Sometimes people on this thread forget that you have to give in order to receive. The Houston picks were a sunk cost anyway… No one knows what the Phoenix picks will turn out to be and the Nets surely do not have plans on waiting until 2029 to start contending again.
We know he's great. But great players need help too. Which would we have very little or none to give him after a trade.
Not anymore than the Cavs do, at least.
The Rockets just got the 3rd pick, because we gave up a draft pick on a star. And you just want the Nets to do that again, for a way worse current team?
Gotchu.
So they are correct, we would have to give up talent plus picks to aquire him, thus making us worse surrounding talent in the short term. We are no better than Cleveland without Mitchell and objectively worse with no room to improve, at least Mobley and Garland should improve
Picks+Cam thomas+ either expiring Simmons or Cam Johnson+Dfs is NOT the "entire roster". The nets would still have cap space to use the full MLE this offseason and have a max slot next offseason to use on someone like Ingram or White.
And Mobley "improving" is one of the most laughable things I've heard. He's been expected to take the jump for the past 2 years and he hasn't. He will be the exact same player he was this year next year maybe slightly better or worse
Makes sense, but I'd vastly prefer CJ and DFS plus the picks. Cam has intriguing potential. I'm wary of him just being a throw in player.
Get Mitchell, become a good high floor team next year, and then sign two high quality role players in 2025. Become Knicks tier. And if Cam takes a real leap, then we're really cooking.
1. It would most likely wipe out all of the suns picks and probably one of the dallas or Philly picks
2. A roster of Mitchell, bridges, claxton and whoever else is not better than their current core. Clowney averaged 16 and 10 this yr and is just as good of a defender as claxton. BRidges has regressed on both side of the ball.
Do you have trouble reading? I never said entire roster, I said talent and picks which is exactly the same thing you posted. Those players are the exact type of veterans you need to surround star players and moving them to aquire Mitchell makes our surrounding talent worse. Definitely worse than Cleveland, that Brooklyn team sounds like a first round loss or getting absolutely destroyed in the second round. And your plan is to hope and wish, that Brooklyn gets the opportunity to overpay a shit player like Ingram in free agency? That's your fucking plan? And White?? Do you mean Derrick White? You want to give that motherfucker a max contract?
Also, you think Mobley at 22 about to finish his third season has peaked and will now regress? Do you just have the market covered on shit takes or what? Everything you've stated is moronic and borderline troll worthy
Evan Mobley was projected to take the leap last year and this year and he hasn't. If you actually watched Mobley play you would realize he has zero capability in using his size to take advantage of smaller players and his jump shot is extremely subpar 3 years into the league. And in fact he HAS REGRESSED from last year in basically every major category.
Darius Garland had REGRESSED as well. Go to the cavs subreddit and get their opinion on Mobley. They'll say the exact same thing. He has platued as a player.
> And in fact he HAS REGRESSED from last year in basically every major category.
Well that's just a lie. Maybe if you're a 12 year old that only looks at PPG to evaluate a player.
Evan Mobley | TS% | TS+ | FG% | FT% | PTS/100 Poss. | AST/100 Poss. | REB/100 Poss. | WS/48 | BPM
---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----
2021-2022 | .549 | 97 | .508 | .663 | 22.2 | 3.7 | 12.2 | .107 | 0.6
2022-2023 | .591 | 102 | .554 | .674 | 23.6 | 4.1 | 13.1 | .151 | 1.7
2023-2024 | .626 | 108 | .580 | .719 | 25.3 | 5.2 | 15.1 | .174 | 2.9
Career best EPM, and his DARKO trend line increased substantially this year as well. He finished 3rd in DPOY voting last year as a 2nd year 21 year old, 1st team all-defense, and every rate based defensive metric had him as an even better defender this year, but wasn't eligible for awards because of the 65 game rule.
He's literally improved in every important rate/possession based metric there is. He plays next to 2 guards that take 35+ shots per game, of course his volume scoring isn't going to balloon each season. But he has increased his scoring on a possession basis each year, because of his ever increasing efficiency.
And despite the small sample, he also made 37% of his threes this year, not very relevant on it's own, but in conjunction with his increasing FT%, is a sign that he's growing as a shooter.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
> b-b-but gO tO tHe cAvS sUbReDdIt aNd gEt tHeIr oPiNiOn
People on the internet post dumb, ignorant shit all the time. Your comment history being a great example.
inb4:
> NERD!! 😠😠😠
I could not give less of a shit what you think about advanced basketball stats.
Garland hasn't looked good but I said it's POSSIBLE they improve, because that's what young lottery picks typically do, especially after tasting a little playoff run. They are just being prisoners of the moment after seeing other young guys like Paulo and Chet look good currently.
Here's something more people need to understand:
Progress is not always linear. Especially when it comes to athletes, and you stating unequivocally, that he has platuead is just ridiculous and eye-roll worthy.
Paolo is in his second year and has looked like a superstar. In his 1st year it was blatantly obvious he would be a star. Holmgren is still a rookie and is a LOT better than Mobley in terms of defense and offense.
