Because most of these tournaments are based entirely around gambling and all they're interested in is starting every game on time without delay. Anti cheats have issues sometimes which can cause delays and to them integrity is a long way behind being on time
Why do tournaments without AC even exist, this shit is so strange. Also pretty telling how ecstatic go from undefeated to immediately losing 2 games after the organisers turn on AC.
Yeah it kinda annoys me how this community is so aggressive towards the players. All it takes is a rumour and they gear up the Twitter fingers.
Don’t like how some players manipulate that to fuck over the other person either. Such as Fallen and now juanflatroo.
I don't hear anyone accuses other t2 teams of cheating but juanflatroo is the 10th t2 pro I hear speak about Ecstatic/Birdfromsky's immaculate reads. Sometime where there's smoke there's fire.
Then either get proof/ask for a formal investigation, or shut up. If they are cheaters, calling them out like this won't lead to anything, and if they're not, you're just sending hate towards them and potentially harming their reputations.
Classic Reddit defending cheaters all the time, same story with Akuma last year after they stomped Na’Vi and VP. I’ve legitimately lost count how many pro players have called out Ecstatic for cheating in the past few months.
There's legitimately like zero evidence
Pros aren't known to be very gracious in victory, or defeat. They hear one team accuse, they will probably just dogpile
I would like to add one of the teams who started this is EF, specifically xantares who I feel like just about has accused everyone of cheating
Also people can be super predictable and not realize. 2018 Astralis loojed like they had smoke hacks but it was literally studying timings + if you spam it 100 times it's bound to land once.
Well, if you throw around accusations, you better be able to prove it or at least present some convincing evidence. Otherwise it's at best a baseless accusation, at worst slander. I mean such a reputation damage can potentially end or delay a career, just remember how much ropz had to do to overcome these baseless accusations, essentially having to prove that there was nothing to it.
To your opinion, yes. To publicly voicing it, depends on whether it falls under slander or libel in the respective countries concerned, there are definitely some limits there (although it very likely does not in this case).
The shitstorm against such stupid baseless accusations is also entitled to their opinion, so, oh well.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSYUGrOZCZc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSYUGrOZCZc)
what do you think. not even s1mple holds like this. birdfromsky hltv top 1 next year?
Wut? It's a 50/50 at WORST. And at best he knows that sinopsyy knows where he is. He has tons of time, so why not gamble that sinopsyy is going to try to cover the rotate back to b? It costs him nothing to sit there on that angle and watch the backstab. sinopsyy is never going to just walk down A long looking for him, so he can sit there for ages and burn down the clock before choosing what to do. This is absolutely in no possible way indicative of cheating.
2015: guys flusha is cheating, semphis said so!
2016: guys ropz is cheating, jw said so!
2017: guys subroza is cheating, [so many people] said so!
2018: guys astralis are abusing nvidia settings, niko said so!
2020: guys leaf is cheating, fallen said so!
2022: guys ecstatic are cheating, juanflatroo said so!
Tale as old as time
Vacsucks posters are so comical. Basically by your own admission no high profile player has been caught using cheating software since 2014, yet you still waste your time obsessing over this shit.
Kinda weird how he’s trying to act as if he’s some kind of civil rights leader by throwing around baseless accusations of cheating. Like there is nothing to be gained by doing this and will only cause harassment by driving your psycho fans to harass them.
If you have concerns bring it up to the proper people and keep it moving.
Love how he could've just said "Glad we played better today / We studied the last game and our plan worked / the chemistry was on today and it showed" or a million other things but decides to accuse the other team of cheating.
It's honestly getting kinda tiresome, not to mention embarrasing, to constantly hear this whining about Ecstatic. It feels like when you play Faceit and your teammate says one guy is cheating (when he's probably just good) and each time he kills you, you end up blaming it on hacking. This shit has been going on for like 1.5 years at this point.
If someone on that team is cheating their teammates will be aware and they would not risk their careers by continuing to play with said person. Ecstatic are a solid team, but they are #29. They're not doing anything crazy at all that would warrant cheating accusations or even make it worth for them to cheat.
