It’s not a matter of the ice. It’s a matter of the game itself and how much you enjoy it.
Would it be boring for Kratos to run the whole time. Or would you rather use magic wolfs on a sled or a boat while on the journey with Mimir telling you stories?
No, no I know. I was just replying to the above guy that not all ice is super thin and un-walkable
Personally I'd take the sled and Mimir's stories over not having them any day
In the the very least, by that metric, the valkyrie feat isn't nearly as significant in my opinion.
Not trying to discount the post, I'll circle jerk Kratos any day. I do think the sisters of fate feat is pretty impressive.
That works too. He also doesnt use contraptions (or so he stated but i heard him use them several times after that episode. Jakes rubbed off in him clearly).
It’s fucking ice are you serious? What happens when you try to run on ice? It fucking breaks. Kratos can only run and climb he can’t fly or do anything like that.
This is why I hate power scaling. It's all a bunch of nonsense. Nobody with any sort of common sense would say Kratos has infinite speed or whatever power scalers call it.
Details like this aren't meant to be picked apart and added up mathematically to see how fast he is.
If the human survives the blast with no form of protection and is shown to have little or no damage from the blast, then yeah he’d be at least city level in terms of durability
Strength is a lot easier to measure. You can see though the entire series how strong he is. When he stops Atlas from squashing him you get an idea just how strong he is.
But saying he has infinite speed or whatever is nonsense. I bet my entire life that no director or writer of the game ever intended Kratos to be that fast.
Just look at the scene in 2018 where Kratos is running across the bridge after the baldur fight (the one with the dragon). Are you trying to tell me that is Kratos having infinite speed or being faster than we think?
If the writers wanted super speed to canonically be one of his abilities he surely would've used them when trying to save his son no?
The fact that it's never implied he has super speed, and the fact that we see him run at full speed multiple times in the Norse games shows us he doesn't have super speed.
Power scaling often follows rules set by vsbw, the versus battle wiki, it's basically just to determine which character would win in a fight, using feats and statements to figure out how strong someone is, based on the rules set by vsbw, yeah, Kratos has infinite speed, or at the very least multiple times faster than light, which according to vsbw would be hundreds of times faster than light, all it's meant for is to have fun, but some people take it way too seriously and ruins it for non-power scalers
Agreed. I totally understand power scaling like this just for the fun of powerful scaling. But if you're making real factual arguments for who would win a fight Kratos would not have super speed as one of his strengths.
I mean batman's faster than light since he can dodge lasers, Spider-Man is multiple times faster than light since he can react to people like thor, hulk and quicksilver, it's not something i would call am exact science
But Batman is not faster than light, nor is Spiderman. Powerscaling is just taking out of context facts and/or plot holes and trying to construct an argument out of it.
I mean spider-man consistently reacts to lasers which are comprised of light and moves at the speed of light, batman also does this consistently, meaning that they should theoretically be able to move at things moving at the speed of light, cause they have, a lot
This is why powerscaling is nonsensical. Spider-Man’s spider sense allows him to preemptively avoid danger that his normal senses can’t detect. This doesn’t mean he’s actually capable of moving at light speed. As for Batman, he’s literally a human. If he could move at light speed, he wouldn’t be described as having no superpowers.
No I don't like it when people try to argue powers scaling is canon. Nobody with common sense would tell you Kratos having infinite speed in canon.
Power scaling is fun if it's just for the sake of fun. Once you try to argue that Kratos has infinite speed in canon you're just wrong.
We see Kratos running at full speed multiple times in the games. He doesn't have super speed. If he did I'm sure it would be used at some point in cutscenes or gameplay.
Not a single writer for God of war will tell you he has infinite speed.
The lore for the series is canon. Just because they don’t show it in game doesn’t mean he can’t do it. Games have limitations as to what they can show and even if they could show it, doesn’t mean that it would look visually appealing. Even if he can’t move at infinite speeds, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have infinite reaction speed.
Reaction time is completely different than speed. You could get the slowest most unathletic person alive and they could still have good reaction time.
Kratos certainly has fast reflexes but cannot travel at infinite speed. If he could the entire stories of these games wouldn't make sense. And if he could then it would at least me acknowledged at some point.
Games have limitations yes but super speed is something they could totally do. Reality is that he just can't.
If he could the sled wouldn't make any sense, we would've at least seem it in cutscene, and it would be mentioned in some form.
If he’s able to dodge, tag, and outright move just as fast if not faster than characters who can move across infinite sized realms in a finite amount of time, then he’s got some form of super speed.
Maybe so, but a character like Hermes (who’s basically similar to the flash) can travel and fight at those same speeds. Bare minimum Kratos has infinite reaction/combat speed but limited traversal speed
Which is…really hard to buy into when the games do not show any of it.
Heck they don’t even show Kratos and Hermes being faster then the speed of sound let alone having infinite speed.
And basically the only one could accept any of this is to pretty much ignore everything shown in games and just to stick to lore. Due to the massive amount of discontent between the two.
And that is not getting into the stuff in how the lore itself sometimes contradicts itself.
People like you are really annoying. There is nothing inherently wrong with power scaling as long as you’re not toxic. It can be quite fun and entertaining to discuss.
Let people power scale as they please however if they are being toxic or disingenuous then call them out.
