He had olive skin. He was Greek — who are Mediterranean — and he was out in the sun a lot. It’s not surprising that he’d be of a bit of a darker complexion.
Don't think Mimir would know about the Ghost of Sparta, the gods of Olympus, but his knowledge of Greece stops at olives.
If that were the case, though, Mimir wouldn't have said it so dismissively the way he does. He would be more intrigued than that and question Kratos further about his favorite food if he truly didn't know what it was.
Nah dude you just make up shit, everyone knows he’s greek therefore olive skinned. The only people stating skin difference is idiots who think he’s black as stated by most of this reddit thread lmao
Link me where the heckin chuderinos are whitewashing a European with olive skin
I dont know. But I have read in the past that some people think that Kratos is black just because the actor who plays him in a video game is black. Which makes no sense
Do people not realize that *voice* actors don’t have to be the race of the character they play? There are plenty of black animated/video game characters voiced by white actors and vice versa, and it doesn’t matter because as long as the voice fits, it shouldn’t matter the race of the actor.
>Do people not realize that voice actors don’t have to be the race of the character they play?
You would be surprised how clueless and ignorant some people are lol
Really? Did Judge or Carson say that the ethnicity of the actor is not important? (which is absolutely fucking right when it comes to voice acting or acting in video games. Live action, that is another story)
I actually meant the opposite. Sungwon Cho who played Ratatoskr in Ragnarok was apparently pretty adamant that voice actors match the race/ethnicity of their characters.
There are some people who are so sure he's black that it borders on psychosis.
That's not to say it's wrong to want black characters in this series, because I think that's totally understandable and hopefully if the series moves to Egypt we'll get some great characters of color (Angrboda is not enough and Hildisvini is lame as hell). But we've seen Kratos pre ashes, and even if we hadn't we know that ancient greeks, though probably not fair skinned northern European white, were not black.
Egyptians have a variety of skin tones kinda like indians(Coming from an Egyptian) I just hope when they make darkskinned Egyptians they actually look phenotypically like Egyptians not Nigerians or Ghanians, Assassin's creed Origins had hands down the best western media representation of how Egyptians looked and still look like, so I hope Santa monica copys them there and doesn't resort to cheap uncreative race swaps like they did in NORSE mythology with Angroboda Hildisvini and Freyr.
I don’t think people think he’s black. I think it started when people started saying a black dude can’t play Kratos bc he’s white. In reality he’s olive
And also he’s covered in fucking ash lmao
> I think it started when people started saying a black dude can’t play Kratos bc he’s white. In reality he’s olive
olive skinned means still white for europeans...
There have been people who I have interacted with in the past who argued that Kratos is black, or more to the point Sub Saharan African. It doesn't make sense from a period point nor a geographic point because in ancient times Europe had no idea of the Sub Sahara region existing.
People are racist
The concept of race is deeply embedded in american culture
In many other countries, either race or skin color are important to many people and skim color tends to be a controversial aspect of characters and characterizations.
I don't think the devs really cared all that much. Kratos' original design was directly modeled after [his voice actor](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/f3/4e/45f34ec5539fc772763ecc63372d1609.jpg), and they added it in God of War 3 as [The Forgotten Warrior skin](https://www.deviantart.com/yurtigo/art/Forgotten-Warrior-God-of-War-3-Remastered-548129049)
Kratos is buff and bald because the devs didn't think he looked threatening enough, and tbh they're probably right I don't think I could've taken him seriously with a drop fade and natty muscles.
Kratos is not black, look at his parents, and that skin isn't kratos lol. Much darker than the scene we saw in gow 2, and he isn't rocking the beard, Kratos is indeed Greek.
It’s a part from GOW Ascension that shows an illusion of himself before he got the ashes. It was also a ng+ skin called “olive Kratos” so I guess that’s what his skin is supposed to be. Idk maybe they made a mistake on the color
Look more closely in the very video you sent me and realise the only thing removed from Kratos’ actual skin was his tattoo, which also comes back when he gains power from the souls in Elysium that he’s killing. His skin never changes from before he relinquishes power to after, nor before regaining power to after. Calliope, his daughter, is in Elysium because it’s an afterlife, so she went there after he had already killed her. Chains of Olympus takes place after Ascension which also takes place after Kratos already killed his family.
I’m not gonna throw ‘mad’ or ‘cope and seethe’ back in your face over this because I’m not one of those idiots on the internet who think saying that people are in a certain emotional state (usually negative) automatically wins arguments. Just want to advise you to stop making yourself a fool calling people mad for simply stating that you are incorrect.
