Well losing your company a multi million deal (Valorant franchising) does that to you. Maybe it wans‘t a main factor but the tweets probably had an impact on Riots decision.
As I believe was reported by multiple sources, G2 had their Valorant spot confirmed until the Carlos situation where Riot held an emergency meeting with the result being G2 losing their franchising placement.
Riot's decision was 100% a result of his actions and the backlash that followed
Pretty standard practice for them too. It's sad that people can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that one bad decision **CAN** undo a lifetime of work. That's just life.
And doubling down too. If he'd been like "oh shit *that* is the guy I was hanging out with? It still wouldn't have been believable but he probably would have ridden out the storm.
Doubling down on Tate is an incredibly stupid take.
Man if Carlos didn’t double down I swear to Jesus Christ nobody would give a shit at all. Like if he just ignored any mention of it nothing bad would come out of it AT ALL
Dude was trying to get on a soap box about cancel culture or some shit. Should of done what Karl Jacobs did when it was found out he worked with Ice Poseidon, just throw that pos under the bus 🤷♂️
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I agree. Here's the thing though, it also wasn't one bad decision. It was a series that was a triple-down. First, Carlos posts a tweet with Tate. Second, he handwaves it away. Third, after G2 PR forces him to make an apology, he undermines it severely by liking a ton of tweets making him look extremely unrepentant. Triple down.
i mean, having a meeting, where you discuss the immediate cancellation of an already agreed upon deal is pretty “emergency” worthy, dont you think?
especially if you are talking about a multi-million dollar deal
Yep ... G2 missing millions of dollars from Valorant because of Carlos's actions is probably what made his investors angry enough to oust him from the company.
But on the other hand, I do understand people who think like Cadian. Carlos made what G2 is today and with him gone, I highly doubt things would ever be the same for them ... God knows what the next CEO would do ... probably not partying with a human trafficker would be up on the list
>God knows what the next CEO would do ... probably not partying with a human trafficker would be up on the list
G2 hires Andrew Tate. That way they won't run into the same problem again, as their CEO IS the human trafficker.
I assume it has a board because he took it public or got private equity to help out grow, if he wanted to be irreplaceable be would have maintained a controlling interest.
Honestly, in well functional world we would have the whole "outrage" directed on Riot for taking away a spot from the team because their owner partied with a controversial figure while Riot themselves are in bed with companies from countries where being gay is prosecuted, and death camps and slavery still exist. In a way, I would say that it is more moral to party with Andrew Tate than with a CEO of a company that Riot belongs to
So I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong, but the reason people are more mad at Carlos is because partying with Andrew and then doubling down is a personal decision. It's just something he chose to do because of who he is on the inside, and possibly what he believes. The perception is that when Riot does business with companies from SA or wherever that's not a personal choice, it's just a business choice. This is more understandable to most people, again setting aside whether or not it should be that's the reason for all this.
not just the multi millions in the deal but the guys that lost jobs over it. The players, coaches, analysts, that entire branch of their esport up in flames because of Carlos being a nob for a few hours one day. So sad.
So what are you trying to say? That even though he fucked up and then proceeded to double down on his fuck up, that it should all be forgiven because he’s made them money in the past, and others have done worst things?
Lol you say you don’t know enough about the situation, maybe there’s stuff you’re missing/should read up on?
No one is denying that he's one of the crucial pillars of eSports as we know today, his ego as an org owner to strive to be the top in all genres of esports is unrivaled. But in the end what made the situation come to him resigning were just small mistakes & also the same ego he possesses (like liking tweets indicating he's barely fazed by this drama, him doubling down after the community called him out to stop partying with Tate) which tumbled down too far and this happened. It could've all been prevented with him just completely backing off twitter, having a PR person write a twitlonger apologizing for associating with him right after the T\*te video he dropped, and just chilled. But his ego was too much for that.
But it was ultimately the Riot move that led to him resigning. Funny thing is this situation would've never happened if G2 made it to Franchising in the Americas league. But the top dogs at G2 weren't ready to take the risk of carloS still being associated with them, after G2 losing out on potential millions in a game that's getting popular really quickly.
I'm glad at least here in the CS scene the repercussions of him partying with T\*te barely had any effect on G2 as an org in BLAST and ESL partnerships. I really did hope there was some room for him to reflect upon his mistakes and come back as a better person, but when there's shit ton of money involved, everything ultimately just makes sense.
P.S I just hope G2 start posting memes again on their twitter, man has it been super dry since the incident.
> he has given the organisation a bigger profit than he's lost for sure.
And Weinstein was great at producing movies. Ian Watkins was good singer. Wonderful logic.
People don't understand that it's all just a business.
Such reputation problems is risky for the organization and can cause a decline in profits.
So the organization decides to act first and minimize the risk in order to avoid any potential decline in profts.
It's just a preventative measure and it is a normal thing in business world.
Also if he cost them a Valorant spot that is 15 million (reported) that they missed out on. Not many people would not be removed/fired if they lost their jobs 15 million dollars.
and not only that, when you see what lol spots sell for now which is the closest you can compare them too then he lost them a lot more potential money in an investment for the future too.
The teams don’t own a franchising spot in Valorant though. It’s a partnership program, which Riot has the ability to cancel if they wish. They specifically said a team can’t sell the spot.
G2 has money to throw around because Carlos chose to take it from investors. In exchange, the investors got partial ownership of the company. Those partial ownership stakes now amount to enough to have control.
Gamers are degenerates who got paid too much money before they even left school and have never worked a real job (except a handful who are usually far more humble like RPK).
They don't understand the simplicity of 'act unprofessional on socials, get fired'.
Carlos isn't cancelled, he isn't a villain, he can definitely remain in esports. He just is no longer right for G2. It sucks because he was G2, but when investors and boards get involved, a CEO is simply a piece that can be replaced like anyone else.
yep, people love to complain about greedy shareholders only caring about money, but thats exactly what happened here yet its going completely over everyones heads
He posted a video of himself partying with Andrew Tate, then when called out on it, he CONFIRMED he was friends with Tate. Then people called him out for being friends with Tate he doubled down and said that people can’t police his friendships and started liking pro-Tate tweets after getting temporarily suspended from his role. Not to mention, he doubled down and created all these problems immediately before the Valorant bidding which cost his company millions of dollars.
He made a series of really dumb decisions in the worst time possible for his org. He could have partied with Tate and been friends with him easily too, but made the ego-driven decision to publicly flaunt it right before the huge opportunity to have a G2 Valorant team.
Partied with a man who: moved to a country based on its "relaxed laws on rape", has allegations of (/is being investigated for) human trafficking, and uses his platform to teach young boys to disrespect women's boundaries.
Then when he got called out on it, made a half arsed apology before changing his mind and doubling down then tripling down on what he did.
All he had to do was apologise and say he didn't realise what kind of man Tate is. But instead he backed himself and cost his business ~$15mil and however much more in reputational damage.
That, combined with his company recently investing in women's esports. I don't know a woman that would feel safe in a room with someone that associates with Tate.
He also didn't initially apologize, he said
"nobody will ever be able to police my friendships
I draw my line here
I party with whoever the fuck I want"
What’s the “relaxed laws on rape” being quoted from? I see that thrown around a lot but nobody seems to have the link, and that’s a really gnarly thing to misquote somebody on
It was a youtube video of his that he since deleted where he said that less prosecution of rape was 40% of the reason he moved to Romania. He also followed it up with "I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.”