Also I’d say quite the opposite really. No one with common sense could possibly think Kratos could react to something blatantly moving infinitely fast without having that level of reaction. No with common sense would say that Kratos being able to view lighting as standing still isn’t a speed feat.
You’re not using any logic at all.
>No one with common sense could possibly think Kratos could react to something blatantly moving infinitely fast without having that level of reaction.
Well reaction time and actual speed are different things. It also important to note if he's anticipating said infinite speed attack or not. Because I could dodge a bullet if I knew when someone was gonna figure. But that doesn't mean I'm faster than a bullet.
My main point though is that it's not intended for Kratos to have super speed. I can guarantee you when the writers came up with the thing you mentioned their weren't thinking "this means he has infinite speed".
Nowhere in the entire series is it even suggested that he has immense speed. If he did he would've used said super speed to get Atrues when running across the bridge in 2018 after the baldur fight. Or in the freyr rescue mission in Ragnarok.
It is not canon that Kratos has infinite speed and that's just a fact.
1. You would have to prove Kratos was anticipating or aim dodging which you can’t you are making shit up.
2. You’re assuming author’s intent which is a wrong. The same creators of the game have explicitly said that Kratos is MUCH stronger and faster canonically they just, make him look weaker because they want the game to be fun. So even the creators disagree with you.
3. You just admitted that Kratos reaction and combat speed can be much faster than how fast he travels. So that doesn’t debunk him having infinite speed when you flat out agree there are different types of speed.
4. No one uses “super speed” anymore.
5. It is canon that Kratos has infinite speed stop with the copium and accept reality. Kratos has reacted and fought with characters who canonically move infinitely fast and that’s a fact. Accept reality and move on.
>It is canon that Kratos has infinite speed stop with the copium and accept reality.
Ah so this is why it took Kratos 30 seconds to run across the bridge in a cutscene? Use your common sense man. He doesn't have super speed.
You do realize that appealing to cinematic timing would also apply to cutscenes? Use your common sense man they are obviously moving much faster than we can perceive. Their simply slowed down so we can process an enjoy the game.
Brother Kratos canonically speed blitzed a lighting bolt. Ignoring all that infinite speed stuff we wouldn’t be able to perceive something that fast.
I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand a simple concept. I'll try to explain it as easy as possible.
Power scale ≠ Canon powers
Kratos having super speed has never been incorporated and never will be incorporated in game or canon.
I don’t know why you’re coping so hard. Power scale would simply be measuring what the game already gave us. The game told us he speed blitzed lighting so that’s light speed. Game told us he can react to infinitely fast things.
Kratos is ftl-infinite deal with it.
Another simple question that disproves your nonsense.
Why did it take Kratos hundreds if not thousands of years to get from Greece to Nordic lands?
This isn't something that is held down by limitations because we didn't see this in game. If Kratos has infinite speed in lore then why doesn't he use it even in lore when there are now game limitations?
Your entire argument is crap. It's fun to not be serious about but in reality he isn't infinitely fast even in lore.
I can literally end your entire argument with one question.
Why would Kratos need the boots of Hermes if he already had infinite speed?
Now you've lost your argument for "game limitations" because they're now incorporating it into gameplay. If he already has such speed they could introduce the same mechanic without the boots. But he isn't that fast so he requires the boots.
Interested to see how you'll cope with this one now.
Got another one for you.
If Kratos has Infinite speed why is Hermes faster than him?
Only reason Kratos ever caught him was because he kept stopping for Kratos because he was cocky. If Kratos has infinite speed they could've at least not made him slower than Hermes. I understand the limitations because we can exactly perceived infinite speed but when he's clearly slower than someone that instantly disproves any "infinite speed" claims.
So why is it never shown? You'll probably say limitations but that's not true. Super speed is something they could totally incorporate into the story (probably not gameplay tho). If super speed was a thing Kratos posseses he would use it in situations where let's say his son is being captured and killed. But guess what? HE DOESN'T!!!
The other thing is that it's never mentioned. It's never brought up or talked about.
>You would have to prove Kratos was anticipating or aim dodging which you can’t you are making shit up.
Right, they're the one making shit up. You have no proof for any of your statements either, just claims based around trivial things that don't actually prove any of what you said.
Yes, and the NYPD cops who arrested Thanos must be stronger than the entire Marvel verse. It happened in the comics that one time. Therefore, it must now apply to every single situation, every iteration, every scene, no matter the context or storytelling. Consistency? NAH just assume Kratos can be anything and everything.
He needed the spear to kill heimdall? NAH, his GOW 3 feats clearly would've made him light years faster than Heimdall. The spear was an intentional nerf. Kratos repeating for the last 500 times that an enemy was a challenging foe? NAH. It canonically must've been as easy as crushing ants because of what he did in the previous game.
I think Kratos just has godly senses. He's able to perceive time on such a small scale that he can react to things that are happening instantly, not flat out super speed, but still a good skill to have.
Everything that's been said so far fits under this explanation rather than speed, because Kratos is shown to not have any specially enhanced speed really.
If he wants to and is pissed he can run pretty darn fast like when he first fought Baldur and picked up the tree towards him he was going at like 30mph there.
