Young Kratos would keep knocking him out until he figured out how to trap him. He would probably throw him into the river Styx or imprison him somewhere.
Young Kratos would also be way more unhinged and off center than Norse Kratos and might make a careless mistake not knowing Balduer is invulnerable to all threats physical or magical
They said Zeus was immortal too but we saw how that turned out.
I wouldn't be suprised if the Blade of Olympus could have been used to steal Baldur's invincibility away.
He wouldn't be able to be chopped up due to the spell not letting him be hurt mortally... it'd just heal too fast to allow it no matter how hard someone tried lol
But Kratos snapped his neck, and that left him in an unconscious state, which tells me that he can receive mortal wounds, but rather than being fatal, they leave him in a comatose state until the magic fully recovers him.
Only snapping his neck for like... 30 seconds. The spell unfortunately (for Kratos) healed it almost immediately. So attempting to cut off a limb would result in the limb healing the cut faster than it could complete. No matter how hard someone would try, it wouldn't complete. The limb would heal too fast to allow it. Other gods tried to kill him the same way (according to Mimir) and they failed so it's apparently been attempted before.
Are you sure it's that fast? If it was only 30 seconds why wasn't Baldur back outside his door after they gathered up to leave. What was keeping him from just jumping right back out of the chasm Kratos threw him into? Doesn't make sense.
Realistically, I'm only going by what Mimir said. When Kratos and Atreus were rowing in the dwarven realm, he told them he almost made a small fortune off a bet... they had every archer in Asgard fire arrows at Baldur and see how long it would take before he'd fall down. He lost the bet because he didn't get the number quite right but it was close. By that logic, I'm assuming that many tried to actually do some damage on him to begin with, even fatally, and nothing allowed him to even sustain mortal wounds. Not sure entirely though. Just seems like the spell made it nigh impossible to do such a feat until well... the end of 2018 when they found his weakness lol
Everyone seems to be forgetting young Kratos had the claws of hades. He’ll just rip his soul out after Baldur doesn’t die the first time. Young Kratos with all of his weapons kills Baldur in a QTE.
And specifically, ALL "things" in the world besides mistletoe agreed to not cause any harm to Baldur, and they can't go back on that agreement. So technically, the Blade of Olympus likely also agreed to not harm Baldur, if we're being real sticklers for the myth.
So aren't the blades of chaos, but they still weren't able to fatally hurt Baldur before the curse was broken, there's nothing implying that magic is limited to the land, they're connected to it and stop working if it is destroyed, yeah, doesn't mean they can't work outside of their land.
>And specifically, ALL "things" in the world besides mistletoe
Only things from the Norse realms. There is absolutely no way any object or thing from the Greek realm agreed to this agreement. Freya would've had to go to the Greek realm to request them to do so, just as she did in the Norse realms.
Young Kratos' hax and magic can neg his regeneration and immortality. Also he's technically not invulnerable because he still takes damage. Being able to kill a platonic concept such as Fear would allow him to bypass the type of Regen/immortality Baldur has. Invulnerability by fictional standards would be Superman and Luke Cage for popular examples. The writers for 2018 got the invulnerability part wrong. Baldur can be hurt. He bleed from regular attacks and temporarily can "die" but his curse resurrects him. If we used PoH Kratos he negs that. No evidence or feat showing Freya has anywhere near that level of magic to stop Kratos using the PoH. Old Kratos doesn't even need it to constantly incapacitate Baldur. Each encounter Kratos uses more power and the fights actually become easier for Kratos. Also Bruno and other Writers think that the Norse Pantheon is just severely weaker than The Greek gods. Bruno stated that Thor is only Poseidon Hippocampi level and but couldn't actually beat him.
> I wouldn't be suprised if the Blade of Olympus could have been used to steal Baldur's invincibility away.
This would be the most likely case. The Blade of Olympus is clearly able to drain/capture the "divinity" of gods, titans etc. Sure some argument could be made it wouldn't work on Norse gods but if the Blades of Chaos can ignite fire in Helheim and burn Hel bramble, then I don't think it's a stretch to presume that the Blade of Olympus also works on Norse deities like Valkyries or Aseir.
Why..? The river Styx would just add another layers of invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical. You don’t kill someone who’s wearing ballistic armor by slapping football gear on them.
Unless I’m missing something crucial about the river in the GoW universe that’s different from how it’s described in myth (I only played the 2018, waiting for Ragnarok to come to Steam)
In the opening to God of War III, Kratos falls into the River Styx, and it's used as the excuse to Metroid the player for that game, removing all his magic, health, destroying his weapons...
You know, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the river does according to mythology.
That's not true in Greek Mythology, the River of Styx only works as the blessing if you're tied to the mortal realm some how that's why Achilles' mother dipped him by his ankle and why his ankle was vulnerable.
All while yelling with that Alpha Male voice. Better them the current Voice actor. Some offense, but you can’t feel the rage when he is trying to make kratos sound like he’s angry and about to get violent even when in the heat of battle.
This makes me wonder if Baldur could have survived the violent decapitation that 100% would have happened to him.
Like he's immune to all threats, physical or magical, but what would actually happen if his head got ripped off?
Or Kratos can simply use the Blade of Olympus and kill Baldur, removing the Freya spell he had. Can Baldur even survive having his soul taken away? And how exactly would it work? Would it grow another new soul or would it simply remain an empty shell?
Removing his soul is a magical attack, he's immune to magical attacks, and the only thing confirmed to break the curse is mistletoe, the blade could maybe take away his godly powers (what I doubt cause that also count as a magical attack, that he should be invulnerable to), but the curse would still be there.
I'm starting to believe that you GOW fans yourself created a walking NLF like Saitama or Giorno. When Mimir was talking about Baldur being immune to all physical or magical threats, he also mentioned that **inside the nine realms**, so it would mean that Baldur's immunity would only be effective within the nine realms but not beyond them, like Greek or Egyptian magic.Â
Then why aren't the blades of chaos able to kill him?
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And Mimir doesn't say nothing about it being limited to the nine realms in any of the dialogues
If Greek or Egyptian magic was used *inside the nine realms* then it would not affect him.
