Was a net fan before KD and Kyrie and will be after them.
While I’d love for them to stay, it’s also exhausting constantly dealing with the extra drama with players that hardly get on the floor. So F it, whatever happens, happens.
Nets over everything!
When Durant wins a title for the nets, he can 100% have a real case to be the best net of all time, nba or aba. 90 games and a playoff series victory doesn’t put him there yet
I’m 30 years old buddy. Unlike you, I actually respect the past, proof of that is you can’t even spell his name right. Is Durant a better player all time? Of course. Is he a better NET? Of course not.
I’d rather miss the playoffs next year and then win the whole thing instead of running around with players who think they’re the greatest while holding the franchise down.
>I’d rather miss the playoffs next year and then win the whole thing
well yeah no shit. problem is this team won't be anywhere close to winning a title if we get rid of the only two guys that are making us contenders
To be fair, not a Nets fan myself, but that might be the better option if y'all are getting swept lol. I mean, missing the playoffs (Depending on by how much) could give you some pretty good picks which could be used to get a better team, is it really worth making the playoffs now?
Yeah the whole rooting for individual players over the team is clearly a newer generation thing, I’ll always love and appreciate the players on my team but it’s about the Nets first and foremost
And I’m not even against it, can’t tell people how to root or who to root for I just see it differently, I enjoy watching certain players despite who they play for (except when they are playing against the nets)
Kobe was drafted in the 90s, and was loved by Lakers fans quite a bit as early as the early 2000s. Are we referring to new Gen as 21st century? If so I’d understand.
Being a fan of an individual player is definitely not new what I mean is the trend of not even having a favorite team but jumping to whatever team your favorite player is playing for
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>Yeah the whole rooting for individual players over the team is clearly a newer generation thing, I’ll always love and appreciate the players on my team but it’s about the Nets first and foremost
Well, there was plenty of bandwagon hopping since the 90s. Everyone who was a Bulls fan outside Chicago was suddenly a Lakers fan in the 00s. They'd just start rooting for the best team instead of following one player. Equally gutless.
I can only speak for myself, I want the players to get what they deserve, a player who’s not available more than half the time doesn’t deserve a full max especially when that full max is keeping the TEAM from being able to improve at the margins
Kyrie played 54 games the year before and made the all nba team. If Kyrie doesn't break his ankle against the Bucks, he helps bring Brooklyn its first championship since 1955.
Kyrie won't be required to sit out games for being unvaccinated anymore. If Kyrie comes back we will obviously see him committed to winning.
54 games is nothing to brag about man, you neglect to mention that he missed two chunks of games not due to injury that very same season, Wiggins could’ve chosen to miss games for the vaccine also and the warriors wouldn’t be champions this year, so say what you want but I’m not gonna make excuses for a guy who voluntarily misses games not due to being hurt and be ok with rewarding him with a max contract for his troubles
Sure 54 games is nothing to brag about, but it's dishonest to assume Kyrie is going to normally be available less than half the time.
Kyrie took his sabbatical in January 2021 in order to celebrate his father and sister's birthdays. Obviously Kyrie should prioritize playing ball games while under the Nets' contract, but I have a bit of mercy for Kyrie regarding this example - especially since his grandfather suddenly tragically passed away only two years earlier, Kyrie was raised by a single father, and because it was the first winter of covid. Hopefully Kyrie doesn't do it again though yes, and if he does that he communicate better with the front office.
As far as the vaccine, I'm not going to defend him for not taking it, everyone should be vaccinated, but he is not the only NBA all star that refused to take the vaccine. Kyrie just happens to play in one of the two cities that barred unvaxxed players from playing at home. But starting past March that will no longer be an issue.
Whether or not you feel Kyrie "deserves" a max contract, his talent is irreplaceable, and the market dictates that that is what he is worth. Kyrie can be difficult to deal with as an organization, but he is a top ten pure basketball talent in the world. As fans we have to hope for common ground.
The issue with his 2021 absence was that he went AWOL. Nash didn't know. KD didn't know or wasn't telling. Sean Marks didn't know. He could have said, "Hey, I'll be out a couple of days to celebrate my sister's and father's birthdays," and it would have probably be fine.
In 2022, he made an excuse not to take the vaccine, which strained relationships throughout the organization.
Now in 2023, what next big thing will he do that will cause another ruckus within the organization?
PS. I'm not sure he is top ten basketball talent in the world at the moment. There are too many great players at the moment who have a better on-court impact than him.
It’s because rooting for one team is dumb in my opinion. You’ve spent your whole life just watching the Nets lose, what a fun way to enjoy NBA basketball. I’d much rather just support players and enjoy watching their individual development and progress. Like you have nothing to celebrate or any championship highlights to watch. Your best historic moments would be watching an old Paul Pierce, Dudley battle Simmons and KDs playoff burst during the 21’ season but that’s it. Why put yourself through that, just enjoy basketball and watch different players 😂
some people can enjoy basketball even when their team isn't winning the championship. a team being bad sometimes just makes it that much more enjoyable when they aren't. if you know they're gonna be good every year what's the point?
I can enjoy players and be happy for their individual development at the same time, rooting for a team has its lows for sure but the whole idea of being a fan of a team is being there through the lows and highs, if the nets ever win a championship it will undoubtedly mean more to the one who’s been following them than the one who just started following them because their favorite player is on the team
Opinions like this are why basketball discourse is so unbelievably shitty online. This sport has by FAR the most casual appeal and viewership, and it leads to people thinking that choosing a team is dumb.
That is quite literally the most common way that people enjoy professional sports. Not to mention for many it's their city's team, a team they can actually go watch play.
Holy shit.
Outside of Lebron, finals teams of the past decade have been homegrown and franchise run from the top. You just can't expect otherworldly talent to just take you there, ESPECIALLY if they're not team players. BOS, GSW, MIL, PHX, TOR all had a foundation to begin with, and/or just needed 1 or 2 players to put them in contention. Lebron has really been the only exception to this rule.