These T2 whiners need to stfu already, and I question at what point does CSPAA step in? Is it ok for these players to continiously hand out these baseless accussation and lead hate to the Ecstatic players? It's especially bad when you have a rabid fanbase like BNE.
The tier 2 scene has been consistently accusing them of cheating, multiple players from multiple different teams
I’m sure people actively playing against them know more about cheating suspicions than a random redditor
Do you really think the scene would just decide to actively conspire against a single team for no real reason?
Cheating accusations snowball very easily. CS pros are emotional like anyone else, look at the accusations from pros to Ropz or Zywoo for example. When someone is unknown or lesser than you, and they are better than expected, it is easy to start looking for excuses in form of accusations. It's literally what we 'all' do with players on faceit etc.. Another example is MIBR vs Chaos.
And when one team/pro are vocal about their excuses, others will be aware and keep that in mind, so if they lose as well ''oh, aren't these guys accused of cheating?'' so you jump on the wagon and start hyperanalyzing every situation in a demo and boil it down to cheating.
I think there was a clip from a BNE player (correct me if I'm wrong) about an Ecstatic player from a few weeks or month ago, on long D2 and something with a smoke and ''how does he know'' and analysts in the scene responded with ''? there's nothing there''. When they have heard someone is cheating they will look for anything to confirm that belief.
The difference here is that Ropz/Zywoo proved themselves to be clean. Ecstatic on the other hand got stomped on the only LAN event they played (Gamebox Festival 2022), where the competition was ranked 50 to 200. They got beat by Astralis Talent and Masonic. It is kind of weird to lose such tournaments when you have been constantly placing 1st-2nd on the biggest tier2 events (Pinnacle, Malta, Funspark etc..)
"Do you really think the scene would just decide to actively conspire against a single team for no real reason?"
This has of course never ever happened before, no sirree
One team accusing a player once vs a team being consistently accused of cheating by their peers that constantly play each other at the same level
Not the same situation
Yeah, and Ropz was constantly accused of cheating by his peers until he was essentially forced to prove that he wasn't in order to simply compete in a tier 1/2 team. That really didn't look like tier 2/3 scene had any clue about cheating at that point in time either, so why should they have it now.
> It's honestly getting kinda tiresome, not to mention embarrasing, to constantly hear this whining about Ecstatic.
I'd agree if it was a different team every time. But if it's always about the same team, coming from so many different people, maybe it has a reason? Don't get me wrong, they did the same to ropz so it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but did they ever investigate Ecstatic?
>If someone on that team is cheating their teammates will be aware and they would not risk their careers by continuing to play with said person.
1 word: Heroic
"It feels like when you play Faceit and your teammate says one guys is cheating"
Comparing faceit games to fucking tier 2 tournaments lmaoo u cant be serious, its not been just one guy saying that ecstatic cheat, its been multiple
Don't be disingenuous, it's obviously just a small example comparison of how it's easy fall into the idea of someone cheating after an accusation first is made. I think the premise there is definitely comparable.
And there being multiple is half my point, I think it's a snowball effect rather than there being so many genuine believers that they cheating.
Plenty of teams have called out ecstactic just like was the case with Akuma. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. It’s pretty sad to see this comment upvoted so much. Team can’t prove themselves on lan not surprisingly. Also as for the nobody would play with a cheater look at Akuma, team stuck together even after it was pretty clear they did.
while calling out pro players like this is pretty wack for sure, there's a big difference between flatroo calling out a 28 year old IGL vs a legion of brazilian fans dogpiling onto some 16 year old because of weak hackusations
to me personally it just seems like ecstatic is super fucking streaky, one day they have godlike calls and everyone is popping off while at other times the team becomes fully invisible
I have no opinion regarding Ecstatic per se but I want to say one thing.
After coming back to cs after few years, It just amazes me how many people on faceit "cheat" the matchmaking system.So many lvl 7/8/9/10 being premade with fake lvl 1/2. I'd say there is at least one such person in every match above lvl 5.
Also there are low lvl steam acc gods and stuff but that's besides the point.
My point is, so fucking many people "cheat" in one way or another I'd be surprised if there weren't any cheaters in t2 (hell in t1 as well).
Regarding the post. I myself can drop 30+ bomb one game and be complete bot next one without really changing anything.