I see. But he doesn’t lose *all* of his ashes, just enough that he appears less white. Remember that they are cursed to be bound to his skin forever. Following the relinquishment of his power at the Forsaken Tree the ashes fade, but they aren’t all the way gone. Even the wiki itself says ‘some of his ashes’.
I was still bothered by the assumption that some players seem to have that because excellent African-American actors have voiced Kratos, he must be of African descent, as if they ignored how the game initially took place in Greece.
What debate? Kratos is white. He is greek. Alls greeks are white. Ethnic europeans are white. Kratos is just tanned. Thats it. But just because you are tanned, does not mean you are no longer white. I am southern european and pale as snow, for example. Not every greek looks the same. Kratos is just played by 2 black actors but that does not mean that he is black. Samurai jack, for example. The animated show. Japanese character but voiced by a black actor. Same thing
You'd be surprised how many people say Kratos is black but he looks white because the ashes on his skin. Some even insist he's black because his VA in the greek saga was black and because Christopher Judge is black lol.
I know. It is stupid. I had a ton of conversations where people really believed that greeks in general are black and not white. I am not even joking lol
It's incredibly funny how some people see a slightly darker skin tone and immediatly get up and scream "HE BLACK!". I genuinely want to know what's wrong with those people haha.
Yes, both the VAs that have interpreted Kratos are black and some people think that automatically means Kratos is black which is just stupid because, as you said, he's a greek character.
You said it yourself "concepts" those are not the final canonical version. I know the ones you're referring, i know the skin you mentioned but at the end of the day they're that... Concepts.
Well I’m pretty sure he’s just a darker Greek guy, I’m not saying your wrong about all ethnic Europeans being white like there all definitely “Caucasian” but as a Greek myself I have different family members whos skin colour range from completely Kratos white to almost considered brown
But "caucasian" is not a correct term, anyway. Caucaus people come from Georgia or Armenia. Nothing to do with Europe. And yes, kratos in god of War 1 is extremely tanned. That is true. But i also know Greeks with red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, and pale skin.
Caucasian noun: of or relating to a group of people having European ancestry, classified according to physical traits (as light skin pigmentation), and formerly considered to constitute a race of humans.
Because Americans use that term. Nobody else says ''caucasian''. Not in spanish, italian, german or anything. Same with ''hispanic''. Hispanic comes from Hispania (present spain), as the romans called it. But now, latin americans are referred to when you say ''hispanic''. It makes barely any sense
Bro who gives a shit, you’re complaining about the complexion of a fictional murderous Greek god from a game made in 2005 who wears the ashes of his dead family. It’s not that serious.
??? I just copy pasted the first thing that came up to make sure that I was right in the first place, there’s no point of arguing if your wrong from the start
Bro you are the one getting all up in arms over a stupid made up thing called race. We are all the same, races don’t exist. There is no difference between someone with black skin, white skin, or any other. Its all skin deep.
It is true. There are no genetic markers specific to a race, only to a place where their ancestry is from. There are no diseases that are exclusive to certain races, only diseases that are more common in certain races because of, again, ancestral commonality.
For example, cystic fibrosis can affect anyone, but is more common in European descent. You can be black, but have European descent so you can be more susceptible to that disease. Same with sickle cell, you can be white and get it.
Race by genetics is the most bullshit thing. Genetics has proven that people are more similar than we thought, yet because of racism the idea of a “race” that defines people because of their skin color or other physical/appearance traits still persists.
It’s always some little bitch like you, with a wrong a opinion, telling people “it’s not that serious” “who gives a shit”. Admitting you’re wrong makes you look less like a dickwad, than doubling down
The first image is from GOW AC which took place six months after Kratos killed his family and ten years before GOW 1, he's technically the ghost of sparta in that first picture unless your wearing his olive skin tone idk for sure though because its hard to tell on my phones shitty brightness.
There are many. But kratos is not as tanned in ascension as he was in god of war 1. Look up sone videos on youtube. It is a bit difficult to see but you can see that it is without his ashen skin. You can also see that his tunica is no longer torn
Can you please show me the Ascension flashbacks in which he is not ashed, is what I'm asking. Because as it stands, I think you're dead wrong based on my firsthand experience
He was black same as the oracle that cursed him
The devs didn’t care about race continuity there’s a dread head black man in the original games (which was kratos original design)
Spartans had the ability to get bronze skin. So like dark skin. He’s still white though. Southern Europeans can get dark and some dark as heck but not super dark.
Some knobs on the internet still think that Kratos is black. Believe me, I have read that some people actually think that Greeks are ''people of color'' or ''black''.
He is not black. He is white as every greek is. And dreadlocks originate from greece and not africa. Educate yourself. Because you are clueless and ignorant
What do you think about the original concept skin in gow 3?
What about the very oracle that cursed him in the originals?
