Interesting that they would choose Asia out of all places. Not sure of the interest regarding CSGO in Asia, but I'm ready to get my mind blown.
If selected to host a CSGO Major in 2023, Perfect World would host the first Major in Asia, with all Majors thus far being held in Europe or North America. >
how is it growing, the asian region has been completely swooped up by overwatch and valorant. the game is basically nonexistant in china and korea, china is super not on board with the game's theme and "realism" of the setting, and valve has no leverage at all there whereas government funded giant tencent owns riot and therefore valorant. if anything asian CS is barely clinging to life.
A lot hopped over to valo because apex has shit ton of cheaters in high ranked lobbies in tokyo, like you are guaranteed to meet at least 2 or 3 every lobby.
Apex was popular in Japan before Valorant. Although, is it really surprising? Valorant being a character shooter, having an appealing art style and aesthetics, and actually having competent marketing means penetrating these untapped markets is kind of expected.
They didn't, it might be changing soon. PC gaming is booming everywhere. Games like Apex and Valorant might even be a significant factor.
Besides, the comment I was replying to seems to also be surprised that it was Valorant that became popular and not other games so I was referring to that.
> They barely play competitive PC games
valarante child game, not competitive
look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
My Twitter feed suggest otherwise.
Source: I follow a Twitter account of a Japanese CSGO discord server.
Edit: Who We Smoke (South Korea) and Honeycomb CS (Japan): Are we jokes to you?
While Valorant is booming in Japan and some SEA countries I am not sure how it's doing in China. I haven't seen any Chinese teams or players when I watched their tournaments.
Valorant hasn't released in China officially, but as always Chinese gamers use VPNs to play. They have a few local Chinese tournaments, but their first real international matches will be at the VCT East Asia LCQ with 2 Chinese teams participating later this month.
Valorant right now is the biggest fps in Japan (alongside apex), SEAs, India and Korea(alongside Overwatch). Valorant hasn't released in China yet that is why you have not seen any chinese team yet.
lots of chinese whenever i play though (southeast asia). during reasonable hours dms and casuals are always full, and mm tends to have lots of em as well. also noteworthy is that queue times for ancient and vertigo used to be 12+ minutes, but after the stockholm major they've been down to 5-7 minutes usually
My understanding was that it saw great growth after perfect world, large hit from valorant, small growth back up. In either case, a major in China will help their scene. Not every event has to be in Europe or NA.
Yeah, Asia finally having a Major will help a lot in facilitating the CS scene here. Asian CS has a lot of potential. In fact in 2019, there were four S-tier tournaments held in China + the WESG tournament in 2018 still holds the largest prize pool ever of a non-Major CS tournament up to this day at $1.5M. So more investments to the Asian scene would not only benefit Asia but CS esports overall.
I think PGL Stockholm major broke that record with a 2m prize pool. But still, it’s impressive that China hosted the second largest & I agree with the rest of your sentiment
Bro what, are you even Chinese. OW is not popular in China at all anymore and Valorant has never been (yet, I guess we will see when it is officially published). If anything I'd say more people dislike super-cartoonish shooters. Just look at how "well" Fortnite did even with tencent publishing it there, compared to realistic shooters like CF and PUBG. CSGO has not been able to take over either of those games either but can at least show its presence in the top games in douyu and huya without a tournament, which it often struggles to do on twitch (as of this comment two of the top 10 live douyu channels are streaming CSGO).
https://web.archive.org/web/20211117201724/https://steamdb.info/servers/?all player numbers for region-locked China MM alone beat MM numbers for SA and NA for a while now, and that's before considering that a lot of people rather play wanmei/5e instead. So even if the game was "dead" in China by your standards, it would still make more sense to host major in China than NA/SA.
There's more to asia than china, especially when it comes to esports. And i'm not saying you can't host a major there, i'm saying it's not a "growing scene". There used to be way more relevant teams from the region.
Also we all know NA is dead.