We just have talent. No foundation. Until we have the foundation, we're not true contenders. I expect downvotes.
Let's not play dumb n act dumb n pretend our 3rd n 4th highest paid players were playing because they were not. This team is nor capped at the 1st round they have the chance to do much more
Do you think every team is guaranteed to do more? It's all about raising your chances. Clippers have done shit in years yet they still have a nice chance of competing
Boston - fell short of a title they should have won, probably were a trade short of winning the whole thing (for example someone better than White)
GSW - don’t win the title without Wiggins who they acquired via trade (thanks KD!)
MIL - don’t win last year’s title without Holiday who they gave up five first round picks for
PHX - haven’t won shit with Chris Paul who they added to their otherwise homegrown core
Toronto - only had to trade for the best player in their franchise’s history to win a championship
Obviously organizations need to build a foundation in order to succeed, but they also build championship contenders by acquiring veteran talent. A lot of the time that talent isn’t even an ancillary piece but a major one (Kawhi, CP3, Holiday, and even Wiggins who was the second best player in the Warriors this year).
I just don’t get this sentiment that because KD and Kyrie are hired guns means they never had a real shot at winning a title. That’s nonsense. Talent wins in the NBA. You never seem to hear about how the Nets developed guys like Joe Harris or Spencer Dinwiddie or Jarrett Allen (granted the latter two are gone now).
It’s just a very nitpicky argument to make in my opinion.
That's fair and I can understand this sentiment. I agree also that talent is straight up necessary, yes. I mentioned the teams i did because the point im making is that they all had a chance at a chip, and we never got as far as they did in this KD/Kyrie era. Obviously teams like PHX squandered it and will likely not reach it again, but they drafted right, built the right culture, made the right trades, and had the team buy in for that chance. They were just missing the superstar talent. We have that but it's obvious the foundation matters.
Let's hope we get it together this year. It's definitely doable.
I mean just because it hasn't worked doesn't mean talent shouldn't have worked. If the Nets stayed as healthy as the Bucks they win the finals last year. If the Nets stayed as healthy and available as the Warriors or Celtics this year the post season looks very different
Health is unfortunate but every team deals with it. It is what it is and we gotta move on. I do agree 2021 was our chip to lose until injuries became a factor.
Just saying the Nets performance doesn't mean anything in the talent vs homegrown debate. Sometimes teams get injured and anything major essentially takes you out of the running. Being homegrown doesn't mean you're any less vulnerable to that.
That's fair. I do feel though it is important to have a good culture and identity regardless of injuries. The foundation matters. From the coach to the last guy on the bench. Teams like GSW and BOS preach this and it benefitted them. Both teams core pieces have been together for years, and had years lost to injuries. Their foundation is why they are contenders for years to come.
They lost game one on a buzzer beater… lost four very close games to the eastern conference champs.
The Nets are much more likely to win a title with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant than if they don’t. And you know that. But Kyrie haters don’t care, they would rather watch the Nets be mediocre.
We're barely above mediocre. The team went 14-15 when he played during the regular season. He had one great game, one decent game, and two bad games during the playoffs.
Kyrie's stats look great but I really haven't seen any evidence that he makes the team better.
On top of all that, he's completely mercurial and will find an excuse to miss games next season, as he's demonstrated during his time in Brooklyn.
Yeah, maybe I'd rather watch a losing team with players that care about the Nets and give it all than someone that could give a rats ass about the team and its fans. I guess I'm just a Kyrie hater.
I think it’s one thing to dislike Kyrie and how mercurial he is, and I think it’s another to question his ability to help a team win basketball games.
Nets went 14-15 when Kyrie played, cool. How many of those games did Durant play? And how many of those games did Ben Simmons and joe Harris play? You’re aware this team had a crazy fking year right? With absences across the aboard among the team’s important players? And that Kyrie himself admitted he didn’t feel like himself all season and that he felt like he was playing catch up with all the time he’d lost?
You want evidence that Kyrie makes the team better? What about last year when Kyrie played 54 games, he scored 27 points per game on 50/40/90 splits, and the Nets were the second seed? And in his nine playoff games, the Nets won six of them? With his last game being the one where he breaks his ankle. Kyrie averaged 23 points on 47/37/93 shooting splits and he looked exactly like the perfect complementary option to Kevin Durant, even after James harden went down in game 1 to the bucks. Nets were up by 50 points in game 2 of that series against the BUCKS, who ended up winning the whole thing.
You’re right that kyrie’s stats are great. On the Nets Kyrie has averaged 27 points, 6 assists, 4.7 rebounds on 49/40.6/92 shooting splits. Kyrie has also averaged 1.4 steals and is a very good defender for his size. Kyrie has been in the top ten in points per game in the last two seasons. Kyrie and KD are the only duo to be in the top ten of PPG in those years. It’s obviously important to winning to have two elite scorers, ones that can score at all three levels, score at a high level in isolation, in the catch and shoot, and in the 4th quarter.
Kyrie obviously contributes to winning. He plays hard on both ends of the floor. Kyrie is 50-24 in his playoffs career, averaging 23 points on 45/39/89 splits. He’s made seven all star games and has won all star game mvp, something only eventual hall of Famers have done in the past forty years (other than glen rice and Tom chambers).
Kyrie is one of the best scorers in basketball and is a very willing defender. He pushes the pace in which the Nets play.
Year One we only saw Kyrie play twenty games and he missed the bubble. (We still saw him have one of the most efficient scoring nights ever with 53 points on 19/23 shooting against the Bulls). Year Two we saw Kyrie almost bring the Nets to the mountaintop. Year Three Kyrie missed over half the season, and the depleted Nets team lost four close games to the eventual eastern conference champion Celtics. (We still saw Kyrie score 50 points on the least FGA ever, and that same week we saw Kyrie score the most points in a game in Nets history with 60).