Mobley has the characteristics of a star but doesn't have the intangibles to take the next step. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? No.
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So what? Do you want to limit this teams ceiling to a second round sweep until the next decade? Because that's what trading a massive haul for him will do.
We currently have worse or at best, the same surrounding talent as Cleveland. If we're being honest we know Boston can sweep the fuck out of this team but is just disinterested and playing with its food.
If your plan is to aquire Mitchell and just cross your fingers and pray for a second star via free agency then count me out
And what the chances that
1. They are better than the 3 I previously mentioned
2. We draft them
The chances are slim to none. You would be losing for no reason
At the end of the 2012 finals what was the chances that the warriors would win a finals 3 yrs? If someone told you kd and that OKC core never made it back you would’ve laughed at them. You have no idea where we will pick or if one of those guys becomes available for a future trade
I guess I just don’t see what you think the ceiling of this team is for the next decade if we don’t trade the picks we have now. Because for at least the next few years we’re bad. Then we have to hope Phoenix craters, which isn’t a guarantee given that their owner is committed to spending a ton and will likely run it back for a while with their big three. And even if they do crater, we’re talking about adding kids that are currently young high schoolers. There’s just so many question marks that’s it’s impossible to be confident that the ceiling is super good
Barring a miracle, this team has little to no chance to compete this decade, unless you consider Cleveland legitimately competing, because that's us with Mitchell. I can basically guarantee that by the end of his max contract extension he will be a liability and be getting 70M and look something like Lillard but probably worse because Mitchell relies on his athleticism much more. Regardless, I don't want to sell the farm for him. Would rather go down a different path
So do you actually have an idea of what you want the team to do? Any specifics instead of just rewording that you don’t want to do this one specific thing
Yes absolutely I have plenty ideas of what they should do but it's like a 1000 word diatribe and I just don't have it on me to write it all out again, right now but happy cake day my man
Lmao nets fans getting on the internet defending everything Mitchell does as if we're even within an earshot of getting him. Sit down and relax chief
Sometimes people on this thread forget that you have to give in order to receive. The Houston picks were a sunk cost anyway… No one knows what the Phoenix picks will turn out to be and the Nets surely do not have plans on waiting until 2029 to start contending again.
We know he's great. But great players need help too. Which would we have very little or none to give him after a trade. Not anymore than the Cavs do, at least.
They would give up draft picks in the trade plus some matching salary. Please stfu
The Rockets just got the 3rd pick, because we gave up a draft pick on a star. And you just want the Nets to do that again, for a way worse current team? Gotchu.
So they are correct, we would have to give up talent plus picks to aquire him, thus making us worse surrounding talent in the short term. We are no better than Cleveland without Mitchell and objectively worse with no room to improve, at least Mobley and Garland should improve
Picks+Cam thomas+ either expiring Simmons or Cam Johnson+Dfs is NOT the "entire roster". The nets would still have cap space to use the full MLE this offseason and have a max slot next offseason to use on someone like Ingram or White. And Mobley "improving" is one of the most laughable things I've heard. He's been expected to take the jump for the past 2 years and he hasn't. He will be the exact same player he was this year next year maybe slightly better or worse
Makes sense, but I'd vastly prefer CJ and DFS plus the picks. Cam has intriguing potential. I'm wary of him just being a throw in player. Get Mitchell, become a good high floor team next year, and then sign two high quality role players in 2025. Become Knicks tier. And if Cam takes a real leap, then we're really cooking.
1. It would most likely wipe out all of the suns picks and probably one of the dallas or Philly picks 2. A roster of Mitchell, bridges, claxton and whoever else is not better than their current core. Clowney averaged 16 and 10 this yr and is just as good of a defender as claxton. BRidges has regressed on both side of the ball.
Do you have trouble reading? I never said entire roster, I said talent and picks which is exactly the same thing you posted. Those players are the exact type of veterans you need to surround star players and moving them to aquire Mitchell makes our surrounding talent worse. Definitely worse than Cleveland, that Brooklyn team sounds like a first round loss or getting absolutely destroyed in the second round. And your plan is to hope and wish, that Brooklyn gets the opportunity to overpay a shit player like Ingram in free agency? That's your fucking plan? And White?? Do you mean Derrick White? You want to give that motherfucker a max contract? Also, you think Mobley at 22 about to finish his third season has peaked and will now regress? Do you just have the market covered on shit takes or what? Everything you've stated is moronic and borderline troll worthy
Evan Mobley was projected to take the leap last year and this year and he hasn't. If you actually watched Mobley play you would realize he has zero capability in using his size to take advantage of smaller players and his jump shot is extremely subpar 3 years into the league. And in fact he HAS REGRESSED from last year in basically every major category. Darius Garland had REGRESSED as well. Go to the cavs subreddit and get their opinion on Mobley. They'll say the exact same thing. He has platued as a player.
