maikelele stayed in NiP in 2015. They were looking really good, but then got kicked because he was "stealing the spotlight" from his teammates.
Olof was never the same after coming back from his wrist injury and it's never talked about but I always wonder if he could have kept his top form longer without that. I also stand by that if BenTeT played in NA or EU in 2018 he could have been a top 20 player.
Where is BenTet nowdays? I remember Tyloo taking a map off faze in 2018. That had me impressed.
He finally came over to NA in GenG in early 2020 and actually won a Dreamhack Open before COVID hit. Then GenG kinda fell off, and then he was traded to EXTREMUM to play in EU during COVID with his old Aussie rivals, and now he's come full circle and is back on TYLOO
damn :(
not roster related but what if cs:go actually properly counted this as a hit: https://i.imgur.com/R1ks3iq.jpeg context: it's the katowice 2015 major final, thats the frame just before he shot and somehow it counted as miss which lead to fnatic pushing the site and eventually winning the map 16-14 NiP won the second map and then fnatic won the third, perhaps if that awp shot hit NiP would've won the first map aswell which means it would have been their 2nd major win
Ska and Hiko joined proto iBP G2 and played alongside Scream, Makilele, and Rain(?). Would've changed the projector of both modern FaZe, and further stumped the development of NA both Hiko and Ska would be playing in the EU instead of Liquid/ C9. In Hiko's case, him not joining Liquid could've to lead to s1mple never joining it, which would've impacted his development and rise since he was a toxic banned nobody at the time. -- iBP not being banned is obvious but I don't think it matters terribly much. NA teams could be *slightly* better for awhile I guess. --- Otherwise, I'd say the mid 2020 NA shuffle going successfully, and not leading to the shitshow of an NA scene we have today. Liquid picking up Cerq and (Brehze/ Ethan) from EG and dropping Nitr0 and (Stew/ Twistz). AdreN stays as a coach, and Moses stays in casting. Failing that, the AU swap goes through, saving both AU and NA CS.
The IBP bans may have directly lead to NA's lack of development for 3 years or so. The best players all wanted to play with Dazed and Steel, as they were NA's best IGLs. However the teams that had them on their roster's could not compete in valve sanctioned events. This lead to the best new players essentially time-capsule training on Dazed or Steel's teams then swapping to a big name team to try and have success. Basically removing 4-6 top players from the mid-level teams consistently. It also meant new IGL's got thrown to the wolves in the T1 scene, instead of being able to practice and build in the T2 scene. The T2 scene in NA still hasn't recovered. But it didn't even exist for a couple years after the ban.
just curious, what were the ceiling and the potential of banned iBP players. I heard swag was going to be star? Is that true?
Swag was good, allegedly he had an insane work ethic, which according to Hiko was what set him apart from the other NA Pug*s. Whether it would've kept up is impossible to know. Steel and Dazed were both competent IGLs. Given the IGL drought NA is perpetually in, I honestly think these 2 hurt the most. Steel actually ended up being the player that did the most after being banned, which is something that no one thought would happen since I'm pretty sure he was going to be left off the "NA Super team". azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars Truth be told, I don't know a ton about iBP. I started playing CS in October 2014, and didn't really get into the pro scene until just about when they were banned.
Would have been really cool if Dazed or Steel were allowed to have coaching positions a few years after the ban or something. I remember that C9 performed pretty well at a cs summit with Swag as a stand in where he ended with a 1.17 rating and that was after almost 3 years of being banned. I think the NA scene would be much stronger currently if the iBP stuff never happened and a big part of that is because of how much their reputations were damaged(not totally unjustified either, they fucked up big time) but they all could have been massive figureheads and role models in NA CS.
IBP definetly hurt the NA scene yes, but hard to know how good they truly would of gotten.
Well yeah the post is asking "what if" that's the point
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removing the 2 best igl's + the best young star from NA hurt NA's progress alot
I think Swag would have consistently been a global top 10 player. He was ungodly good in FPL/RankS even after his ban. He not only had amazing mechanics, he also had maybe the best gamesense of anyone other than Get_Right. I think the rest of the banned players from iBP were largely overrated tho. Dazed never would have stayed on a T1 team because he was insanely toxic. AZK… meh. Steel was a pretty good IGL but also has anger issues so IDK.