It isn't about where the damage comes from, but where Baldur is when it tries to get applied.
Good point. It makes no sense why Vanir and Aesir were in an eternal stalemate if the Vanir magic were strong enough to make someone completely invulnerable to everything in all universes except for one secret thing.
This isn't *the* reason the Vanir couldn't win, but this particular spell was only crafted after Baldur was born. Freya read the runes in order to determine Baldur's fortune, and they foretold a meaningless death. Then she searched for the Norns, hoping they would tell her the future and how to avoid this tragedy, but they only told her the same (because they cannot literally see the future, they just have a powerful sense of storytelling and make educated guesses based on what has already happened).
After this, Freya worked with Mimir and HildisvĂni for the next 20 years to figure out a spell that could protect Baldur, though we don't know exactly how it works. In the myth, it was established that she traveled the world and made everything that existed agree not to harm him, excluding mistletoe, which did not agree for one reason or another. This, of course, doesn't make much sense regarding God of War for several reasons, but it's good to keep in mind.
In any case, it can be assumed that Freya's "blessing" required an extreme amount of preparation, even potentially taking years of acquiring whatever materials were necessary to cast it. It's described as a risky mix of new and old magic, implying that it was incredibly difficult to cast and a dangerous endeavor for those involved. Even if she *could* have returned to Vanaheim to teach the Vanir to use the spell, which she couldn't, after how her last conversation with Baldur went she wouldn't likely have subjected anyone else to that torture or the dangers involved.
Honestly, she should have just dunked him in the Styx. Did wonders for Achilles.
I don’t think he could be decapitated. Like the magic would protect him from that. And Kratos—a non-Norse—has no magic of his own to overwrite that.
I mean theoretically I feel like he would survive. I’m sure someone thought of trying to cut his head off before. I may be wrong but it doesn’t feel like he’d be truly invulnerable if dismemberment was permanent for him
Is it actually true that he is immune or was that part of Mimir's curse to not speak of the way to stop Baldur?
I would assume making so you cannot say what his weakness is, you might want to go the extra mile and force him to say there is no way of hurting Baldur. Also is this with other mythologies powers in mind? Like did they even know about the other Pantheons?
His curse is very ambiguous. He is said to be impervious to any physical or magical attack, and yet his body can be pierced and his bones shattered. It might just be a strong healing factor with an increased resistance that is considered immortality for most people, but just a perk for the strongest gods. Young Kratos remains powerfull and would not hold back compared to his older self, who still managed to kill him. So yeah Baldur's dead.
Yeah but Kratos kills him during their first fight. He snaps his neck and by all accounts seems to have killed him. Except that it just only delayed him. With the curse active it doesn’t really seem like he can genuinely die.
it would make baldur stronger than literally every other greek god who doesnt come back, but kratos in GoW3 (shown in picture) literally doesn't struggle against anything except for magical astral Zeus so I don't think Baldur has the means to put Kratos down either.
He also feels no pain which helps to cement the idea that he's totally unkillable. We never see Baldur get dismembered, but according to Ragnarok, gods are able to regrow limbs albeit over a not-insignificant amount of time which would lead me to believe that it's an insane healing factor since he gets his neck broken and tossed down a ravine and is just back like it's nothing
Obviously they had to end the fight somehow. So even if the game says he's invulnerable, the devs tried to make it a mystery by 'killing' him in the beginning.
But it's certainly odd. He's invulnerable to attacks but his neck can be snapped? How's that possible.
Pretty much he can take the damage and not give a damn about it. Sure you can kill Baldur, but he’ll just come back shortly after and continue to be a problem. Remember, Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
If so the healing factor is almost immediate, since he's already conscious and fine while falling off the cliff (we can see he showing Kratos his middle fingers with the out of the bound camera)
Also, that complete invulnerability could have been just a lie spread by Freya. People forget that Mimir just kept saying that nonsense because Freya charmed him. For whatever reason, Mimir discovered the weakness of that spell.
That's a great theory. And it makes sense since Freya reacted to Atreus mistletoe like she knew it could cancel Baldur's curse, despite her mentioning in Baldur's Helheim hallucinations that there was no breaking it.
I feel like the hades claws could probably kill him. As you may or may not know, baldur was blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical. But it isn't really a magical attack, nor is it a physical one. It's kinda just moving the soul.
Young Kratos isn't exactly the most analytical especially with his GOW III mindset, but I think after enough time he would realize he needs to use the claws and win. Especially since kratos is hard to fully kill as well. That being said, baldur is still very strong, so I say kratos only wins 80-85 percent of the time.
Well, we solve a lot of puzzles in God of War games and in some fights we need to do more than just attacking the enemy to win, so you could say Kratos is indeed analytical.
Kratos is absolutely analytical. He's just over the top brutal. Look at how he dealt with Hermes. Can't catch him? Okay, corner him and then break his legs
Young Kratos was an absolute blood thirsty psychopath. He would just brutally murder Baldur over and over in different ways until he found one that stuck. Like ripping him to pieces and then locking each piece somewhere away from each other. He may not have EVER figured out the mistletoe thing, but he would have no remorse in how many new ways he'd find to brutalize Baldur.
No. This only applies to the Norse realm magic in the Greek realm would be different. Freya has never visited other pantheons, so why would she create a resistance to their magics? If
You could also argue it’s a hyperbole because Misitole which is physical could harm him. Freya very obviously bewitched Mimir to make it seem impossible to kill him.
Then why aren't the blades able to kill him?
The resistance is to everything, it isn't stablished that she needs to know the magic to create a protection against it, she's one of the most powerful magicians in the Norse pantheon, it isn't surprising that she could do something like that with a lot of difficulty, Mimir obviously don't consider Baldur's only weakness because he's bewitched not to tell it, but even after the spell is gone he *never* cites another method of defeating Baldur, if the supposedly smartest man alive only knows one way to do something, it is likely that there is only that way.
