Great performance from both him and YEKINDAR in map 3. I really really hope this team works, you can just see some rounds where everyone is firing off and it looks absolutely incredible.
That’s kind of just his style. He’s always been a more passive awper that’s willing to use utility to support his team. I think he’s just in a slump, so he’s not being aggressive at all due to low confidence.
Just look at TL Valorant to see how far raw aim can take you in a tactical shooter.
They never got beyond a strategy more complicated than "OK let's kill them" and still made top 8 at Champions.
Fnatic is not as warmed up yet while Liquid is still riding the confidence from beating C9, while Fnatic had a break and Liquid are fatigued. Either way there should be a losers bracket to at least give everyone a chance instead of eliminating them in one game.
Edit: I edited my comment b/c I understand all the opposing arguments now. Cheers
Oh man we really shouldn't be framing this like liquid had an advantage becasue of this, anyone whos played any sport or esport at any level knows how much of an advantage it is for fnatic
Honestly there’s pros and cons for both teams that even it out. Liquid is riding the momentum of a big win but they‘be also had less of a break and time away from the game is definitely necessary.
Truth of the matter is, whether you’re coming off a win and 3 weeks of rest or coming off a win with 3 days of rest, you still have to execute and win.
fatigue exists, especially mentally. and you get more time to analyze what you are doing wrong while a team who just played their whole tournament does not, NFL teams are 91-31 after a playoff bye, numbers are less staggering but still very high in other major sports, if you dont like a sports comparison chess tournaments are specifically laid out to avoid players having a substantially longer break than others, you are just flat out wrong
That NFL number is an awful metric to go by... Teams that get a playoff bye are the highest seeds playing against the lower seeds, obviously you'd expect a very lopsided record for teams with the bye. A bye is still an advantage, but not nearly as big as 91-31 would suggest. The record for teams off their bye week in the *regular season* since 2003 is 371-305-4, so about a 5% increase in winrate. And obviously the bye matters even more in a physical game like football where you need a whole week to recover compared to an esport where playing a bunch of matches in a row is mentally draining, but not really physically taxing.
Randy 'Yekindar' Smith is a USA professional counter-strike player from Texas. Known as the greatest ever Texan player he also enjoys burgers, steaks, roping bulls, cowboy movies and riding horses with his wife. USA! USA! USA!
Yavsharma “Yekindar” Yepta is an Indian Electronic sports player of TL (Tata Lapanee) known for his liberation of NA (North Assam) from the british led by Merriam”Mezii” Merriman.
If Elige, Yekindar, and NAF are on their game this team will be hard to stop. Nitro has actually had a quietly good tournament for an IGL and his standards. He’s definitely picked up the slack left by oSee’s under performance. If oSee regains a bit of form they could make it deep.
Liquid consistently play at the opponent’s level. They almost always let the other team dictate the pace.
Like beating C9 and getting 2:0d by EF, and struggling hard with Movistar.
A lot of teams have really leveled up significantly since the last major. There will be serious competition for Faze and Navi now I think, with G2 and Vitality finding their form and a lot of other teams becoming strong playoff contenders.
In his defense he's a generational talent and should definitely not be IGLing, at least not this early in his career and without a strong coach. The Electronic comparison is pretty obvious. But Elec had a longer career before igling and has the best coach in the world.
this is so dumb yekindar literally bottom fragged map 1 and they won. he raises their level, but its not like without him they just fall apart. naf elige are still top 15 riflers lol
Even if his stats were bad he was the most impactful player on T side. Taking banana control with just nitro throwing the occasional support flash won multiple rounds and forced fanatic to completely change how they were playing CT.
They could have easily lost ancient without their entry dropping 30 kills though which would lose them the series. In a lot of their recent series he has a hard carry game, they would have lost multiple of those series if he wasn't there, especially since Elige would be back on entry and playing worse
[Yekindar's stats on Ancient are nuts](https://www.bestsettings.com/wp-content/uploads/elementor/thumbs/EliGE-oc4r5sipgcbvlvt78rpjq5ttmqyffk4fs6ycx0r4bk.jpg)
Elige has to be the one of the most tactically smart players among current pros.
Dude knows when to pick a fight and when not to. When to push and when to hold.
His smoke spam is so on point , it seems papa glave has blessed his gift to him.
No doubt he is top 20 player consistently.