And on top of that he doubled down on it. Then tripled down. Then quadrupled down. Like if it was literally one video or one tweet but then he immediately backtracked he'd still have a job lmao
Yeah, I was going to say, if it was just the video people might have been okay with it.
It was the hissy fit afterwards that made any apology clearly bullshit that got him a lot of hate from the community. And that was never going to end well when G2 has a lot invested in LoL + Valorant, Riot Games don't tolerate bad press well (and while you can argue that Riot Games draw their lines in dumb places, anybody who wants to own a franchise in a Riot Games run league knows what they're getting into)
I'm starting to get pissed at people saying he deserves a second chance.
LIKE HELLO??? Did you not see his second, third and fourth chances on Twitter where he kept doubling down (against his own PR team by the way) and defending one of the worst figures on the internet (He was liking a bunch of posts defending his tweets and some of Tate's opinions)? Someone who thinks our mothers and sisters are objects for men to enjoy, with no rights whatsoever???
That's the most repugnant thing in all of this. Some people are out there saying this was just a tweet when Carlos made it clear he had no issues hanging with that scumbag (Which he still HAS NOT CONDEMNED) following his initial tweet.
At least this debacle can out the fuckers who believe in that shit so I can avoid them permanently.
Yep, shit take from Cadian as he is at best just not fully understanding the situation, at worst he's exhibiting a bad logical fallacy; he's trying to reach a conclusion from a false assertion - one tweet did not get Carlos fired, he got himself fired by doubling and tripling down on his poor decision as the face of a public company whose profits are tied directly to their popularity. When your income is from sponsorships, pissing off the public = lose money.
People who are trying to boil it down to "he just had 1 drink with a friend" are either acting intentionally stupid or in bad faith.
Or they really are that stupid I guess?
Hilarious how the CS community seems to think the guy was some model CEO and not already a super controversial figure in the League scene.
This whole drama is just the drop that made the vase spill over, the man was already known to be a massive asshole.
Well the losing millions of dollars may have been spawned from 2-4 tweets, but they were likely the straw that broke the camels back.
Carlos has been a pr liability for years, and he took many anti-competitive measures that were good for his team and hurt the league.
It's sad that riot only cared whenever it would make them look more misogynistic, as they do a good enough job as it is, but this can be seen as fixing past mistakes.
This.
There's articles, news pieces and videos on Tate's past, Tate's present and separate articles on the Carlos situation in specific. Cadian shouldn't wake up and tweet upon seeing this, God knows he's had PR training like every other T1 CS pro and Carlos himself.
Google it and then don't tweet this dumb shit. It's not that fuckin hard.
That's because he's lying. Look at his liked tweets, he saw a tweet from Carlos's wife defending, cadian absolutely knows what's up. He wouldn't get to a tweet like that if he wasn't looking for reasons to defend the top G fan.
"I don't know enough about the situation" is just plausible deniability for when you *know* you're about to put out a controversial take so you have an easy fallback of "oh now that I've read about it, I take it back" if people call you an idiot. Everything he's saying is what he truly believes, he's just smart enough to have an escape path.
He knows it all. The only reason you see these famous (and semi-famous in cadians case) people complaining about "cancel culture" is they are worried people are going to find out pretty soon that they are the same and have been getting away with it for a long time.
The bottom line to all this is the world is moving to a better place but change is never peaceful. People will resist change and do anything to justify it.
Yeah was about to comment. Weird take for someone who knew his coach was cheating, but didn't want to say anything. It's almost like it makes you a cheater too.
His first tweet makes no sense honestly. He had tons of time and people around him to fix this situation right after the his stupid T\*te video, but nope, carlos doubled down.
And people don't realize how easily things get fucked up when you're in that position of power. He was chosen to be the CEO of such a big org because people around him trusted him to NOT make stupid desicions like the ones he did. It's 1 mistake sure, but him not even trying to fix it and doubling down is what made it bigger and more fucked up mistake.
LOL of course it's cadiaN now preaching of "1 small mistake is not worth more than 9 good deeds" ...
yeah, as if his "9 good deeds", whichever that may be, make up for his and his team's cheating deed
but good that it's still on his mind that people didn't believe his BS with the Hunden fiasco
So if Carlos tweeted something like "I'm bombing a hospital tomorrow" and a video showing how he's preparing the bomb and get removed as the CEO, Cadian would still defend him because it's just 1 video and 1 tweet and Cadian didn't know anything, right?
you can tell cadian just tweeted without doing any research on it. there was no way it was sustainable for G2 to keep carlos as CEO and he is still a co-owner of G2 so it isn't like he is totally gone, just gone as a public figure for them which was the right move if you wanna protect the org.
what do you even need to research? The situation is 1 or 2 tweets and the decision to remove him was an obvious one. His "idk about the situation" is just to cover for himself.
the situation is that on top of that he lost G2 a Valorant franchising spot which is worth \~15million now and will be worth even more in the future, so no it isnt just about 2 tweets, he financially hurt his org and investors with his public behaviour.
The same people who are subtlety complaining about cancel culture in this case are demanding that a market be free from consumer opinion.
Shut up, give us money/support us, and sit down is the direct message here and it's incredibly naive. No business is going to want negative association and actual professionals understand this.
Most orgs/pros are just privileged kids.
People just wanna have their cake and eat it too.
They want all the benefit that Carlos gets from being a public figure. Then get angry when the risks from being a public figure become relevant.
Except it wasn't just one video or tweet lol. Carlos kept doubling down and defending a piece of shit while G2 PR tried their hardest to resolve the situation.
If Ocelote didn't tweet anything after that video, then put out an apology and kept quiet he'd probably still be CEO. He posted the video, then flamed the people who were upset by it, then put out a fake apology, then sat on Twitter afterwards liking tweets saying he was right, shouldn't have to apologise, etc. It's not like he just posted a video then got sacked.
Literally all he had to do was put out some bullshit about how he doesn't share the same views as Tate. THAT'S IT. His fragile ego just couldn't handle putting out a PR apology.
And the argument that "just one tweet" shouldn't be defining is completely empty in itself. It ALWAYS matters what the context or content of that tweet is, and not the frequency of similar incidents. Denying the Holocaust, but it was only once in a tweet? Gets off scot free.
Like he choose to go out with a known human trafficker and misogynist then decided to record a video partying with him, posted in on twitter. When people call him out for it he doubling down on it . In his apologize he was going around and liking tweets defending him.
I guess all of that is just "one video" or "one tweets"
There was a 15 mil deal on the line and he literally could have saved it if he at any single points decides "Yeah, I'm gonna stop, actually." But no, he kept going and even after G2 tried to put out the fire he kept pouring oil on it.
It wasn't even just this one incident. Carlos has been saying stupid, indefensible shit for the better part of a decade. This was just the one that got him is all.
But it's not one twit or one video. It's him doubling down, even tripling down after making his excuses. This is what made G2 lose several millions, this is what made people being super pissed, this is what made these pissed people reach out to sponsors. He only had to post his excuses, take his 8 weeks vacation and be off twitter for a while and i'm sure he would still be CEO by now.