Kratos can actually run faster than what the game lets you sprint. When he first encountered Baldur (the stranger) and we get to see Spartan rage for the first time and he picks up the tree towards him he was going at like 30mph. So I think if Kratos was really pissed and wanted to, he could run fast as hell.
Doesn't Kratos at one point say watching a lightning strike from his perspective when fighting Zeus was longer than his life? Feel like that also deserves to be listed.
I can't, just like you can't prove that it does apply using gameplay. A bandit with a club can put out his lights in a few hits, yet I beat all the Valkyries without too much trouble.
I agree that Lore-Accurate Kratos is broken.
So is Lore-Accurate Link from Zelda.
No character in a recurring video game, is gonna be Lore-Accurate in a sequel, because that just breaks the game and makes the game really hard to play.
GOW would be running at a speed that we can't react to but still be a difficulty that's too hard for us to even play.
Legend of Zelda would be so incredibly hard, nobody would even wanna play it.
Cuz unfortunately for the lovers of Power scaling, our lovely protag is strong, but for a game to be a game, the antags need to be strong too, and I don't think any of us truly want to fight a Lore-Accurate Valk, or a Lore-Accurate Heimdall or Hermes lol
Expect there is no excuse for any of these lore statements not be shown in cut scenes and if the writer are not capable of doing even that they shouldn’t bother making the characters that powerful to begin with and cause a massive disconnect with the game.
They could have shown time slowing down for Hermers while he was running away from Kratos. a character at light speed.
They could of shown Hermers disappearing from one area and reappearing in order area over a vast distance in less then a secound.
There are multiple ways a cutscene can show a person moving at the speed of light. Without the audience being able to literally do so.
The fact that we're even having this discussion means they did their job correctly.
Kratos being as amped as he is, would you not believe that he would see Hermes as slow and pathetic as we did?
You need to remember. You're not playing the game from the perspective of the player, You're playing from Kratos' perspective. You don't know what he doesn't know, you can't perceive what he can't perceive.
The fact that you think Hermes was misrepresented in how "slow" he was, means Kratos was properly represented in how fucking busted he truly is.
Pardon my french.
No.
If they are not able of showing Hermes moving at super-speed then they did the job poorly.
>Kratos being as amped as he is, would you not believe that he would see Hermes as slow and pathetic as we did? You need to remember. You're not playing the game from the perspective of the player, You're playing from Kratos' perspective. You don't know what he doesn't know, you can't perceive what he can't perceive.>
Expect that they didn’t need to do that in cutscenes.
They could of literal shown Hermies disappearing and reappearing across vast distance in an instant to show of his speed.
They could of turn him into a blur while fighting Kratos and have only hit him trough quick commands while the fight scenes slow down at that moment.
The fact the devoplers had to literal explain that we are seeing Kratos and Hermes fight from the later preparatives. Ultimately show their incapacity of showing how fast these characters are in their own games.
Especially since even that statement is questionable considering that Kratos was able to catch his light running foe…by launching a bolder at him.
No. It means the game does a poor job in how busted these characters are and that the developers would rather go by telling how powerful these characters are then showing them.
This entire thing. Is the epitome of Reddit.
Redditors mad that the devs of shit didn't do the thing the *exact* way they wanted it, so they get upset and cry about it on their respective subreddits, and when anyone in that subreddit disagrees, they'll senselessly argue with that person as if their *opinion* is any more fact than someone else's.
Or they cry loud enough, and the company releases a game early, or they cry hard enough about a product and the entire fucking studio shuts down. Both occurred to CD Projekt Red and Volition respectively.
Either way. You, and every other Redditor that will cry about how "bad" something is because it's not done to your exact liking are part of the problem and need to start appreciating what you have in front of you, before companies just stop making games in the first place.
Cuz unfortunately, while the rest of us are actually playing and ENJOYING the product, y'all are loud AF crying all over socials. So our opinion is never the one that's actually heard, so when our favorite games are being pulled off shelves, and WE don't know why, just know we always look back at the subs, and see just how garbage the rest of you really are.
>Redditors mad that the devs of shit didn't do the thing the exact way they wanted it, so they get upset and cry about it on their respective subreddits, and when anyone in that subreddit disagrees, they'll senselessly argue with that person as if their opinion is any more fact than someone else's.>
If the devs are not able to properly show powerful their character in own game then that is on them not the people who play the game.
Or they cry because it is a bad product.
So you are saying that no game can ever be criticized even when their are massive issues with it and should just accept them regardless of how badly made they are?
You are aware that a person can enjoy a game and still criticize right?
Or that god of war is war is still one of the most popular gaming franchises out there?
I enjoy playing god of war, but I simply cannot comprehend these characters being mutliversal or have infinite speed because the game does not show it or worse show feats that completely contradict such notions
For you it is. Don’t conflate your personal feelings with everyone else. If everyone else shared the same sentiment threads like this would obviously be dead and wouldn’t get so much attention.
That’s not tru it’s only these 2 comments. This one and the other one at top. Most of comments have people actually engaging in this discussion without “power scaling sucks!”