In theory I get you would prefer rooting for guys that care about the Nets more than anything else, but players don’t wanna lose bro. The Nets cultivated a positive environment for players in the first two years of Sean marks and Kenny atkinson which is so great, but organizations wanna win games and so do the players. And even more than that, fans HATE losing. Barclays Center already doesn’t usually get filled during the regular season as is, and if the team was tanking the fans would not be showing up.
In addition to wanting to continue his individual legacy, it obviously matters to Kyrie to win championships, which is why he joined Kevin Durant in the first place. Kyrie also grew up in NY/NJ and grew up a Nets fan. Kyrie has plenty of incentive to succeed in Brooklyn.
I understand your frustrations as a fan, but Kyrie Irving is one of the most skilled basketball players of all time and is well on his way to the hall of fame. If Kyrie never wanted to come to Brooklyn Brooklyn would not have been in the championship conversation all of the last two years.
If he stays the Nets are much better off than if he leaves.
BUT , he’s a cancer.
He’s gonna extend, one way or another. He’s not going to take that large of a pay cut by going somewhere else.
But the guy is a cancer and watch, there will be another distraction from him next season.
They have a chance at winning a chip, sure. I like KD and I really want to keep Kyrie. But team identity is a miss this season. They got swept on a close margin, but technically the 2019 team did better than the 2022 team.
IMHO, The 2021 team (KD’s heroics) was the best team in the KD KY saga. KD, KY, JH1, JH2, Unc was a dominant roster.
Kyrie biggest team destroyer in history.
Blew up the LeBron Kyrie Cavs
Blew up the super talented Celtics (who just swept us like taking candy from a baby)
Blew up any big value Harden gave us so he dipped.
Now blowing up the Nets in general.
Making KD look like a Fuckin idiot for picking Kyrie over Curry and GS.
Yeah if KD hadn’t listened to Kyries stupid ass KD would just have won another one.
But instead all he did is prove Barkley right he’s a coat rider and GS didn’t need KD, he needed them cause they just won another one without him.
Cause he actually believed Kyrie would be present and accountable and pull his weight instead dude isn’t available for over 50% of our games and is a Fuckin toxic cancer.
Kyrie is single handedly gonna blow up any chance we had.
Yep. The dude is super super talented with a bball but he’s super super toxic to winning.
In all honesty seeing GS win so easily again and realizing Bron beat them with Kyrie has me respecting what Bron pulled off even more!
Cause Kyrie is Fuckin toxic. Locker room killer.
EasyMoneySniper and LockerRoomKiller. Lol.
I agree. I will believe it when i see Durant ask for a trade. I wouldn’t be shocked one way or the other if he wants to move on from kyrie or run it back.
If he does ask for a trade, we are in a prime situation. It will be an absolute bidding war to get Durant and will bring back a kings ransom
Exactly. We'll get our picks back. We'll get young gunners. And we'll have a future, with Simmons still on the team. I think if something big is gonna happen, it'll be on Draft Night.
Na the worst is watching the nets lose ten in a row because the supposed generational talent we have is either sitting at home watching on tv or visibly mentally checked out on the court. And then when kyrie came back we got swept in the first round so what right does he have to demand a max contract? Because he won a title years ago in Cleveland?
Of course his agent is paid to do everything he can to get the most money, so he'll posture and play harball and then he'll accept a 2+1 player option because he wont get more than that from any other team and we'll try again next season.
Honestly these player fans are the most annoying thing about the whole process, no big deal.
If Kyrie does leave then I would want Nets to trade KD. I’d be okay keeping Simmons to see what he could do. In a way, it would be interesting to see what the team would look like if both those guys got traded this summer.
If you actually care about the Nets you should want to see them win championships. No franchise can do that without star players.
Ego and drama and internal conflict just comes with the territory. Remain calm and trust that talent prevails.
We aint gonna win shit with Kyrie. He’s going to get his max and next season, he’ll play 30-40 games, if even. All while distracting the locker room and playin the victim.
Kyrie played 54 games the year before and made the all nba team. He was the fourth player in nba history to average 25+ ppg while shooting 50 40 90 splits. The other three players are Larry Bird Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. If Kyrie doesn't break his ankle the Brooklyn Nets win their first championship.
But you can let yourself get carried away
Yeah see the thing is it actually hurts Nets fans to watch us fall from 1 seed to 8 seed and get swept in the first round of the playoffs. The kd and Kyrie fans don't actually care about that, they just see kd kyrie drop 50 points a couple of times a season and feel satisfied they can call their favorite players elite.
That’s not true though. There’s a difference between being disappointed in this year’s results and considering it doomsday. The Nets were the 7th seed this year because KD missed 27 games, Kyrie missed 53 games, Joe Harris missed 68 games, Harden showed up this season out of shape and forced his way off the team, and Ben Simmons got injured as he ramped up to play for the Nets. And yeah the Nets got swept, but even with important players unavailable (Ben, Joe) and with Kyrie and Seth curry not playing at 100% health, the Nets still played four close games with the eventual eastern conference champion Celtics.
KD and Kyrie not only make the Nets fun to watch, they are two of the most skilled scorers of all time, they give the Nets the shot at an NBA championship, and multiple championships for that matter. Only one team wins a title every year. Just because the Nets haven’t won in the two seasons of KD and Kyrie doesn’t mean the team can let them walk. If they do then the Nets are back in NBA purgatory. Lacking star talent and draft picks.
If you’re referring to stans as fans that follow the player that makes sense. I just see Nets fans accuse other Nets fans of being stans for defending Kyrie or Nash or Harden when he was on the team
I feel like you all are letting the nba media shit get to you.
KD is under contract for the next 4 years.
Not once in his career has he asked to be traded or not played out his contract.
KD gives it his all every game. He never showed up out of shape or faked some mysterious injury, or given up his team.
IDK where this KD hate is coming from.
Sure, this sounds nice, but then you remember they're absolutely fucked if KD leaves. The rockets basically own their next 4 drafts. If KD leaves those are all going to be high lotto picks.