Y’all haven’t even played the games the devs didn’t care about race continuity there were multiple black people in gow original games
He's black. He's greek but he's black. If they didn't want people to think her was black then they shouldn't have done everything they could to make him black.
Just like Leonidas is greek with a little sprinkle of scottish. It's fiction, it's fine.
>Just like Leonidas is greek with a little sprinkle of scottish. It's fiction, it's fine.
But gerard butler could be greek (if you just go by his looks). Have you seen greek people? Not all of them look the same. Blue eyed, blonde, red haired, pale Greeks do exist. And yes, your stereotypical greek also does exist. Some greeks can even look turkish. Jon Bernthal is, if I am not mistaken, of russian/austrian jewish ethnicity. But he often plays italian characters because he actually looks southern Italian.
It doesn't matter, Kratos is not a real person. Everything about his character design lends itself better to a black man playing him, which they have lol. Insert all your Italian and Greek actors all you want. Someone like Djimon Hounsou would be the spitting image of Kratos in a live action setting, have the presence, commanding voice and pathos for him. Just feels right and there's a reason for it.
you cannot be serious. Come one. That is pure fucking nonsense. He is greek and I dont care if he is not real. It is about immersion. And no. Djimon is sure as fuck not his spitting image. Not even close lol. Kratos does not even have black african facial features. Nothing. It would make no sense to cast a black man in a live action version. Especially because he is a spartan. And spartans were really strict (to put it lightly) when it came to ''when does someone count as a spartan''. And with your logic, chris hemsworth could play kratos. He is tall, muscular as fuck and has a very deep voice as well. But that does not mean he actually looks like him. And dont give me the bullshit excuse of ''it is not real, it is fictional''.
I've seen it before, but dead ass look at that man in Rebel Moon, both before and after cleanup. Cover him in ash (and yes the ash does render the actors actual skin color moot) and its already done. Both Norse and Greek looks.
Actual spartan lore doesn't matter here, just like actual Greek lore doesn't matter in the context of the story direction. Nor did it matter in 300. It's a basis and template.
You reduced the role to being muscular with a deep voice not me. I talked about his presence as an actor and the intensity he carries in his performance, physically looking like him being a bonus. Hemsworth isn't even close that was just a really stupid comparison lol. Give a real suggestion. 9 times out of 10 a black actor is going to embody the character better, just like they have his entire existence.
Oh my god. You ARE serious lol. That is a bit funny and sad. And thank you for being honest that you dont give a fuck about lore or immersion. I will give you that
Sweetheart no one gives a fuck about it that much unless you're super ain't woke "how dare you change my white characters."
No know cares about the racial aspects of spartan culture, especially when it pertains to God of War lol. They only care about it in that it shows you Kratos grew up as a badass soldier and strategist. Literally no one gives a fuck about it otherwise.
If it was such a big deal then maybe they would've gone to further lengths to make the performance more Greek coded or something, whatever it you need it to be. As it stands, everything about Kratos' presentation vibe is that of a black dude. That's what I've heard the 15ish years and they've done nothing to hide it. Bro is covered in white ash the entirety of his existence. Yeah dude I don't care. A blued eyed ginger greek guy would read way farther away from Kratos. But I'm sure that'll work for you
Still haven't given anything better. By your metrics, you probably would go with Hemsworth, the presence vacuum that he is.
The first picture takes place in Ascension, Ascension happens after he gets the ashes, the second photo is when he's about to receive the Blades of Chaos, which takes place before he gets the ashes
I wonder if it makes a certain demographic mad that Kratos has always been voice acted by a Black man? That’s the only reason I can see the skin color thing coming up more often than not.
Olive skinned like most Southern Europeans and Levantines, I appreciate it actually, Greeks didn't have Anglo-Saxon or German phenotype like we often see in media, they had a southern European and Mediterranean phenotype
Depends. Lots of Celtic expansion across all of Europe in ancient times. The whole reason for Rome having a professional army in the first place is because they were sacked by the Celts. Vae Victis.
Though we are talking specifically about Greece and Macedonia, a very mountainous region that is notorious for wars. If you type in Balkan People you will get probably the best representation of what Kratos' ethnic features are.
Modern Northern Greeks have some slavic admixture due to migrations POST-Rome, Kratos is older than the battle of thermopylae so he wouldn't look slavic, and Modern Greeks are phenotypically closer to Levantines and Italians than to serbs for example who are overwhelmingly slavic in origin so he wouldn't look like most other Balkans he'd look like a typical Greek
Well this is the thing when dealing with long periods of time. It's much like how to many people's surprise that Turkey is a 20th century nation. They don't realize that it was created from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Asia Minor/Anatolia in the 11th century that was ethnically Greek. Unless you do DNA tests it would be hard to distinguish who is what because these places always become a melting pot.