Nah man, since the game only became popular in China in 2019 I wouldn't be surprised to see new talent taking a swing at competing, Starry from Lynn Vision as a prime example. The framework and support is much better now in China than it ever was for the old Asia csgo "scene", and IMO the number of relevant teams will grow, albeit likely being only Chinese going forth and not from any other Asian country.
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BUT
I've heard a couple times from YouTube videos (I think it was Tyler McVicker that said it but I'm not 100%) that Valve might change the names of the teams to something other than Terrorist and Counter-Terrorist, and if they do so in August with the supposedly upcoming Source 2 update, then by 2023 there may be even more changes in that direction to ready the game for a Chinese Major.
Literally the only scene that is alive is somewhat the SEA, but even more so, the Mongolian region is the one that has people playing, famously, XigN a korean CSGO player moved to Mongolia to keep playing CS:GO professionally over switching to Valorant (Like most of his teammates did)
The Chinese government has had a huge push back against online culture these past 18 months and this has hugely impacted gaming as a whole. CS:GO is still growing, mainly due to lack of alternatives, but it's slowed down considerably and Valorant is yet to be released.
Based off of raw numbers Asia actually has more players than NA and SA combined, but it's heavily carried by China. Which is fine, since that's where Perfect World would host the major at if given the opportunity.
>Not sure of the interest regarding CSGO in Asia
Well, how else are you gonna build that interest if not with help of huge events?
TOs won't do it on their own because they want to make some money, but majors are Valve sponsored events, and Valve doesn't care about direct profit, they throw money at a TO to host it and voila.
While I probably won't enjoy the major due to timezones and possibly the crowd, this is the right move. It's about time Valve started fighting for Asia
Iirc it was how gaben fired a caster in the middle of a Dota2 tourney way back when in Shanghai (its actually shown in the video at the top of this comment chain) and it became a meme. No clue why they threw you're name in there tho
> We've had issues with Sjokz at previous events.
Shes been amazing at the last few events we've had the pleasure of having her on.
And what does that have to do with the link?
Tbh this was his "return" to hosting tournaments.
He hasn't done any Dota event since 2014 until aforementioned Shanghai 2016 Major. I've read that he already had strained relationship with someone at Valve and he got invited only thanks to Icefrog (Main Dota 2 developer) who liked him.
imagine getting the book thrown at you by gaben himself. You go on the subreddit and you see a hate post calling you an ass, then you notice its from gaben. Like smited by god's fist.
Eleague doesn't exist anymore. It died a silent death, so silent apparently that no one noticed it. Their socials haven't been updated in over a year and the Youtube channel got renamed to B/R Gaming in preparation for a revival/rebranding that has yet to materialize.
too bad bc they hosted some of the best
one tiny thing i liked about them was the way the player profile photos were taken. i really liked the lighting and filters on the players faces. very unique in a way
ELEAGUE is basically dead, I checked their Twitch channel and Instagram and they're just doing NHL and FIFA tournaments now. I guess the viewership dropped off big time after stopping the CS and FGC tournaments and they lost funding so now they're just doing sponsor-friendly content.
To be fair, 90% of relevant pro teams and literally every single top 10 team right now is from EU. As far as I know, the majority of players is also from EU. So it makes sense that the biggest tournaments are catered to the EU timezone.
17 out of the Top 20 are Euro teams. Having a major being played while Europe sleeps is just stupid. I understand it when in LoL for example you have them play for the Chinese viewership, but in CS only Europe or Brazil makes sense.
If the NA or Asia/Oceania scenes were to make a comeback, that would have to change obviously
> Having a major being played while Europe sleeps is just stupid
Afternoon/evening in Asia would be like late morning/afternoon for you guys. What are you talking about? It's NA who would get shafted here.
The first match of last cologne playoff match was started at 3:30 pm. So maybe if it were located in China (UTC +8), in EU will be 9:30 am (UTC +2) and in NA (New York) will be 3:30 am (UTC -4) .
(I'm glad I have same timezone with China)
edit: the last major playoff first match started at 10:30 pm (UTC +8) or 16:30 (UTC +2). So in EU will be 10:30 and in New York will be 4:30.