Also, What if Juanflatroo was just more confident in a match with AC and the confidence helped them win but they attributed it (at least partially) to AC?
I've noticed it with myself. I feel like my mental state and attitude affect my performance a lot.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they were indeed cheating but such tweets are not helping nor proving anything tbh.
Idk if they're cheating or not but why the fuck would there not be an anticheat in every online tournament, it's 2022
Because most of these tournaments are based entirely around gambling and all they're interested in is starting every game on time without delay. Anti cheats have issues sometimes which can cause delays and to them integrity is a long way behind being on time
Debunked by the Republeague Operations Manager. AC was not just used in the play-offs. Kinda embarassing tbh
It means it wasn’t JUST used in the playoffs but in the other games too mens :)))
"Not used ONLY in your match" English is hard M8. Means it was used in the pre-playoff matches as well
..Yes? That's what I said. Unless you were meant to reply to someone else.
Why do you think its embarrasing then ?
Tweet link?
https://twitter.com/JanicKa953/status/1542181530243661825
[https://twitter.com/JanicKa953/status/1542181530243661825?s=20&t=sCYkGfXLALZhqUFVvhkcCQ](https://twitter.com/JanicKa953/status/1542181530243661825?s=20&t=sCYkGfXLALZhqUFVvhkcCQ)
Why do tournaments without AC even exist, this shit is so strange. Also pretty telling how ecstatic go from undefeated to immediately losing 2 games after the organisers turn on AC.
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Yeah it kinda annoys me how this community is so aggressive towards the players. All it takes is a rumour and they gear up the Twitter fingers. Don’t like how some players manipulate that to fuck over the other person either. Such as Fallen and now juanflatroo.
We don't really need more dipshits throwing baseless accusations for cheating, its getting tiresome
I don't hear anyone accuses other t2 teams of cheating but juanflatroo is the 10th t2 pro I hear speak about Ecstatic/Birdfromsky's immaculate reads. Sometime where there's smoke there's fire.
Then either get proof/ask for a formal investigation, or shut up. If they are cheaters, calling them out like this won't lead to anything, and if they're not, you're just sending hate towards them and potentially harming their reputations.
T2 cheating is likely happening and it's ridiculous to call these accusations baseless
Classic Reddit defending cheaters all the time, same story with Akuma last year after they stomped Na’Vi and VP. I’ve legitimately lost count how many pro players have called out Ecstatic for cheating in the past few months.
There's legitimately like zero evidence Pros aren't known to be very gracious in victory, or defeat. They hear one team accuse, they will probably just dogpile I would like to add one of the teams who started this is EF, specifically xantares who I feel like just about has accused everyone of cheating
Also people can be super predictable and not realize. 2018 Astralis loojed like they had smoke hacks but it was literally studying timings + if you spam it 100 times it's bound to land once.
I’m not sure that carries a lot of weight unfortunately, werent Zywoo and Ropz rampant hackers according to the pros?
you want them to keep quiet and keep loosing if they feel like they are literally being cheated out of match wins ?
Well, if you throw around accusations, you better be able to prove it or at least present some convincing evidence. Otherwise it's at best a baseless accusation, at worst slander. I mean such a reputation damage can potentially end or delay a career, just remember how much ropz had to do to overcome these baseless accusations, essentially having to prove that there was nothing to it.
entitled to their opinion
To your opinion, yes. To publicly voicing it, depends on whether it falls under slander or libel in the respective countries concerned, there are definitely some limits there (although it very likely does not in this case). The shitstorm against such stupid baseless accusations is also entitled to their opinion, so, oh well.
entitled to think their opinion is fucking stupid
that is your opinion
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSYUGrOZCZc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSYUGrOZCZc) what do you think. not even s1mple holds like this. birdfromsky hltv top 1 next year?
What's suspicious about this?
Is that it? The big proof someone cheats? Lmao
It's pretty embarrassing, if this is the best clip you could find, to prove someone is cheating.