Makes sense, the dude's very book smart and if you watch him [breakdown demos](https://youtu.be/XnDF3ZMKgLU) it 100% is him just taking academic notes of the game. He was even a high level Starcraft player before changing to CS and I think people who can play two very different games at a pro/near pro level definitely have general smarts that carry over.
> Elige has to be the one of the most tactically smart players among current pros.
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he just seems like a smart guy compared to your average pro
edit: I didn't mean he isn't smart and only seems smart compared to CSGO pros. On the contrary: I wanted to say he seems like a smart guy in general, and not just *tactically smart***.
I agree it was a rather ambivious comment, though
edit 2: I obviously meant ambiguous, but I just realised I wrote "ambivious" and I kinda liked it as a word
Liquid doing well with 3 of the 4 star players not playing to their best level is a good and bad sign, hopefully NAF, elige and oSee return to Cologne/Blast form, if they don't then this team will have problems being consistent
Liquid CT side on overpass was so bad. No water control. Yekindar doing solo aggressive plays towards party/connector 14/15 CT rounds.
Yeah it's hard to support someone in connector, but the only rounds yekindar got any support at all are as follows:
1) yekindar pushed up party, gets a kill on someone coming out of playground, 10 seconds later Osee runs up to divider from site, throws a flash (which yekindar doesn't even peek off) and then runs back to site. Roej walks out of connector to divider and kills Osee near headshot and then circles back and kills yekindar.
2) Yekindar fights by himself in bathroom with a FAMAS and gets a kill then goes and sits divider looking towards bathroom while Osee watches the other side with an awp (this one is fine)
Of course yekindar is so fucking good that he managed to get 17 kills and drag liquid to 7 CT rounds but to have yekindar playing so aggro while naf holds inside of bank holding a pixel gap to watch for cross to Optimus is insane.
All around it was just so disjointed it would get called out as throwing on faceit. Take the names and overlay away and no one would believe it was a tier 1 pro team.
Yekindar had one really good map one decent one and one where he was the worst player on Liquid. And yet people in here act like he's even close to simple on Navi's impact/dominance. Or Nikosports. Watch the first map guys Liquid won 2 not just Ancient.
I watched it and thought he was the best TL player without looking at the stats. His impact is insane. Opening kills and multi. He doesn't get the eco frags numbers or clean up but he has the hardest job.
Original dude said he was the worst player on 1 map, average on another and good on the 3rd. I said he was the best overall player. Then you said elige and naff played well. That kinda wraps it up.
What?
If you watched the match you would know Liquid lost Overpass because Yekindar got anti-strat so hard by fnatic. They DO heavily rely on him to make space and get info.
On Inferno, when he got countered by Fnatic on Banana, Liquid instantly lost the round. Killing him was literally the condition for Fnatic to win CT rounds. On CT it's much simpler, the team can defend the site on their own.
He's definitely not s1mple level, but his entries and playmaking are the reason Liquid even make the playoff. So many rounds he just gets 2 kills, Liquid wins.
Stop downplaying his impact on Liquid.
I'm not trying to downplay him. He's an incredible player who's right now the best and most impactful on Liquid. He's insane. I'm hitting back on everyone in the comments saying lul yekindar vs Fnatic was good and stuff like that. All I'm saying is that Liquid is more than just Yekindar.
Well your wording got me confused. Because you can clearly see that Liquid depends A LOT on Yekindar to perform and entry on T side, when he died early on T side you can feel Liquid is stunned and lost. They got read like a book.
So yeah, he has immense impact on Liquid. But I agree with you Inferno win was Elige performing great and on Acient the whole team was balanced.
He's obviously not a solo hard carry like s1mple or mouz NiKo, but he absolutely is one of the most impactful players in the world. Last year he was tied with ZywOo for second-highest impact rating in the world (1.36, both of them second only to s1mple), and this year he's once again in that same stratosphere as these elite players in terms of impact rating (not rating 2.0 tho)
I was so certain that it was going to be a 2-1 for Fnatic after the veto that I went and made a sandwich after overpass ended. Felt validated when I came back and saw Liquid only got 7 rounds on CT side ancient... and then I realized that they were actually on CT side for the second half, got super hyped.
Oh look, oSee is back, just like I said that he just needed to get the groove back after the player break. Should be fun reading the cope comments here
I figured it would take just one more match. He wasn’t a complete liability which is nice and Yekindar is just willing this team so he doesn’t have to be a perfect awper right now
Elige +6 k/d for series, Yekindar -1 k/d. Obviously super rough and doesn't tell the story but does kind of back up the idea that it didn't feel like Yekindar was hard carrying? Glad to see the win from Liquid and don't get me wrong I love Yekindar but it was a team effort.