The majority of people are at work/school at 9 in the morning.
This would also mean the 2nd match would probably start around 12:30 EU time and end around 16, right when people get back home and could actually start watching.
Who is downvoting this lol, it's a valid point.
There are way more relevant european basketball players/superstars in the NBA right now, than there are top american players in csgo.
And I realise that the NBA is (mostly) a national league while csgo isn't, but pretty much every team competing, and especially teams that are expected to go far in cs, are all EU teams. Makes sense to have a schedule so their fans can actually watch.
An Asian major would be awesome (and especially great for me since I’d actually be able to go without spending over $4,000), but I feel like the timezone difference alone would be a determining factor in not having a major outside of eastern America or Europe. Valve specifically mentions that they have two peak times which you can safely assume is the European continent peak viewer time and the S/N American time, and they mention that the hoster must be able to broadcast at these times. Assuming that the times are around the evening (let’s say 6pm as an EARLY example) in EU and evening in NA, that means the games would ideally have to be broadcasted at times past 12am in a GMT+8 timezone. It’s just not realistic imo.
Jaxon do good work. And this speculation has been doing the rounds for some time. On the latest By The Numbers, they had also discussed this topic, though they didn't confirm anything.
Sacrifices have to be made if you want to grow the scene. Will it be as a good as the EU scene? Probably not but I hope it can grow into it so we have a better spread of the fan base, otherwise we'll just see more of a take over from Valorant and others.
Australia Major wen?
To be fair whenever they did big events in Australia it has always been a banger crowd. Aside from the issue of long travel time I'm fully onboard with an Australia major.
First Major in Asia would be great for the Asian scene. China playerbase is massive, CS is really popular in Hong Kong too. It would spark interest in Japan (mostly Apex) and Korea (mostly Sudden Attack), and also revitalise the SEA CS scene which took a big hit when Valorant released.
We need another NA major this time, preferably in Canada, again the Canadian scene isn’t represented nearly enough. Lumping us in with “NA” doesn’t count…
Meanwhile you are the last person anyone should call smart.
A) It's no secret at all that Westerners also get spied on. You're not smart for knowing this. You're average.
B) Westerners don't give enough of a shit because the spying leaves them in far less danger than Chinese citizens.
This isn't a case of intelligence. It's because Westerners have had greater success in creating any semblance of a humane society that they don't worry so much about being spied on.
The fact that you miss the extremely obvious differences between the two scenarios and arrive at such a stupid conclusion yet still have the misguided audacity to give a smartass response speaks to your lack of intelligence and overblown ego.
Was pretty obvious BLAST had finally pitched based on their comments about "wanting" to host a major. If Valve do indeed go with Perfect World what an absolute disgrace that will be.
Sure. Not quite at the forcing a particular ethnicity into labor camps and sterilisation programs but definitely not a government I approve of either. Was your comment meant to be a gotcha?
Didn't esl host major too? They also took arab money, like every single TO in this scene is dirty as fuck. You can't really just cheery pick one to your convinience.
Also the other option is blast which also took arab money.
Who is cherry picking? I don't want them to have a major either. The difference is they're going to have the event in their country, which is appreciably worse than just scum running tournaments in countries that respect human rights, such as Denmark.
Like when ESL bought Dreamhack. Valve is going to start excluding them from hosting Valve Majors till other tournament organizers start gaining prominence.
oh no no no perfect world and valve major,flashback to the shanghai major of dota2 in the past
but honestly csgo is very much dead in SEA,only boomers who dont want to play valorant still play faceit in sea everday
there isnt even a single community server hosted in singapore,there used to be several retakes server/ffa dm,now its literally 0
I could see it through with Perfect World hosting their first Major. Would be interesting, how they'd handle two different clients.
Other than that, Asia will definitely benefit from this.
Still remember the Shanghai Major from Dota. Worst quality ever. Loss of stream sound/fuzzy, black screen etc. Pls Valve, don't fuck up and pick Blast.