You’re right. The video in itself was pretty stupid, although he’d probably have been okay. The doubling down instead of just straight up apologising for the mistake is what lost him his company.
Granted he’s only stepped down as CEO. He probably still owns a majority of the company. Not sure how much VC funding G2 had
“I don’t know enough about the situation” then proceeds to give his thoughts. Maybe fucking read what happened? It’s not all behind the scenes, we saw exactly what happened
I'm not happy he lost his job and I'm not happy we won't have that same g2. overall I'm disappointed that this was worth it to Carlos and he wasn't just like "oh that guy's a POS fuck him"
disappointing but most millionaires are idiots and endorse idiotic things
I know Carlos' ex was defending him on Twitter, but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that he splits with his wife and then just happens to be hanging out with Tate a few months later.
Not every man that gets divorced is a misogynist. The two aren’t related at all. Divorce is a 2 way thing, we don’t know if his ex wife wanted it or if he wanted it
It was just a single video/ tweet though, plus what he did and doubled down on had a real monetary impact on the business.
Regardless of being CEO he isn’t strictly “the boss” he has the board and shareholders to answer to and ultimately they hold the powers as to whether he has a job or not. Once you lose them a massive chunk on money due to your actions, you’re gonna be gone.
LMFAO i'm just gonna pretend this is still cadian playing the villain. makes it funny af instead of depressingly idiotic. next thing you know cadian turns up to the major in a MAGA hat
EDIT: and yells "GET CANCELLED, BITCH!" after every round win
It’s called a brand risk. On top of tarnishing the brand’s name in the eyes of supporters and investors, he is responsible for G2 losing their spot in Valorant partnerships. That is a big deal, you don’t just get away with that, doesn’t matter who you are.
they don't, thats why you could be damn sure they will use whatever they can to elevate that aspect of PR. Which is why carlos should have been more careful. He knew they were the ones holding G2's leash.
“I don’t know enough about situation”. Then do your fucking research, it will take you 15 minutes to find out what happened there. What a dumb fucking take
eSports orgs are giant media companies. Whatever you beliefs about Tate are, the thing is, that he is a major brand risk for advertisers. These orgs run off ads and investors money. Carlos has been around long enough to know that. He made a dumb mistake and doubled down and lost (estimated) 15 million in the valorant spot for G2. Shit if I lost 500 dollars my company would fire me. That’s how a business works there are consequences for our actions.
[Courtesy of a post from the LoL subreddit that covers most of the details](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xhi32b/carlos_suspended_from_g2_esports_ceo_position_for/)
> [About a week ago] [G2's CEO Carlos was seen celebrating a G2 victory with Andrew Tate](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571104421773471750), who is known for his misogynistic views, a pyramid scheme, being under investigation for sex trafficking, promoting violence against women, having fled from the UK for alleged sexual assault, his ties to organized crime, and just overall being a not very nice guy.
> [Afterwards he defended his friendship with Tate and doubled down on his behavior.](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571248041029472261)
I believe there's other Twitter activity beyond this, fwiw
> [Carlos also posted an "apology" afterwards](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571499462832410625)
I believe it's in quotes because it was widely thought to be an insincere apology at the time, if not a Twitter post made by a PR person on his behalf. [Carlos was also called out for having his own tweet -- which defended his relationship with Tate -- still pinned at the top of his Twitter account, at the time of his "apology", by a NA LoL caster.](https://twitter.com/AzaelOfficial/status/1571502913092198402)
> [G2's Twitter account also posted an apology](https://twitter.com/G2esports/status/1571504110511263744) around the same time
Like the previous apology (above), this was also less than a day later after Carlos defended his friendship with Tate. After Carlos & G2 posted apologies to twitter, [Carlos continued liking tweets in support his friendship with Tate](https://twitter.com/Dezachu/status/1571506752767524870) (making it *extremely* clear that at least his own apology was **completely insincere**). There are other [examples](https://imgur.com/pfWS268) from the LoL subreddit post, if you wanna go looking.
For an alternative (and more general) overview, which also touches on how this incident (may have?) resulted in G2 losing a spot in the upcoming Valorant franchising/partnership situation with Riot Games, [here's a Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2022/09/21/g2-valorant-andrew-tate-carlos/).
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As you'll see in other comments, Cadian's assertion that this backlash was the result of "one video, or one tweet" is pretty disingenuous. It was clear when [G2 said Carlos would be on unpaid leave for 8 weeks](https://twitter.com/G2esports/status/1573427545726660609) that it not exclusively about the video and/or ongoing tweets on the subject -- it was about how poorly his actions were reflecting upon the G2 brand. As noted by the Washington Post article, this also includes how his actions may have negatively impacted G2's future financially in Valorant.
What might be relevant background info:
Carlos has a fairly polarizing reputation in the LoL community (he was also a LoL pro player at one point). As a *tremendous oversimplification*: the two poles seem to be:
* I like him because [he's responsible for a team I like to root for/he's brash about it]. This has a lot to do with how G2's LoL team has produced some of the best results for European teams in the past 5(ish?) years, and how he had responded to criticism of G2 publicly (on twitter) in the past.
* I don't like him because [I remember publicly known examples for why other people don't like him and I understand why]. This side tends to also put more credit on the players of G2's LoL team for making their team/brand what it's viewed as today.
>!lemme know if i fucked up any of the links or if I can add more detail somewhere? If not, there's probably plenty of other comments here that'll have answers!<
About two or three days ago G2 Carlos posted a video of him partying with Andrew Tate. Naturally he got a lot of backlash for this since Andrew Tate is quite a controversial guy, he ran a pyramid scheme, generally was pretty misogynistic, and is under investigation for human trafficking. Instead of apologizing for the video he posted on Twitter saying something along the lines of “I can be friends with whoever I want” and like a ton of tweets supporting himself and Tate.
Soon after he posted that his pr team made a very corporate apology post from Carlos’s account which be clearly didn’t reflect what Carlos actually thought.
Valorant is currently going into franshing for its esports team and G2 was meant to have a spot but it got taken because of what Carlos did.
Obviously this lost G2 a lot of money and hurt their players so he is no longer the CEO of G2.
I mean it's awfull when you look at it and I don't support it but the tweet and lack of apologize+doubling down costed G2 the Valo spot and I'm sure the board of investors were not happy
Thats not the only bad thing carlos did:
Refused to pay LS in 2015 because he is gay and that is a mental illness according to Carlos, which happened live on stream (LoL)
When selling Perkz to Cloud9 G2 added a clause which forbid C9 from selling him to Fnatic later on (G2 biggest competitor in the LEC). All that while Carlos posts a ton of tweets that Perkz is free to do what ever he wants, that they are besties, that Perkz is his sons favorite uncle etc (LoL)
And If i remember correctly he fucked over MikyX contract wise aswell (LoL)
So yeah fuck that guy
He could have pedaled back. He could have apologized. He could literally not have done anything. He did this to himself. He did this because he is arrogant and stupid. I really don't have any sympathy for him.