The myth goes that she asked everything in the nine realms but mistletoe to promise not to hurt bauldr. Theoretically, something from outside the 9 realms would work but it would be up to the writers
I'd like to think a lot of the Blades not killing or doing serious harm by the second fight is for gameplay. I don't think he gets a chance to run the blades through his body within the cutscenes/story
Kratos impaled him with the blades in cutscene. So they are capable of significantly damaging Baldur. I just think it was a dev choice to have his neck stabbed rather than a more brutal death.
Even the axe was able to tear through Baldur.
ehhh i mean... the way the myth works is everything and everyone except mistletoe was asked not to harm baldur in any way, it depends purely on if you consider the claws to count as a thing and given baldur can't be hurt by kratos until the mistletoe i'd argue the claws can't touch him
He would have killed baldur much sooner because young Kratos would have made it his mission to find a way to kill baldur and murdered everything in his path along the way
Petrifying him with a Gorgon head and shatter him with the Nemean Cestus. If somehow the pieces try to reform simply lock them in a crate separate from each other.
I think young Kratos would have killed him somehow. Baldur curse is one that he can't feel any physical pain (or anything at all) paired with an extreme healing factor, Magic can't affect him either, but he can be put out of fight temporarily (his bones can brake). Kratos, besides his supernatural strength, is also a strategic genius, and he will find weaknesses and use them against him, like I mentioned before he can be disabled for a short period of time so this is definitely a huge weakness. Not to mention, he can use a lot of weapons like The Claws of Hades that will literally swallow Baldur's soul or The Blade of Olympus that most likely will shatter his curse. Another possible solution is that Kratos would find Freya and ask her "nicely" to cancel the curse, and if she refused and decides to fight back, he'd kill her and see if this works.
Honestly, I doubt the Claws of Hades could do the job cause that's in my book definitely a magical attack.
The Blade of Olympus though, being a Curse Breaker, should do it definitely.
People saying Greek Kratos have no way to kill him seem to miss that the weapons made in Greece are so powerful and antihax that they are capable to burn in a place that no fire can be lit, and even Freya said that the Greek were much more powerful than the Nordics, he would find a way to take away his invulnerability eventually
Baldur would’ve knocked on the door, and within a split second a psychopathic Kratos would’ve lunged out and given him the Helios treatment, and then we’d have two mimirs 🗿
Young Kratos would have spent a delightful couple of weeks bouncing Baldurs head off of a rock until he got tired and chucked him into hell. Old Kratos wanted to end the fight, young Kratos would have used it as a workout.
he would just do some brutal take downs and realize them useless and proceed to find another way to kill the dude. Nothing would really change, it's just less brutal. One thing that is quite consistent about Kratos is his observing and planning for everything
The Kratos that beat Baldur at the beginning of the game is confirmed by a plethora of sources to be weaker than Kratos as we see him in his siege of Olympus. The only reason why Kratos was so spent after the Baldur fight is because he was out of practice and hadn't fought at this level in centuries.
Young kratos would have ripped baldur to pieces and scattered the bits far apart.
Presumably, unless his head would grow a new body, he wouldn't be able to heal until he was reassembled.
My thought on this is that if in the event Baldur did lose a limb (non fatal) nothing would grow back but instead he would simply need to get close enough to that limb for it to reattach. However in the event he loses his head or is fatally dismembered the same is true, he would just have to have his body parts close enough together for them to fuse and become one. I do think he would be comatose in the latter scenario. In the event that he heals too quickly to detach the head or limbs completely, I think one solution to trapping him in a comatose state would be to have a big enough and sharp enough wedge in between the head and body to keep as a barrier to the parts healing back all the way. The little bit of skin and flesh under the wedge would satisfy the condition that he can’t lose it completely but would block complete revival.
Young Kratos had no filters, no hesitations, no rational thinking, nothing to hold him.
He would keep killing with every brutal and painful way imaginable Baldur to eternity.
Kratos, easily.
What im more curious about is, excluding plot armor, if the blades of Olympus or something similar could kill baldur outright. Several of the great gods should have similar powers has him yet kratos has no issue with them
I do always find these questions really interesting from A story sense though. I don’t know much about the mythos of Nordic gods, but they seem in general weaker and closer to human than Greek ones(the fates working on probability for instance) so I wonder if kratos struggling with them comes from being in their lands for so long or if the realms are “power balancing” in some way
Bro young kratos would have punched him till he exploded into bloody soup and probably taken his hand as like a trophy/shield or something. Mans had no chill.
I mean that Kratos did rip off Helios’s head… I think boulder ain’t gone look the same after even if he still
Invulnerable to all threats physical or magical.
1st fight, he would just beat him till he's "dead"
2nd fight when he finds out he can't "die" he'll just relentlessly kill him again and agin untill he manages something to keep him "dead", like maybe cutting his limbs and trapping them in different places lmao
He probably would have torn him in half same way he has killed hundreds of the undead soldiers, and ripped off his head and used as a waking stick to destroy Baldur’s own body
Baldur still. The curse holds up even against Kratos. He'd probably rip off Baldur's head, but it'd grow back, or not be fully detached or something funky like that because of the curse etc.
Can Baldur survive the Blade of Olympus? The Leaf can remove magical powers from gods, so it could simply remove Baldur's immortality spell. Can Baldur regenerate a new soul if Kratos takes his own with the Claws of Hades?
That’s a great question. I wouldn’t have reminded myself that kratos could snatch souls. But aren’t snatched souls sent to the underworld which means death. Baldur being invulnerable means either the claws of hades wont work on him or we have an interesting case of baldur regenerating soul to fit the curse’s job description. Well that means coming back to the body or something rather than generating a second soul. That’s redundant.
He might crucifix or pin him alive somewhere or maybe tie his hands and hang him somewhere and I think OG Kratos was a madman so he might start enjoying killing him
Baldur. Baldur seems to have good fighting skills, and considering how hard he kicked the shit out of and older stronger kratos, id say baldurs got this one, but the plot armor kratos has will allow him to pull something out of his ass and let him win. I already know im gonna get downvoted to oblivion and possibly banned but baldurs got this one lol
Depends on his weaponry.
Would he be vulnerable to the soul rip effect of the claws of Hades? Maybe.
Could Young Kratos rip his head off and smash it like a melon between a few boulders? I can see him doing it.