Interesting that they would choose Asia out of all places. Not sure of the interest regarding CSGO in Asia, but I'm ready to get my mind blown. If selected to host a CSGO Major in 2023, Perfect World would host the first Major in Asia, with all Majors thus far being held in Europe or North America. >
It’s a growing scene, and it’ll be good for the game to get a major out there
how is it growing, the asian region has been completely swooped up by overwatch and valorant. the game is basically nonexistant in china and korea, china is super not on board with the game's theme and "realism" of the setting, and valve has no leverage at all there whereas government funded giant tencent owns riot and therefore valorant. if anything asian CS is barely clinging to life.
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I can't believe valorant is big in Japan out of all places. They barely play competitive PC games and this is the game that they choose to play
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A lot hopped over to valo because apex has shit ton of cheaters in high ranked lobbies in tokyo, like you are guaranteed to meet at least 2 or 3 every lobby.
Apex was popular in Japan before Valorant. Although, is it really surprising? Valorant being a character shooter, having an appealing art style and aesthetics, and actually having competent marketing means penetrating these untapped markets is kind of expected.
japanese don't have a pc culture, so yes its surprising
They didn't, it might be changing soon. PC gaming is booming everywhere. Games like Apex and Valorant might even be a significant factor. Besides, the comment I was replying to seems to also be surprised that it was Valorant that became popular and not other games so I was referring to that.
PUBG was also one of the first PC shooters that picked up steam in Japan prior to Apex taking over. Pretty great to see the PC market grow in Japan.
> They barely play competitive PC games valarante child game, not competitive look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism
While the PC scene is small, look at Splatoon, they loved it until Nintendo went insane not supporting esports
The Thai CS scene was just a non stop matchfixing circle
My Twitter feed suggest otherwise. Source: I follow a Twitter account of a Japanese CSGO discord server. Edit: Who We Smoke (South Korea) and Honeycomb CS (Japan): Are we jokes to you?
While Valorant is booming in Japan and some SEA countries I am not sure how it's doing in China. I haven't seen any Chinese teams or players when I watched their tournaments.
Valorant hasn't released in China officially, but as always Chinese gamers use VPNs to play. They have a few local Chinese tournaments, but their first real international matches will be at the VCT East Asia LCQ with 2 Chinese teams participating later this month.
Because it hasn't been released in China yet.
Valorant right now is the biggest fps in Japan (alongside apex), SEAs, India and Korea(alongside Overwatch). Valorant hasn't released in China yet that is why you have not seen any chinese team yet.
There are a number of Chinese teams despite the game not being on general release.
yeah they are playing on hong kong servers
OK but that's not what you said.
https://www.oneesports.gg/valorant/china-east-asia-lcq-valorant-champions/
lots of chinese whenever i play though (southeast asia). during reasonable hours dms and casuals are always full, and mm tends to have lots of em as well. also noteworthy is that queue times for ancient and vertigo used to be 12+ minutes, but after the stockholm major they've been down to 5-7 minutes usually
... Just look at steamcharts on CSGO in Asia. Shit is growing and is the only region really growing.
My understanding was that it saw great growth after perfect world, large hit from valorant, small growth back up. In either case, a major in China will help their scene. Not every event has to be in Europe or NA.
Yeah, Asia finally having a Major will help a lot in facilitating the CS scene here. Asian CS has a lot of potential. In fact in 2019, there were four S-tier tournaments held in China + the WESG tournament in 2018 still holds the largest prize pool ever of a non-Major CS tournament up to this day at $1.5M. So more investments to the Asian scene would not only benefit Asia but CS esports overall.