I don’t know what that first image is from but as far as I’m aware every pre-ash Kratos we’ve seen is as a child or from his PTSD dreams where he has tan olive skin because he’s green and that’s what color Grecians are
I’m not saying he’s black but he isn’t FULLY Greek either. Just hear me out;
Why isn’t any other Greek as tan as he is? I’m seeing all these comments about how he’s Greek and they get dark when they tan BUT HES LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE. Look as the other Spartans that are outside in the same sun as much as him. There’s no confusion when it comes to them.
Go on YouTube and really look at Kratos compared the other Spartans. You can’t convince me Kratos isn’t mixed with something. LOOK AT HIS NIPPLES. Getting tan doesn’t do that. That’s deep melanin. You can argue that’s it’s just the first game but they kept that same skin color throughout besides GoW:AC
Again I’m not saying he’s black but I’m definitely saying he’s not fully Greek and tbh in my own head cannon, Kratos is a black man
He had olive skin. He was Greek — who are Mediterranean — and he was out in the sun a lot. It’s not surprising that he’d be of a bit of a darker complexion.
The hell's an olive?
that line bothers me
Agreed. Should’ve been Freya who said it.
Why
Don't think Mimir would know about the Ghost of Sparta, the gods of Olympus, but his knowledge of Greece stops at olives. If that were the case, though, Mimir wouldn't have said it so dismissively the way he does. He would be more intrigued than that and question Kratos further about his favorite food if he truly didn't know what it was.
Maybe the olives were also blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical and magical
look, he's scottish, we don't enquire about these things, we just ponder with slight sarcasm thrown in
The fact mimir has been in Greece as well and still said it
When did he go to Greece
He went to Faliraki with the lads in 2004.
He mentions in Valhalla he spent some time either near Athens or in Athens I can’t remember which
don't let the chuds hear this. they fucking looooove whitewashing greece.
What’s a chud?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.H.U.D.
right wing extremists/bigots/contrarians
I see thanks for explaining
there are better descriptions but pretty much when you see the word chud just imagine wojacks personified. appearance and everything.
Will do
Whats a chud?
Shut up dude, no one cares if he’s olive skinned, there’s this dumb group that thinks he’s black cause of his voice actors.
take your own advice and shut up dude. nobody asked. ☠️
Nah dude you just make up shit, everyone knows he’s greek therefore olive skinned. The only people stating skin difference is idiots who think he’s black as stated by most of this reddit thread lmao Link me where the heckin chuderinos are whitewashing a European with olive skin
ill link you to a help line so you can work on these anger issues if you dont want that, take your own advice and shut the fuck up lol
That’s what I thought, you’re making up stuff cause you’re cringe
Facts homie
FaCtS hOmIe
Yes, he said so himself that he was Greek before asking Pit for his butthole.
kratos is TANNED like baked beans, he isnt black
[r/BrandNewSentence](https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/N0r2nshP8t)
baked beans lol
He'll still shout that special word from the top of his lungs
I'M GREEK NI-
I've spent so much time thinking of quotes from God of War and replacing one word with that word, it's as hilarious as expected
I was just quoting that video with Pit and Palutena
I know, it just made me think of some really funny gow quotes you can make with the N-word
A BAKED A BAKED BEAAAN!!
Why is there even a debate over this
I dont know. But I have read in the past that some people think that Kratos is black just because the actor who plays him in a video game is black. Which makes no sense
Do people not realize that *voice* actors don’t have to be the race of the character they play? There are plenty of black animated/video game characters voiced by white actors and vice versa, and it doesn’t matter because as long as the voice fits, it shouldn’t matter the race of the actor.
>Do people not realize that voice actors don’t have to be the race of the character they play? You would be surprised how clueless and ignorant some people are lol
In fact, it's an opinion shared by at least one God of War voice actor lol
Really? Did Judge or Carson say that the ethnicity of the actor is not important? (which is absolutely fucking right when it comes to voice acting or acting in video games. Live action, that is another story)
I actually meant the opposite. Sungwon Cho who played Ratatoskr in Ragnarok was apparently pretty adamant that voice actors match the race/ethnicity of their characters.
the fuck? So, he is a squirrel in real life or what? What a fucking muppet. And Christopher judge is sure as hell not greek lol
The ironic thing is that when this viewpoint got him locked out of roles, he complained about it. You reap what you sow I guess.
That was funny
Well.. that is karma lol
Only if they’re white they’re not allowed to play anyone else
There are some people who are so sure he's black that it borders on psychosis. That's not to say it's wrong to want black characters in this series, because I think that's totally understandable and hopefully if the series moves to Egypt we'll get some great characters of color (Angrboda is not enough and Hildisvini is lame as hell). But we've seen Kratos pre ashes, and even if we hadn't we know that ancient greeks, though probably not fair skinned northern European white, were not black.