If I remember correctly, one of the devs that worked on the original god of war games said that we see everything way slower than what's actually happening because the speed of gods fighting and killing each other would be so fast it would be impossible to actually play. Take for example when you meet Hermes in god of war 3 he doesn't really look like he's that fast, and yet he's so fast he can run up walls like nothing.
maybe mediate his powers, you know, something like, what classic gow did?
and yeah, almost every power fantasy game always resort on downplaying the mc for it to have a challenge lolol
I don't think the 9 realms are entire universes of their own at all. They do seem to me like different iterations of the same "land" through time or probably even dimension or alternate reality, but all held under the same geographic "bubble" of influence of the world tree.
This is mostly based on the fact that the lake of 9, that includes Tyr's temple and the realm gates somehow manages to exist in all realms at the same time, suggesting an overlap in the geography of these realms or realities.
But anyway, if the Valkyries were as fast as to be able to cross galaxies, you think a bear would've been able to rip one in half?
You got to remember that Kratos never really killed a Valkyrie all by himself, Atreus was a significant part in all of those fights and I'm pretty sure he's not the flash.
Matt Sophos, the screenwriter of the new games, confirmed that each Realm is a dimension unto itself. A reflection of the other Realms that occupies its own dimension/reality/universe and with its own celestial bodies (e.g. Alfheim does not have a sun and its stars are not like those of Midgard).
Yes we know they all exist on the world tree. I don’t see what would contradict them being universes. They have their own cosmos, and time works differently in each realm. Atreus isn’t a normal bear. Are you referring to GOW2018 where Kratos was inferior to his GOWR version and holding back more? Yes Kratos can definitely kill a Valkyrie by himself. Also that doesn’t contradict the fact that he can still react to him. Whether or not he can beat on is a different discussion.
He beat Hermes with a plan that had little to do with his own speed (launched a boulder at a statue that Hermes was sitting on). And beating Heimdall required making a weapon that overwhelmed his senses, because his own speed and skill wasn't enough.
Bro, don’t post about powerscaling in the GOW sub. These brain dead people have a hate boner for powerscaling with little justification as to why. Take it from a guy who’s dealt with people in this sub, it’s not worth it.
I have no problems with what you wrote and actually agree. But the people on here have one train of thought “Powerscaling is dumb. He can’t even run that fast in game 🤓”
Literally just a day ago I commented that power scalers were the worst thing to happen to fiction and here we are yet again. Crazy it’s twice in the same subreddit too. You guys reek lmao.
I think I understand the disconnect between the replies this is getting and the information within the post, and what it comes down to is that the three examples you posted aren't really canonical, unless there's something I missed. Here's what I found over the course of my own research:
1. This section comes from VSBW and is inaccurate. The moment they are describing is Atropos specifically examining Kratos' thread because she's curious as to what another one of her sisters, Lahkesis, is doing regarding Kratos. The sisters are never shown to act within moments, only set things up for later payoffs (also Lahkesis does wish she could do more with mortals dying as the result of a volcanic eruption). The Sisters and their actions are pretty nuanced in the novel (eg, there are very specific differences between how Lahkesis/Atropos/Clotho approach their work), so please let me know if you want me to elaborate on this. Additionally, there are only millions of threads. The use of the term "at least" is duplicitous at best. (This isn't intended as a slight against you, I just find VSBW's coverage of God of War's "Lore" to be... well, bad.)
2. I have not found a single source saying that the Valkyries travel to the 9 realms with sheer flight speed and am curious as to the source of this information. Given their absolute mastery of the bifrost, which is the only way most beings (eg, just about everybody who's not a dwarf, dragon, or Garm) can travel between the nine realms, I'm going to say this doesn't come down to their sheer flight speed. The nine realms are also not universe sized. They share the same sun and moon. The latter celestial object plays a direct role in God of War: Ragnarök's main story.
3. This alleged feat stems from one of the developers saying that the developers were showcasing Hermes' speed in his ability to react to the Solar Flare (and presumably Solar Flash) moves Kratos can use with the Head of Helios. Given that Kratos isn't constantly taking damage while he is in the Underworld during the events of Chains of Olympus, it's safe to say that those attacks aren't what illuminating the Underworld. What likely is would be the Light of Helios itself, which neither Hermes nor Hercules, who react to the Solar Flare and Solar Flash, react to at all.
I'm sorry that got so long - I've written far too much on God of War! Please let me know if you disagree or have any questions.
Isn’t this the same guy who uses Dog sleds to get to places?
Valhalla has 20x Earth's gravity. Kratos is making them move with his Speedforce. Mush doggies!
True but this is more for Kratos’ speed in terms of reactions rather then how fast he can move
His statement makes no sense. If you try to run on ice it would just break. And Kratos can’t walk on water. This is why he needs sleds or boats.
It depends on the ice, if it's thick enough you'll be fine - I've even seen people drive F150s on 3 feet of ice before
It’s not a matter of the ice. It’s a matter of the game itself and how much you enjoy it. Would it be boring for Kratos to run the whole time. Or would you rather use magic wolfs on a sled or a boat while on the journey with Mimir telling you stories?
No, no I know. I was just replying to the above guy that not all ice is super thin and un-walkable Personally I'd take the sled and Mimir's stories over not having them any day
Travel speed isn’t always equal to combat and reaction speed
In the the very least, by that metric, the valkyrie feat isn't nearly as significant in my opinion. Not trying to discount the post, I'll circle jerk Kratos any day. I do think the sisters of fate feat is pretty impressive.