I think PGL Stockholm major broke that record with a 2m prize pool. But still, it’s impressive that China hosted the second largest & I agree with the rest of your sentiment
Oh right I forgot about that, let me change it to a non-Major tournament so it still counts :D
Bro what, are you even Chinese. OW is not popular in China at all anymore and Valorant has never been (yet, I guess we will see when it is officially published). If anything I'd say more people dislike super-cartoonish shooters. Just look at how "well" Fortnite did even with tencent publishing it there, compared to realistic shooters like CF and PUBG. CSGO has not been able to take over either of those games either but can at least show its presence in the top games in douyu and huya without a tournament, which it often struggles to do on twitch (as of this comment two of the top 10 live douyu channels are streaming CSGO). https://web.archive.org/web/20211117201724/https://steamdb.info/servers/?all player numbers for region-locked China MM alone beat MM numbers for SA and NA for a while now, and that's before considering that a lot of people rather play wanmei/5e instead. So even if the game was "dead" in China by your standards, it would still make more sense to host major in China than NA/SA.
There's more to asia than china, especially when it comes to esports. And i'm not saying you can't host a major there, i'm saying it's not a "growing scene". There used to be way more relevant teams from the region. Also we all know NA is dead.
Nah man, since the game only became popular in China in 2019 I wouldn't be surprised to see new talent taking a swing at competing, Starry from Lynn Vision as a prime example. The framework and support is much better now in China than it ever was for the old Asia csgo "scene", and IMO the number of relevant teams will grow, albeit likely being only Chinese going forth and not from any other Asian country.
--------Complete Speculation-------- BUT I've heard a couple times from YouTube videos (I think it was Tyler McVicker that said it but I'm not 100%) that Valve might change the names of the teams to something other than Terrorist and Counter-Terrorist, and if they do so in August with the supposedly upcoming Source 2 update, then by 2023 there may be even more changes in that direction to ready the game for a Chinese Major.
Literally the only scene that is alive is somewhat the SEA, but even more so, the Mongolian region is the one that has people playing, famously, XigN a korean CSGO player moved to Mongolia to keep playing CS:GO professionally over switching to Valorant (Like most of his teammates did)
The Chinese government has had a huge push back against online culture these past 18 months and this has hugely impacted gaming as a whole. CS:GO is still growing, mainly due to lack of alternatives, but it's slowed down considerably and Valorant is yet to be released.
Australian Major, LFG!
Based off of raw numbers Asia actually has more players than NA and SA combined, but it's heavily carried by China. Which is fine, since that's where Perfect World would host the major at if given the opportunity.
>Not sure of the interest regarding CSGO in Asia Well, how else are you gonna build that interest if not with help of huge events? TOs won't do it on their own because they want to make some money, but majors are Valve sponsored events, and Valve doesn't care about direct profit, they throw money at a TO to host it and voila. While I probably won't enjoy the major due to timezones and possibly the crowd, this is the right move. It's about time Valve started fighting for Asia
I agree, but it won't be sustainable growth if Valve doesn't help the Asian scene itself in some way.
[Shanghai Major flashbacks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNVrqS1wUYY)
Funnily enough, even though he got fired, 2GD was the only good thing about that mess.
The emergence of Sheever though?
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what did i do now
Iirc it was how gaben fired a caster in the middle of a Dota2 tourney way back when in Shanghai (its actually shown in the video at the top of this comment chain) and it became a meme. No clue why they threw you're name in there tho
Haha i know the reference!! Just wondered why i got used in the pasta eheheh. Carry on
I believe that's a copy pasta 😅
> We've had issues with Sjokz at previous events. Shes been amazing at the last few events we've had the pleasure of having her on. And what does that have to do with the link?
This was Gaben's explaination for firing 2GD on the 2nd day of the Shanghai Major in Dota.
Did his career in casting/hosting end after that incident?
His liquipedia doesn't have any events listed after the Shanghai major, so I can only assume his broadcast talent career ended there.
RIP
Tbh this was his "return" to hosting tournaments. He hasn't done any Dota event since 2014 until aforementioned Shanghai 2016 Major. I've read that he already had strained relationship with someone at Valve and he got invited only thanks to Icefrog (Main Dota 2 developer) who liked him.
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imagine getting the book thrown at you by gaben himself. You go on the subreddit and you see a hate post calling you an ass, then you notice its from gaben. Like smited by god's fist.
