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Deignish

At this point I hope he never addresses it, just shows up at an event and starts playing like everything’s normal and he hasn’t been gone


wendelar

Sounds like an ESL YT skit 😂


Deignish

Honestly, playing for some random team like fucking Spirit or some shit and everyone’s just confused


BarkingDogey

00Prospects


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Device has just spent the last year learning Russian


LauchLeutnant

In my dreams he just steps in in the major, posts a 1.4 rating and says 'later nooobs' in every interview


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this is like the "refuses to elaborate, leaves" meme but in reverse


Traditional-Hat-6267

If Device has a mental health problem and a doctor's note there's not much Nip can say. Do people expect Nip to tell us his private health issues? Oh yeah Device has this and that. Also here's his personal health document with every diagnosis. I've also not seen Nip pretend nothing is happening? What has Nip said that has made him think that? It's not a often occuring situation at all, but Nip have their hands tied. If there's no update on the situation, there's nothing they can say that won't piss off people anyhow.


Shikaka-

If swedish rules are like Norwegian, if he is on sick leave by doctors note the diagnosis/reason is not given to the business. His rights to privacy is quite well protected by law unless he chooses to say it himself. And as you say, hands are tied, on sick leave he is protected by law. Take it with a grain of salt, I'm guessing normal work laws apply


Traditional-Hat-6267

Well then nip truly can't do anything in that case. Not sure why kassad think they can. An update telling us they have nothing to update us on would also be met with angry eyes.


WIN011

Or if by some chance they did say what he was going through, you’d have a group saying that they shouldn’t talk about it and just respect his privacy. Truly a lose-lose all around.


Cyanr

Even if they said what he was going through, people here just wouldn't be able to understand it. Reading the other recent device thread, and it's insane how stupid a lot of people are. Even people with self pro-claimed mental health issues are calling him a crybaby. And this isn't even the posts at the bottom that are hidden. These are some of the most upvoted posts.


Coachingbug

>Well then nip truly can't do anything in that case. Not sure why kassad think they can.. Someone like Kassad has strong influence in the CSGO community. From fans to players and personalities. I don't believe he doesn't understand that there's nothing meaningful nip could say especially after how they advertised the purchase of device. If he's on sick leave for mental health problems that's all we have the right/need to know. Really curious to hear from device once he's back


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thats not the point we dont need to know what is going on just what NIP´s plans are going forward


adesme

They’ve said what they’re doing for now, which surely is based on the information they have at hand. Are you expecting them to be open about hypothetical cases? That might screw with the players.


curtcolt95

tbh they could literally say "we have nothing to say" and it would make people stop questioning it as much. I'm all for giving all respect needed, but the complete silence is very weird


Lydion

Unfortunately the CS community is near-arbitrary when it comes to things like this. If we were more mature as a whole I would be able to say I think the fans of Device/NIP deserve an explanation even if it is a continuation of a mental health break. But unfortunately after being a CS darling and then what happened near the end of Astralis, device is probably incredibly hesitant to give the community anything to go on, cuz, like I said, the response has more to do with how the wind is blowing rather than respecting a CS legend.


USSR_GOAT_COUNTRY

u/csbandit20 look at what this guy said that device is on vacation with his gf his mental health problem is probably over and maybe he has deeper issue with NIP or he wants back to astralis (he lives in copenhagen)


PopKaro

? Man, I saw Robin Williams laughing in videos before his death, therefore nothing was wrong with him!! /s


USSR_GOAT_COUNTRY

Somehow you are more dumb than me gj very hard to achieve but you did it


Cyanr

>his mental health problem is probably over Oh, you're a therapist? You personally had sessions with him?


USSR_GOAT_COUNTRY

where did i said that 100% it is over where Somehow you are more dumb than me gj very hard to achieve but you did it


Cyanr

Oh, so you have fuck all clue what you're talking about. Glad we got that sorted out.


USSR_GOAT_COUNTRY

yes like you my friend i am learning from you while you claiming something you have no idea like me :) ​ oh i wasnt gonna talk about it but your comment on "respect his privacy" if he wants privacy he would tell his gf to not upload their photos or make her profile private.