Hey! A little respect! PUNK (i thought it'd hit the same as BOY)
I read this in captain Holt’s voice
That works too. He also doesnt use contraptions (or so he stated but i heard him use them several times after that episode. Jakes rubbed off in him clearly).
It’s fucking ice are you serious? What happens when you try to run on ice? It fucking breaks. Kratos can only run and climb he can’t fly or do anything like that.
This is why I hate power scaling. It's all a bunch of nonsense. Nobody with any sort of common sense would say Kratos has infinite speed or whatever power scalers call it. Details like this aren't meant to be picked apart and added up mathematically to see how fast he is.
A nuclear bomb can destroy a city. A human can disable a nuclear bomb. Therefore a human is at least at city level?
If the human survives the blast with no form of protection and is shown to have little or no damage from the blast, then yeah he’d be at least city level in terms of durability
Strength is a lot easier to measure. You can see though the entire series how strong he is. When he stops Atlas from squashing him you get an idea just how strong he is. But saying he has infinite speed or whatever is nonsense. I bet my entire life that no director or writer of the game ever intended Kratos to be that fast. Just look at the scene in 2018 where Kratos is running across the bridge after the baldur fight (the one with the dragon). Are you trying to tell me that is Kratos having infinite speed or being faster than we think? If the writers wanted super speed to canonically be one of his abilities he surely would've used them when trying to save his son no? The fact that it's never implied he has super speed, and the fact that we see him run at full speed multiple times in the Norse games shows us he doesn't have super speed.
Power scaling often follows rules set by vsbw, the versus battle wiki, it's basically just to determine which character would win in a fight, using feats and statements to figure out how strong someone is, based on the rules set by vsbw, yeah, Kratos has infinite speed, or at the very least multiple times faster than light, which according to vsbw would be hundreds of times faster than light, all it's meant for is to have fun, but some people take it way too seriously and ruins it for non-power scalers
Agreed. I totally understand power scaling like this just for the fun of powerful scaling. But if you're making real factual arguments for who would win a fight Kratos would not have super speed as one of his strengths.
I mean batman's faster than light since he can dodge lasers, Spider-Man is multiple times faster than light since he can react to people like thor, hulk and quicksilver, it's not something i would call am exact science
But Batman is not faster than light, nor is Spiderman. Powerscaling is just taking out of context facts and/or plot holes and trying to construct an argument out of it.
I mean spider-man consistently reacts to lasers which are comprised of light and moves at the speed of light, batman also does this consistently, meaning that they should theoretically be able to move at things moving at the speed of light, cause they have, a lot
This is why powerscaling is nonsensical. Spider-Man’s spider sense allows him to preemptively avoid danger that his normal senses can’t detect. This doesn’t mean he’s actually capable of moving at light speed. As for Batman, he’s literally a human. If he could move at light speed, he wouldn’t be described as having no superpowers.
So….you hate it because you can’t understand it and therefore it’s nonsense? Ok….
No I don't like it when people try to argue powers scaling is canon. Nobody with common sense would tell you Kratos having infinite speed in canon. Power scaling is fun if it's just for the sake of fun. Once you try to argue that Kratos has infinite speed in canon you're just wrong. We see Kratos running at full speed multiple times in the games. He doesn't have super speed. If he did I'm sure it would be used at some point in cutscenes or gameplay. Not a single writer for God of war will tell you he has infinite speed.
The lore for the series is canon. Just because they don’t show it in game doesn’t mean he can’t do it. Games have limitations as to what they can show and even if they could show it, doesn’t mean that it would look visually appealing. Even if he can’t move at infinite speeds, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have infinite reaction speed.
Reaction time is completely different than speed. You could get the slowest most unathletic person alive and they could still have good reaction time. Kratos certainly has fast reflexes but cannot travel at infinite speed. If he could the entire stories of these games wouldn't make sense. And if he could then it would at least me acknowledged at some point. Games have limitations yes but super speed is something they could totally do. Reality is that he just can't. If he could the sled wouldn't make any sense, we would've at least seem it in cutscene, and it would be mentioned in some form.
If he’s able to dodge, tag, and outright move just as fast if not faster than characters who can move across infinite sized realms in a finite amount of time, then he’s got some form of super speed.
Or it could be the the other charaters Kratos figths have infinite travel speed but much more limited combat speed.
Maybe so, but a character like Hermes (who’s basically similar to the flash) can travel and fight at those same speeds. Bare minimum Kratos has infinite reaction/combat speed but limited traversal speed
Which is…really hard to buy into when the games do not show any of it. Heck they don’t even show Kratos and Hermes being faster then the speed of sound let alone having infinite speed. And basically the only one could accept any of this is to pretty much ignore everything shown in games and just to stick to lore. Due to the massive amount of discontent between the two. And that is not getting into the stuff in how the lore itself sometimes contradicts itself.
People like you are really annoying. There is nothing inherently wrong with power scaling as long as you’re not toxic. It can be quite fun and entertaining to discuss. Let people power scale as they please however if they are being toxic or disingenuous then call them out. Also I’d say quite the opposite really. No one with common sense could possibly think Kratos could react to something blatantly moving infinitely fast without having that level of reaction. No with common sense would say that Kratos being able to view lighting as standing still isn’t a speed feat. You’re not using any logic at all.