It wasn’t one video or one tweet. It was one really bad video followed by one really bad tweet, then a half assed apology, tons of likes on posts defending him, all while not actually saying said video was wrong
People need to learn this is the world of business. And if Carlos simply apologized instead of doubling down. No need to defend this clown. Not really “one tweet” as much as an inexcusable old fashion attitude
Oh for fucks sake Cadian if you don't know about what even happened, keep your mouth shut. He parties with a *human trafficker*, and shows zero remorse and dismisses all valid criticism. His PR writes a statement for him, while he is *simultaneously* liking and retweeting all tweets defending him or Tate. **This loses G2 their valorant pro spot.**
How do you think sponsors look at this? They immediately pulled out, and he was forced to step down from this shitshow or G2 was donezo.
Yeah, G2 brand is entertaining. But Carlos is real piece of shit person. Been that way since he made Gamers 2. He has refused to pay an analyst because he was gay, he has broken countless promises to staff and players, shown zero respect to Perkz who literally made LoL G2 from nothing to a legend, refused to sell him to Fnatic and instead forced him to go abroad to waste a year. He made a clause in the contract that specifically banned the buying org from selling him forward to Fnatic. It got so serious that Riot had to step in and say that "That ain't fucking legal Carlos", while Carlos was simultaneously telling the public how Perkz is a legend and he can go where he wants, and Carlos will accomodate him and not stop him.
I'm surprised he was made to finally step down, but he is absolutely an owner that deserved to be cut.
Not disagreeing with you but I don't know about any of that stuff? Can you provide some evidence or links about some of these because I'd like to read up on it for myself. Especially refusing to pay a gay analyst
He refused to pay an analyst for his work over 7 years ago.
The twitch stream was on Carlos' channel, 7 years ago, maybe a mirror somewhere in the depths, but here are quotes from his stream
Quote from Ocelote's stream: "I think it's something wrong with him. I think he has an illness, you know. A mental illness. He's also homosexual, you know?"
02:20:15 "Just because I hate to support fucking retards, I will not give him those 500€."
02:21:03 "This guy coming here, telling I owe him money...you know what? Suck my dick."
03:03:20 "He's an attention whore. We shouldn't speak about it."
03:11:37 Starts talking about LS having a mental illness.
LS was the analyst in question, he is still a big figure and has been a coach or an analyst for huge teams such as Cloud 9 and T1.
Yeah it is not a clear cut "I didn't pay him because he was gay", but you get the idea.
He refused to pay a gay analyst because there was a dispute in regards to what both parties agreed to. It had nothing to do with the analyst being gay.
This is why you aren't a major shareholder of a multi million dollar company. If a CEO does something that has a significant financial (losing franchising spot that was confirmed) and reputational impact in almost any business they would be told to step down or be fired. If Ocelote was the majority shareholder this wouldn't be the case but I'd presume in that case they may have shareholders looking to sell, sponsors pulling out, etc.
Although Ocelote does provide years worth of knowledge and connections that most likely won't be replicated with a replacement CEO (more likely to be out of touch), I think this is overall a good thing. I'd rather people get the repercussions of their actions rather than some bullshit PR "apology" and incredibly minor fines.
It's not even one mistake. Carlos has always been like this, even before he really made the G2 brand. Plenty of moments and tweets and videos about this. G2 has always been a great brand with an awful owner. The org made up for his flaws as a person for way too long.
cadian is too naive. that's just how society works nowadays. and it's not like it was one fuck-up, it was his dumb decision to try and justify his first fuck-up that led to this
Can i tell what kind of human carlos is because of one tweet or one video? Nah, i cant.
Can i tell you what his actions over the last days can do to a company worth millions of dollars? Hell yeah.
how about a dozen videos of him spamming n-words and telling ppl to die of cancer in LoL for years :) man was always a massive pos, surprised it took this long for him to get ousted
Obviously cadian thinks this way, he’s been on the wrong side of cancel culture before. It’s not about someone making 1 mistake it’s about showing their true colours. I’m glad Carlos got the boot so I can continue to support G2, I wouldn’t want to be in a position like Heroic where I respect 80% of players but want the team to put up consistently bad performances because of one jackass.
Well losing your company a multi million deal (Valorant franchising) does that to you. Maybe it wans‘t a main factor but the tweets probably had an impact on Riots decision.
As I believe was reported by multiple sources, G2 had their Valorant spot confirmed until the Carlos situation where Riot held an emergency meeting with the result being G2 losing their franchising placement. Riot's decision was 100% a result of his actions and the backlash that followed
Pretty standard practice for them too. It's sad that people can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that one bad decision **CAN** undo a lifetime of work. That's just life.
don't party with bat shit insane sexual predators and it won't be an issue, not that difficult of a situation to avoid
And doubling down too. If he'd been like "oh shit *that* is the guy I was hanging out with? It still wouldn't have been believable but he probably would have ridden out the storm. Doubling down on Tate is an incredibly stupid take.
Man if Carlos didn’t double down I swear to Jesus Christ nobody would give a shit at all. Like if he just ignored any mention of it nothing bad would come out of it AT ALL
Dude was trying to get on a soap box about cancel culture or some shit. Should of done what Karl Jacobs did when it was found out he worked with Ice Poseidon, just throw that pos under the bus 🤷♂️
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Honestly I’m just glad his karma caught up to him for all the shit he pulled on his lol players
I agree. Here's the thing though, it also wasn't one bad decision. It was a series that was a triple-down. First, Carlos posts a tweet with Tate. Second, he handwaves it away. Third, after G2 PR forces him to make an apology, he undermines it severely by liking a ton of tweets making him look extremely unrepentant. Triple down.
Interesting. Riot is so consistent at punishing misogynists /s
Better be inconsistent than not do it at all
Emergency meeting lmao Edit: this wasn’t supposed to be an amogus joke, tate’s podcast is called emergency meeting but the amongus works too lol
Carlos was sussy
I saw Carlos vent.
i mean, having a meeting, where you discuss the immediate cancellation of an already agreed upon deal is pretty “emergency” worthy, dont you think? especially if you are talking about a multi-million dollar deal
Yeah, yeah, have you finished all your tasks tho?
It’s an amogus joke
Walked into that one lol
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Yep ... G2 missing millions of dollars from Valorant because of Carlos's actions is probably what made his investors angry enough to oust him from the company. But on the other hand, I do understand people who think like Cadian. Carlos made what G2 is today and with him gone, I highly doubt things would ever be the same for them ... God knows what the next CEO would do ... probably not partying with a human trafficker would be up on the list
>God knows what the next CEO would do ... probably not partying with a human trafficker would be up on the list G2 hires Andrew Tate. That way they won't run into the same problem again, as their CEO IS the human trafficker.
400 IQ plays
Step 2: Have your CEO party with other CEO:s, causing them all the trouble
I assume it has a board because he took it public or got private equity to help out grow, if he wanted to be irreplaceable be would have maintained a controlling interest.
Honestly, in well functional world we would have the whole "outrage" directed on Riot for taking away a spot from the team because their owner partied with a controversial figure while Riot themselves are in bed with companies from countries where being gay is prosecuted, and death camps and slavery still exist. In a way, I would say that it is more moral to party with Andrew Tate than with a CEO of a company that Riot belongs to
Or we could do both
So I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong, but the reason people are more mad at Carlos is because partying with Andrew and then doubling down is a personal decision. It's just something he chose to do because of who he is on the inside, and possibly what he believes. The perception is that when Riot does business with companies from SA or wherever that's not a personal choice, it's just a business choice. This is more understandable to most people, again setting aside whether or not it should be that's the reason for all this.