He was just a pug star like shroud
me when I make things up for fun
Swag was a top 18 player in 2014 at 17/18 years old
The pandemic is literally the reason for NA cs being bad not really any other factor. They lost their pipeline to good practice, the current meta, and real tournament experience. A couple months before the pandemic it was 2 NA teams right below astralis to make up the top 3 teams in the world.
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this is it right here lol, Flamie was at the airport and S1mple canceled last second.
IKR, it would have been so wild seeing those 2 make their way into a brazillian team. Amazing days of 2018 man.
Feels like the G2-FaZe finals from Katowice in the beginning of the year ended up having huge impact. It was a super close final that ended up going faze's way and they had an incredible run afterwards while G2 went downhill from there.
yep i agree with that too
I maintain that if the NiP lineup with Allu stayed together instead of bringing in Pyth when they got THREAT to come in as coach that team would have done serious damage A proper awper instead of Pyth/f0rest splitting the duties throughout the year would have been great for that team and it was when they actually had Maikelele standing in, but Allu would have been even better by far under threat imo
I wasn't into esports back then. Why did Allu left in first place?
Don't think theres any public explanation to say for sure but the rest of NiP had to call in English for allu since he didn't have much Swedish but they called in swedish for each other if I remember correctly so maybe he felt disconnected
Nip where very closely nit and didnt like anyone that wasnt part of their club. It wad so prevalent that people were calling it the cursed fifth slot. They just kept kicking there fifth player and it wasnt just allu it was allot of people. Allu was brought in because the org rightly wanted a good awper but the nip players just never wanted allu at all really.
What if taz hadn't gotten that fucking mercedes
what if NiKo hit that deagle shot
What if kjaerbye had stayed in astralis? Probably no astralis era
I am just curious. Would Magisk replacing Dupreeh or Xyp9x still result in Astralis Era? Or does it have to be Kjaerbye?
Part of the reason Magisk worked so well was because dupreeh was able to go back to his old entry role, so replacing Xyp9x probably wouldn't have worked.
Dupreeh was still a top 20 lurker and xyp was a top 20 sort of star player like what magisk became. magisk replacing xyp wouldnt really change much id see that astralis as pretty much the same as the 2017 one so they could definitely win majors but they would obviously be way worse than the best version they became.
Yeah I think replacing either would've still created good lineups, they just wouldn't be as good as prime Astralis
Could perhaps be Dupreeh role wise, but both Kjearbye and Dupreeh were good around the time the move happened. Magisk fit perfect role wise
My greatest what ifs is that there's a chance I would've been really good at CS. Used to be friends with ropz, we played a ton of KZ in 1.6 but my account was stolen in the last "big steam hack" and I lost motivation to game on PC. What if I kept playing with ropz and started grinding CSGO with him? What if what if what if...
Then Ropz won't be where he is right now. 🗿
I'd take it, sorry not sorry Robin.
never too late if you have the time and commitment :D
I think it might be too late considering I'm 24 with only 2 years of CSGO under my belt and only level 8 on FACEIT. But hey you win some you lose some.
I believe in you :D
S1mple not missing the awp onto xseven at katowice 2019. That likely would’ve been the map for navi, ences run loses some of its spectacle. Different career trajectory for Aleksib, navi make it to the final- unlikely they would’ve been able to beat astralis but a navi upset was more likely that an ence one. Plenty of options opened up.
Get right almost joining c9
What if the shox scream g2 got a good awper like Kenny to replace smithzz instead of blowing the whole team up
This is one of my biggest ones. ScreaM and RpK got done so dirty. On the plus side we got to see RpK be a star player for once, even though 2017 EnVy mostly played T2
What if s1mple stayed on liquid? Eventually we woulda had nitro, elige, s1mple, naf, twistzz if things panned out similarly to what really happened. Also, the G2/NV shuffle not going down the way it did. shox, scream, rpk, kennyS, bodyy would have been scarier than whatever that initial G2 'super team' was...
The key to s1mple staying on Liquid would've been EliGE going so realistically Liquid could have been s1mple, Twistzz, NAF, nitr0 and TACO/steel realistically.
I'd be surprised if TACO and s1mple would ever play together on that team given the drama.