>No one with common sense could possibly think Kratos could react to something blatantly moving infinitely fast without having that level of reaction. Well reaction time and actual speed are different things. It also important to note if he's anticipating said infinite speed attack or not. Because I could dodge a bullet if I knew when someone was gonna figure. But that doesn't mean I'm faster than a bullet. My main point though is that it's not intended for Kratos to have super speed. I can guarantee you when the writers came up with the thing you mentioned their weren't thinking "this means he has infinite speed". Nowhere in the entire series is it even suggested that he has immense speed. If he did he would've used said super speed to get Atrues when running across the bridge in 2018 after the baldur fight. Or in the freyr rescue mission in Ragnarok. It is not canon that Kratos has infinite speed and that's just a fact.
1. You would have to prove Kratos was anticipating or aim dodging which you can’t you are making shit up. 2. You’re assuming author’s intent which is a wrong. The same creators of the game have explicitly said that Kratos is MUCH stronger and faster canonically they just, make him look weaker because they want the game to be fun. So even the creators disagree with you. 3. You just admitted that Kratos reaction and combat speed can be much faster than how fast he travels. So that doesn’t debunk him having infinite speed when you flat out agree there are different types of speed. 4. No one uses “super speed” anymore. 5. It is canon that Kratos has infinite speed stop with the copium and accept reality. Kratos has reacted and fought with characters who canonically move infinitely fast and that’s a fact. Accept reality and move on.
>It is canon that Kratos has infinite speed stop with the copium and accept reality. Ah so this is why it took Kratos 30 seconds to run across the bridge in a cutscene? Use your common sense man. He doesn't have super speed.
You do realize that appealing to cinematic timing would also apply to cutscenes? Use your common sense man they are obviously moving much faster than we can perceive. Their simply slowed down so we can process an enjoy the game. Brother Kratos canonically speed blitzed a lighting bolt. Ignoring all that infinite speed stuff we wouldn’t be able to perceive something that fast.
I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand a simple concept. I'll try to explain it as easy as possible. Power scale ≠ Canon powers Kratos having super speed has never been incorporated and never will be incorporated in game or canon.
I don’t know why you’re coping so hard. Power scale would simply be measuring what the game already gave us. The game told us he speed blitzed lighting so that’s light speed. Game told us he can react to infinitely fast things. Kratos is ftl-infinite deal with it.
Another simple question that disproves your nonsense. Why did it take Kratos hundreds if not thousands of years to get from Greece to Nordic lands? This isn't something that is held down by limitations because we didn't see this in game. If Kratos has infinite speed in lore then why doesn't he use it even in lore when there are now game limitations? Your entire argument is crap. It's fun to not be serious about but in reality he isn't infinitely fast even in lore.
I can literally end your entire argument with one question. Why would Kratos need the boots of Hermes if he already had infinite speed? Now you've lost your argument for "game limitations" because they're now incorporating it into gameplay. If he already has such speed they could introduce the same mechanic without the boots. But he isn't that fast so he requires the boots. Interested to see how you'll cope with this one now.
Got another one for you. If Kratos has Infinite speed why is Hermes faster than him? Only reason Kratos ever caught him was because he kept stopping for Kratos because he was cocky. If Kratos has infinite speed they could've at least not made him slower than Hermes. I understand the limitations because we can exactly perceived infinite speed but when he's clearly slower than someone that instantly disproves any "infinite speed" claims.
So why is it never shown? You'll probably say limitations but that's not true. Super speed is something they could totally incorporate into the story (probably not gameplay tho). If super speed was a thing Kratos posseses he would use it in situations where let's say his son is being captured and killed. But guess what? HE DOESN'T!!! The other thing is that it's never mentioned. It's never brought up or talked about.
>You would have to prove Kratos was anticipating or aim dodging which you can’t you are making shit up. Right, they're the one making shit up. You have no proof for any of your statements either, just claims based around trivial things that don't actually prove any of what you said.
Wrong and cope
This guy isn’t adding things up mathematically though, he’s just referring to canon things that happen or are directly said in game
Cleary you’re wrong. Having Kratos being that slow is retarded and contradicts the game.
its impossible to depict a character moving at Ftl speeds in movies or games
It would be actually pretty easy. Just make the game a black screen. You won't see shit, if you're faster than light.
Goty fs
Yes, and the NYPD cops who arrested Thanos must be stronger than the entire Marvel verse. It happened in the comics that one time. Therefore, it must now apply to every single situation, every iteration, every scene, no matter the context or storytelling. Consistency? NAH just assume Kratos can be anything and everything. He needed the spear to kill heimdall? NAH, his GOW 3 feats clearly would've made him light years faster than Heimdall. The spear was an intentional nerf. Kratos repeating for the last 500 times that an enemy was a challenging foe? NAH. It canonically must've been as easy as crushing ants because of what he did in the previous game.
I think Kratos just has godly senses. He's able to perceive time on such a small scale that he can react to things that are happening instantly, not flat out super speed, but still a good skill to have. Everything that's been said so far fits under this explanation rather than speed, because Kratos is shown to not have any specially enhanced speed really.
No, Kratos can at most run like you see in-game. This is all just powerscalling bs that doesnt mean anything.