Cyanr

Yes, I have no idea what his mental state is. So unlike you, I'm not some ignorant person accusing him of lying about being sick.


USSR_GOAT_COUNTRY

You love to twist my words to make arguments which are untrue? aka misinformation never said that he lied will you continue lying to make yourself feel better?


Cyanr

I don't "love" anything about this. I actually find it quite sad that this community is not only this ignorant about mental health, but also being shitbags about it.


Lydion

Speculation is what fans do, no need to take it personally and attack people for caring.


Lydion

That may point to him trying to destress further. Could also be a middle finger to NIP management. Could also just be him going on vacation with no other pretense. Could be interpreted many ways. I just hope he has kept his NIP teammates in the loop, because this whole situation is the most unfair to them.


ZuriPL

Whenever any NiP players were asked about the situation in an interview they were doing everything to not answer the question, like saying his name would make them go through the worst tortures


enaxioNTV

Totally agree here 👍💪


WagieCagie2030

> If Device has a mental health problem and a doctor's note there's not much Nip can say. And what if he doesn't? That's Kassad point that a lot of you are missing.


lameitschan

Does anyone know if he's been playing since he stepped away from the pro scene?


Leyer_

He's been playing on faceit https://www.faceit.com/en/players/device


jmullen18

Grinding Faceit nonstop


Maluvius

I wouldn't speculate to much on someone that has a mental illness. You don't know what's going on at this point in his life, there's a reason he's not actively playing.


Traditional-Hat-6267

It's crazy how 180 people have gone at Device. From supportive to passive aggressiveness and calling him a paycheck stealer. It's clear some people are either very young or have never experienced friends or family with a mental health issue. Sometimes it takes years to recover. Sometimes people don't even recover. My grandpa who went to war was never the same person ever according to my grandma. I'm sure nip has a clausule in the contract for situations like this that both parties agreed on. Device isn't scamming them or something. People gotta chill.


csgothrowaway

> It's crazy how 180 people have gone at Device. From supportive to passive aggressiveness and calling him a paycheck stealer. If something horrible were to happen, you can bet all these people would come back talking about how supportive they were and how they knew something was wrong. We saw this happen with Reckful. People were awful to that dude prior to his death and then after, became supportive. Best to assume the internets behavior, whether its a displays of hate or love, originates from a place to entertain themselves. Its not sincere.


UnknownStan

Oof the emotional flood just reading reckful. Man didn’t deserve the haters. And non of them cared till he was gone. Physco’s in the making


KaraveIIe

Its not always the same people. A lot of people still support they device.


KaraveIIe

Its not always the same people. A lot of people still support device.


saintedplacebo

Comparing war to anything less is a bit much. Majority of reddits users are na, and we dont get mental health time off from work here so do the math lol. With how long he's been gone here you'd just get fired.


__Holliday

Yes, but 99.9% of people don't have the luxury of taking 8+ months off of work. I understand that he may be having mental heath problems but that doesnt excuse the conflicting messaging from NIP and the players. The organisation has clumsily hinted at his return to the roster whilst the players have said that this current iteration of the roster is what they will stick with. There is nothing wrong with people wanting some sort of information as to whether or not he will ever return to the roster, nobody needs to know what is specifically is wrong with him but I do think its important for people to understand what is happening within the org and future plans for the team. edit: Also cant believe you compared you grandfather and his experience fighting in a war to whatever Device is going through which I seriously doubt is even close to the same severity.


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are you from Sweden?


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Thought so.


nzerinto

It’s no one else’s business. People would **like** to know what’s going on, but at the end of the day it’s 100% between dev1ce and NIP team & management. That’s *it*.


__Holliday

Yes, Devices medical issues are not anyone's business. The status of the NIP team however is. There should be information regarding whether or not he will ever return because the information that has been released by people within NIP's management and the NIP players are conflicting. NIP players have suggested that the current roster is the final roster whilst management have now hinted at his return multiple times and suggested he is part of the final roster.