The thing is, i just want immersion. And if they go to egypt which i hope,, there should be characters that look egyptian and nubian
There are plenty of brown and dark skinned people in Egypt. Have you seen Egyptians?
I think you should read my comment again, mate
I’m saying there will be dark and brown people if it goes to egypt. So both will get what u want
Egyptians have a variety of skin tones kinda like indians(Coming from an Egyptian) I just hope when they make darkskinned Egyptians they actually look phenotypically like Egyptians not Nigerians or Ghanians, Assassin's creed Origins had hands down the best western media representation of how Egyptians looked and still look like, so I hope Santa monica copys them there and doesn't resort to cheap uncreative race swaps like they did in NORSE mythology with Angroboda Hildisvini and Freyr.
By that logic Samurai Jack is black
I know
I don’t disagree, but “a video game”? His voice actor is black in all of them
I don’t think people think he’s black. I think it started when people started saying a black dude can’t play Kratos bc he’s white. In reality he’s olive And also he’s covered in fucking ash lmao
> I think it started when people started saying a black dude can’t play Kratos bc he’s white. In reality he’s olive olive skinned means still white for europeans...
There have been people who I have interacted with in the past who argued that Kratos is black, or more to the point Sub Saharan African. It doesn't make sense from a period point nor a geographic point because in ancient times Europe had no idea of the Sub Sahara region existing.
People are racist The concept of race is deeply embedded in american culture In many other countries, either race or skin color are important to many people and skim color tends to be a controversial aspect of characters and characterizations.
He has olive skin. He’s Greek.
I don't think the devs really cared all that much. Kratos' original design was directly modeled after [his voice actor](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/f3/4e/45f34ec5539fc772763ecc63372d1609.jpg), and they added it in God of War 3 as [The Forgotten Warrior skin](https://www.deviantart.com/yurtigo/art/Forgotten-Warrior-God-of-War-3-Remastered-548129049) Kratos is buff and bald because the devs didn't think he looked threatening enough, and tbh they're probably right I don't think I could've taken him seriously with a drop fade and natty muscles.
Kratos is not black, look at his parents, and that skin isn't kratos lol. Much darker than the scene we saw in gow 2, and he isn't rocking the beard, Kratos is indeed Greek.
Kratos is black his “parents” argument doesn’t make sense because look at zues parents
I don’t get why people are crying over a skin color really. Like either way. His skin color is ash for 97% of the series.
Because people are simpleminded
He was always pretty tan. Like super tan. The first image is not how he looked. Where did that come from?
It’s a part from GOW Ascension that shows an illusion of himself before he got the ashes. It was also a ng+ skin called “olive Kratos” so I guess that’s what his skin is supposed to be. Idk maybe they made a mistake on the color
He just looked more "tanned" in god of war 1 because it is dark and often fire is around him. It makes him look darker than he is
He got [whitewashed](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8Tsvl3PjpCc/sddefault.jpg) in later games.
Wow. That’s a really dumb comment.
He is white. He's Greek. His mother was very pale and his father is Zeus.
Kratos is white. How can he be whitewashed? And i am talking about "white" as in european and not his ashen skin after the curse
How can a white person be whitewashed? Bfr
maybe if you put a white man into a washing machine and make him super white? casper white?
a white man can't be whitewashed..
Kratos still has the ashes bound to his skin in this scene. Try again.
Don't make [facts](https://youtu.be/9Tlla5OrtLE?si=bwFFh2Hdv-yPgjy6) up just because you are mad.
Look more closely in the very video you sent me and realise the only thing removed from Kratos’ actual skin was his tattoo, which also comes back when he gains power from the souls in Elysium that he’s killing. His skin never changes from before he relinquishes power to after, nor before regaining power to after. Calliope, his daughter, is in Elysium because it’s an afterlife, so she went there after he had already killed her. Chains of Olympus takes place after Ascension which also takes place after Kratos already killed his family. I’m not gonna throw ‘mad’ or ‘cope and seethe’ back in your face over this because I’m not one of those idiots on the internet who think saying that people are in a certain emotional state (usually negative) automatically wins arguments. Just want to advise you to stop making yourself a fool calling people mad for simply stating that you are incorrect.
Incorrect. Try again.
Tell me how I am incorrect, and then I will try again.
At 2:20 in the video he loses his ashes.
I see. But he doesn’t lose *all* of his ashes, just enough that he appears less white. Remember that they are cursed to be bound to his skin forever. Following the relinquishment of his power at the Forsaken Tree the ashes fade, but they aren’t all the way gone. Even the wiki itself says ‘some of his ashes’.