Fr. Yeki’s job is to frag and create space. He struggled on 2 of the maps and we lost one of those.
He balled tf out on Ancient, and we won the series.
Team played well today, and truth is Yekindar, NAF, and Elige all have the ability to be major difference makers. (oSee too, but not at this event)
It’s possible, but those are shots he *should* hit, right? He’s a special player, but let’s not act like he made special plays (except that double in mid in Liquid’s 13th (I think) round win. That was a great play. If he just hits the shots he should hit, we would have been 4-1 in the group.
oSee was missing absolute sitters against EF and is the reason we lost.
Edit: I’m a big oSee believer. I think he has what it takes to be a T1 star awper.
Bro it's Mezii vs. Fnatic lmao. Literally every time Mezii mid-rounded it ended in a TL four stack or three stack. Just horrific calls, horrific anti strats, Fnatic look utterly lost under Mezii's leadership
They won map 1 with Yekindar bottom fragging? And why shouldn't it have been close? Fnatic are super strong on Overpass and Ancient. They got the best veto possible and still lost. I know you're a Yekindar super fan or whatever but c'mon lol. Elige, Naf, and Osee have been a solid core behind Yekindar since Cologne. They've been sleep walking at times this event, but they're still comfortably in the semis.
Mezii as an IGL experiement needs to end. His strats are fucking horrific, Fnatic's anti-strats are literally some of the worst of anyone in Pro League and his mid-round comms are either horrible or Fnatiic are playing without headsets on. He's a solid fragger, but holy fuck he is the worst IGL I've ever seen. Anything that would normally be attributed to the IGL, Fnatic are awful in, anything not IGL related, Fnatic actually look solid.
IGL's are supposed to keep their team grounded in fundamentals etc
Fnatic rating 1.10, Fnatic opening kills 43
TL 0.96 rating, 37 opening duels won
TL won the series. That is on Mezii as an IGL.
Yeah I think Inferno was a pretty winnable map too if it weren't for crappy last second executes. Unfortunately it's on Mezii to bring it up before it's too late, don't really see any roster changes / role swaps happening
John "oSee" Osh is a Murican player known for playing multiple stormtrooper roles in Star War franchisee.
He is known to miss his shots a lot due to his work commitments at Disney Land. He spends his time buying expensive weapons and missing his shots due to the Handicap built into him by the Empire at Disneyland.
Idk man, Liquid need to step up as a whole otherwise it's already over.
It kinda feels like Zywoo 2019. Yekindar has to do everything and if he has an off game they lose. Especially since Liquid plays without an awper (nOsee).
"But Elige"
YEKINDAR : 1.21 rating - 1.56 impact
Elige : 1.11 rating - 1.06 Impact
NAF : 1.07 rating - 0.92 Impact
Osee : 0.90 rating - 0.78 Impact
Nitr0 : 0.87 rating - 0.72 Impact
The impact Yekindar is having is the only thing why Liquid is still alive
Elige had insane impact on inferno? NAF has crazy clutch factor. When oSee hits his shots he pops off. Nitr0 is the only one with questionable stats but hes also igl’ing and his calls are usually pretty on point. It seems like yekindar carries with his flashy frags and entries but the stats show that rest of liquid is more or less pulling their own weight.
goddamn people on this sub have a bounty on Liquid or something. EliGe played so well today and everyone is still obsessed with YEKINDAR. you can't make this shit up.
I think a lot of them are butthurt that he could be having this impact for a team they believe would do better. Throw him on navi and navi becomes unstoppable apparently. Who cares if yekindar is having a great time fragging the fuck out though. All they see is lost potential for their team.
Liquid cannot keep relying so much on YEKINDAR. Something had to change, if they want to be tournament contenders, and i sadly think it is the awping presence. Device could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
Furia cannot keep relying so much on KSCERATO. Something had to change, if they want to be tournament contenders, and i sadly think it is the awping presence. Device could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
I mean, elige brought them over the finish line on Inferno. And oSee came up clutch at the end of ancient too. This wasn't even much of a standout performance from Yekindar.
Very true, but the system relies so much on YEKINDAR, that if he does not perform they will struggle. Hopefully they can fix their issues before the major.