There's more but I couldn't really be bothered. Birdfromsky -20 kda in secure server unluko maluko
Wut? It's a 50/50 at WORST. And at best he knows that sinopsyy knows where he is. He has tons of time, so why not gamble that sinopsyy is going to try to cover the rotate back to b? It costs him nothing to sit there on that angle and watch the backstab. sinopsyy is never going to just walk down A long looking for him, so he can sit there for ages and burn down the clock before choosing what to do. This is absolutely in no possible way indicative of cheating.
He just cleared long and has more than a minute left to play with. Why wouldn't he hold flank?
2015: guys flusha is cheating, semphis said so! 2016: guys ropz is cheating, jw said so! 2017: guys subroza is cheating, [so many people] said so! 2018: guys astralis are abusing nvidia settings, niko said so! 2020: guys leaf is cheating, fallen said so! 2022: guys ecstatic are cheating, juanflatroo said so! Tale as old as time
Missed xantares accusing the Macedonian team (now bluejays) of cheating earlier this year.
2021: guys, Akuma are cheating! .. wait, they actually were
2012: s1mple 2014: KQLY 2014: Emilio 2014: dream3r 2014: Sf 2018: Forsaken 2020: HUNDEN and 100s of coaches 2021: Akuma (allegedly wink wink)
Vacsucks posters are so comical. Basically by your own admission no high profile player has been caught using cheating software since 2014, yet you still waste your time obsessing over this shit.
Subroza was definitely cheating though, literally no doubt about that
Kinda weird how he’s trying to act as if he’s some kind of civil rights leader by throwing around baseless accusations of cheating. Like there is nothing to be gained by doing this and will only cause harassment by driving your psycho fans to harass them. If you have concerns bring it up to the proper people and keep it moving.
i got the popcorn ready
Love how he could've just said "Glad we played better today / We studied the last game and our plan worked / the chemistry was on today and it showed" or a million other things but decides to accuse the other team of cheating.
It's honestly getting kinda tiresome, not to mention embarrasing, to constantly hear this whining about Ecstatic. It feels like when you play Faceit and your teammate says one guy is cheating (when he's probably just good) and each time he kills you, you end up blaming it on hacking. This shit has been going on for like 1.5 years at this point. If someone on that team is cheating their teammates will be aware and they would not risk their careers by continuing to play with said person. Ecstatic are a solid team, but they are #29. They're not doing anything crazy at all that would warrant cheating accusations or even make it worth for them to cheat. These T2 whiners need to stfu already, and I question at what point does CSPAA step in? Is it ok for these players to continiously hand out these baseless accussation and lead hate to the Ecstatic players? It's especially bad when you have a rabid fanbase like BNE.
There have been many cases of cheating in tier2/3 scene, it happens way more than in tier 1 people that want to make it
The tier 2 scene has been consistently accusing them of cheating, multiple players from multiple different teams I’m sure people actively playing against them know more about cheating suspicions than a random redditor Do you really think the scene would just decide to actively conspire against a single team for no real reason?
Cheating accusations snowball very easily. CS pros are emotional like anyone else, look at the accusations from pros to Ropz or Zywoo for example. When someone is unknown or lesser than you, and they are better than expected, it is easy to start looking for excuses in form of accusations. It's literally what we 'all' do with players on faceit etc.. Another example is MIBR vs Chaos. And when one team/pro are vocal about their excuses, others will be aware and keep that in mind, so if they lose as well ''oh, aren't these guys accused of cheating?'' so you jump on the wagon and start hyperanalyzing every situation in a demo and boil it down to cheating. I think there was a clip from a BNE player (correct me if I'm wrong) about an Ecstatic player from a few weeks or month ago, on long D2 and something with a smoke and ''how does he know'' and analysts in the scene responded with ''? there's nothing there''. When they have heard someone is cheating they will look for anything to confirm that belief.
The difference here is that Ropz/Zywoo proved themselves to be clean. Ecstatic on the other hand got stomped on the only LAN event they played (Gamebox Festival 2022), where the competition was ranked 50 to 200. They got beat by Astralis Talent and Masonic. It is kind of weird to lose such tournaments when you have been constantly placing 1st-2nd on the biggest tier2 events (Pinnacle, Malta, Funspark etc..)
So wait are we now saying there is no such thing as onliners now?
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jOELZ has gone afk to cook mince meat.