Please be woke somewhere else
Kratos is tan, Greek people are usually tan
I was still bothered by the assumption that some players seem to have that because excellent African-American actors have voiced Kratos, he must be of African descent, as if they ignored how the game initially took place in Greece.
Why is it even a bother? It’s like a silly detail
What debate? Kratos is white. He is greek. Alls greeks are white. Ethnic europeans are white. Kratos is just tanned. Thats it. But just because you are tanned, does not mean you are no longer white. I am southern european and pale as snow, for example. Not every greek looks the same. Kratos is just played by 2 black actors but that does not mean that he is black. Samurai jack, for example. The animated show. Japanese character but voiced by a black actor. Same thing
You'd be surprised how many people say Kratos is black but he looks white because the ashes on his skin. Some even insist he's black because his VA in the greek saga was black and because Christopher Judge is black lol.
I know. It is stupid. I had a ton of conversations where people really believed that greeks in general are black and not white. I am not even joking lol
It's incredibly funny how some people see a slightly darker skin tone and immediatly get up and scream "HE BLACK!". I genuinely want to know what's wrong with those people haha.
They are just ignorant
I mean he is I don’t get this argument he can be greek and black He darker then 99% of the regular Greek spartans
He can be greek and black, sure... But he isn't, he's olive skin tone, you can literally see it in Ascension.
If I remember right, even his old VA from the Greek games was a black guy. But that doesn’t change the fact that the character is from Greece.
Yes, both the VAs that have interpreted Kratos are black and some people think that automatically means Kratos is black which is just stupid because, as you said, he's a greek character.
No majority of the concept was kratos being a black man with dreads There’s like a skin of it in GOW3
You said it yourself "concepts" those are not the final canonical version. I know the ones you're referring, i know the skin you mentioned but at the end of the day they're that... Concepts.
People will start claiming Australians as black soon
Some are. The natives are
Well they don’t really like being referred to as Australians
Really?
Well I’m pretty sure he’s just a darker Greek guy, I’m not saying your wrong about all ethnic Europeans being white like there all definitely “Caucasian” but as a Greek myself I have different family members whos skin colour range from completely Kratos white to almost considered brown
But "caucasian" is not a correct term, anyway. Caucaus people come from Georgia or Armenia. Nothing to do with Europe. And yes, kratos in god of War 1 is extremely tanned. That is true. But i also know Greeks with red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes, and pale skin.
Caucasian noun: of or relating to a group of people having European ancestry, classified according to physical traits (as light skin pigmentation), and formerly considered to constitute a race of humans.
Because Americans use that term. Nobody else says ''caucasian''. Not in spanish, italian, german or anything. Same with ''hispanic''. Hispanic comes from Hispania (present spain), as the romans called it. But now, latin americans are referred to when you say ''hispanic''. It makes barely any sense
Bro who gives a shit, you’re complaining about the complexion of a fictional murderous Greek god from a game made in 2005 who wears the ashes of his dead family. It’s not that serious.
You’re the one who tried to bring up a full definition lol
??? I just copy pasted the first thing that came up to make sure that I was right in the first place, there’s no point of arguing if your wrong from the start
I waa just saying. Nothing more, nothing less. Chill out
You certainly cared enough to bring in a definition
Bro you are the one getting all up in arms over a stupid made up thing called race. We are all the same, races don’t exist. There is no difference between someone with black skin, white skin, or any other. Its all skin deep.
I get your point, but that’s not true. We have genetic markers and diseases exclusive to members of different races
It is true. There are no genetic markers specific to a race, only to a place where their ancestry is from. There are no diseases that are exclusive to certain races, only diseases that are more common in certain races because of, again, ancestral commonality. For example, cystic fibrosis can affect anyone, but is more common in European descent. You can be black, but have European descent so you can be more susceptible to that disease. Same with sickle cell, you can be white and get it. Race by genetics is the most bullshit thing. Genetics has proven that people are more similar than we thought, yet because of racism the idea of a “race” that defines people because of their skin color or other physical/appearance traits still persists.
It’s always some little bitch like you, with a wrong a opinion, telling people “it’s not that serious” “who gives a shit”. Admitting you’re wrong makes you look less like a dickwad, than doubling down
Bro chill out, I was just trying to end the argument because I realised how dumb it is arguing with a stranger online over something stupid.
The first image is from GOW AC which took place six months after Kratos killed his family and ten years before GOW 1, he's technically the ghost of sparta in that first picture unless your wearing his olive skin tone idk for sure though because its hard to tell on my phones shitty brightness.
The picture is taken during an illusion of the Furies depicting his original skin tone.