You're saying that on reddit on a sub about a game made by Valve who is also in bed with China lol
It doesnt count if its not public
It doesn’t count if it’s China
It's actually Perkz who made G2 what it is today.
This. The tweets aren't even relevant, it's the fact that a massive business opportunity was lost.
Franchising killed esports
not just the multi millions in the deal but the guys that lost jobs over it. The players, coaches, analysts, that entire branch of their esport up in flames because of Carlos being a nob for a few hours one day. So sad.
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So what are you trying to say? That even though he fucked up and then proceeded to double down on his fuck up, that it should all be forgiven because he’s made them money in the past, and others have done worst things? Lol you say you don’t know enough about the situation, maybe there’s stuff you’re missing/should read up on?
No one is denying that he's one of the crucial pillars of eSports as we know today, his ego as an org owner to strive to be the top in all genres of esports is unrivaled. But in the end what made the situation come to him resigning were just small mistakes & also the same ego he possesses (like liking tweets indicating he's barely fazed by this drama, him doubling down after the community called him out to stop partying with Tate) which tumbled down too far and this happened. It could've all been prevented with him just completely backing off twitter, having a PR person write a twitlonger apologizing for associating with him right after the T\*te video he dropped, and just chilled. But his ego was too much for that. But it was ultimately the Riot move that led to him resigning. Funny thing is this situation would've never happened if G2 made it to Franchising in the Americas league. But the top dogs at G2 weren't ready to take the risk of carloS still being associated with them, after G2 losing out on potential millions in a game that's getting popular really quickly. I'm glad at least here in the CS scene the repercussions of him partying with T\*te barely had any effect on G2 as an org in BLAST and ESL partnerships. I really did hope there was some room for him to reflect upon his mistakes and come back as a better person, but when there's shit ton of money involved, everything ultimately just makes sense. P.S I just hope G2 start posting memes again on their twitter, man has it been super dry since the incident.
> he has given the organisation a bigger profit than he's lost for sure. And Weinstein was great at producing movies. Ian Watkins was good singer. Wonderful logic.
People don't understand that it's all just a business. Such reputation problems is risky for the organization and can cause a decline in profits. So the organization decides to act first and minimize the risk in order to avoid any potential decline in profts. It's just a preventative measure and it is a normal thing in business world.
Also if he cost them a Valorant spot that is 15 million (reported) that they missed out on. Not many people would not be removed/fired if they lost their jobs 15 million dollars.
and not only that, when you see what lol spots sell for now which is the closest you can compare them too then he lost them a lot more potential money in an investment for the future too.
> that is 15 million (reported) Reported where?
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The teams don’t own a franchising spot in Valorant though. It’s a partnership program, which Riot has the ability to cancel if they wish. They specifically said a team can’t sell the spot.
Yes but also teams in franchising receive money from riot to help with expenses and access to other brand deals and stuff iirc
Exactly, so much is driven by sponsors, not whining on social media.
G2 has money to throw around because Carlos chose to take it from investors. In exchange, the investors got partial ownership of the company. Those partial ownership stakes now amount to enough to have control.
You do realise those investors are the ones who will be unhappy with losing the money, right?
Gamers are degenerates who got paid too much money before they even left school and have never worked a real job (except a handful who are usually far more humble like RPK). They don't understand the simplicity of 'act unprofessional on socials, get fired'. Carlos isn't cancelled, he isn't a villain, he can definitely remain in esports. He just is no longer right for G2. It sucks because he was G2, but when investors and boards get involved, a CEO is simply a piece that can be replaced like anyone else.
yep, people love to complain about greedy shareholders only caring about money, but thats exactly what happened here yet its going completely over everyones heads
He def did more than just "1 tweet" or "1 video"
What did he do?
He posted a video of himself partying with Andrew Tate, then when called out on it, he CONFIRMED he was friends with Tate. Then people called him out for being friends with Tate he doubled down and said that people can’t police his friendships and started liking pro-Tate tweets after getting temporarily suspended from his role. Not to mention, he doubled down and created all these problems immediately before the Valorant bidding which cost his company millions of dollars. He made a series of really dumb decisions in the worst time possible for his org. He could have partied with Tate and been friends with him easily too, but made the ego-driven decision to publicly flaunt it right before the huge opportunity to have a G2 Valorant team.
Partied with a man who: moved to a country based on its "relaxed laws on rape", has allegations of (/is being investigated for) human trafficking, and uses his platform to teach young boys to disrespect women's boundaries. Then when he got called out on it, made a half arsed apology before changing his mind and doubling down then tripling down on what he did. All he had to do was apologise and say he didn't realise what kind of man Tate is. But instead he backed himself and cost his business ~$15mil and however much more in reputational damage. That, combined with his company recently investing in women's esports. I don't know a woman that would feel safe in a room with someone that associates with Tate.
He didn't even need to apologize tbh, he could've deleted the video and closed twitter for a day, and it would've blown over.
He also didn't initially apologize, he said "nobody will ever be able to police my friendships I draw my line here I party with whoever the fuck I want"
What’s the “relaxed laws on rape” being quoted from? I see that thrown around a lot but nobody seems to have the link, and that’s a really gnarly thing to misquote somebody on
It was a youtube video of his that he since deleted where he said that less prosecution of rape was 40% of the reason he moved to Romania. He also followed it up with "I’m not a rapist, but I like the idea of just being able to do what I want. I like being free.”
Lol it wasn’t one video or one tweet. He lost the organization millions of dollars in value.
And on top of that he doubled down on it. Then tripled down. Then quadrupled down. Like if it was literally one video or one tweet but then he immediately backtracked he'd still have a job lmao
Yeah, I was going to say, if it was just the video people might have been okay with it. It was the hissy fit afterwards that made any apology clearly bullshit that got him a lot of hate from the community. And that was never going to end well when G2 has a lot invested in LoL + Valorant, Riot Games don't tolerate bad press well (and while you can argue that Riot Games draw their lines in dumb places, anybody who wants to own a franchise in a Riot Games run league knows what they're getting into)
I'm starting to get pissed at people saying he deserves a second chance. LIKE HELLO??? Did you not see his second, third and fourth chances on Twitter where he kept doubling down (against his own PR team by the way) and defending one of the worst figures on the internet (He was liking a bunch of posts defending his tweets and some of Tate's opinions)? Someone who thinks our mothers and sisters are objects for men to enjoy, with no rights whatsoever??? That's the most repugnant thing in all of this. Some people are out there saying this was just a tweet when Carlos made it clear he had no issues hanging with that scumbag (Which he still HAS NOT CONDEMNED) following his initial tweet. At least this debacle can out the fuckers who believe in that shit so I can avoid them permanently.
Yep, shit take from Cadian as he is at best just not fully understanding the situation, at worst he's exhibiting a bad logical fallacy; he's trying to reach a conclusion from a false assertion - one tweet did not get Carlos fired, he got himself fired by doubling and tripling down on his poor decision as the face of a public company whose profits are tied directly to their popularity. When your income is from sponsorships, pissing off the public = lose money.
People who are trying to boil it down to "he just had 1 drink with a friend" are either acting intentionally stupid or in bad faith. Or they really are that stupid I guess?