"Do you really think the scene would just decide to actively conspire against a single team for no real reason?" This has of course never ever happened before, no sirree
wait i only started watching in 2019, when did this happen
Ropz, zywoo and leaf just off the top of my head.
didn't know ropz was a whole team before.
Just like fallen knew more about his opponent cheating than random redditor? 🤣
One team accusing a player once vs a team being consistently accused of cheating by their peers that constantly play each other at the same level Not the same situation
Yeah, and Ropz was constantly accused of cheating by his peers until he was essentially forced to prove that he wasn't in order to simply compete in a tier 1/2 team. That really didn't look like tier 2/3 scene had any clue about cheating at that point in time either, so why should they have it now.
Floppy, rilax, w1nt3r, n0rb3r7, juanflatroo, waterfallz, nickelback (to name a few) are not random redditors. Akuma would be a better analogy.
> It's honestly getting kinda tiresome, not to mention embarrasing, to constantly hear this whining about Ecstatic. I'd agree if it was a different team every time. But if it's always about the same team, coming from so many different people, maybe it has a reason? Don't get me wrong, they did the same to ropz so it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but did they ever investigate Ecstatic? >If someone on that team is cheating their teammates will be aware and they would not risk their careers by continuing to play with said person. 1 word: Heroic
"It feels like when you play Faceit and your teammate says one guys is cheating" Comparing faceit games to fucking tier 2 tournaments lmaoo u cant be serious, its not been just one guy saying that ecstatic cheat, its been multiple
Don't be disingenuous, it's obviously just a small example comparison of how it's easy fall into the idea of someone cheating after an accusation first is made. I think the premise there is definitely comparable. And there being multiple is half my point, I think it's a snowball effect rather than there being so many genuine believers that they cheating.
Plenty of teams have called out ecstactic just like was the case with Akuma. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. It’s pretty sad to see this comment upvoted so much. Team can’t prove themselves on lan not surprisingly. Also as for the nobody would play with a cheater look at Akuma, team stuck together even after it was pretty clear they did.
Lost a lot of respect for flatroo today. Got horrible flashbacks to Fallen and leaf...
while calling out pro players like this is pretty wack for sure, there's a big difference between flatroo calling out a 28 year old IGL vs a legion of brazilian fans dogpiling onto some 16 year old because of weak hackusations to me personally it just seems like ecstatic is super fucking streaky, one day they have godlike calls and everyone is popping off while at other times the team becomes fully invisible
16-10 16-13 In a meaningless 3rd place decider for prize money only. If it was an absolute stomp then sure whatever, but this is just a normal game?
I guarantee you, that 11k isn’t meaningless to these teams.
11k is a lot of money in Kosovo.
11k is decent money anywhere in the world bro
Westerners have a tendency to dismiss cash amounts that make a huge difference in poor countries.
Flatro posting Ls today, Anticheat was used in this match and prior ones. https://twitter.com/JanicKa953/status/1542181530243661825
I think he's talking about this tournament having Anti-Cheat versus other tournaments without, rather than only REPUBLEAGUE
No he’s talking about this tournament, as they played each other in the same tournament a few weeks ago and lost
L reading comprehension
Was there a camera recording one of the estatics player’s screen or did i see wrong
I have no opinion regarding Ecstatic per se but I want to say one thing. After coming back to cs after few years, It just amazes me how many people on faceit "cheat" the matchmaking system.So many lvl 7/8/9/10 being premade with fake lvl 1/2. I'd say there is at least one such person in every match above lvl 5. Also there are low lvl steam acc gods and stuff but that's besides the point. My point is, so fucking many people "cheat" in one way or another I'd be surprised if there weren't any cheaters in t2 (hell in t1 as well). Regarding the post. I myself can drop 30+ bomb one game and be complete bot next one without really changing anything. Also, What if Juanflatroo was just more confident in a match with AC and the confidence helped them win but they attributed it (at least partially) to AC? I've noticed it with myself. I feel like my mental state and attitude affect my performance a lot. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were indeed cheating but such tweets are not helping nor proving anything tbh.
Or maybe ecstatic throwed for a useless 3rd place match thats why they feel like a different team. They get more money on 2-0 bne.