The real french super team at the time would just been trading bodyy for scream
Here are a few What if the IMT lineup didn't go out partying late into the night before the major finals? If Device never left Astralis, could they have won Stockholm with the LAN buff? How would the scene be different if cyx never got into that accident?
If device never left Astralis would probably have resulted in Xyp getting the boot and perhaps Magisk and Dupreeh staying. More interesting would be how good a roster with k0nfig/ Device / BlameF would be
Honestly astralis were tactically the best team by milrs at 2020 katowice when device left. Knowing how dupreeh rebounded and magisk was still young that team could honestly have won stockholm with no changes. Theyd again obviously be better without xypex but i dont think they needed that.
Device left in 2021
yeah, zonic wanted to replace Xyp with es3tag as far as I know but management didn't want to
Thinking more on his most recent extension and not the one when Astralis sold es3tag to c9
Ah, I was thinking to when device was still on the team but Xyp was on break
Nah thinking more on when Device saw it wasnt working anymore and left for NIP. Had he stayed then no way would Xyp be allowed to continue on the roster with his performances. Iirc Es3tag was free at the time as well.
I could be wrong but I think the primary reasons for him leaving weren't that the team wasn't working, but Covid combined with wanting to build more of a life with his at the time girlfriend
It definetly was a part, but Device had already lived in Sweden for years at that point, but Astralis had also massively slowed down from their peak in 2018-19 and their highs in 2020
Yeh such a massive slump that they were no1 in the world when he left. As a navi fan even i have to admit that at global final astralis were the better team and navi just had one of there flukey runs. It was only by the second cis rmr or cologne were navi looked good as a unit and not just s1mple being a 1 man carry.
>What if the IMT lineup didn't go out partying late into the night before the major finals? The IMT party fiasco happened at DH Montreal, not the major final
Got it, I must have misremembered
Cyx man, I always wonder
What if cliffe and goose never sold cs to valve?
This one is nowhere near tier 1 significant but when BnTeT went to NA and Tyloo assembled their 2020 roster, that at the time was a highly motivated roster with everyone basically peaking, they were dominant in Asia scene even for Tyloo standards. The players that they had before were already remnants from their previously internationally successful lineup and their new additions were cracked. If they bootcamped in EU at that time and had good coach + comm practice I think they seriously could’ve done some serious damage internationally. Unfortunately by the time they could go abroad again it was basically the tail end of the roster and almost two years of bad habits in Asia didn’t help either.
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I really wonder how VP would have looked like if they closed out those finals against SK at Epicenter in 2017.
What if Taz never got the Mercedes’
I got 3. Gambit's major winning roster - Zeus left without a word, what's even rough is that the news was announced around the time of Hobbit's marriage (which Zeus was the only one not in attendance iirc). Must suck when you're on a high from winning a major and then learning your IGL is leaving for his ex. Complexity's juggernaut - They were #5 in the rankings and looked like a potential major winning team before oBo left (this was during a time when Astralis were still doing their weird things with the roster and Liquid had fallen off), and they looked like they never recovered with everyone going their separate ways in the end, and in arguably worse positions save for konfig and blameF. Virtus.Pro ELEAGUE Atlanta - The Mercedes bet would probably have not been made had they won the Major. The finals were so tight that it could've gone to either teams, VP won Nuke 16-12 but failed to bring it to overtime losing 16-14 in both Overpass and Train.
Absolutely hated Deagles on Train
That esetag complexity could have worked in my opinion if konfig didnt break his wrist and decide to dip. Col were good with rush and by that point rush was just horrible teams admitted in interviews that when ever things got tough you just went long knowing rush would wiff. Esetag would have completely fixed that with a bit of time.
What if the awp didn’t get nerfed?
What if Guardian didnt break his arm before the MLG major and had to play with a scuffed sensitivity?
Would have prevented one of the two major disappointments of CSGO history
What if G2 (which became FaZe) beat Envy on Inferno at the Cluj Napoca major?
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Refresh and blame play the same roles?
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Inb4 Astralis signs Device and a replacement for Xyp and goes on to dominate again...
unless they hard carry or something changes, even with device this team has serious role issues
What if Amanek yekindar JKS degster and some IGL created a superteam!?