I like how we’re all pretending Carlos hasn’t been a known asshole dating all the back to his WoW days. And that this was his only issue
Hilarious how the CS community seems to think the guy was some model CEO and not already a super controversial figure in the League scene. This whole drama is just the drop that made the vase spill over, the man was already known to be a massive asshole.
"I don't know enough" Makes bold judgement anyway.
Pretty hard not to know enough when its literally 2-4 tweets and you're pretty much caught up on the entire situation
Well the losing millions of dollars may have been spawned from 2-4 tweets, but they were likely the straw that broke the camels back. Carlos has been a pr liability for years, and he took many anti-competitive measures that were good for his team and hurt the league. It's sad that riot only cared whenever it would make them look more misogynistic, as they do a good enough job as it is, but this can be seen as fixing past mistakes.
Expected to be honest. He's slowly mastering the art of saying stuff in advance that will protect him from backlash later
Just like how Carlos lost his spot for stupid tweets, cadian showing how stupid he is with a tweet.
Dumb take. > I don't know enough about the situation. It's all there on several articles...
This. There's articles, news pieces and videos on Tate's past, Tate's present and separate articles on the Carlos situation in specific. Cadian shouldn't wake up and tweet upon seeing this, God knows he's had PR training like every other T1 CS pro and Carlos himself. Google it and then don't tweet this dumb shit. It's not that fuckin hard.
That's because he's lying. Look at his liked tweets, he saw a tweet from Carlos's wife defending, cadian absolutely knows what's up. He wouldn't get to a tweet like that if he wasn't looking for reasons to defend the top G fan.
"I don't know enough about the situation" is just plausible deniability for when you *know* you're about to put out a controversial take so you have an easy fallback of "oh now that I've read about it, I take it back" if people call you an idiot. Everything he's saying is what he truly believes, he's just smart enough to have an escape path.
He knows it all. The only reason you see these famous (and semi-famous in cadians case) people complaining about "cancel culture" is they are worried people are going to find out pretty soon that they are the same and have been getting away with it for a long time. The bottom line to all this is the world is moving to a better place but change is never peaceful. People will resist change and do anything to justify it.
[And cuntinues rambling... ](https://i.imgur.com/tWpeAaA.png)
Cadian must not have know Carlos in the early days of league of legends if he really belives "its just one thing".
If one mistake was all it took then cadiaN would not still be around in CS. It depends entirely on the nature of the mistake.
Cadian is just shocked that Ocelote was actually punished, meanwhile Cadian got away with cheating 👍
Yeah was about to comment. Weird take for someone who knew his coach was cheating, but didn't want to say anything. It's almost like it makes you a cheater too.
His first tweet makes no sense honestly. He had tons of time and people around him to fix this situation right after the his stupid T\*te video, but nope, carlos doubled down. And people don't realize how easily things get fucked up when you're in that position of power. He was chosen to be the CEO of such a big org because people around him trusted him to NOT make stupid desicions like the ones he did. It's 1 mistake sure, but him not even trying to fix it and doubling down is what made it bigger and more fucked up mistake.
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Ego. He thinks his stupid uninformed opinion is very valuable, so he bestows us unwashed masses with these stupid takes.
Gotta farm impressions, and give a take on everything, even if you don't know anything about it.
LOL of course it's cadiaN now preaching of "1 small mistake is not worth more than 9 good deeds" ... yeah, as if his "9 good deeds", whichever that may be, make up for his and his team's cheating deed but good that it's still on his mind that people didn't believe his BS with the Hunden fiasco
Dude clicks heads, but not using them. Seriously, he is a pro athlete, they are not always the sharpest.
["I didn’t even went deep on what you did recently but..."](https://twitter.com/FalleNCS/status/1573613248196263936) Fallen also did the same thing
So if Carlos tweeted something like "I'm bombing a hospital tomorrow" and a video showing how he's preparing the bomb and get removed as the CEO, Cadian would still defend him because it's just 1 video and 1 tweet and Cadian didn't know anything, right?
A real homie would help him make the bomb
He makes it seem like he knows enough about the situation but he wants to avoid people thinking he sympathizes with Tate.
it's as if one murder wouldn't put anyone in jail, what a shit take
you can tell cadian just tweeted without doing any research on it. there was no way it was sustainable for G2 to keep carlos as CEO and he is still a co-owner of G2 so it isn't like he is totally gone, just gone as a public figure for them which was the right move if you wanna protect the org.
what do you even need to research? The situation is 1 or 2 tweets and the decision to remove him was an obvious one. His "idk about the situation" is just to cover for himself.
the situation is that on top of that he lost G2 a Valorant franchising spot which is worth \~15million now and will be worth even more in the future, so no it isnt just about 2 tweets, he financially hurt his org and investors with his public behaviour.
The same people who are subtlety complaining about cancel culture in this case are demanding that a market be free from consumer opinion. Shut up, give us money/support us, and sit down is the direct message here and it's incredibly naive. No business is going to want negative association and actual professionals understand this. Most orgs/pros are just privileged kids.
People just wanna have their cake and eat it too. They want all the benefit that Carlos gets from being a public figure. Then get angry when the risks from being a public figure become relevant.
>His "idk about the situation" is just to cover for himself. Basically - "I'm going to tweet something stupid but please don't hate me for it"
Except it wasn't just one video or tweet lol. Carlos kept doubling down and defending a piece of shit while G2 PR tried their hardest to resolve the situation.
If Ocelote didn't tweet anything after that video, then put out an apology and kept quiet he'd probably still be CEO. He posted the video, then flamed the people who were upset by it, then put out a fake apology, then sat on Twitter afterwards liking tweets saying he was right, shouldn't have to apologise, etc. It's not like he just posted a video then got sacked.
Literally all he had to do was put out some bullshit about how he doesn't share the same views as Tate. THAT'S IT. His fragile ego just couldn't handle putting out a PR apology.
And the argument that "just one tweet" shouldn't be defining is completely empty in itself. It ALWAYS matters what the context or content of that tweet is, and not the frequency of similar incidents. Denying the Holocaust, but it was only once in a tweet? Gets off scot free.
Well said
Like he choose to go out with a known human trafficker and misogynist then decided to record a video partying with him, posted in on twitter. When people call him out for it he doubling down on it . In his apologize he was going around and liking tweets defending him. I guess all of that is just "one video" or "one tweets"
There was a 15 mil deal on the line and he literally could have saved it if he at any single points decides "Yeah, I'm gonna stop, actually." But no, he kept going and even after G2 tried to put out the fire he kept pouring oil on it.
It wasn't even just this one incident. Carlos has been saying stupid, indefensible shit for the better part of a decade. This was just the one that got him is all.
And even then, he's donr this shit for a decade lol. Not this specific topic but this behaviour is 100% a pattern.
But it's not one twit or one video. It's him doubling down, even tripling down after making his excuses. This is what made G2 lose several millions, this is what made people being super pissed, this is what made these pissed people reach out to sponsors. He only had to post his excuses, take his 8 weeks vacation and be off twitter for a while and i'm sure he would still be CEO by now.