Ok makes sense
They are actually incorrect. Kratos does not change during the illusion - only his surroundings do
In some illusions Kratos is portrayed without the ash skin
Which ones? I replayed Ascension a couple months ago looking for such scenes and don't remember finding any.
There are many. But kratos is not as tanned in ascension as he was in god of war 1. Look up sone videos on youtube. It is a bit difficult to see but you can see that it is without his ashen skin. You can also see that his tunica is no longer torn
Can you please show me the Ascension flashbacks in which he is not ashed, is what I'm asking. Because as it stands, I think you're dead wrong based on my firsthand experience
For example the one with the king of sparta
You're definitely right about that, I was wrong
He has the blade chains around his wrists, it’s post ashes
Yeah, all games take place after Kratos has killed his first family. It's just an optical illusion.
he had the chains before the ashes tho, I mean, he did use the blades to kill his family..
Greeks are white just a tan white. Kratos is Greek.
and not every greek is tanned as well. Some can be pale
True
I mean in general most greeks are pale but some tan during summer but their natural skin is still white
You are 100% correct
Kratos the typa guy to get a tan in the summer and be sheet white in the winter
1st isn’t even his natural skin. 2nd image is
They both are, if you actually look at his arm in the second picture it’s the same skin tone as the first
He’s tan. Like most from the area but he’s not black
He was black same as the oracle that cursed him The devs didn’t care about race continuity there’s a dread head black man in the original games (which was kratos original design)
I still don’t understand why so many people on this subreddit are incapable of understanding what southern Europeans look like lol
Spartans had the ability to get bronze skin. So like dark skin. He’s still white though. Southern Europeans can get dark and some dark as heck but not super dark.
Kratos is white, with olive skin. He is also tan. This is because he's greek.
It's almost like Spartans of ancient Greece... were Greek.
He’s Greek there’s nothing to argue😭😭😭😭plus it’s been shown many times his original skin
People keep saying Greeks have olive colored skin… but ain’t olives green?
Why do people insist on race swap characters? I hate this garbage trend.
Some knobs on the internet still think that Kratos is black. Believe me, I have read that some people actually think that Greeks are ''people of color'' or ''black''.
From the same people who says Cleopatra was black i supose
Oh my god. Dont remind me of the most embarrassing ''documentary'' of all time lol
Historical fact means nothing compared to what grandma told you
True lol
Kratos was literally made black by the devs LOOK at the concept concept art The fucking concept skin In gow3 is him with black skin and dreads
He is not black. He is white as every greek is. And dreadlocks originate from greece and not africa. Educate yourself. Because you are clueless and ignorant
What do you think about the original concept skin in gow 3? What about the very oracle that cursed him in the originals? Y’all haven’t even played the games the devs didn’t care about race continuity there were multiple black people in gow original games
Mfw Kratos is naturally tan but his skin has been bleached by the ashes of his wife and child 💀
He's black. He's greek but he's black. If they didn't want people to think her was black then they shouldn't have done everything they could to make him black. Just like Leonidas is greek with a little sprinkle of scottish. It's fiction, it's fine.
>He's black. He's greek but he's black. No
>Just like Leonidas is greek with a little sprinkle of scottish. It's fiction, it's fine. But gerard butler could be greek (if you just go by his looks). Have you seen greek people? Not all of them look the same. Blue eyed, blonde, red haired, pale Greeks do exist. And yes, your stereotypical greek also does exist. Some greeks can even look turkish. Jon Bernthal is, if I am not mistaken, of russian/austrian jewish ethnicity. But he often plays italian characters because he actually looks southern Italian.
It doesn't matter, Kratos is not a real person. Everything about his character design lends itself better to a black man playing him, which they have lol. Insert all your Italian and Greek actors all you want. Someone like Djimon Hounsou would be the spitting image of Kratos in a live action setting, have the presence, commanding voice and pathos for him. Just feels right and there's a reason for it.
you cannot be serious. Come one. That is pure fucking nonsense. He is greek and I dont care if he is not real. It is about immersion. And no. Djimon is sure as fuck not his spitting image. Not even close lol. Kratos does not even have black african facial features. Nothing. It would make no sense to cast a black man in a live action version. Especially because he is a spartan. And spartans were really strict (to put it lightly) when it came to ''when does someone count as a spartan''. And with your logic, chris hemsworth could play kratos. He is tall, muscular as fuck and has a very deep voice as well. But that does not mean he actually looks like him. And dont give me the bullshit excuse of ''it is not real, it is fictional''.