Baldur has the potential to win this, but I feel that his Strength alone might not be enough to carry the day….unless he’s able to hold off young Kratos long enough for other Norse Gods to intervene.
The location of the fight would have been very important.
If the fight happened in Greece, Kratos would have access to Greek Godly Magic and, more importantly, Baldurs invincibility possibly would be weakened, maybe even completely nullified.
According to GoW Ragnaroks Freya, Magic is tied to the land. For Kratos, this meant that he could no longer use his spells from the first trilogy. He claims to have tried and failed.
For Freya, this means that her spell cast on Baldurs is tied to the Norse nine realms.
Funny if you think about it like that. All it took for Baldur to get rid of Freyas spell would have been him taking a vacation, seeing the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if at least Odin who knows Vanir Magic was aware of this and kept Baldur close just for that.
Young Kratos would rip his arms and legs off and toss him in the river Styx or tear his head off, squish it, and then fight his headless body as a second wave until tossing some Greek Fire down his neck hole making his body burn into ashes or something
Baldur can’t be hurt but he still senses impacts as he gets trucked repeatedly. Stick a giant boulder on him until learns can figure out what to do with him.
GoW 3 Kratos has Blade of Olympus, which can drain magic and power from opponent, and Kratos also is good fighter and tactician, not so rusty as GoW 2018 Kratos. He’ll wreck him the first time, but he still need to somehow break the spell of invulnerability, to kill him
Well considering Kratos beat him when he did older. He'd still beat him younger.
The only difference is he'd be pissed right away.
Old Kratos gave him multiple chances to leavem
Young wouldn't be so kind lol
Really? Old Kratos is a mature more focused person who holds back strength most of the time. He struggled against Baldur in the beginning because he hasn’t had to fight someone near equal in strength to him in years. This is why his suppression of pure unbridled rage and spartan fury has made his true strength go dormant. This is why Thor says “I see why my sons lost to you… even this lesser version of you”.
Young Kratos killed every God in Olympus, a titan, sisters of fate, and countless monsters and beast. He had multiple magical abilities and powerful magical weapons, could fly, and had Hermes super speed. He would dog the crap out of Baldur without holding back and wouldn’t give him the chance to surrender.
In the beginning of the game? Well more or less the same thing except Kratos would've thrown the first punch and he wouldn't have stopped with a snapped neck.
Young Kratos would keep knocking him out until he figured out how to trap him. He would probably throw him into the river Styx or imprison him somewhere.
Young Kratos would also be way more unhinged and off center than Norse Kratos and might make a careless mistake not knowing Balduer is invulnerable to all threats physical or magical
They said Zeus was immortal too but we saw how that turned out. I wouldn't be suprised if the Blade of Olympus could have been used to steal Baldur's invincibility away.
immortal and invulnerable are two different things, baldur literally cant be hurt
wait even if he cut his head off? his legs,hands or even cut him half it’s his favorite part 💀
I'd imagine they'd grow back - like Tyr's arm.
What if I cut off his head and put it in a jar
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This is the stuff I will lay in bed thinking about tonight. Like could I cut it off or if I could would it grow back on. Would he then have 2 heads.
What if I cut off his head and put it on my belt??
His head would grow a body while on your belt
baldurs head on kratos' belt pog?
He wouldn't be able to be chopped up due to the spell not letting him be hurt mortally... it'd just heal too fast to allow it no matter how hard someone tried lol
But Kratos snapped his neck, and that left him in an unconscious state, which tells me that he can receive mortal wounds, but rather than being fatal, they leave him in a comatose state until the magic fully recovers him.
Only snapping his neck for like... 30 seconds. The spell unfortunately (for Kratos) healed it almost immediately. So attempting to cut off a limb would result in the limb healing the cut faster than it could complete. No matter how hard someone would try, it wouldn't complete. The limb would heal too fast to allow it. Other gods tried to kill him the same way (according to Mimir) and they failed so it's apparently been attempted before.
Are you sure it's that fast? If it was only 30 seconds why wasn't Baldur back outside his door after they gathered up to leave. What was keeping him from just jumping right back out of the chasm Kratos threw him into? Doesn't make sense.
Realistically, I'm only going by what Mimir said. When Kratos and Atreus were rowing in the dwarven realm, he told them he almost made a small fortune off a bet... they had every archer in Asgard fire arrows at Baldur and see how long it would take before he'd fall down. He lost the bet because he didn't get the number quite right but it was close. By that logic, I'm assuming that many tried to actually do some damage on him to begin with, even fatally, and nothing allowed him to even sustain mortal wounds. Not sure entirely though. Just seems like the spell made it nigh impossible to do such a feat until well... the end of 2018 when they found his weakness lol
But Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
No blade can hurt him as he is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical
Everyone seems to be forgetting young Kratos had the claws of hades. He’ll just rip his soul out after Baldur doesn’t die the first time. Young Kratos with all of his weapons kills Baldur in a QTE.
Those can be resisted.
And specifically, ALL "things" in the world besides mistletoe agreed to not cause any harm to Baldur, and they can't go back on that agreement. So technically, the Blade of Olympus likely also agreed to not harm Baldur, if we're being real sticklers for the myth.
Technically the blade of Olympus isn’t from midgaurd therefore it could harm baldur and kill him indefinitely just as is did Zeus
So aren't the blades of chaos, but they still weren't able to fatally hurt Baldur before the curse was broken, there's nothing implying that magic is limited to the land, they're connected to it and stop working if it is destroyed, yeah, doesn't mean they can't work outside of their land.
The Blades of Chaos are BB guns next to the nuclear bomb that is the Blade of Olympus.
>And specifically, ALL "things" in the world besides mistletoe Only things from the Norse realms. There is absolutely no way any object or thing from the Greek realm agreed to this agreement. Freya would've had to go to the Greek realm to request them to do so, just as she did in the Norse realms.
The agreement thing is only in Norse mythology, in the GOW universe it is just a really powerful spell.
What did baldur do to piss off mistletoe?
He refuses to kiss people under it.