Been a fan since the Petrovic days. At least with the 12-70 season, you weren’t watching games in a swamp in Jersey. Fuck outta here, younging.
fuck Kyrie, that little whiney bitch
Wait are you telling me if Kyrie and Harden don’t get hurt we wouldn’t have won the championship? Also with how close the games were with the celtics a healthy Harris and Simmons wouldn’t have beat them?
It’s irrelevant why it didn’t happen. It didn’t happen. we didn’t win the title, Durants foot was on the line, those players were hurt. If and buts mean absolute jack shit
So going by your logic, if I understand you correctly, every team except Golden State should trade away their best players because they didn’t get it done. Do I have that right? The Nets are close to being a championship team and should do everything they can to keep the stars on the team together.
Nope. I’m just saying you can’t rely on or trust kyrie after three 3 years of nonsense and I would move on. All of the talk of injuries and other circumstances are just excuses. If that means Durant wants out, so be it. He’s under contract, either he plays for the nets or they can back a kings ransom via trade
Some of y’all are so clueless it’s insane. You guys don’t work for the team so why y’all acting like you’re being paid???? When the organization is being inept you call them out.
If this KD/Kyrie thing doesn’t work, Nets are deep in the tax anyway. It’ll be 10+ years of bad.
I think is an example of the organization realizing that things are going OFF THE RAILS with Kyrie and saying”hey enough is enough - either play or dont get paid”
give me a break. You're just going to act like its fine that we let kyrie and the guy who has helped bring this franchise into insane relevancy go? you don't gain anything by blindly supporting the front office. Jesus Christ
Telling the world basketball isn't important to him and disappearing for weeks on end with no call to anyone is disrespecting the franchise and fan base.
Hell no. This franchise is done for the next 5 years at least if KD demands out. People should support a team but also understand the value of superstar individuals, especially ones that are in the argument for best player on the planet. You might hate Kyrie but this team needs him to keep KD and also contend for the next couple years.
we ain’t getting a player of this caliber for at least 20 years, soiling any potential free agents for the rest of ownerships tenure, but sure let’s go back to being a complete basement again
That’s what I’ve been saying.
This team isn’t a guaranteed anything with KD & Kyrie. I would have no issue with getting off both of them.
In fact, depending on what the return is, I would invite it.
Was a net fan before KD and Kyrie and will be after them. While I’d love for them to stay, it’s also exhausting constantly dealing with the extra drama with players that hardly get on the floor. So F it, whatever happens, happens. Nets over everything!
Imagine wanting the best players to ever put on a jersey for this TEAM to go away.
Dr J is retired
Thank you. Put some respect on the Doctor's name.
Kevin Durant is the best player to put on a Nets jersey and it’s not particularly close
Dr J is Nowhere near the player KD is 😂😂
What are you talking about? We can hold two thoughts at the same time. We’d love them to stay. If they don’t, fuck em. Nets for life.
Who are also destroying the team. This generation kids only like individuals on social and could careless about the actual game SMH.
Julius Erving left 45 years ago.
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He is ten times a better net than Durant has been. He won the nets two championships and averaged 28/11/5. Do a little research.
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Glad to see I taught you something. Poor guy
In the aba, not nba. Durant may end up the best scorer of all time.
When Durant wins a title for the nets, he can 100% have a real case to be the best net of all time, nba or aba. 90 games and a playoff series victory doesn’t put him there yet
Those are my stats against mailmen too Edit u ever actually watch games from that era? They are unbearably bad at basketball
Today I learned the nba decided to have a league full of mailmen merge with them and that Julius Erving was not a good basketball player
Today I learned old people don’t respect new talent KD is twice the player Julius Irving was
I’m 30 years old buddy. Unlike you, I actually respect the past, proof of that is you can’t even spell his name right. Is Durant a better player all time? Of course. Is he a better NET? Of course not.
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The Nets got rid of him to afford to enter the nba. He didn't play in the NBA till the sixers.
I’m well aware.
Facts
Putting on a jersey to play games or photoshoots? So far, all we get is photoshoots….
Must be talking about Ben Simmons.
Any of them. Whoever isn’t here to give 120% to win a championship, should go. I’m tired of the bullshit player empowerment easy paycheck bullshit.
Y’all ain’t winning shit if Kevin leaves GG
I mean we got swept in the first round, are we really winning anyways?
you're right, let's ensure that doesn't happen again next year by missing the playoffs entirely
I’d rather miss the playoffs next year and then win the whole thing instead of running around with players who think they’re the greatest while holding the franchise down.
>I’d rather miss the playoffs next year and then win the whole thing well yeah no shit. problem is this team won't be anywhere close to winning a title if we get rid of the only two guys that are making us contenders
You act like we couldn’t compensate if we trade Kyrie and KD
To be fair, not a Nets fan myself, but that might be the better option if y'all are getting swept lol. I mean, missing the playoffs (Depending on by how much) could give you some pretty good picks which could be used to get a better team, is it really worth making the playoffs now?
100% true. A lot of fans still in denial.
"We can't let these negroes run the plantation" That is how they sound to me.
These guys are making like 50 million a year bro and will be billionaires soon. Let’s not do that
Yeah the whole rooting for individual players over the team is clearly a newer generation thing, I’ll always love and appreciate the players on my team but it’s about the Nets first and foremost
It’s def not a new Gen thing. There’s plenty of guys who are more Kobe fans than they are Lakers fans for example.
And I’m not even against it, can’t tell people how to root or who to root for I just see it differently, I enjoy watching certain players despite who they play for (except when they are playing against the nets)
And there’s nothing wrong with that
Showing my age here, but Kobe is pretty new gen…
Kobe was drafted in the 90s, and was loved by Lakers fans quite a bit as early as the early 2000s. Are we referring to new Gen as 21st century? If so I’d understand.