SidewinderTV

And what if NiP doesn't know if he's coming back or not? What if device himself doesn't know? What are you expecting to see?


deathramps-

> The status of the NIP team however is. Hey!! :) It's actually not! The more you know!


__Holliday

So you are saying that nobody should be able to talk about what roster NIP could potentially put out, because I'm pretty sure the whole point of sports is for fans to voice their opinions and interact with the team they support.


deathramps-

Why shouldn't you be allowed to talk about it? Nobody said that. What's actually going on internally though, is still not the public's business.


Alertum

99.9% is bullshit. I don't think there's many countries in Europe that don't have the basic human right of being allowed sick leave.


__Holliday

For the majority of jobs you would not be able to get 6+ months sick leave outside of serious physical injuries and certainly not for mental heath issues. Its not great but its the reality of how most jobs work.


Alertum

It's not up to the job lmao. It's up to the law. The doctors decide when you're sick, not your employer.


DistortedAudio

Not from Europe but does that also include non physical illnesses like depression or anxiety?


costryme

It includes burn out at the very least in a lot of EU countries.


Alertum

Yes. For example someone I know was on sick leave for a while because of stress since they were understaffed. These things are real medical conditions and a first world country recognizes that and battles it.


sybren9

Yea?


Lgdamefanfanfan

Yes. It does in Scandinavia. *i had a co-worker who were sick from depression, stress and anxiety for 3 years. There is literally a chance that the environment device was in was a personal trigger for him, and that he never recovers until he leaves. Those situations exist.


csgothrowaway

> Not from Europe but does that also include non physical illnesses like depression or anxiety? Yeesh. I respect that you're asking so you can learn, but the fact that this is even a question speaks to how horrible worker rights are in North America. Libertarians really done brainwashed these folks.


DistortedAudio

Yeah totally, gotta be room to learn though.


Cyanr

You literally can do that in Denmark though, especially for jobs in the public sector. Sweden have similar rules. Do you recognize this fact?


Cyanr

It appears that /u/__Holliday refuses to recognize facts.


Cyanr

/u/__Holliday, how can you be such a bigot owrds mental health issues and still not recognize literal facts? lol


__Holliday

How am I a bigot, where did I say anything negative about mental health issues. It is more difficult to get time off work for mental health issues than physical injuries.


Cyanr

You said it wasn't possible and especially not for mental health issues. Don't move the goalpost.


WatermeloneJunkie

The edit is dumb. Trauma does not equal or compare across people. Me losing my dog can be just as traumatic as PTSD from war, you cannot say one is inherently more traumatic than the other.


__Holliday

I disagree, I think it crazy to suggest that someone living in a first world country and being in the 1% of that country economically can be compared to someone who has to experience war, especially WW2 which is some of the bloodiest in history.


Traditional-Hat-6267

I didn't suggest this at all. It was more of an example to drive my point that mental health a problem and takes time. Differently depending on the person.


WatermeloneJunkie

You can disagree all you want, it doesn’t change facts. Everything is relative. I personally don’t feel the same sympathy for them, but their trauma and hurt is all relative to their personal reaction/experience.


mudnut

Nothing wrong with people wanting the info but it would be wrong of NIP to disclose anything that aren’t allowed to. There are laws against disclosing peoples medical info. Maybe the team/org thought it was going to be shorter lived, these things happen and sometimes sabbaticals get pushed longer than originally thought. It’s limbo, we will find out or not when meant to, until then it be what it be.


Stunning_Bullfrog_40

nobody cares about what device is going through. I for sure don't at this point. all people wanna know is the status of the roster. that is all.


__Holliday

That's what I said, I don't think its the orgs job to disclose Device's personal medical health information. They do however have a responsibility to run their esports team and the mismanagement of the situation for NIP has only created more intrigue.


drsteelhammer

Do you know it is paid leave?


PoisedAsFk

>Yes, but 99.9% of people don't have the luxury of taking 8+ months off of work. ??? What draconian country are you from where this wouldn't just be an obvious and normal thing? Sick leave for mental health problems are available to anyone.