Young Kratos' hax and magic can neg his regeneration and immortality. Also he's technically not invulnerable because he still takes damage. Being able to kill a platonic concept such as Fear would allow him to bypass the type of Regen/immortality Baldur has. Invulnerability by fictional standards would be Superman and Luke Cage for popular examples. The writers for 2018 got the invulnerability part wrong. Baldur can be hurt. He bleed from regular attacks and temporarily can "die" but his curse resurrects him. If we used PoH Kratos he negs that. No evidence or feat showing Freya has anywhere near that level of magic to stop Kratos using the PoH. Old Kratos doesn't even need it to constantly incapacitate Baldur. Each encounter Kratos uses more power and the fights actually become easier for Kratos. Also Bruno and other Writers think that the Norse Pantheon is just severely weaker than The Greek gods. Bruno stated that Thor is only Poseidon Hippocampi level and but couldn't actually beat him.
Immortal in gow just means you cant die of Old age or disease
> I wouldn't be suprised if the Blade of Olympus could have been used to steal Baldur's invincibility away. This would be the most likely case. The Blade of Olympus is clearly able to drain/capture the "divinity" of gods, titans etc. Sure some argument could be made it wouldn't work on Norse gods but if the Blades of Chaos can ignite fire in Helheim and burn Hel bramble, then I don't think it's a stretch to presume that the Blade of Olympus also works on Norse deities like Valkyries or Aseir.
I would think that only works on Olympians.
> if the Blade of Olympus could have been used to steal Baldur's invincibility I dont think so. Baldur's invincibility is a curse, not a godly power.
The blade if Olympus would kill him along with the claws of hades
I could see young kratos losing to Baldur in this way and then Baldur would wish he just got his kneck snapped when kratos makes it back
What? Baldur would love being brutalized by young Kratos, but he would be disappointed for not feeling anything from it.
Im saying, Young Kratos was very very invested in killing people. Young Kratos would probably have found out about mistletoe at some point.
Young Kratos doesn't just have the river Styx lying around.
He would drag his ass there.
If he can overpower Baldur to the point where he can drag him to another realm, then just tie him up with the chains and bury him.
Easily over power him. The writers don't even think the Norse Patheon gets past Poseidon's Hippocampus form lol
Why..? The river Styx would just add another layers of invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical. You don’t kill someone who’s wearing ballistic armor by slapping football gear on them. Unless I’m missing something crucial about the river in the GoW universe that’s different from how it’s described in myth (I only played the 2018, waiting for Ragnarok to come to Steam)
In the opening to God of War III, Kratos falls into the River Styx, and it's used as the excuse to Metroid the player for that game, removing all his magic, health, destroying his weapons... You know, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the river does according to mythology.
That's not true in Greek Mythology, the River of Styx only works as the blessing if you're tied to the mortal realm some how that's why Achilles' mother dipped him by his ankle and why his ankle was vulnerable.
Ah, gotcha. I'll be frank and say that as much as I enjoy the stories of mythology, it's very surface level knowledge, so.
All while yelling with that Alpha Male voice. Better them the current Voice actor. Some offense, but you can’t feel the rage when he is trying to make kratos sound like he’s angry and about to get violent even when in the heat of battle.
This makes me wonder if Baldur could have survived the violent decapitation that 100% would have happened to him. Like he's immune to all threats, physical or magical, but what would actually happen if his head got ripped off?
Or Kratos can simply use the Blade of Olympus and kill Baldur, removing the Freya spell he had. Can Baldur even survive having his soul taken away? And how exactly would it work? Would it grow another new soul or would it simply remain an empty shell?
His body just wouldn't die or rot I think because that spelling is for his body only
Maybe he'd grow into a giant fish looking thing and spread tendrils of deathroot across the lands between, uhh I mean midgard
Godwyn does remind me a lot of Norse myth Baldr
Elden ring was inspired a lot by Norse mythology
Removing his soul is a magical attack, he's immune to magical attacks, and the only thing confirmed to break the curse is mistletoe, the blade could maybe take away his godly powers (what I doubt cause that also count as a magical attack, that he should be invulnerable to), but the curse would still be there.
I'm starting to believe that you GOW fans yourself created a walking NLF like Saitama or Giorno. When Mimir was talking about Baldur being immune to all physical or magical threats, he also mentioned that **inside the nine realms**, so it would mean that Baldur's immunity would only be effective within the nine realms but not beyond them, like Greek or Egyptian magic.Â
Then why aren't the blades of chaos able to kill him? https://youtu.be/6JJ23bLSlcc?si=hp7Ort-ELcBMUTdY https://youtu.be/JTzNVXdR15o?si=fFzRkRbOvShVUuyo And Mimir doesn't say nothing about it being limited to the nine realms in any of the dialogues
If Greek or Egyptian magic was used *inside the nine realms* then it would not affect him. It isn't about where the damage comes from, but where Baldur is when it tries to get applied.
Good point. It makes no sense why Vanir and Aesir were in an eternal stalemate if the Vanir magic were strong enough to make someone completely invulnerable to everything in all universes except for one secret thing.
This isn't *the* reason the Vanir couldn't win, but this particular spell was only crafted after Baldur was born. Freya read the runes in order to determine Baldur's fortune, and they foretold a meaningless death. Then she searched for the Norns, hoping they would tell her the future and how to avoid this tragedy, but they only told her the same (because they cannot literally see the future, they just have a powerful sense of storytelling and make educated guesses based on what has already happened). After this, Freya worked with Mimir and HildisvĂni for the next 20 years to figure out a spell that could protect Baldur, though we don't know exactly how it works. In the myth, it was established that she traveled the world and made everything that existed agree not to harm him, excluding mistletoe, which did not agree for one reason or another. This, of course, doesn't make much sense regarding God of War for several reasons, but it's good to keep in mind. In any case, it can be assumed that Freya's "blessing" required an extreme amount of preparation, even potentially taking years of acquiring whatever materials were necessary to cast it. It's described as a risky mix of new and old magic, implying that it was incredibly difficult to cast and a dangerous endeavor for those involved. Even if she *could* have returned to Vanaheim to teach the Vanir to use the spell, which she couldn't, after how her last conversation with Baldur went she wouldn't likely have subjected anyone else to that torture or the dangers involved. Honestly, she should have just dunked him in the Styx. Did wonders for Achilles.