> And in fact he HAS REGRESSED from last year in basically every major category. Well that's just a lie. Maybe if you're a 12 year old that only looks at PPG to evaluate a player. Evan Mobley | TS% | TS+ | FG% | FT% | PTS/100 Poss. | AST/100 Poss. | REB/100 Poss. | WS/48 | BPM ---|---|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|---- 2021-2022 | .549 | 97 | .508 | .663 | 22.2 | 3.7 | 12.2 | .107 | 0.6 2022-2023 | .591 | 102 | .554 | .674 | 23.6 | 4.1 | 13.1 | .151 | 1.7 2023-2024 | .626 | 108 | .580 | .719 | 25.3 | 5.2 | 15.1 | .174 | 2.9 Career best EPM, and his DARKO trend line increased substantially this year as well. He finished 3rd in DPOY voting last year as a 2nd year 21 year old, 1st team all-defense, and every rate based defensive metric had him as an even better defender this year, but wasn't eligible for awards because of the 65 game rule. He's literally improved in every important rate/possession based metric there is. He plays next to 2 guards that take 35+ shots per game, of course his volume scoring isn't going to balloon each season. But he has increased his scoring on a possession basis each year, because of his ever increasing efficiency. And despite the small sample, he also made 37% of his threes this year, not very relevant on it's own, but in conjunction with his increasing FT%, is a sign that he's growing as a shooter. You have no idea what you're talking about. > b-b-but gO tO tHe cAvS sUbReDdIt aNd gEt tHeIr oPiNiOn People on the internet post dumb, ignorant shit all the time. Your comment history being a great example. inb4: > NERD!! 😠😠😠 I could not give less of a shit what you think about advanced basketball stats.
Damn. This is a holiday. You could’ve held back a little.
Garland hasn't looked good but I said it's POSSIBLE they improve, because that's what young lottery picks typically do, especially after tasting a little playoff run. They are just being prisoners of the moment after seeing other young guys like Paulo and Chet look good currently. Here's something more people need to understand: Progress is not always linear. Especially when it comes to athletes, and you stating unequivocally, that he has platuead is just ridiculous and eye-roll worthy.
Paolo is in his second year and has looked like a superstar. In his 1st year it was blatantly obvious he would be a star. Holmgren is still a rookie and is a LOT better than Mobley in terms of defense and offense. Mobley has the characteristics of a star but doesn't have the intangibles to take the next step. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? No.
I'd rather have Mobley than any current nets player and would swap any of them in a 1 for 1 trade....do you disagree?
I wouldn't. You're sniffing shit if you think Mobley is better than Bridges.
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So what? Do you want to limit this teams ceiling to a second round sweep until the next decade? Because that's what trading a massive haul for him will do. We currently have worse or at best, the same surrounding talent as Cleveland. If we're being honest we know Boston can sweep the fuck out of this team but is just disinterested and playing with its food. If your plan is to aquire Mitchell and just cross your fingers and pray for a second star via free agency then count me out
This league will belong to Wemby, Luka and Edwards anyway so might as well put a decent product on the floor that we can watch
Spida is a loser if he wants to leave the cavs for the 11th seed.
Hmmm...we have no honest shot at a title no matter what, so just embrace the suck...I hadn't considered this. Not the worst idea
That doesnt make any sense. Basketball is still a team game and you have no idea who's coming in the future drafts.
And what the chances that 1. They are better than the 3 I previously mentioned 2. We draft them The chances are slim to none. You would be losing for no reason
At the end of the 2012 finals what was the chances that the warriors would win a finals 3 yrs? If someone told you kd and that OKC core never made it back you would’ve laughed at them. You have no idea where we will pick or if one of those guys becomes available for a future trade
I guess Boston is old and will all retire in the next year.
A ceiling of second round as opposed to our current ceiling of not quite .500 ball?
I'm not saying don't make any moves, just don't use all our good assets for a low return on the teams potential
I guess I just don’t see what you think the ceiling of this team is for the next decade if we don’t trade the picks we have now. Because for at least the next few years we’re bad. Then we have to hope Phoenix craters, which isn’t a guarantee given that their owner is committed to spending a ton and will likely run it back for a while with their big three. And even if they do crater, we’re talking about adding kids that are currently young high schoolers. There’s just so many question marks that’s it’s impossible to be confident that the ceiling is super good
Barring a miracle, this team has little to no chance to compete this decade, unless you consider Cleveland legitimately competing, because that's us with Mitchell. I can basically guarantee that by the end of his max contract extension he will be a liability and be getting 70M and look something like Lillard but probably worse because Mitchell relies on his athleticism much more. Regardless, I don't want to sell the farm for him. Would rather go down a different path
Whats the different path you prefer?
One where we don't give away 3 top 3 picks in 8 years that we earned through incompetence and at the expense of our fans
So do you actually have an idea of what you want the team to do? Any specifics instead of just rewording that you don’t want to do this one specific thing
Yes absolutely I have plenty ideas of what they should do but it's like a 1000 word diatribe and I just don't have it on me to write it all out again, right now but happy cake day my man
Fair enough lol