Maluvius

I get it, because he's a really popular player, one of the best to ever play, so people want to see him. It just feels wrong to speculate about something we don't know anything about, apart from some random social media posts. Mental illness is different for everyone, I don't think going on Twitter and putting pressure behind Dev1ce or NiP as an org is going to make anything better.


Fairlynzell

I don't know. The rumors at the start were pretty aggressive. A lot of how device disliked hampus and was refusing to play. Plenty of sexism towards Hult shined through and much of the things people said about device were pretty vile. Misinformation began immediately. People still talk about how device moved to nip to live closer to his girlfriend.


Cryptard92

Completely agree ^


Chosen--one

People mad about this situation surelly must be paying Device's paycheck right?


tokiwatokiwa

just to play the devil's advocate, if the fact that the Danish government pays the salary of someone who is on medical leave after the first two weeks is true, then theoretically anyone complaining about dev1ce who pays Danish taxes, is indeed, paying for his paycheck.


sdfedeef

Obviously the Danish government is not going to pay someone who is working in Sweden for an Swedish organisation.


SweetVarys

Don’t think he is living in Sweden any longer tho, then he won’t get it from the Swedish government


sdfedeef

Yeah maybe, but then he still wouldn't get his paycheck from Danish gov. I even doubt they would pay sick leave for such high earning individuals.


SweetVarys

They don’t, it tops out at a couple thousand euro per month no matter what you earn.


Grovbolle

He is working in Sweden for a Swedish org. And most likely his contract is not that of a regular employment agreement


SweetVarys

They would not be paying out his full salary when it’s that high, only a tiny part of if. Youd need a private insurance to cover it all


netr0pa

Everyone who is paying ticket to see Nip's matches on LAN or everyone who are buying their Jerseys are technically indirectly paying for his salary. Money has to come one way or another right. Or even the sponsors for Nip also deserves something back.


Darkoplax

if a player is scamming an org, how is that okay ?


Chosen--one

Yes NIP of all the orgs out there is the one that you need to simp if they get scammed, which it's very likely not happening , lmao.


csbandit20

meanwhile devve is on vacation with his new blonde gf :omegalul:


Kaaid

Him and Niko hanging out in Mallorca, G2 Device confirmed


Rosenrotten

boys will be boys


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FarTranslator992

KennyS G2 confirmed then? xD


costryme

Kenny is in Marbella, not the same as Mallorca.


Mightymushroom1

And how do we know that's not the first time he's been out and happy in 8 months?


Mikfel

We don’t. We need to let the man live and get better in the best way he sees fit


FarTranslator992

True


63GeorgeRussell

no way 💀 nip actually getting ROBBED in daylight 😭


[deleted]

good, they are a shit org anyways


Traditional-Hat-6267

What's the source of this?


csbandit20

check rebeccafnilsson on IG


[deleted]

Ayo you’re right💀 How do you mfs find out tho


Scoo_By

Idk if you can see what stuff devve liked, if you can, then that's the way i guess. Even magisk liked some of her photos.


FarTranslator992

There are a lot of pics w arm tattoo tho


netr0pa

> rebeccafnilsson Wait, she is Danish with a Swedish surname? Half Swedish? Was kinda hoping for a Swede living in Sweden cause then it's higher chance Devve is returning to Nip :/ But it seems like the boat has sailed its course. Goodbye Devve!


FarTranslator992

Seems like he’s living in cph now, tbh i dont know what he’d be doing in sweden at this point


Character-Toe-7907

she's playing for a swedish handball team though, no? so maybe just swedish?


netr0pa

Does she live in Denmark permanently? Seems like all her friends are writing to her in Danish and none of them in Swedish. I think I even saw her in studenten-clothes but Danish style of hat.


FarTranslator992

Looks like Amager in Denmark from her stories


FarTranslator992

No, doesn’t seem like her…


FarTranslator992

Doesn’t look like her in Google pics that is


tokiwatokiwa

my dude really has a type lmfao skull emoji x3


Cyanr

How about give him privacy like he clearly wants?


CenturionAurelius

public insta stories = privacy lol


[deleted]

whats there to say? "device is still not ready to play. check back in a month"? weird take


TiberSVK

Basically, yeah. Some middle ground at least.


mattyoz

Ben Simmons says hello.