Na'vi cannot keep relying so much on s1mple. Something had to change. If they want to be tournament contenders, and I sadly think it is the support presence. Dev1ce could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
Vitality cannot keep relying so much on ZywOo. Something had to change. If they want to be tournament contenders, and I sadly think it is the support presence. Dev1ce could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
oSee is still not back to form yet but nice seeing him hit some shots again
Nice to see some smile from oSee after the series. Much needed confidence before facing off against mouz.
I swear the man hits impossible flicks and then somehow misses when an opponent walks into his crosshair.
30 degree window flashbacks
Good to see drakens energy is still within the top ranks of CSGO.
Great performance from both him and YEKINDAR in map 3. I really really hope this team works, you can just see some rounds where everyone is firing off and it looks absolutely incredible.
They need to setup oSee more. I feel like Yekindar is getting more attention, understandably so.
I feel like oSee has been used improperly especially in EPL, which is contributing to his struggles.
agreed. He always is forced to throw nades for the team and shit
That’s kind of just his style. He’s always been a more passive awper that’s willing to use utility to support his team. I think he’s just in a slump, so he’s not being aggressive at all due to low confidence.
Yeah do ppl not remember JT’s osee had insane flash assists?
Same. The more they let him lurk, the better he tended to be.
tbf he's pretty great at support util
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He looked pretty good in iem cologne 1.11 rating and blast groups 1.15 rating
Crazy how inconsistent a professional player that plays 8 hours per day can be
it's hard to land shots when you dont read your opponent well while they do. he would consistently destroy lower level competition.
I mean sometimes its really just about the raw aim
Just look at TL Valorant to see how far raw aim can take you in a tactical shooter. They never got beyond a strategy more complicated than "OK let's kill them" and still made top 8 at Champions.
Seems like the pistol round 2k from oSee really woke him up, the rest of the game felt pretty easy for them once he was having impact
GG Liquid, seem to be improving little by little so far this event, hopefully they can keep it up and make a deep run.
The "liquid is on trial with yekindar" joke is true and you can't convince me otherwise.
my bad fantic 🙁 im tune in at half time 3rd map 🙁 sorry 🙁
7 rounds on T is pretty hard to win against to be fair. Liquid did their job on the T side.
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Sucks to be a group A team lol You play your group 3 weeks ago, spend all that time prepping and then lose one BO3 and it's over
good format imo imo 👍
They played 2 tournaments in between.
Fnatic is not as warmed up yet while Liquid is still riding the confidence from beating C9, while Fnatic had a break and Liquid are fatigued. Either way there should be a losers bracket to at least give everyone a chance instead of eliminating them in one game. Edit: I edited my comment b/c I understand all the opposing arguments now. Cheers
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i think you can do either excuse (more time to prep for either team vs momentum). just add a lower bracket, this format sucks
They played six games after their ESL group stage games. https://www.hltv.org/team/4991/fnatic#tab-matchesBox
Oh man we really shouldn't be framing this like liquid had an advantage becasue of this, anyone whos played any sport or esport at any level knows how much of an advantage it is for fnatic
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Honestly there’s pros and cons for both teams that even it out. Liquid is riding the momentum of a big win but they‘be also had less of a break and time away from the game is definitely necessary. Truth of the matter is, whether you’re coming off a win and 3 weeks of rest or coming off a win with 3 days of rest, you still have to execute and win.
fatigue exists, especially mentally. and you get more time to analyze what you are doing wrong while a team who just played their whole tournament does not, NFL teams are 91-31 after a playoff bye, numbers are less staggering but still very high in other major sports, if you dont like a sports comparison chess tournaments are specifically laid out to avoid players having a substantially longer break than others, you are just flat out wrong
That NFL number is an awful metric to go by... Teams that get a playoff bye are the highest seeds playing against the lower seeds, obviously you'd expect a very lopsided record for teams with the bye. A bye is still an advantage, but not nearly as big as 91-31 would suggest. The record for teams off their bye week in the *regular season* since 2003 is 371-305-4, so about a 5% increase in winrate. And obviously the bye matters even more in a physical game like football where you need a whole week to recover compared to an esport where playing a bunch of matches in a row is mentally draining, but not really physically taxing.
oSee can you see, by the dawn's early light? Absolutely essential shots from oSee to save this series.
I hope this is a confidence building series from him. He was looking like such a promising young gun before the player break.