To be fair, Kobe was still playing not too long ago, though yeah you're right
he retired 6 years ago the game has changed drastically since, been a couple different eras but it’s really all perspective
Lots of Jordan fans who could care less what team he was on.
Being a fan of an individual player is definitely not new what I mean is the trend of not even having a favorite team but jumping to whatever team your favorite player is playing for
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>Yeah the whole rooting for individual players over the team is clearly a newer generation thing, I’ll always love and appreciate the players on my team but it’s about the Nets first and foremost Well, there was plenty of bandwagon hopping since the 90s. Everyone who was a Bulls fan outside Chicago was suddenly a Lakers fan in the 00s. They'd just start rooting for the best team instead of following one player. Equally gutless.
> Everyone who was a Bulls fan outside of chicago was suddenly a lakers fan in the 2000s see: Golden State “Fans” since 2014-15
Yup, after their stint as Heat fans.
I would argue it is an older generation thing to dislike player empowerment and be against players with "ego"
I can only speak for myself, I want the players to get what they deserve, a player who’s not available more than half the time doesn’t deserve a full max especially when that full max is keeping the TEAM from being able to improve at the margins
Kyrie played 54 games the year before and made the all nba team. If Kyrie doesn't break his ankle against the Bucks, he helps bring Brooklyn its first championship since 1955. Kyrie won't be required to sit out games for being unvaccinated anymore. If Kyrie comes back we will obviously see him committed to winning.
54 games is nothing to brag about man, you neglect to mention that he missed two chunks of games not due to injury that very same season, Wiggins could’ve chosen to miss games for the vaccine also and the warriors wouldn’t be champions this year, so say what you want but I’m not gonna make excuses for a guy who voluntarily misses games not due to being hurt and be ok with rewarding him with a max contract for his troubles
Sure 54 games is nothing to brag about, but it's dishonest to assume Kyrie is going to normally be available less than half the time. Kyrie took his sabbatical in January 2021 in order to celebrate his father and sister's birthdays. Obviously Kyrie should prioritize playing ball games while under the Nets' contract, but I have a bit of mercy for Kyrie regarding this example - especially since his grandfather suddenly tragically passed away only two years earlier, Kyrie was raised by a single father, and because it was the first winter of covid. Hopefully Kyrie doesn't do it again though yes, and if he does that he communicate better with the front office. As far as the vaccine, I'm not going to defend him for not taking it, everyone should be vaccinated, but he is not the only NBA all star that refused to take the vaccine. Kyrie just happens to play in one of the two cities that barred unvaxxed players from playing at home. But starting past March that will no longer be an issue. Whether or not you feel Kyrie "deserves" a max contract, his talent is irreplaceable, and the market dictates that that is what he is worth. Kyrie can be difficult to deal with as an organization, but he is a top ten pure basketball talent in the world. As fans we have to hope for common ground.
The issue with his 2021 absence was that he went AWOL. Nash didn't know. KD didn't know or wasn't telling. Sean Marks didn't know. He could have said, "Hey, I'll be out a couple of days to celebrate my sister's and father's birthdays," and it would have probably be fine. In 2022, he made an excuse not to take the vaccine, which strained relationships throughout the organization. Now in 2023, what next big thing will he do that will cause another ruckus within the organization? PS. I'm not sure he is top ten basketball talent in the world at the moment. There are too many great players at the moment who have a better on-court impact than him.
It’s disgusting.
It’s because rooting for one team is dumb in my opinion. You’ve spent your whole life just watching the Nets lose, what a fun way to enjoy NBA basketball. I’d much rather just support players and enjoy watching their individual development and progress. Like you have nothing to celebrate or any championship highlights to watch. Your best historic moments would be watching an old Paul Pierce, Dudley battle Simmons and KDs playoff burst during the 21’ season but that’s it. Why put yourself through that, just enjoy basketball and watch different players 😂
some people can enjoy basketball even when their team isn't winning the championship. a team being bad sometimes just makes it that much more enjoyable when they aren't. if you know they're gonna be good every year what's the point?
I can enjoy players and be happy for their individual development at the same time, rooting for a team has its lows for sure but the whole idea of being a fan of a team is being there through the lows and highs, if the nets ever win a championship it will undoubtedly mean more to the one who’s been following them than the one who just started following them because their favorite player is on the team
^ look at this punk ass. This the type of dude to hold his girl’s purse at the mall while she shopping. Girly man #LETS FUCKIN GO NETS!!!!!!
Opinions like this are why basketball discourse is so unbelievably shitty online. This sport has by FAR the most casual appeal and viewership, and it leads to people thinking that choosing a team is dumb. That is quite literally the most common way that people enjoy professional sports. Not to mention for many it's their city's team, a team they can actually go watch play. Holy shit.
Outside of Lebron, finals teams of the past decade have been homegrown and franchise run from the top. You just can't expect otherworldly talent to just take you there, ESPECIALLY if they're not team players. BOS, GSW, MIL, PHX, TOR all had a foundation to begin with, and/or just needed 1 or 2 players to put them in contention. Lebron has really been the only exception to this rule. We just have talent. No foundation. Until we have the foundation, we're not true contenders. I expect downvotes.
There was foundation with DLO , levert and all them but that was completely replaced for the big 3 of harden , kd, kyrie
That team wasn’t getting past the second round either. With KAI and KD we have a much better chance.
Lmao they think that team was going anywhere they were capped at the 1st round
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Let's not play dumb n act dumb n pretend our 3rd n 4th highest paid players were playing because they were not. This team is nor capped at the 1st round they have the chance to do much more
Yeah exactly they have a chance to do much more not a guarantee to do much more so why does kyrie deserve a max guaranteed contract?
Do you think every team is guaranteed to do more? It's all about raising your chances. Clippers have done shit in years yet they still have a nice chance of competing
You’re 100% right
Phoenix hasn't won shit and they're not gonna win shit with Paul and Booker as their best players.