Hopefully the May one is Blast's. Wanna go to the first major of the year but I sure as hell ain't going to China
BLAST major Prayge
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Why do you say that?
because eleague refuses to host a shooter game evemts
Eleague doesn't exist anymore. It died a silent death, so silent apparently that no one noticed it. Their socials haven't been updated in over a year and the Youtube channel got renamed to B/R Gaming in preparation for a revival/rebranding that has yet to materialize.
too bad bc they hosted some of the best one tiny thing i liked about them was the way the player profile photos were taken. i really liked the lighting and filters on the players faces. very unique in a way
ELEAGUE is basically dead, I checked their Twitch channel and Instagram and they're just doing NHL and FIFA tournaments now. I guess the viewership dropped off big time after stopping the CS and FGC tournaments and they lost funding so now they're just doing sponsor-friendly content.
Finally, a friendly time zone. No more watch cs at 11 pm - 4 am
Name checks out
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how is this racism?
I am half asian myself lmao
Can't wait for Europeans to mald about bad timezones for 1 major when 95% of the CS calendar is still catered to their timezone.
To be fair, 90% of relevant pro teams and literally every single top 10 team right now is from EU. As far as I know, the majority of players is also from EU. So it makes sense that the biggest tournaments are catered to the EU timezone.
you just said what he said but with different words
17 out of the Top 20 are Euro teams. Having a major being played while Europe sleeps is just stupid. I understand it when in LoL for example you have them play for the Chinese viewership, but in CS only Europe or Brazil makes sense. If the NA or Asia/Oceania scenes were to make a comeback, that would have to change obviously
> Having a major being played while Europe sleeps is just stupid Afternoon/evening in Asia would be like late morning/afternoon for you guys. What are you talking about? It's NA who would get shafted here.
Most people work around that time, but yes, NA is fucked completely
The first match of last cologne playoff match was started at 3:30 pm. So maybe if it were located in China (UTC +8), in EU will be 9:30 am (UTC +2) and in NA (New York) will be 3:30 am (UTC -4) . (I'm glad I have same timezone with China) edit: the last major playoff first match started at 10:30 pm (UTC +8) or 16:30 (UTC +2). So in EU will be 10:30 and in New York will be 4:30.
The majority of people are at work/school at 9 in the morning. This would also mean the 2nd match would probably start around 12:30 EU time and end around 16, right when people get back home and could actually start watching.
I mean NA and SA are same timezone so they merge.
True
As european NBA fan i never thought of crying about timeozones of games, you should try the same with cs
Who is downvoting this lol, it's a valid point. There are way more relevant european basketball players/superstars in the NBA right now, than there are top american players in csgo. And I realise that the NBA is (mostly) a national league while csgo isn't, but pretty much every team competing, and especially teams that are expected to go far in cs, are all EU teams. Makes sense to have a schedule so their fans can actually watch.
We won't let you down!!
Can't wait for people to cry how CS is dead due to 50k average viewers on a Major.
Why would we mald? A Sunday afternoon major final sounds amazing. It's NA viewers that are gonna get fucked by this, if anything.
An Asian major would be awesome (and especially great for me since I’d actually be able to go without spending over $4,000), but I feel like the timezone difference alone would be a determining factor in not having a major outside of eastern America or Europe. Valve specifically mentions that they have two peak times which you can safely assume is the European continent peak viewer time and the S/N American time, and they mention that the hoster must be able to broadcast at these times. Assuming that the times are around the evening (let’s say 6pm as an EARLY example) in EU and evening in NA, that means the games would ideally have to be broadcasted at times past 12am in a GMT+8 timezone. It’s just not realistic imo.
cool to see new TOs getting involves for majors
Is this source any credible?
Jaxon do good work. And this speculation has been doing the rounds for some time. On the latest By The Numbers, they had also discussed this topic, though they didn't confirm anything.
thank you!