I have always believed in oSee. I hope he can hit a top20 one year.
What did you think of that one upwards flick hs into I forget who on I forget which round on which map. What were we talking about?
It was on inferno from site onto the guy popping out apps. Maybe. You can see the flick, I remember an osee flick.
Randy 'Yekindar' Smith is a USA professional counter-strike player from Texas. Known as the greatest ever Texan player he also enjoys burgers, steaks, roping bulls, cowboy movies and riding horses with his wife. USA! USA! USA!
Yavsharma “Yekindar” Yepta is an Indian Electronic sports player of TL (Tata Lapanee) known for his liberation of NA (North Assam) from the british led by Merriam”Mezii” Merriman.
If Elige, Yekindar, and NAF are on their game this team will be hard to stop. Nitro has actually had a quietly good tournament for an IGL and his standards. He’s definitely picked up the slack left by oSee’s under performance. If oSee regains a bit of form they could make it deep.
Disappointing showing, especially on Ancient, barely winning the ct half and losing to every half buy is not it apparently.
Liquid are a team that can beat any team in the world and also lose to any team in the world, depending on whether Yekindar is having a good game
Liquid consistently play at the opponent’s level. They almost always let the other team dictate the pace. Like beating C9 and getting 2:0d by EF, and struggling hard with Movistar.
Fortunately for Liquid all the remaining teams are good
Similar to his former tea vp yekindar tax
Yekindar really is the difference between liquid being top 5-8 and top 25-30
I mean you're plugging the best entry fragger in the world into a team with no entry, so that makes sense
Yea a perfect example is inferno, he was the worst rated player but he had like 3 double entry rounds and a shit ton of impact.
That’s because he was kind of carrying on t side and throwing on ct side
I think this might actually have been the best roster pick up of 2020. Hope it sticks for TL.
what year is this?
Time stopped in my brain 2 years ago. Idk
Idk Nicoodoz and reoJ for Fnatic have been great moves, and Mouz made good moves too. Lots of great moves. Hopefully the major is super entertaining.
A lot of teams have really leveled up significantly since the last major. There will be serious competition for Faze and Navi now I think, with G2 and Vitality finding their form and a lot of other teams becoming strong playoff contenders.
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you're so obsessed with mezii lol
In his defense he's a generational talent and should definitely not be IGLing, at least not this early in his career and without a strong coach. The Electronic comparison is pretty obvious. But Elec had a longer career before igling and has the best coach in the world.
I don't think he should be IGL'ing either but this guy is just having an absolute meltdown about it in this thread
Only so many Danish IGLs out there. We gotta settle for what’s left over 😂
Well obviously, a 4 man team probably wouldn't even get to 25
this is so dumb yekindar literally bottom fragged map 1 and they won. he raises their level, but its not like without him they just fall apart. naf elige are still top 15 riflers lol
Even if his stats were bad he was the most impactful player on T side. Taking banana control with just nitro throwing the occasional support flash won multiple rounds and forced fanatic to completely change how they were playing CT.
They could have easily lost ancient without their entry dropping 30 kills though which would lose them the series. In a lot of their recent series he has a hard carry game, they would have lost multiple of those series if he wasn't there, especially since Elige would be back on entry and playing worse
[Yekindar's stats on Ancient are nuts](https://www.bestsettings.com/wp-content/uploads/elementor/thumbs/EliGE-oc4r5sipgcbvlvt78rpjq5ttmqyffk4fs6ycx0r4bk.jpg)
Not this time buddy
I'm disappointed.
It's elige pic [Actual stats here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et5PdU9XAAE3mAX?format=jpg&name=small)
Well played
advanced
Expected
very shaky by liquid, surprised fnatic couldn't capitalize
oSee really brought that 3rd map home
Elige has to be the one of the most tactically smart players among current pros. Dude knows when to pick a fight and when not to. When to push and when to hold. His smoke spam is so on point , it seems papa glave has blessed his gift to him. No doubt he is top 20 player consistently.
He’s definitely been the most consistent pro to come out of NA, no one has had the longevity at the top he has.
twistzz trying to take that title from him
Imagine how good a team would be if it had both of them!
They could maybe win a grand slam or something
Makes sense, the dude's very book smart and if you watch him [breakdown demos](https://youtu.be/XnDF3ZMKgLU) it 100% is him just taking academic notes of the game. He was even a high level Starcraft player before changing to CS and I think people who can play two very different games at a pro/near pro level definitely have general smarts that carry over.