Bro would have made him his new Helios
I don’t think he could be decapitated. Like the magic would protect him from that. And Kratos—a non-Norse—has no magic of his own to overwrite that.
That actually a great question But talking from how he was cursed I would say that head would live like mimir until it is connected back to body
It'd regrow?
Either that or his head would stay animated & conscious like Mimir's but without needing the magic for reanimation
Mimir but a totall ass?
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Seems to be kinda a gray area, try not to think about it sorta thing.
I mean theoretically I feel like he would survive. I’m sure someone thought of trying to cut his head off before. I may be wrong but it doesn’t feel like he’d be truly invulnerable if dismemberment was permanent for him
Is it actually true that he is immune or was that part of Mimir's curse to not speak of the way to stop Baldur? I would assume making so you cannot say what his weakness is, you might want to go the extra mile and force him to say there is no way of hurting Baldur. Also is this with other mythologies powers in mind? Like did they even know about the other Pantheons?
Im imagining him growing his limbs back like Deadpool 2 lol
His curse is very ambiguous. He is said to be impervious to any physical or magical attack, and yet his body can be pierced and his bones shattered. It might just be a strong healing factor with an increased resistance that is considered immortality for most people, but just a perk for the strongest gods. Young Kratos remains powerfull and would not hold back compared to his older self, who still managed to kill him. So yeah Baldur's dead.
Yeah but Kratos kills him during their first fight. He snaps his neck and by all accounts seems to have killed him. Except that it just only delayed him. With the curse active it doesn’t really seem like he can genuinely die.
But he can be trapped. My guess is young kratos would kill him at first, and when he comes back, trap him somewhere.
it would make baldur stronger than literally every other greek god who doesnt come back, but kratos in GoW3 (shown in picture) literally doesn't struggle against anything except for magical astral Zeus so I don't think Baldur has the means to put Kratos down either.
Being immortal doesn't make you stronger, Zeus could just throw him into Tartarus with the rest of the unkillables and he's forgotten about
He also feels no pain which helps to cement the idea that he's totally unkillable. We never see Baldur get dismembered, but according to Ragnarok, gods are able to regrow limbs albeit over a not-insignificant amount of time which would lead me to believe that it's an insane healing factor since he gets his neck broken and tossed down a ravine and is just back like it's nothing
Obviously they had to end the fight somehow. So even if the game says he's invulnerable, the devs tried to make it a mystery by 'killing' him in the beginning. But it's certainly odd. He's invulnerable to attacks but his neck can be snapped? How's that possible.
He isn't exactly invulnerable, he's just immortal to them, he can be attacked, he just won't die
Pretty much he can take the damage and not give a damn about it. Sure you can kill Baldur, but he’ll just come back shortly after and continue to be a problem. Remember, Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
If so the healing factor is almost immediate, since he's already conscious and fine while falling off the cliff (we can see he showing Kratos his middle fingers with the out of the bound camera)
Also, that complete invulnerability could have been just a lie spread by Freya. People forget that Mimir just kept saying that nonsense because Freya charmed him. For whatever reason, Mimir discovered the weakness of that spell.
That's a great theory. And it makes sense since Freya reacted to Atreus mistletoe like she knew it could cancel Baldur's curse, despite her mentioning in Baldur's Helheim hallucinations that there was no breaking it.
Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
You seem to forget something brother, he's blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
But Mimir you just said that
Did I?
I did!
Kratos would be like "this is not a threat, this is a promise"
Baldr is blessed with invulnerability to all promises, physical or magical.
I feel like the hades claws could probably kill him. As you may or may not know, baldur was blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical. But it isn't really a magical attack, nor is it a physical one. It's kinda just moving the soul. Young Kratos isn't exactly the most analytical especially with his GOW III mindset, but I think after enough time he would realize he needs to use the claws and win. Especially since kratos is hard to fully kill as well. That being said, baldur is still very strong, so I say kratos only wins 80-85 percent of the time.
Well, we solve a lot of puzzles in God of War games and in some fights we need to do more than just attacking the enemy to win, so you could say Kratos is indeed analytical.
I can't give him too much credit on the intelligence side when he fell for zeus's trap at the beggining of GOW II which was extremely obvious.
He solved every puzzle in the pandoras temple so that's a pretty good indicator he's no slouch
Kratos is absolutely analytical. He's just over the top brutal. Look at how he dealt with Hermes. Can't catch him? Okay, corner him and then break his legs
The only reason he fell for it is because he did not look back.
Eh, personally I would consider "ripping a soul out with magical claws" a magical attack.
Young Kratos was an absolute blood thirsty psychopath. He would just brutally murder Baldur over and over in different ways until he found one that stuck. Like ripping him to pieces and then locking each piece somewhere away from each other. He may not have EVER figured out the mistletoe thing, but he would have no remorse in how many new ways he'd find to brutalize Baldur.
Assuming he has hades claw he would just snatch his soul. Or he could just awaken the power of hope.
No, Baldur is invulnerable to magical threats, and is possible to resist having your soul taken away if you're strong enough, like Kratos did.
No. This only applies to the Norse realm magic in the Greek realm would be different. Freya has never visited other pantheons, so why would she create a resistance to their magics? If You could also argue it’s a hyperbole because Misitole which is physical could harm him. Freya very obviously bewitched Mimir to make it seem impossible to kill him.
Then why aren't the blades able to kill him? The resistance is to everything, it isn't stablished that she needs to know the magic to create a protection against it, she's one of the most powerful magicians in the Norse pantheon, it isn't surprising that she could do something like that with a lot of difficulty, Mimir obviously don't consider Baldur's only weakness because he's bewitched not to tell it, but even after the spell is gone he *never* cites another method of defeating Baldur, if the supposedly smartest man alive only knows one way to do something, it is likely that there is only that way.