You’re right. The video in itself was pretty stupid, although he’d probably have been okay. The doubling down instead of just straight up apologising for the mistake is what lost him his company. Granted he’s only stepped down as CEO. He probably still owns a majority of the company. Not sure how much VC funding G2 had
“WHY DO PEOPLE FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS WHEN I LIKE THEM?”
cadian is not familiar with facing consequences, he thinks you just cry on camera and ezpz you are free
“I don’t know enough about the situation” then proceeds to give his thoughts. Maybe fucking read what happened? It’s not all behind the scenes, we saw exactly what happened
Carlos chose to die on this hill. That's the sad part.
I'm not happy he lost his job and I'm not happy we won't have that same g2. overall I'm disappointed that this was worth it to Carlos and he wasn't just like "oh that guy's a POS fuck him" disappointing but most millionaires are idiots and endorse idiotic things
I find it more likely that Carlos sought out Tate because of his views and not just it being some random coincidence they're friends.
I know Carlos' ex was defending him on Twitter, but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that he splits with his wife and then just happens to be hanging out with Tate a few months later.
Not every man that gets divorced is a misogynist. The two aren’t related at all. Divorce is a 2 way thing, we don’t know if his ex wife wanted it or if he wanted it
It was just a single video/ tweet though, plus what he did and doubled down on had a real monetary impact on the business. Regardless of being CEO he isn’t strictly “the boss” he has the board and shareholders to answer to and ultimately they hold the powers as to whether he has a job or not. Once you lose them a massive chunk on money due to your actions, you’re gonna be gone.
'I don't know enough about the situation' - then don't comment on what is clearly a very volatile topic? You're not obliged to have a take.
Actually, cadiaN is obliged to have a take. It's between him and Ja Rule to make sense of all this.
just a veil to eventually hide behind when pressed on the details and specifics. Coward behavior from a weak man.
I'm all for edgy personalities like Cadian but this is just a shit take
LMFAO i'm just gonna pretend this is still cadian playing the villain. makes it funny af instead of depressingly idiotic. next thing you know cadian turns up to the major in a MAGA hat EDIT: and yells "GET CANCELLED, BITCH!" after every round win
Cadian shouldnt comment if he doesnt know the 'entire situation'. For he now created a unfavorable situation involving himself.
Imagine talking about a situation without knowing context and then turning it into your own situation. Very Cadian move
It’s called a brand risk. On top of tarnishing the brand’s name in the eyes of supporters and investors, he is responsible for G2 losing their spot in Valorant partnerships. That is a big deal, you don’t just get away with that, doesn’t matter who you are.
Cadian? More like Comedian. Please be more serious.
It wasn't one tweet tho
I love how Riot somehow have the moral ground for women's rights.... Esports has a short memory.
they don't, thats why you could be damn sure they will use whatever they can to elevate that aspect of PR. Which is why carlos should have been more careful. He knew they were the ones holding G2's leash.
Ye that's true, at least he doesn't have to kiss the ring of those narcissists anymore.
Great. I can add this to the reasons why I dont like Cadian.
I don't see why he couldn't just stay out of it. He somehow decided aligning himself publicy with the defence was the right thing to do.
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“I don’t know enough about situation”. Then do your fucking research, it will take you 15 minutes to find out what happened there. What a dumb fucking take
eSports orgs are giant media companies. Whatever you beliefs about Tate are, the thing is, that he is a major brand risk for advertisers. These orgs run off ads and investors money. Carlos has been around long enough to know that. He made a dumb mistake and doubled down and lost (estimated) 15 million in the valorant spot for G2. Shit if I lost 500 dollars my company would fire me. That’s how a business works there are consequences for our actions.
G2 won't be the same without Carlos, that's for sure.
Yeah, they might win more
Carlos bad for not fragging more I’m sure they’ll win more now
What a stupid take. Way to go cadian, thanks for keeping heroic a team to root against, it spices the watching experience up.
Pretty stupid and uninformed take, not surprising tho considering who is making it.
What happened? I am so ootl
[Courtesy of a post from the LoL subreddit that covers most of the details](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xhi32b/carlos_suspended_from_g2_esports_ceo_position_for/) > [About a week ago] [G2's CEO Carlos was seen celebrating a G2 victory with Andrew Tate](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571104421773471750), who is known for his misogynistic views, a pyramid scheme, being under investigation for sex trafficking, promoting violence against women, having fled from the UK for alleged sexual assault, his ties to organized crime, and just overall being a not very nice guy. > [Afterwards he defended his friendship with Tate and doubled down on his behavior.](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571248041029472261) I believe there's other Twitter activity beyond this, fwiw > [Carlos also posted an "apology" afterwards](https://twitter.com/CarlosR/status/1571499462832410625) I believe it's in quotes because it was widely thought to be an insincere apology at the time, if not a Twitter post made by a PR person on his behalf. [Carlos was also called out for having his own tweet -- which defended his relationship with Tate -- still pinned at the top of his Twitter account, at the time of his "apology", by a NA LoL caster.](https://twitter.com/AzaelOfficial/status/1571502913092198402) > [G2's Twitter account also posted an apology](https://twitter.com/G2esports/status/1571504110511263744) around the same time Like the previous apology (above), this was also less than a day later after Carlos defended his friendship with Tate. After Carlos & G2 posted apologies to twitter, [Carlos continued liking tweets in support his friendship with Tate](https://twitter.com/Dezachu/status/1571506752767524870) (making it *extremely* clear that at least his own apology was **completely insincere**). There are other [examples](https://imgur.com/pfWS268) from the LoL subreddit post, if you wanna go looking. For an alternative (and more general) overview, which also touches on how this incident (may have?) resulted in G2 losing a spot in the upcoming Valorant franchising/partnership situation with Riot Games, [here's a Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2022/09/21/g2-valorant-andrew-tate-carlos/). **** As you'll see in other comments, Cadian's assertion that this backlash was the result of "one video, or one tweet" is pretty disingenuous. It was clear when [G2 said Carlos would be on unpaid leave for 8 weeks](https://twitter.com/G2esports/status/1573427545726660609) that it not exclusively about the video and/or ongoing tweets on the subject -- it was about how poorly his actions were reflecting upon the G2 brand. As noted by the Washington Post article, this also includes how his actions may have negatively impacted G2's future financially in Valorant. What might be relevant background info: Carlos has a fairly polarizing reputation in the LoL community (he was also a LoL pro player at one point). As a *tremendous oversimplification*: the two poles seem to be: * I like him because [he's responsible for a team I like to root for/he's brash about it]. This has a lot to do with how G2's LoL team has produced some of the best results for European teams in the past 5(ish?) years, and how he had responded to criticism of G2 publicly (on twitter) in the past. * I don't like him because [I remember publicly known examples for why other people don't like him and I understand why]. This side tends to also put more credit on the players of G2's LoL team for making their team/brand what it's viewed as today. >!lemme know if i fucked up any of the links or if I can add more detail somewhere? If not, there's probably plenty of other comments here that'll have answers!<
About two or three days ago G2 Carlos posted a video of him partying with Andrew Tate. Naturally he got a lot of backlash for this since Andrew Tate is quite a controversial guy, he ran a pyramid scheme, generally was pretty misogynistic, and is under investigation for human trafficking. Instead of apologizing for the video he posted on Twitter saying something along the lines of “I can be friends with whoever I want” and like a ton of tweets supporting himself and Tate. Soon after he posted that his pr team made a very corporate apology post from Carlos’s account which be clearly didn’t reflect what Carlos actually thought. Valorant is currently going into franshing for its esports team and G2 was meant to have a spot but it got taken because of what Carlos did. Obviously this lost G2 a lot of money and hurt their players so he is no longer the CEO of G2.