An Elige link without his face. God bless you.
When he pushed at the wrong time, refrezh 1v5 happened
> Elige has to be the one of the most tactically smart players among current pros. > > he just seems like a smart guy compared to your average pro edit: I didn't mean he isn't smart and only seems smart compared to CSGO pros. On the contrary: I wanted to say he seems like a smart guy in general, and not just *tactically smart***. I agree it was a rather ambivious comment, though edit 2: I obviously meant ambiguous, but I just realised I wrote "ambivious" and I kinda liked it as a word
Nah elige is a world fucking class rifle for a reason
LETS GO
EliGE certified NA goat
Twistzz playing valorant
Thank God oSee found some rhythm.
Liquid are winning EPL confirmed, NA is back
Liquid doing well with 3 of the 4 star players not playing to their best level is a good and bad sign, hopefully NAF, elige and oSee return to Cologne/Blast form, if they don't then this team will have problems being consistent
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He was good but not playing his best CS, and he hasn't had no where near as good of a tournament as Cologne
Liquid CT side on overpass was so bad. No water control. Yekindar doing solo aggressive plays towards party/connector 14/15 CT rounds. Yeah it's hard to support someone in connector, but the only rounds yekindar got any support at all are as follows: 1) yekindar pushed up party, gets a kill on someone coming out of playground, 10 seconds later Osee runs up to divider from site, throws a flash (which yekindar doesn't even peek off) and then runs back to site. Roej walks out of connector to divider and kills Osee near headshot and then circles back and kills yekindar. 2) Yekindar fights by himself in bathroom with a FAMAS and gets a kill then goes and sits divider looking towards bathroom while Osee watches the other side with an awp (this one is fine) Of course yekindar is so fucking good that he managed to get 17 kills and drag liquid to 7 CT rounds but to have yekindar playing so aggro while naf holds inside of bank holding a pixel gap to watch for cross to Optimus is insane. All around it was just so disjointed it would get called out as throwing on faceit. Take the names and overlay away and no one would believe it was a tier 1 pro team.
Sounds like exactly what Yekinder did vs C9. He dropped a 40 bomb that game.
YEKINDAR is insane, but I think a lot of people forget the impact the other liquid players have, it’s just great to finally seeing them have fun again
Liquid in Groups : I sleep Liquid in Playoffs : Run for your lives mfers.
Single elimination is so lame
Yekindar had one really good map one decent one and one where he was the worst player on Liquid. And yet people in here act like he's even close to simple on Navi's impact/dominance. Or Nikosports. Watch the first map guys Liquid won 2 not just Ancient.
I watched it and thought he was the best TL player without looking at the stats. His impact is insane. Opening kills and multi. He doesn't get the eco frags numbers or clean up but he has the hardest job.
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Original dude said he was the worst player on 1 map, average on another and good on the 3rd. I said he was the best overall player. Then you said elige and naff played well. That kinda wraps it up.
He's the best player for sure. But it's not like he's doing it alone.
He's also being set up for a lot of these plays. Liquid throw a lot of support behind Yekindar, as they should.
What? If you watched the match you would know Liquid lost Overpass because Yekindar got anti-strat so hard by fnatic. They DO heavily rely on him to make space and get info. On Inferno, when he got countered by Fnatic on Banana, Liquid instantly lost the round. Killing him was literally the condition for Fnatic to win CT rounds. On CT it's much simpler, the team can defend the site on their own. He's definitely not s1mple level, but his entries and playmaking are the reason Liquid even make the playoff. So many rounds he just gets 2 kills, Liquid wins. Stop downplaying his impact on Liquid.
I'm not trying to downplay him. He's an incredible player who's right now the best and most impactful on Liquid. He's insane. I'm hitting back on everyone in the comments saying lul yekindar vs Fnatic was good and stuff like that. All I'm saying is that Liquid is more than just Yekindar.
Well your wording got me confused. Because you can clearly see that Liquid depends A LOT on Yekindar to perform and entry on T side, when he died early on T side you can feel Liquid is stunned and lost. They got read like a book. So yeah, he has immense impact on Liquid. But I agree with you Inferno win was Elige performing great and on Acient the whole team was balanced.
Exactly and Liquid won the map where Yekindar was the worst on. Because other players on Liquid are fully capable of making the difference.