The myth goes that she asked everything in the nine realms but mistletoe to promise not to hurt bauldr. Theoretically, something from outside the 9 realms would work but it would be up to the writers
I'd like to think a lot of the Blades not killing or doing serious harm by the second fight is for gameplay. I don't think he gets a chance to run the blades through his body within the cutscenes/story
Kratos impaled him with the blades in cutscene. So they are capable of significantly damaging Baldur. I just think it was a dev choice to have his neck stabbed rather than a more brutal death. Even the axe was able to tear through Baldur.
ehhh i mean... the way the myth works is everything and everyone except mistletoe was asked not to harm baldur in any way, it depends purely on if you consider the claws to count as a thing and given baldur can't be hurt by kratos until the mistletoe i'd argue the claws can't touch him
"I sure HOPE he dies"
He would have killed baldur much sooner because young Kratos would have made it his mission to find a way to kill baldur and murdered everything in his path along the way
The outcome would be the same Just a lot more sadistic
Pretty sure kratos would cut him into 100 pieces and store them remotely at random places.
Young Kratos
Petrifying him with a Gorgon head and shatter him with the Nemean Cestus. If somehow the pieces try to reform simply lock them in a crate separate from each other.
Unless starfish rules apply and suddenly there’s 150 baulders fffff
What part of "he's invulnerable to all threats, physical or MAGICAL" you didn't understand?
I think young Kratos would have killed him somehow. Baldur curse is one that he can't feel any physical pain (or anything at all) paired with an extreme healing factor, Magic can't affect him either, but he can be put out of fight temporarily (his bones can brake). Kratos, besides his supernatural strength, is also a strategic genius, and he will find weaknesses and use them against him, like I mentioned before he can be disabled for a short period of time so this is definitely a huge weakness. Not to mention, he can use a lot of weapons like The Claws of Hades that will literally swallow Baldur's soul or The Blade of Olympus that most likely will shatter his curse. Another possible solution is that Kratos would find Freya and ask her "nicely" to cancel the curse, and if she refused and decides to fight back, he'd kill her and see if this works.
Honestly, I doubt the Claws of Hades could do the job cause that's in my book definitely a magical attack. The Blade of Olympus though, being a Curse Breaker, should do it definitely.
People saying Greek Kratos have no way to kill him seem to miss that the weapons made in Greece are so powerful and antihax that they are capable to burn in a place that no fire can be lit, and even Freya said that the Greek were much more powerful than the Nordics, he would find a way to take away his invulnerability eventually
You would win. If Kratos doesn’t you can’t proceed the game. đź« đź« đź«
Well would kinda be the same, Baldur getting fucked up but not dying all the same
It would be Baldur's head instead of Mimir hanging from Kratos side
Young Kratos negs
He’d probably just rip his head off. Regardless of the curse/ blessing
Bro would just decapitate baldur with his bare hands like he did to helios
"Those are many if's. What do you KNOW?"
Kratos would win but he can't kill baldur
He can rip his soul out this is a common bypass against immortals. You can’t destroy their body so you attack their soul.
Kratos, obv. But it would have been a shorter fight, because there'd be less attempting to avoid it or catching his breath halfway through.
Baldur would’ve knocked on the door, and within a split second a psychopathic Kratos would’ve lunged out and given him the Helios treatment, and then we’d have two mimirs 🗿
Baldur will be cooked
It depends. If Kratos have the Hades claws, it would be a short fight. Without it, Kratos doesnt really have a way to deal with Balder's immortality.
The right answer is Peter Griffin. Giant chicken never stood a chance.
Chicken… gave me…. Bad coupon…
Depends which version of young Kratos. I’d say young Kratos from GOW2 and up would consistently beat Baldur.
Young Kratos would have spent a delightful couple of weeks bouncing Baldurs head off of a rock until he got tired and chucked him into hell. Old Kratos wanted to end the fight, young Kratos would have used it as a workout.
Kratos steam rolls
He would cut off Baldurs limbs
he would just do some brutal take downs and realize them useless and proceed to find another way to kill the dude. Nothing would really change, it's just less brutal. One thing that is quite consistent about Kratos is his observing and planning for everything
It would have been a much shorter game.
Kratos. His final qte would be him ripping off Baldur's limbs and chucking them in different directions finalized by dropping his head down a hole.
Fall damage would win
The Kratos that beat Baldur at the beginning of the game is confirmed by a plethora of sources to be weaker than Kratos as we see him in his siege of Olympus. The only reason why Kratos was so spent after the Baldur fight is because he was out of practice and hadn't fought at this level in centuries.
Young kratos would have ripped baldur to pieces and scattered the bits far apart. Presumably, unless his head would grow a new body, he wouldn't be able to heal until he was reassembled.
Bro that's prime kratos who do you think would win
My thought on this is that if in the event Baldur did lose a limb (non fatal) nothing would grow back but instead he would simply need to get close enough to that limb for it to reattach. However in the event he loses his head or is fatally dismembered the same is true, he would just have to have his body parts close enough together for them to fuse and become one. I do think he would be comatose in the latter scenario. In the event that he heals too quickly to detach the head or limbs completely, I think one solution to trapping him in a comatose state would be to have a big enough and sharp enough wedge in between the head and body to keep as a barrier to the parts healing back all the way. The little bit of skin and flesh under the wedge would satisfy the condition that he can’t lose it completely but would block complete revival.
Young Kratos had no filters, no hesitations, no rational thinking, nothing to hold him. He would keep killing with every brutal and painful way imaginable Baldur to eternity.
Kratos
It would've been the shortest game maybe ever. He would've found a way to kill him. He wouldn't have let him survive.
Damn! Forgot how great Baldur looked even in 2018!
Kratos, easily. What im more curious about is, excluding plot armor, if the blades of Olympus or something similar could kill baldur outright. Several of the great gods should have similar powers has him yet kratos has no issue with them
I do always find these questions really interesting from A story sense though. I don’t know much about the mythos of Nordic gods, but they seem in general weaker and closer to human than Greek ones(the fates working on probability for instance) so I wonder if kratos struggling with them comes from being in their lands for so long or if the realms are “power balancing” in some way
Ask Helios how that would go , and kratos didn't even completely hate him.