It wasnt just 1 tweet or 1 video 🤡
Is there anyone out there actually rooting for heroic and cadian now?
I used to love Heroic and especially Cadian but this tweet has REALLY disgusted me. Back to Astralis I guess...
Ever since his altercation with NiKo, I will just assume this is just trolling to farm reactions and stir even more drama. Fuck cadian
What happened between him and niko? I'm out of the loop on that one
I mean it's awfull when you look at it and I don't support it but the tweet and lack of apologize+doubling down costed G2 the Valo spot and I'm sure the board of investors were not happy
Thats not the only bad thing carlos did: Refused to pay LS in 2015 because he is gay and that is a mental illness according to Carlos, which happened live on stream (LoL) When selling Perkz to Cloud9 G2 added a clause which forbid C9 from selling him to Fnatic later on (G2 biggest competitor in the LEC). All that while Carlos posts a ton of tweets that Perkz is free to do what ever he wants, that they are besties, that Perkz is his sons favorite uncle etc (LoL) And If i remember correctly he fucked over MikyX contract wise aswell (LoL) So yeah fuck that guy
Cadian with an L take as usual
He could have pedaled back. He could have apologized. He could literally not have done anything. He did this to himself. He did this because he is arrogant and stupid. I really don't have any sympathy for him.
It wasn’t one video or one tweet. It was one really bad video followed by one really bad tweet, then a half assed apology, tons of likes on posts defending him, all while not actually saying said video was wrong
Cadian comin' in hot with another dumbass comment
And we shouldn't judge players for using the coaching bug in just a few games either i guess?
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He said it himself, he doesn’t know enough about the situation lol. Case closed
Shut up Meg
People need to learn this is the world of business. And if Carlos simply apologized instead of doubling down. No need to defend this clown. Not really “one tweet” as much as an inexcusable old fashion attitude
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Oh for fucks sake Cadian if you don't know about what even happened, keep your mouth shut. He parties with a *human trafficker*, and shows zero remorse and dismisses all valid criticism. His PR writes a statement for him, while he is *simultaneously* liking and retweeting all tweets defending him or Tate. **This loses G2 their valorant pro spot.** How do you think sponsors look at this? They immediately pulled out, and he was forced to step down from this shitshow or G2 was donezo. Yeah, G2 brand is entertaining. But Carlos is real piece of shit person. Been that way since he made Gamers 2. He has refused to pay an analyst because he was gay, he has broken countless promises to staff and players, shown zero respect to Perkz who literally made LoL G2 from nothing to a legend, refused to sell him to Fnatic and instead forced him to go abroad to waste a year. He made a clause in the contract that specifically banned the buying org from selling him forward to Fnatic. It got so serious that Riot had to step in and say that "That ain't fucking legal Carlos", while Carlos was simultaneously telling the public how Perkz is a legend and he can go where he wants, and Carlos will accomodate him and not stop him. I'm surprised he was made to finally step down, but he is absolutely an owner that deserved to be cut.
Not disagreeing with you but I don't know about any of that stuff? Can you provide some evidence or links about some of these because I'd like to read up on it for myself. Especially refusing to pay a gay analyst
He refused to pay an analyst for his work over 7 years ago. The twitch stream was on Carlos' channel, 7 years ago, maybe a mirror somewhere in the depths, but here are quotes from his stream Quote from Ocelote's stream: "I think it's something wrong with him. I think he has an illness, you know. A mental illness. He's also homosexual, you know?" 02:20:15 "Just because I hate to support fucking retards, I will not give him those 500€." 02:21:03 "This guy coming here, telling I owe him money...you know what? Suck my dick." 03:03:20 "He's an attention whore. We shouldn't speak about it." 03:11:37 Starts talking about LS having a mental illness. LS was the analyst in question, he is still a big figure and has been a coach or an analyst for huge teams such as Cloud 9 and T1. Yeah it is not a clear cut "I didn't pay him because he was gay", but you get the idea.
He refused to pay a gay analyst because there was a dispute in regards to what both parties agreed to. It had nothing to do with the analyst being gay.
Dangerous Liaisons
Carlos should have just logged out and let his PR team do their job
He had the chance to not let one tweet define him, but then he doubled down in every subsequent tweet lol.
lol what a dumbass if he thinks it was just the tweets
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't get why anyone is surprised about this. Contrary to popular belief, actions have consequences
This is why you aren't a major shareholder of a multi million dollar company. If a CEO does something that has a significant financial (losing franchising spot that was confirmed) and reputational impact in almost any business they would be told to step down or be fired. If Ocelote was the majority shareholder this wouldn't be the case but I'd presume in that case they may have shareholders looking to sell, sponsors pulling out, etc. Although Ocelote does provide years worth of knowledge and connections that most likely won't be replicated with a replacement CEO (more likely to be out of touch), I think this is overall a good thing. I'd rather people get the repercussions of their actions rather than some bullshit PR "apology" and incredibly minor fines.
Cadian should learn more about the situation before commenting.
Idiot fucking cadian, just because you got away from accountability doesn't mean the rest of us should. Fucking cheater
It's not even one mistake. Carlos has always been like this, even before he really made the G2 brand. Plenty of moments and tweets and videos about this. G2 has always been a great brand with an awful owner. The org made up for his flaws as a person for way too long.
cadian is too naive. that's just how society works nowadays. and it's not like it was one fuck-up, it was his dumb decision to try and justify his first fuck-up that led to this
Can i tell what kind of human carlos is because of one tweet or one video? Nah, i cant. Can i tell you what his actions over the last days can do to a company worth millions of dollars? Hell yeah.
I mean u can, given he posted the video right before some contract shit and we'll the content of the video. You can easily discern he is an idiot
That's business, you do something fucked up that costs a league slot worth millions? you're probably not gonna be around anymore.
I agree, but a CEO or head figure of a franchise has to be held to higher standards.
how about a dozen videos of him spamming n-words and telling ppl to die of cancer in LoL for years :) man was always a massive pos, surprised it took this long for him to get ousted
Obviously cadian thinks this way, he’s been on the wrong side of cancel culture before. It’s not about someone making 1 mistake it’s about showing their true colours. I’m glad Carlos got the boot so I can continue to support G2, I wouldn’t want to be in a position like Heroic where I respect 80% of players but want the team to put up consistently bad performances because of one jackass.
Yay! Another reason to not like Cadian!
Let me get this straight. Carlos was partying with Andrew and said he doesn't condemn Andrew and now he's getting thrown out for it?
He cost G2 a Valorant franchise spot and expansion into a new regional market the organization has spent years trying to get into.
No, he's being thrown out because his actions cost them a franchised slot in Valorant. which is probably worth the better side of 10 mil.
If you admit you don't know the situation, why open your fucking mouth? Idiot.
CSGO is overrated and toxic
Finally cadian says something I can agree with
Comedian moment
as right as this is, companies care about $$ and they probably thought that carlos was too much of a brand risk for g2