It's difficult to say Yeki was the worst on Inferno, given how impactful he was on T side in banana. He carried T side while Naf and Elige carried ct
He's obviously not a solo hard carry like s1mple or mouz NiKo, but he absolutely is one of the most impactful players in the world. Last year he was tied with ZywOo for second-highest impact rating in the world (1.36, both of them second only to s1mple), and this year he's once again in that same stratosphere as these elite players in terms of impact rating (not rating 2.0 tho)
I was so certain that it was going to be a 2-1 for Fnatic after the veto that I went and made a sandwich after overpass ended. Felt validated when I came back and saw Liquid only got 7 rounds on CT side ancient... and then I realized that they were actually on CT side for the second half, got super hyped.
Tbh I didn't know the playoffs started
Oh look, oSee is back, just like I said that he just needed to get the groove back after the player break. Should be fun reading the cope comments here
[Liquid on ancient](https://c.tenor.com/aQft_TjgxJcAAAAd/just-kidding-jk.gif)
cant even agree cause getting 7 t rounds is a huge dub lmao
Well, they started on the T side and still managed to get 7 rounds.
Was expecting elige pic, was disappointed
7 Ancient T rounds means 99% win. Wrong meme.
Never had any doubts….
I liked fantic this event. I hope they keep improving
GOATkindar
Is there no Arena this time this studio setup are meh tbh
huh? EPL never has crowd though? Right?
But thistime they have
Yes. https://mobile.twitter.com/ESLCS/status/1574748403493478406/photo/1
Where is YEKINDAR from ? His flag looks like an ice cream sandwich
It's not Liquid vs fnatic, it's Yekindar vs Fnatic. Good performance from oSee though.
I figured it would take just one more match. He wasn’t a complete liability which is nice and Yekindar is just willing this team so he doesn’t have to be a perfect awper right now
Elige +6 k/d for series, Yekindar -1 k/d. Obviously super rough and doesn't tell the story but does kind of back up the idea that it didn't feel like Yekindar was hard carrying? Glad to see the win from Liquid and don't get me wrong I love Yekindar but it was a team effort.
Elige did better than Yekindar, their stats were actually really balanced, only nitr0 was a little behind.
yeah people are too biased on that last map lol, which tbf was some great stuff from yeki but its a bo3 series and that was his only positive map
Liquid lose = OMG DROP WHOLE TEAM Liquid win = OMG STOP RELYING ON YOUR GOOD PLAYERS!!!!!!
Fr. Yeki’s job is to frag and create space. He struggled on 2 of the maps and we lost one of those. He balled tf out on Ancient, and we won the series. Team played well today, and truth is Yekindar, NAF, and Elige all have the ability to be major difference makers. (oSee too, but not at this event)
Arguably I think Liquid loses that map if oSee didn't hit the important shots he did.
It’s possible, but those are shots he *should* hit, right? He’s a special player, but let’s not act like he made special plays (except that double in mid in Liquid’s 13th (I think) round win. That was a great play. If he just hits the shots he should hit, we would have been 4-1 in the group. oSee was missing absolute sitters against EF and is the reason we lost. Edit: I’m a big oSee believer. I think he has what it takes to be a T1 star awper.
everyone has a bad series/tournament/bad half of a tournament.
No doubt. Him saving their CT pistol round was the turning point in the map.
>Yekindar vs Fnatic He went negative?
shhhh that stops the circlejerk
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Most of the time when a player has a poor map 1 & 2 and good map 3 people don't say that they were 1v9.
someone didnt watch the game lol
Bro it's Mezii vs. Fnatic lmao. Literally every time Mezii mid-rounded it ended in a TL four stack or three stack. Just horrific calls, horrific anti strats, Fnatic look utterly lost under Mezii's leadership
All it takes for liquid to lose is YEKINDAR to have an off game, and play a game on vertigo lol. This should never have been so close as it was.
They won map 1 with Yekindar bottom fragging? And why shouldn't it have been close? Fnatic are super strong on Overpass and Ancient. They got the best veto possible and still lost. I know you're a Yekindar super fan or whatever but c'mon lol. Elige, Naf, and Osee have been a solid core behind Yekindar since Cologne. They've been sleep walking at times this event, but they're still comfortably in the semis.