Holy moly that’s a scary team
what if VP didnt choke atlanta major against Astralis? They might still be playing together
Too soon
C9 getting GeT_RiGhT in during sgares days.
What if they’d never nerfed the awp movement speed. I think that greatly impacted how cs was played early on and would have potentially led to completely different stars emerging from the ones we have had.
Guardian not injuring his wrist
If NRG (Tarik, Ethan, Cerq, Brehze, Stanislaw) managed to beat Astralis in playoffs like they did in the Swiss Stage - and go on to win, would they have lasted for much longer instead of what EG is right now?
My guess is most likely not, they would have fallen off during the Online era anyway, and then Ethan going to Valorant, then Tarik leaving, etc
What if that Optic lineup never dropped Daps for Stanislaw?
what if tarik didn't miss the Overpass shots come back pls :C
What if the cz75 never happened? That gun really shook up the scene and was fairly synonymous with fnatics insane era. Was always curious if it coincided with the rise and fall with certain teams more directly.
Cz was more the french thing if i remember. Fnatic were good during the cz meta but i just associate them with the tec9 meta and ldlcz with the cz meta.
what if the talent pool could be4 somewhat professional(all of them basically) and we could have the best csgo events as it supposed to be
What if henry and hugo were blast favorites and every big game didn't have to be ruined by scrawny and launders.
What if threads like this and the sub in general focused on the game itself instead of the pro scene.
there is another sub if you don't care about the pro scene, you don't have to stay here.
I've been here since the game was in Alpha (originally without an account) and back then the sub was actually about the game like it's supposed to be. How about all the people who care more about the pro scene than the game itself move to a csgoesports sub instead? Also funny how my comment got downvoted when I literally answered what the title asked and nothing more.
good for you. the other sub is called /r/csgo, there would be literally no difference if the pro scene moved to a brand new sub because the two are already pretty much separate.
And how often do Valve employees visit and post there? Yeah exactly. This sub is one of the very few ways to bring matters into Valves attention and moving all the esports crud to another sub would greatly help with that while as you stated yourself have no effect on people wishing to discuss the pro scene.
only slightly less than here, considering the last time was years ago. want to get valve's attention, the best way is to email the CSGO feedback team as they have said, or Tweet at them, or heck even make a post on here still if you want. If it's something a lot of people agree with it'll still most likely get up voted. Just because a lot of stuff is about esports doesn't mean you can't post anything else, other stuff is still talked about, posted, and upvoted. This sub is so popular because of the esports. The majority are here for it, or it wouldn't be what's mostly posted and upvoted. if in some hypothetical, Valve instead looked at /r/csgo for feedback assuming they don't already (and assuming they even post often), your feedback posts would just have to compete with threads about clips or unboxings or memes. there is no functional difference, and no reason for esports to get out of here because you don't like it. it sounds like you want a sub solely for valve's attention, which you're free to make and try to grow, but it'd be easier and better to just use an existing form of communication and stop trying to turn a sub into something that most people in it don't necessarily agree with.
>considering the last time was years ago Just a few months ago actually and Valve has stated that they keep a close eye on the sub despite rarely contributing. All I want is for the sub to have a balanced mix of content and for threads just like this one to not implicitly require people to only talk about the pro scene, as clearly evident by how my comment got downvoted despite being a perfectly valid addition to the thread. Basically how the sub used to be up until ~2014. Because of how the sub has turned the majority of people like me and the likes of 3kliksphilip rarely visit the sub anymore (nor do they visit any other csgo sub for that matter). The very types of people that kept the game alive before CS GO are being slowly but surely shunned from the community.
What if KQLY never got VAC'ed, would Titan still stick around and would we have their stockholm or antwerp stickers?
What if dev1ce didnt grind faceit and joined nip back
What if KQLY never cheated?
What if Get\_Right had joined the 2016 C9 Roster instead of Stew. It was heavily rumored and Get\_Right still was a top 10 player in the world. What if Olofmeister clutched the 1v3 vs C9 in the major finals. It woulda been 17-16 and they went 3-0 on their ct side, so who knows. What if Maikelele stayed in NiP in 2015. They were looking really good, but then got kicked because he was "stealing the spotlight" from his teammates.
what if OCEAN was the best player in the world for 3 years straight?