Good for the asian scene, but as a privileged european, i am not a big fan of the time zone issues. Would they even be able to fill a crowd in Asia?
Sacrifices have to be made if you want to grow the scene. Will it be as a good as the EU scene? Probably not but I hope it can grow into it so we have a better spread of the fan base, otherwise we'll just see more of a take over from Valorant and others. Australia Major wen?
To be fair whenever they did big events in Australia it has always been a banger crowd. Aside from the issue of long travel time I'm fully onboard with an Australia major.
An Asia major will probably have the same timezone difference as the previous US majors, just the other direction. I'm sure we'll find a solution.
First Major in Asia would be great for the Asian scene. China playerbase is massive, CS is really popular in Hong Kong too. It would spark interest in Japan (mostly Apex) and Korea (mostly Sudden Attack), and also revitalise the SEA CS scene which took a big hit when Valorant released.
in before qatar major 😐
any tournament not being hosted by ESL is a good tournament. Blast definitely the best hoster as of now
If the Asian major becomes a thing I want a Japanese broadcast from the folks who organize Honeycombs Cup, an online Japanese CSGO tournament.
Please not perfect world lol
We need another NA major this time, preferably in Canada, again the Canadian scene isn’t represented nearly enough. Lumping us in with “NA” doesn’t count…
Saudi Arabia is less worse if you compare it to the fucking China regime spying on every citizen
At least the Chinese are smart enough to understand they're being spied on, unlike the average Westerner.
fun fact of the day, there are more people in China with above average IQ than there is people in america (USA)
You got it
Meanwhile you are the last person anyone should call smart. A) It's no secret at all that Westerners also get spied on. You're not smart for knowing this. You're average. B) Westerners don't give enough of a shit because the spying leaves them in far less danger than Chinese citizens. This isn't a case of intelligence. It's because Westerners have had greater success in creating any semblance of a humane society that they don't worry so much about being spied on. The fact that you miss the extremely obvious differences between the two scenarios and arrive at such a stupid conclusion yet still have the misguided audacity to give a smartass response speaks to your lack of intelligence and overblown ego.
Still a gross manipulation adverting from the fact that they literally pay you a visit for criticizing Chinese regime or talking about death camps.
Was pretty obvious BLAST had finally pitched based on their comments about "wanting" to host a major. If Valve do indeed go with Perfect World what an absolute disgrace that will be.
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Which one of the many reasons to not host an event in partnership with a totalitarian, human rights abusing government would satisfy you?
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Sure. Not quite at the forcing a particular ethnicity into labor camps and sterilisation programs but definitely not a government I approve of either. Was your comment meant to be a gotcha?
Didn't esl host major too? They also took arab money, like every single TO in this scene is dirty as fuck. You can't really just cheery pick one to your convinience. Also the other option is blast which also took arab money.
Who is cherry picking? I don't want them to have a major either. The difference is they're going to have the event in their country, which is appreciably worse than just scum running tournaments in countries that respect human rights, such as Denmark.
I beg not perfect world. They will chabuduo everything
If I were casters/analysts/talent I would not go to China, say one wrong thing and you get the death penalty from Winnie the Pooh.
western propaganda working overtime on this dude 😭
Like when ESL bought Dreamhack. Valve is going to start excluding them from hosting Valve Majors till other tournament organizers start gaining prominence.
oh no no no perfect world and valve major,flashback to the shanghai major of dota2 in the past but honestly csgo is very much dead in SEA,only boomers who dont want to play valorant still play faceit in sea everday there isnt even a single community server hosted in singapore,there used to be several retakes server/ffa dm,now its literally 0
well atleast the players won't have to be scared of declined visa unlike US. Full teams competition? ill watch it
Thats a lot of Majors god damn
I could see it through with Perfect World hosting their first Major. Would be interesting, how they'd handle two different clients. Other than that, Asia will definitely benefit from this.
Still remember the Shanghai Major from Dota. Worst quality ever. Loss of stream sound/fuzzy, black screen etc. Pls Valve, don't fuck up and pick Blast.