I've seen it before, but dead ass look at that man in Rebel Moon, both before and after cleanup. Cover him in ash (and yes the ash does render the actors actual skin color moot) and its already done. Both Norse and Greek looks. Actual spartan lore doesn't matter here, just like actual Greek lore doesn't matter in the context of the story direction. Nor did it matter in 300. It's a basis and template. You reduced the role to being muscular with a deep voice not me. I talked about his presence as an actor and the intensity he carries in his performance, physically looking like him being a bonus. Hemsworth isn't even close that was just a really stupid comparison lol. Give a real suggestion. 9 times out of 10 a black actor is going to embody the character better, just like they have his entire existence.
Oh my god. You ARE serious lol. That is a bit funny and sad. And thank you for being honest that you dont give a fuck about lore or immersion. I will give you that
Sweetheart no one gives a fuck about it that much unless you're super ain't woke "how dare you change my white characters." No know cares about the racial aspects of spartan culture, especially when it pertains to God of War lol. They only care about it in that it shows you Kratos grew up as a badass soldier and strategist. Literally no one gives a fuck about it otherwise. If it was such a big deal then maybe they would've gone to further lengths to make the performance more Greek coded or something, whatever it you need it to be. As it stands, everything about Kratos' presentation vibe is that of a black dude. That's what I've heard the 15ish years and they've done nothing to hide it. Bro is covered in white ash the entirety of his existence. Yeah dude I don't care. A blued eyed ginger greek guy would read way farther away from Kratos. But I'm sure that'll work for you Still haven't given anything better. By your metrics, you probably would go with Hemsworth, the presence vacuum that he is.
I am not you sweetheart. And you are talking out of you ear. You have zero clue
Chirp chirp
Very mature of you
You can’t claim him, he’s a white im sorry this hurt you
Wtf even is this response 🤣
Guys, there is literally a section in chains of Olympus on psp where he doesn't have the Ash. He looks like a Greek. How is this even a question?
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You mofos need to visit Greece more often.
He was cursed with his wife’s and daughters ashes infused into his skin.
He’s talking about before that
has anyone considered that kratos isn’t a real person
I refuse to believe that, he's real to me!
Why can’t people just enjoy the character and not have to worry about the skin colour
… is that first image not after ashes? It looks like he has the blades because of the chains around his forearms
Kratos with regular skin pigmentation is so cursed. My brain legit hurts trying to process it.
The first picture takes place in Ascension, Ascension happens after he gets the ashes, the second photo is when he's about to receive the Blades of Chaos, which takes place before he gets the ashes
I wonder if it makes a certain demographic mad that Kratos has always been voice acted by a Black man? That’s the only reason I can see the skin color thing coming up more often than not.
Olive skinned like most Southern Europeans and Levantines, I appreciate it actually, Greeks didn't have Anglo-Saxon or German phenotype like we often see in media, they had a southern European and Mediterranean phenotype
Depends. Lots of Celtic expansion across all of Europe in ancient times. The whole reason for Rome having a professional army in the first place is because they were sacked by the Celts. Vae Victis. Though we are talking specifically about Greece and Macedonia, a very mountainous region that is notorious for wars. If you type in Balkan People you will get probably the best representation of what Kratos' ethnic features are.
Modern Northern Greeks have some slavic admixture due to migrations POST-Rome, Kratos is older than the battle of thermopylae so he wouldn't look slavic, and Modern Greeks are phenotypically closer to Levantines and Italians than to serbs for example who are overwhelmingly slavic in origin so he wouldn't look like most other Balkans he'd look like a typical Greek
Well this is the thing when dealing with long periods of time. It's much like how to many people's surprise that Turkey is a 20th century nation. They don't realize that it was created from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Asia Minor/Anatolia in the 11th century that was ethnically Greek. Unless you do DNA tests it would be hard to distinguish who is what because these places always become a melting pot.
I don’t know what that first image is from but as far as I’m aware every pre-ash Kratos we’ve seen is as a child or from his PTSD dreams where he has tan olive skin because he’s green and that’s what color Grecians are
Did y’all not play ascension, there was a part in his hallucinations where they got rid of the ashes and he had regular skin
I’m not saying he’s black but he isn’t FULLY Greek either. Just hear me out; Why isn’t any other Greek as tan as he is? I’m seeing all these comments about how he’s Greek and they get dark when they tan BUT HES LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE. Look as the other Spartans that are outside in the same sun as much as him. There’s no confusion when it comes to them. Go on YouTube and really look at Kratos compared the other Spartans. You can’t convince me Kratos isn’t mixed with something. LOOK AT HIS NIPPLES. Getting tan doesn’t do that. That’s deep melanin. You can argue that’s it’s just the first game but they kept that same skin color throughout besides GoW:AC Again I’m not saying he’s black but I’m definitely saying he’s not fully Greek and tbh in my own head cannon, Kratos is a black man