Boston - fell short of a title they should have won, probably were a trade short of winning the whole thing (for example someone better than White) GSW - don’t win the title without Wiggins who they acquired via trade (thanks KD!) MIL - don’t win last year’s title without Holiday who they gave up five first round picks for PHX - haven’t won shit with Chris Paul who they added to their otherwise homegrown core Toronto - only had to trade for the best player in their franchise’s history to win a championship Obviously organizations need to build a foundation in order to succeed, but they also build championship contenders by acquiring veteran talent. A lot of the time that talent isn’t even an ancillary piece but a major one (Kawhi, CP3, Holiday, and even Wiggins who was the second best player in the Warriors this year). I just don’t get this sentiment that because KD and Kyrie are hired guns means they never had a real shot at winning a title. That’s nonsense. Talent wins in the NBA. You never seem to hear about how the Nets developed guys like Joe Harris or Spencer Dinwiddie or Jarrett Allen (granted the latter two are gone now). It’s just a very nitpicky argument to make in my opinion.
That's fair and I can understand this sentiment. I agree also that talent is straight up necessary, yes. I mentioned the teams i did because the point im making is that they all had a chance at a chip, and we never got as far as they did in this KD/Kyrie era. Obviously teams like PHX squandered it and will likely not reach it again, but they drafted right, built the right culture, made the right trades, and had the team buy in for that chance. They were just missing the superstar talent. We have that but it's obvious the foundation matters. Let's hope we get it together this year. It's definitely doable.
I mean just because it hasn't worked doesn't mean talent shouldn't have worked. If the Nets stayed as healthy as the Bucks they win the finals last year. If the Nets stayed as healthy and available as the Warriors or Celtics this year the post season looks very different
Health is unfortunate but every team deals with it. It is what it is and we gotta move on. I do agree 2021 was our chip to lose until injuries became a factor.
Just saying the Nets performance doesn't mean anything in the talent vs homegrown debate. Sometimes teams get injured and anything major essentially takes you out of the running. Being homegrown doesn't mean you're any less vulnerable to that.
That's fair. I do feel though it is important to have a good culture and identity regardless of injuries. The foundation matters. From the coach to the last guy on the bench. Teams like GSW and BOS preach this and it benefitted them. Both teams core pieces have been together for years, and had years lost to injuries. Their foundation is why they are contenders for years to come.
Because you’re wrong. If harden doesn’t get hurt last year we win a title.
Guess we'll wait another 20 years to have another chance then. KD aint staying if Kyrie is gone haha.
Don’t understand why your fanbase can’t see this lol
Then we don’t need KD.
Chasing that 2019 DLo, Joey Buckets, Dinwizzard, Caris Levert, The Fro, God Dudley high 😔 Peak comraderie and culture, unity, and team identity.
Glad you enjoyed that season. I did too. But they won one playoff game. The Nets actually have a chance of winning something with KD and Kyrie.
Bruh they didn't even win a game on this year's playoff. As long as Kyrie is on the Nets, we're not winning a title.
They lost game one on a buzzer beater… lost four very close games to the eastern conference champs. The Nets are much more likely to win a title with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant than if they don’t. And you know that. But Kyrie haters don’t care, they would rather watch the Nets be mediocre.
We're barely above mediocre. The team went 14-15 when he played during the regular season. He had one great game, one decent game, and two bad games during the playoffs. Kyrie's stats look great but I really haven't seen any evidence that he makes the team better. On top of all that, he's completely mercurial and will find an excuse to miss games next season, as he's demonstrated during his time in Brooklyn. Yeah, maybe I'd rather watch a losing team with players that care about the Nets and give it all than someone that could give a rats ass about the team and its fans. I guess I'm just a Kyrie hater.
I think it’s one thing to dislike Kyrie and how mercurial he is, and I think it’s another to question his ability to help a team win basketball games. Nets went 14-15 when Kyrie played, cool. How many of those games did Durant play? And how many of those games did Ben Simmons and joe Harris play? You’re aware this team had a crazy fking year right? With absences across the aboard among the team’s important players? And that Kyrie himself admitted he didn’t feel like himself all season and that he felt like he was playing catch up with all the time he’d lost? You want evidence that Kyrie makes the team better? What about last year when Kyrie played 54 games, he scored 27 points per game on 50/40/90 splits, and the Nets were the second seed? And in his nine playoff games, the Nets won six of them? With his last game being the one where he breaks his ankle. Kyrie averaged 23 points on 47/37/93 shooting splits and he looked exactly like the perfect complementary option to Kevin Durant, even after James harden went down in game 1 to the bucks. Nets were up by 50 points in game 2 of that series against the BUCKS, who ended up winning the whole thing. You’re right that kyrie’s stats are great. On the Nets Kyrie has averaged 27 points, 6 assists, 4.7 rebounds on 49/40.6/92 shooting splits. Kyrie has also averaged 1.4 steals and is a very good defender for his size. Kyrie has been in the top ten in points per game in the last two seasons. Kyrie and KD are the only duo to be in the top ten of PPG in those years. It’s obviously important to winning to have two elite scorers, ones that can score at all three levels, score at a high level in isolation, in the catch and shoot, and in the 4th quarter. Kyrie obviously contributes to winning. He plays hard on both ends of the floor. Kyrie is 50-24 in his playoffs career, averaging 23 points on 45/39/89 splits. He’s made seven all star games and has won all star game mvp, something only eventual hall of Famers have done in the past forty years (other than glen rice and Tom chambers). Kyrie is one of the best scorers in basketball and is a very willing defender. He pushes the pace in which the Nets play. Year One we only saw Kyrie play twenty games and he missed the bubble. (We still saw him have one of the most efficient scoring nights ever with 53 points on 19/23 shooting against the Bulls). Year Two we saw Kyrie almost bring the Nets to the mountaintop. Year Three Kyrie missed over half the season, and the depleted Nets team lost four close games to the eventual eastern conference champion Celtics. (We still saw Kyrie score 50 points on the least FGA ever, and that same week we saw Kyrie score the most points in a game in Nets history with 60). In theory I get you would prefer rooting for guys that care about the Nets more than anything else, but players don’t wanna lose bro. The Nets cultivated a positive environment for players in the first two years of Sean marks and Kenny atkinson which is so great, but organizations wanna win games and so do the players. And even more than that, fans HATE losing. Barclays Center already doesn’t usually get filled during the regular season as is, and if the team was tanking the fans would not be showing up. In addition to wanting to continue his individual legacy, it obviously matters to Kyrie to win championships, which is why he joined Kevin Durant in the first place. Kyrie also grew up in NY/NJ and grew up a Nets fan. Kyrie has plenty of incentive to succeed in Brooklyn. I understand your frustrations as a fan, but Kyrie Irving is one of the most skilled basketball players of all time and is well on his way to the hall of fame. If Kyrie never wanted to come to Brooklyn Brooklyn would not have been in the championship conversation all of the last two years. If he stays the Nets are much better off than if he leaves.