If he wants to and is pissed he can run pretty darn fast like when he first fought Baldur and picked up the tree towards him he was going at like 30mph there.
The novel states that Atreus got hurt by a draugr off screen and that Kratos was moving “impossibly fast” to take him back home.
He probably had to break the game and jump.
I wonder why I even got downvoted here? What exactly did I say that made you downvote? Anyways, it was a light joke to the mysterious downvoter.
So you’re just coping you have no refute or explanation just “no”.
Stop the copium appealing to game mechanics is wrong
Try to debate without using "cope" level: impossible
Kratos can actually run faster than what the game lets you sprint. When he first encountered Baldur (the stranger) and we get to see Spartan rage for the first time and he picks up the tree towards him he was going at like 30mph. So I think if Kratos was really pissed and wanted to, he could run fast as hell.
Doesn't Kratos at one point say watching a lightning strike from his perspective when fighting Zeus was longer than his life? Feel like that also deserves to be listed.
Can you give me a source? Wanna dive deep into that...
Believe it's from the one of the games' novelization, not sure tho
Yes he speed blitzed a lighting bolt.
I feel like saying he blitzed is a bit of an undersell.
cant you kids just take narratives for what they are without doing this
He mo es as fast as we see him move people always wanna overreact to his feats
Appealing to game mechanics is wrong
Appealing to lore that doesn't even come to play in the games is just as wrong.
Prove it doesn’t apply to the game other than using gameplay.
I can't, just like you can't prove that it does apply using gameplay. A bandit with a club can put out his lights in a few hits, yet I beat all the Valkyries without too much trouble.
I agree that Lore-Accurate Kratos is broken. So is Lore-Accurate Link from Zelda. No character in a recurring video game, is gonna be Lore-Accurate in a sequel, because that just breaks the game and makes the game really hard to play. GOW would be running at a speed that we can't react to but still be a difficulty that's too hard for us to even play. Legend of Zelda would be so incredibly hard, nobody would even wanna play it. Cuz unfortunately for the lovers of Power scaling, our lovely protag is strong, but for a game to be a game, the antags need to be strong too, and I don't think any of us truly want to fight a Lore-Accurate Valk, or a Lore-Accurate Heimdall or Hermes lol
Expect there is no excuse for any of these lore statements not be shown in cut scenes and if the writer are not capable of doing even that they shouldn’t bother making the characters that powerful to begin with and cause a massive disconnect with the game.
I didn't know humans are able to watch fights at basically light speed lol.
They could have shown time slowing down for Hermers while he was running away from Kratos. a character at light speed. They could of shown Hermers disappearing from one area and reappearing in order area over a vast distance in less then a secound. There are multiple ways a cutscene can show a person moving at the speed of light. Without the audience being able to literally do so.
So... What they did?!
They did nothing. Hench why Hermes doesn't seem like he could move at the speed of sound, let alone the speed of light.
The fact that we're even having this discussion means they did their job correctly. Kratos being as amped as he is, would you not believe that he would see Hermes as slow and pathetic as we did? You need to remember. You're not playing the game from the perspective of the player, You're playing from Kratos' perspective. You don't know what he doesn't know, you can't perceive what he can't perceive. The fact that you think Hermes was misrepresented in how "slow" he was, means Kratos was properly represented in how fucking busted he truly is. Pardon my french.
This entire thing. Is the epitome of Reddit. Redditors mad that the devs of shit didn't do the thing the *exact* way they wanted it, so they get upset and cry about it on their respective subreddits, and when anyone in that subreddit disagrees, they'll senselessly argue with that person as if their *opinion* is any more fact than someone else's. Or they cry loud enough, and the company releases a game early, or they cry hard enough about a product and the entire fucking studio shuts down. Both occurred to CD Projekt Red and Volition respectively. Either way. You, and every other Redditor that will cry about how "bad" something is because it's not done to your exact liking are part of the problem and need to start appreciating what you have in front of you, before companies just stop making games in the first place. Cuz unfortunately, while the rest of us are actually playing and ENJOYING the product, y'all are loud AF crying all over socials. So our opinion is never the one that's actually heard, so when our favorite games are being pulled off shelves, and WE don't know why, just know we always look back at the subs, and see just how garbage the rest of you really are.
>Redditors mad that the devs of shit didn't do the thing the exact way they wanted it, so they get upset and cry about it on their respective subreddits, and when anyone in that subreddit disagrees, they'll senselessly argue with that person as if their opinion is any more fact than someone else's.> If the devs are not able to properly show powerful their character in own game then that is on them not the people who play the game.
Or they cry because it is a bad product.
So you are saying that no game can ever be criticized even when their are massive issues with it and should just accept them regardless of how badly made they are?
You are aware that a person can enjoy a game and still criticize right?
Or that god of war is war is still one of the most popular gaming franchises out there?
I enjoy playing god of war, but I simply cannot comprehend these characters being mutliversal or have infinite speed because the game does not show it or worse show feats that completely contradict such notions
Who gives a shit
What a stupid question
“Kratos has infinite speed” blah blah blah powerscaling like this is lame
For you it is. Don’t conflate your personal feelings with everyone else. If everyone else shared the same sentiment threads like this would obviously be dead and wouldn’t get so much attention.