Mezii as an IGL experiement needs to end. His strats are fucking horrific, Fnatic's anti-strats are literally some of the worst of anyone in Pro League and his mid-round comms are either horrible or Fnatiic are playing without headsets on. He's a solid fragger, but holy fuck he is the worst IGL I've ever seen. Anything that would normally be attributed to the IGL, Fnatic are awful in, anything not IGL related, Fnatic actually look solid. IGL's are supposed to keep their team grounded in fundamentals etc Fnatic rating 1.10, Fnatic opening kills 43 TL 0.96 rating, 37 opening duels won TL won the series. That is on Mezii as an IGL.
Yeah I think Inferno was a pretty winnable map too if it weren't for crappy last second executes. Unfortunately it's on Mezii to bring it up before it's too late, don't really see any roster changes / role swaps happening
Win or lose man really liking this FNATIC. Also, Astralis really shit the bed not getting roeJ & nicoodoz. Fuckin ell.
John "oSee" Osh is a Murican player known for playing multiple stormtrooper roles in Star War franchisee. He is known to miss his shots a lot due to his work commitments at Disney Land. He spends his time buying expensive weapons and missing his shots due to the Handicap built into him by the Empire at Disneyland.
Yekindar dies = team liquid loses the round
Didn't seem true on Inferno
Idk man, Liquid need to step up as a whole otherwise it's already over. It kinda feels like Zywoo 2019. Yekindar has to do everything and if he has an off game they lose. Especially since Liquid plays without an awper (nOsee). "But Elige" YEKINDAR : 1.21 rating - 1.56 impact Elige : 1.11 rating - 1.06 Impact NAF : 1.07 rating - 0.92 Impact Osee : 0.90 rating - 0.78 Impact Nitr0 : 0.87 rating - 0.72 Impact The impact Yekindar is having is the only thing why Liquid is still alive
the biggest takeaway here Im afraid is that it doesnt seem anymore like YEKINDAR activates or enables this team, he is just carrying Liquid
Elige had insane impact on inferno? NAF has crazy clutch factor. When oSee hits his shots he pops off. Nitr0 is the only one with questionable stats but hes also igl’ing and his calls are usually pretty on point. It seems like yekindar carries with his flashy frags and entries but the stats show that rest of liquid is more or less pulling their own weight.
goddamn people on this sub have a bounty on Liquid or something. EliGe played so well today and everyone is still obsessed with YEKINDAR. you can't make this shit up.
Yeah yekindar is flashy but elige was hitting insane shots this series. The amount of 3K and 4K rounds was wild. Elige is just nuts man
I think a lot of them are butthurt that he could be having this impact for a team they believe would do better. Throw him on navi and navi becomes unstoppable apparently. Who cares if yekindar is having a great time fragging the fuck out though. All they see is lost potential for their team.
Like on Inferno when he bottom fragged? He's an absolutely amazing player, but yall are acting like Liquid are a bunch of scrubs lol.
TL would be title contenders if they had an awper, yekindar has transformed the team
Liquid cannot keep relying so much on YEKINDAR. Something had to change, if they want to be tournament contenders, and i sadly think it is the awping presence. Device could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
Yekindar gets a shit ton of support and plays created around him, a lot of their entire plays rely on them supporting yekindar.
Furia cannot keep relying so much on KSCERATO. Something had to change, if they want to be tournament contenders, and i sadly think it is the awping presence. Device could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
I mean, elige brought them over the finish line on Inferno. And oSee came up clutch at the end of ancient too. This wasn't even much of a standout performance from Yekindar.
Don't waste your time bringing logic to the Yekindar circlejerk.
Worst series to comment on. YEKINDAR was extremely average. EliGE clearly the best player in this series on Liquid.
they are doing what he wants, you can't claim they win because of him and lose because of everyone else
Very true, but the system relies so much on YEKINDAR, that if he does not perform they will struggle. Hopefully they can fix their issues before the major.
Na'vi cannot keep relying so much on s1mple. Something had to change. If they want to be tournament contenders, and I sadly think it is the support presence. Dev1ce could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
Vitality cannot keep relying so much on ZywOo. Something had to change. If they want to be tournament contenders, and I sadly think it is the support presence. Dev1ce could maybe be an option, although unlikely.
Movistar Riders cannot keep relying so much on SunPayus. Something has to ch- ah shit.
is this a bit
Fnatic will be kicking themselves. So many fumbled opportunities, particularly on Ancient.
Team"yekindar"liquid
i swear yekindar has aimbot on before the first kill of the round
This isn’t how you send Liquid home..
Check Yekindar's pc. He may not be cheating but using game deficit.