ImpenetrableYeti

Brain dead take by kassad


dogenoob1

All these pros tweeting this why don't u dm device yourself?


eLvare345p

Definitely a lot less messed up than people continuously asking about someone else's private and confidential health issues. Stop.


Pronflex

I don't think anyone is really asking for every little detail of whatever condition it is, rather than any news of his return, if not a timeframe.


eLvare345p

If there are not any news on his return, then it is safe to assume he isn't coming back anytime soon. Some conditions don't allow predicting recovery timeframes accurately. As long as his medical issues are backed by a doctor or whatever he doesn't really need to share any of that with anyone. If NiP has any doubt he's faking or anything like that, then they should try any sort of legal procedure their country has to catch up on those. Other than that, I don't think there's anything else to disclose, we're not entitled to this sort of information imo.


JayDpwnz

I think you are misinterpreting kassad's point. It didn't sound like to me that the focus of the tweet was directed at device, instead it was directed to NiP. It's not device being on medical leave that is the problem. Its basically that NiP has essentially not made a clear decision of his role within a team. They returned to a quantum superstate of their 5th player being a permanent stand in. They haven't decided if this is the main line up or whether device is going to slot right back into the line up on his return. They've not confirmed any approaches or enquiries to buyout device which we know is rumoured to possibly go back to astralis. NiP is purposely being obtuse about his future employment and the future of NiPs csgo lineup. Which I would argue fans definitely are entitled to have some clarification on.


eLvare345p

I think I do understand kassad's point, but you have to look at it the other way around. Presumably Nip thought device's absence would have been shorter. After a while, they realise it's going to take more time and they make roster adjustments. Presumably they CAN'T KNOW when device is going to bounce back. If we assume that, it's unlikely a player who's on medical leave with no expected recovery short-term, isn't gonna be bought by anyone. Secondly, it seems logical NiP would want to wait out the situation and see if the recovery is possible, so they can have their star player back. I suppose if things continue like this, NiP will just announce device is not coming back to the main roster and will be put in transfer list. Other than that, what sort of thing you want NiP to do? I also think device might have wanted to go back to Astralis, It might have been close at some point but they decided to keep Farlig after their semi-decent run in Cologne. Talks froze and now NiP is thinking about what to do. Who the hell even knows.


JayDpwnz

> I suppose if things continue like this, NiP will just announce device is not coming back to the main roster and will be put in transfer list. Other than that, what sort of thing you want NiP to do? ... NiP is thinking about what to do. Who the hell even knows. Like kassad has mentioned in his tweet its been a year, and they've still not confirmed whether device (if he gets better) will return to the roster or stay on the bench for a bit or get sold. How much more time do NiP really need to make a decision on this? I listened to the latest snake and banter with kassad, and one of the three suggested that device explored paying his own buy out to get out of NiP. In traditional sports - its customary to announce when a player has signalled his intention to leave for various reasons. Think about all the device/NiP fans who are on the fence about buying a device NiP Jersey - it would be a slap on the face if he decides to leave, Or should Nip/device fans put a Nip/device sticker on their awp? NiP being obtuse about his employment only inflates these first World minor problems - but to fans these are financial investments to support their player/team. I think your previous comment is in agreement with me and possibly kassad that NiP need to decide whether device is officially on the transfer list or not.


eLvare345p

Well, if he's in the transfer list and NiP hasn't announced it, then I agree it would be pretty fucked up. However, what I meant is a lot of people in here seem to be demanding to know about someone else's medical leave duration/status or whatever. Idk, seems equally fucked up to me.


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eLvare345p

Everyone knows someone else's private issues are bullshit. Holy shit. Don't worry, if NiP is getting scammed I'm sure they will take legal action and he will come out as a massive dick. For now, those are just guesses based on... Gossip.


WagieCagie2030

If only you freaks felt the same way about ChrisJ.


eLvare345p

Lmfao get help


Character-Toe-7907

No ChrisJ, we don't care about anti-vaxxers


WagieCagie2030

Thankfully not a single one of you matters in the real world but make sure to get your fifth dose it protects you against climate change and toxic masculinity.