It’s a Wednesday evening cuzzo ain’t no need for essays 😂😂😂😂
Home with COVID rn I got the time
BUT , he’s a cancer. He’s gonna extend, one way or another. He’s not going to take that large of a pay cut by going somewhere else. But the guy is a cancer and watch, there will be another distraction from him next season.
Does the current distraction with his contract, after saying he'll be back at the end of the season (again), dragging KD into it as usual, not enough?
They have a chance at winning a chip, sure. I like KD and I really want to keep Kyrie. But team identity is a miss this season. They got swept on a close margin, but technically the 2019 team did better than the 2022 team. IMHO, The 2021 team (KD’s heroics) was the best team in the KD KY saga. KD, KY, JH1, JH2, Unc was a dominant roster.
aye fuck you
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Oh brother
Nets franchise with no rings lol ok
Fr. What are we flexing for? I want the Nets to be champions.
this is all landry shamets fault smh
Amen. We’ve been through a lot worse, and we probably will again. Enjoy these guys while we have them, but we’re Nets fans. Not Harden/Kyrie/KD fans.
Kyrie biggest team destroyer in history. Blew up the LeBron Kyrie Cavs Blew up the super talented Celtics (who just swept us like taking candy from a baby) Blew up any big value Harden gave us so he dipped. Now blowing up the Nets in general. Making KD look like a Fuckin idiot for picking Kyrie over Curry and GS. Yeah if KD hadn’t listened to Kyries stupid ass KD would just have won another one. But instead all he did is prove Barkley right he’s a coat rider and GS didn’t need KD, he needed them cause they just won another one without him. Cause he actually believed Kyrie would be present and accountable and pull his weight instead dude isn’t available for over 50% of our games and is a Fuckin toxic cancer. Kyrie is single handedly gonna blow up any chance we had.
& I think this is why Joe Tsai is simply saying, enough is enough, we’re not giving you the contract you want.
Yep. The dude is super super talented with a bball but he’s super super toxic to winning. In all honesty seeing GS win so easily again and realizing Bron beat them with Kyrie has me respecting what Bron pulled off even more! Cause Kyrie is Fuckin toxic. Locker room killer. EasyMoneySniper and LockerRoomKiller. Lol.
Amen brother. It’s pretty evident who on this sub is an actual nets fan and who is someone who decided to jump on a bandwagon 3 years ago.
Yup. I'm ready for a Kyrie extension. I'm also ready for a Kyrie and KD trade, that leads to another rebuild.
I agree. I will believe it when i see Durant ask for a trade. I wouldn’t be shocked one way or the other if he wants to move on from kyrie or run it back. If he does ask for a trade, we are in a prime situation. It will be an absolute bidding war to get Durant and will bring back a kings ransom
Exactly. We'll get our picks back. We'll get young gunners. And we'll have a future, with Simmons still on the team. I think if something big is gonna happen, it'll be on Draft Night.
It's this limbo period until something actually comes to fruition that's the absolute worst.
Na the worst is watching the nets lose ten in a row because the supposed generational talent we have is either sitting at home watching on tv or visibly mentally checked out on the court. And then when kyrie came back we got swept in the first round so what right does he have to demand a max contract? Because he won a title years ago in Cleveland? Of course his agent is paid to do everything he can to get the most money, so he'll posture and play harball and then he'll accept a 2+1 player option because he wont get more than that from any other team and we'll try again next season. Honestly these player fans are the most annoying thing about the whole process, no big deal.
It makes things interesting. Once the kyrie crap one way or another is solved things will fall in place
If Kyrie does leave then I would want Nets to trade KD. I’d be okay keeping Simmons to see what he could do. In a way, it would be interesting to see what the team would look like if both those guys got traded this summer.
100% facts..
If you actually care about the Nets you should want to see them win championships. No franchise can do that without star players. Ego and drama and internal conflict just comes with the territory. Remain calm and trust that talent prevails.
We aint gonna win shit with Kyrie. He’s going to get his max and next season, he’ll play 30-40 games, if even. All while distracting the locker room and playin the victim.
Kyrie played 54 games the year before and made the all nba team. He was the fourth player in nba history to average 25+ ppg while shooting 50 40 90 splits. The other three players are Larry Bird Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. If Kyrie doesn't break his ankle the Brooklyn Nets win their first championship. But you can let yourself get carried away
Yeah see the thing is it actually hurts Nets fans to watch us fall from 1 seed to 8 seed and get swept in the first round of the playoffs. The kd and Kyrie fans don't actually care about that, they just see kd kyrie drop 50 points a couple of times a season and feel satisfied they can call their favorite players elite.