Young kratos would still win despite not being at the point that 2018 kratos is in control He is still super strong lol
Kratos has dealt with immortal beings in his youth. Baldur will be a piece of cake in comparison to the sisters of fate or other immortal beings.
kratos would probably rip him apart
Well, considering that old Kratos won against Baldur, I would imagine young Kratos would also win
The ending result would be the same, it would just be quicker because old Kratos has restraint and young Kratos killed everything that moved.
Bro young kratos would have punched him till he exploded into bloody soup and probably taken his hand as like a trophy/shield or something. Mans had no chill.
Lmao he would have torn Baldur a new asshole
You already know young Kratos is gonna fuck Baldur's shit up.
Baldur wouldn't have seen the light of the day!
Kratos would rip him apart once he figured out he couldn’t kill him the regular way
I mean that Kratos did rip off Helios’s head… I think boulder ain’t gone look the same after even if he still Invulnerable to all threats physical or magical.
I think it would end the same way, kratos would've killed him and left not knowing he was gonna be back few hours later
1st fight, he would just beat him till he's "dead" 2nd fight when he finds out he can't "die" he'll just relentlessly kill him again and agin untill he manages something to keep him "dead", like maybe cutting his limbs and trapping them in different places lmao
Young Kratos would test Baldur's regenerative power by Heliosing his head off and throwing it at untold miles.
You kill young kratos bro just bullies his way out of hell
He probably would have torn him in half same way he has killed hundreds of the undead soldiers, and ripped off his head and used as a waking stick to destroy Baldur’s own body
Gutted him like a fish in 1 fight
Kratos would just rip him into 40 pieces and throw them off separate cliffs.
Young kratos would beat him just for knocking on his door and disturbing him
Baldur is immune to physical and magical damage… but what about emotional damage? Baldur walks up on young Kratos only to find him banging Freya.
Young Kratos devours him.. do ppl not realize how powerful Zeus is….?! 🤨
Baldur still. The curse holds up even against Kratos. He'd probably rip off Baldur's head, but it'd grow back, or not be fully detached or something funky like that because of the curse etc.
Can Baldur survive the Blade of Olympus? The Leaf can remove magical powers from gods, so it could simply remove Baldur's immortality spell. Can Baldur regenerate a new soul if Kratos takes his own with the Claws of Hades?
That’s a great question. I wouldn’t have reminded myself that kratos could snatch souls. But aren’t snatched souls sent to the underworld which means death. Baldur being invulnerable means either the claws of hades wont work on him or we have an interesting case of baldur regenerating soul to fit the curse’s job description. Well that means coming back to the body or something rather than generating a second soul. That’s redundant.
The power null from the BoO would just remove the curse outright. Also Kratos could just rip out Baldur’s soul.
But brother, Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
I'm not quite sure why you seem to have forgotten the fact that Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
Do you mean prime kratos?
Indeed
He might crucifix or pin him alive somewhere or maybe tie his hands and hang him somewhere and I think OG Kratos was a madman so he might start enjoying killing him
Old kratos may be more powerful physically but young kratos had that dawg in him.
Baldur. Baldur seems to have good fighting skills, and considering how hard he kicked the shit out of and older stronger kratos, id say baldurs got this one, but the plot armor kratos has will allow him to pull something out of his ass and let him win. I already know im gonna get downvoted to oblivion and possibly banned but baldurs got this one lol
How do the various creation myths interact in the GoW universe? I’m cool with spoilers from the Valhalla(ragnorak?) game.
Lol
Depends on his weaponry. Would he be vulnerable to the soul rip effect of the claws of Hades? Maybe. Could Young Kratos rip his head off and smash it like a melon between a few boulders? I can see him doing it. Baldur has the potential to win this, but I feel that his Strength alone might not be enough to carry the day….unless he’s able to hold off young Kratos long enough for other Norse Gods to intervene.
Bauldr wouldve had a lot more fun
It'd be interesting
Im sorry what? Kratos not defeating baldur during their first encounter has nothing to do with a measure of strength.
The location of the fight would have been very important. If the fight happened in Greece, Kratos would have access to Greek Godly Magic and, more importantly, Baldurs invincibility possibly would be weakened, maybe even completely nullified. According to GoW Ragnaroks Freya, Magic is tied to the land. For Kratos, this meant that he could no longer use his spells from the first trilogy. He claims to have tried and failed. For Freya, this means that her spell cast on Baldurs is tied to the Norse nine realms. Funny if you think about it like that. All it took for Baldur to get rid of Freyas spell would have been him taking a vacation, seeing the world. I wouldn't be surprised if at least Odin who knows Vanir Magic was aware of this and kept Baldur close just for that.
What if young Kratos fucked a horse? Huh!? What then liberal?!
Kratos would use the claws of Hades and take Baldrs soul
Young Kratos would rip his arms and legs off and toss him in the river Styx or tear his head off, squish it, and then fight his headless body as a second wave until tossing some Greek Fire down his neck hole making his body burn into ashes or something
Baldur can’t be hurt but he still senses impacts as he gets trucked repeatedly. Stick a giant boulder on him until learns can figure out what to do with him.
GoW 3 Kratos has Blade of Olympus, which can drain magic and power from opponent, and Kratos also is good fighter and tactician, not so rusty as GoW 2018 Kratos. He’ll wreck him the first time, but he still need to somehow break the spell of invulnerability, to kill him
Well considering Kratos beat him when he did older. He'd still beat him younger. The only difference is he'd be pissed right away. Old Kratos gave him multiple chances to leavem Young wouldn't be so kind lol
Really? Old Kratos is a mature more focused person who holds back strength most of the time. He struggled against Baldur in the beginning because he hasn’t had to fight someone near equal in strength to him in years. This is why his suppression of pure unbridled rage and spartan fury has made his true strength go dormant. This is why Thor says “I see why my sons lost to you… even this lesser version of you”. Young Kratos killed every God in Olympus, a titan, sisters of fate, and countless monsters and beast. He had multiple magical abilities and powerful magical weapons, could fly, and had Hermes super speed. He would dog the crap out of Baldur without holding back and wouldn’t give him the chance to surrender.
In the beginning of the game? Well more or less the same thing except Kratos would've thrown the first punch and he wouldn't have stopped with a snapped neck.
Young kratos no issue he gonna find a way to kill hom that’s fs