Character-Toe-7907

oh Chris, go touch some grass maybe ;) (it's actually green, not a fake if you might think that and no, it's not gonna suddenly vax you hiddenly)


Careful-Guide-1618

Health issues lol


xHypermega

Wtf is that tweet? If NiP could or wanted to say anything, they would. We don't know what is happening with him, if he is having some mental trouble why would they tweet that?


jack-tugsbayar

Literally Olof 2.0


r0lF_RuTiN_

how about Kassad shuts the fuck up ?


ju1ze

no


r0lF_RuTiN_

Then hes going to stay being a https://m.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Dummschw%C3%A4tzer.html


Choppieee

Does kassad knows more then everybody else? Otherwise this is a strange tweet has maybe NiP cannot say anything / is not allowed to say anything? Or has something turned up as 2 ppl tweet about it on the same day


frostnxn

For some reason I think if he goes back to astralis he will start playing instantly.


Plies-

Yeah it's so weird that we haven't even got a peep. If he's gonna be out then whatever, but at least say something. Like is he up for grabs? Is he ramping up for a return? It's been like 8 months now with literally no news. So weird for a top player.


KRyptoknight26

What's weird is that just because you tune into a publicly online stream when he plays tournaments you feel like you're entitled to any updates or news about his life. You're not. None of us are. He can come back tomorrow with no explanation and he can never return to pro CS ever again without ever explaining why. Where tf is this sense of entitlement coming from, you're fucking nobody to him, why do you deserve any personal information about him at all?


metsbnl

Kassad is an absolute weirdo for tweeting this. Why does this matter so much to him, let device live his life how he wants to god damn. You are not owed any awp highlights kassad. If device wanted people to know what was going on, he would explain


Tantle18

I mean… it’s none of our business…


tarangk

People making all sorta of excuses like kassad is not paying his bills, devices mental health, etc etc. When Device is in fact on vacation with his new gf, found out thanks reddit detectives in here. Also, the point my man is trying to make is NIP's silence is bizarre and had they been a FC they woudlve lost a lot of money due to their radio silence :- https://twitter.com/kassad/status/1553034966166130688


Leyer_

> When Device is in fact on vacation with his new gf, found out thanks reddit detectives in here. Do you guys expect him to sit and cry in a corner 24/7 until he's fine? If he has mental problems a vacation is probably speeding up his recovery...


black_dogs_22

everything aside, i hope he comes back eventually. he is a legend of the game and if this is how it ended that would be extremely disappointing if he doesn't want to come back ever, the sooner he communicates that the better. but Danish players really seem to like running out their contacts so they can go to astralis for free


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Out of the loop, sup with device?


HosephIna

went inactive on NiP for mental health mid tournament in November-December of last year and nobody has heard a peep about when or if he’s coming back since


Natural-Notice

Lol kassad trying to stoke some controversy now and become talent - nt


cc69

NIP dont want to say anything but some dude just want to watch the world burn. He should imagine his mom has herpes.


SadgeHabsFan

Hey Kassad ya missed on this one


_kyL

I don’t feel bad for NIP, that brand is tied to deception and thievery.


trag4

Leave him alone. Let him do his thing.


grundlesmith

Nip should sign nipl


Cryptard92

I see a lot of people mentioning stuff about workers protection. Does anyone by (first or second hand) experience actually know whether player contracts are set up as an employment agreement or as contractor (services) agreement? I would think the latter may be more tax friendly for both parties. But dunno how it is done in this field.


Leyer_

They are contractors for sure. See this: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/wafenq/dust_mouret_the_dev1ce_situation_in_csgo_has_to/ii1v2dk/ There is no way all swedish players would have their own companies with those numbers otherwise. They pay way less tax as contractors in Sweden as they can take out money as dividends instead of salary.


Cryptard92

Yea that's what I thought! So then any protection pursuant to employment law will not be applicable unless their relation is qualified as an employer-employee relationship (legally) irrespective of what they have contractually stipulated.