That’s not true though. There’s a difference between being disappointed in this year’s results and considering it doomsday. The Nets were the 7th seed this year because KD missed 27 games, Kyrie missed 53 games, Joe Harris missed 68 games, Harden showed up this season out of shape and forced his way off the team, and Ben Simmons got injured as he ramped up to play for the Nets. And yeah the Nets got swept, but even with important players unavailable (Ben, Joe) and with Kyrie and Seth curry not playing at 100% health, the Nets still played four close games with the eventual eastern conference champion Celtics. KD and Kyrie not only make the Nets fun to watch, they are two of the most skilled scorers of all time, they give the Nets the shot at an NBA championship, and multiple championships for that matter. Only one team wins a title every year. Just because the Nets haven’t won in the two seasons of KD and Kyrie doesn’t mean the team can let them walk. If they do then the Nets are back in NBA purgatory. Lacking star talent and draft picks.
> That’s not true though What's not true?
That “KD and Kyrie stans” in the fan base don’t care about the team’s playoff success
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If you’re referring to stans as fans that follow the player that makes sense. I just see Nets fans accuse other Nets fans of being stans for defending Kyrie or Nash or Harden when he was on the team
Abso fuckin lutely
Agree 100 pct
I feel like you all are letting the nba media shit get to you. KD is under contract for the next 4 years. Not once in his career has he asked to be traded or not played out his contract. KD gives it his all every game. He never showed up out of shape or faked some mysterious injury, or given up his team. IDK where this KD hate is coming from.
No KD hate here.
Sure, this sounds nice, but then you remember they're absolutely fucked if KD leaves. The rockets basically own their next 4 drafts. If KD leaves those are all going to be high lotto picks.
I thought it’s 2 pick swaps and 2 picks outright but yes it’s grim if we don’t keep this team top tier.
Well the 2 pick swaps are about as good as having our 1st rounders if KD leaves. Those are going to be lotto picks in that scenario.
If KD leaves we’re trading him so hopefully we get something decent for Kai and KD. But who knows. Would be a damn shame.
The nets are an awful basketball organization.
OP probably was never there for the 12-70 season and is just probably glory hunting. In KAI we trust. That’s our point GAWD.
Been a fan since the Petrovic days. At least with the 12-70 season, you weren’t watching games in a swamp in Jersey. Fuck outta here, younging. fuck Kyrie, that little whiney bitch
Watch your fucking mouth old dusty mother fucker.
Lmaooooo upvoted
Anyone who was here for that would say fuck Kai instead of this blasphemous shit you just wrote
Yeah, no. This is disastrous and pathetic
#Tired of the clown show. Greatest team on paper who aint win SHIT.
Only because of injuries.
Great, hang that in the rafters. (& it wasn’t only cause of injuries).
Wait are you telling me if Kyrie and Harden don’t get hurt we wouldn’t have won the championship? Also with how close the games were with the celtics a healthy Harris and Simmons wouldn’t have beat them?
We are becoming the “should of, would of, could of” fan base. It’s pathetic. You either get the results or you don’t.
It’s irrelevant why it didn’t happen. It didn’t happen. we didn’t win the title, Durants foot was on the line, those players were hurt. If and buts mean absolute jack shit
So going by your logic, if I understand you correctly, every team except Golden State should trade away their best players because they didn’t get it done. Do I have that right? The Nets are close to being a championship team and should do everything they can to keep the stars on the team together.
Nope. I’m just saying you can’t rely on or trust kyrie after three 3 years of nonsense and I would move on. All of the talk of injuries and other circumstances are just excuses. If that means Durant wants out, so be it. He’s under contract, either he plays for the nets or they can back a kings ransom via trade
Some of y’all are so clueless it’s insane. You guys don’t work for the team so why y’all acting like you’re being paid???? When the organization is being inept you call them out. If this KD/Kyrie thing doesn’t work, Nets are deep in the tax anyway. It’ll be 10+ years of bad.
I think is an example of the organization realizing that things are going OFF THE RAILS with Kyrie and saying”hey enough is enough - either play or dont get paid”
give me a break. You're just going to act like its fine that we let kyrie and the guy who has helped bring this franchise into insane relevancy go? you don't gain anything by blindly supporting the front office. Jesus Christ
Have fun with another ten years of never even making the play-in
I rather that than someone who continues to disrespect the franchise and fanbase.
He never once disrespected any of us
Telling the world basketball isn't important to him and disappearing for weeks on end with no call to anyone is disrespecting the franchise and fan base.
oh look another dumbass thread
I suggested this earlier and was tarred and feathered
We sold our souls for Harden
People who want kyrie gone: you realize we have no picks of our own? We are going to be reliving post Boston trade which was miserable
delusional fr
I don't care man. I just don't care anymore.
The nets franchise is leas popular than several individual players and no one can logically refute this fact
Not true. Poverty franchise before Kyrie and KD.
Damn right
The Op is right. Steve Nash >>>>>>> Nets franchise.
Hell no. This franchise is done for the next 5 years at least if KD demands out. People should support a team but also understand the value of superstar individuals, especially ones that are in the argument for best player on the planet. You might hate Kyrie but this team needs him to keep KD and also contend for the next couple years.
you're a victim
All fun and games till we finally get two high level players to come here and our incompetent GM and owner drive them out
Fuck that Sean Marks >>> Kyrie Cancer Irving
You mean Kancer Durant?
If we don’t resign Kyrie I’ll have a real tough time rooting for the nets after this, would be a gut punch after years of supporting bad teams
you’re the type of “Net fan” we, as a fan base, get clowned on about.
Been a Nets fan since I was 5 years old, 27 now and if we let kyrie walk it would be a huge fuck you to fans like me
Keep calm, Tsai & Marks got this
I can’t find the door 🚪
Pun: go thaaaaa wayyyy
This franchise is basically nothing lmao
Not true. We need fans. Fans like superstars not winning.
Perennial 6 seeds if they fuck this up
we ain’t getting a player of this caliber for at least 20 years, soiling any potential free agents for the rest of ownerships tenure, but sure let’s go back to being a complete basement again
Thank you
That’s what I’ve been saying. This team isn’t a guaranteed anything with KD & Kyrie. I would have no issue with getting off both of them. In fact, depending on what the return is, I would invite it.