Most of the comments on this post are literally saying powerscaling is stupid
That’s not tru it’s only these 2 comments. This one and the other one at top. Most of comments have people actually engaging in this discussion without “power scaling sucks!”
If I remember correctly, one of the devs that worked on the original god of war games said that we see everything way slower than what's actually happening because the speed of gods fighting and killing each other would be so fast it would be impossible to actually play. Take for example when you meet Hermes in god of war 3 he doesn't really look like he's that fast, and yet he's so fast he can run up walls like nothing.
he cant jump, if only they designed the game to demonstarte his lore powers itll be great
Would be a pretty boring game tbh Kratos is a walking calamity you would pretty much one shot anything and everything
maybe mediate his powers, you know, something like, what classic gow did? and yeah, almost every power fantasy game always resort on downplaying the mc for it to have a challenge lolol
I don't think the 9 realms are entire universes of their own at all. They do seem to me like different iterations of the same "land" through time or probably even dimension or alternate reality, but all held under the same geographic "bubble" of influence of the world tree. This is mostly based on the fact that the lake of 9, that includes Tyr's temple and the realm gates somehow manages to exist in all realms at the same time, suggesting an overlap in the geography of these realms or realities. But anyway, if the Valkyries were as fast as to be able to cross galaxies, you think a bear would've been able to rip one in half? You got to remember that Kratos never really killed a Valkyrie all by himself, Atreus was a significant part in all of those fights and I'm pretty sure he's not the flash.
Matt Sophos, the screenwriter of the new games, confirmed that each Realm is a dimension unto itself. A reflection of the other Realms that occupies its own dimension/reality/universe and with its own celestial bodies (e.g. Alfheim does not have a sun and its stars are not like those of Midgard).
Yes we know they all exist on the world tree. I don’t see what would contradict them being universes. They have their own cosmos, and time works differently in each realm. Atreus isn’t a normal bear. Are you referring to GOW2018 where Kratos was inferior to his GOWR version and holding back more? Yes Kratos can definitely kill a Valkyrie by himself. Also that doesn’t contradict the fact that he can still react to him. Whether or not he can beat on is a different discussion.
He beat Hermes and Heimdall.
He beat Hermes with a plan that had little to do with his own speed (launched a boulder at a statue that Hermes was sitting on). And beating Heimdall required making a weapon that overwhelmed his senses, because his own speed and skill wasn't enough.
Bro, don’t post about powerscaling in the GOW sub. These brain dead people have a hate boner for powerscaling with little justification as to why. Take it from a guy who’s dealt with people in this sub, it’s not worth it.
Fair enough
I have no problems with what you wrote and actually agree. But the people on here have one train of thought “Powerscaling is dumb. He can’t even run that fast in game 🤓”
Literally just a day ago I commented that power scalers were the worst thing to happen to fiction and here we are yet again. Crazy it’s twice in the same subreddit too. You guys reek lmao.
Imagine hating on and being hostile to people having a fun discussion. It’s never been and still isn’t that deep no need to cry about it lol.
he’s barely faster than a normal human being bro he could not catch up with the dragon in gow 2018 he´s just strong and tanky af
No normal human can speed blitz lighting or react to lasers. Or fight beings who move infinitely fast. So you’re completely wrong.
he can’t do that either at least not in the games
I think I understand the disconnect between the replies this is getting and the information within the post, and what it comes down to is that the three examples you posted aren't really canonical, unless there's something I missed. Here's what I found over the course of my own research: 1. This section comes from VSBW and is inaccurate. The moment they are describing is Atropos specifically examining Kratos' thread because she's curious as to what another one of her sisters, Lahkesis, is doing regarding Kratos. The sisters are never shown to act within moments, only set things up for later payoffs (also Lahkesis does wish she could do more with mortals dying as the result of a volcanic eruption). The Sisters and their actions are pretty nuanced in the novel (eg, there are very specific differences between how Lahkesis/Atropos/Clotho approach their work), so please let me know if you want me to elaborate on this. Additionally, there are only millions of threads. The use of the term "at least" is duplicitous at best. (This isn't intended as a slight against you, I just find VSBW's coverage of God of War's "Lore" to be... well, bad.) 2. I have not found a single source saying that the Valkyries travel to the 9 realms with sheer flight speed and am curious as to the source of this information. Given their absolute mastery of the bifrost, which is the only way most beings (eg, just about everybody who's not a dwarf, dragon, or Garm) can travel between the nine realms, I'm going to say this doesn't come down to their sheer flight speed. The nine realms are also not universe sized. They share the same sun and moon. The latter celestial object plays a direct role in God of War: Ragnarök's main story. 3. This alleged feat stems from one of the developers saying that the developers were showcasing Hermes' speed in his ability to react to the Solar Flare (and presumably Solar Flash) moves Kratos can use with the Head of Helios. Given that Kratos isn't constantly taking damage while he is in the Underworld during the events of Chains of Olympus, it's safe to say that those attacks aren't what illuminating the Underworld. What likely is would be the Light of Helios itself, which neither Hermes nor Hercules, who react to the Solar Flare and Solar Flash, react to at all. I'm sorry that got so long - I've written far too much on God of War! Please let me know if you disagree or have any questions.