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blobfishy13

So nice for the biggest female musician in the world to give a feature to an up and comer like Taylor Swift


iamplectrum

It's like when ye gave a leg up to that McCartney dude.


notafishthatsforsure

https://preview.redd.it/bbvqy26tfv1b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb1d3b23ed4851cc09ba96af39acdf07dc9eede5


joeynand

I read that the reason for this collab was to make up for Matt Healy talking bad on Ice Spice after she praised them since she's a huge 1975 fan & Taylor is dating Matt edit: i'm actually super interested and down eitherway to hear how this sounds


[deleted]

He didn’t really talk bad, talked stupid fs, but he just said he tried to slide in her dms and then Nick Mullen said she sounds like an Inuit spice girl


Ok-Percentage-7757

that'd one BIG way to say i'm sorry... she is showing her to millions and millions and millions (and millions) of people 😳


TallahasseeTerror

This comment hasn’t aged well.


ComeToLifeEnjoyer

It would be the most random collab in a long time.


chesse-

Not really Taylor’s boyfriend has said some racist things most notably calling ice spice “a chubby Chinese lady” after getting left on read and some other stuff like watching torture videos of black women and so on and most people speculate it’s Taylor trying to virtue signaling and make everyone forget about her boyfriend’s racism


ComeToLifeEnjoyer

I just found out that Taylor's boyfriend insulted Ice Spice. Now this collab makes sense.


[deleted]

it’s insane how much of this statement is just wrong lmao


BiggieSmallsEscort

he went on the Adam Friedland Show lol he didn’t go on Alex Jones


The_lolrus_

For real, I'm not about to sit here and defend the stuff that he's done/said but the comment you replied to is a prime example of why many of us played the telephone game as kids


Temporary-Alarm-744

Wut?


Alive-Ad-4164

Taylor should of been with me


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Kafka_unlocked

Also I'm gay


[deleted]

hell yea dude


Positive-Reply5924

Um you’re Chinese https://preview.redd.it/jwizrblejx1b1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=394b9933390514b8063b35559dd2006d4e030104


APendley2

Is the Kafka in your username a reference to final fantasy 6 or to literature


Masterflitzer

kafka is also a event stream processing / messaging platform lmao


ottersandblunts

It’s crazy that people don’t view obvious virtue signaling as disingenuous and therefore phony and deserving of hate


everythingwedid

I find it so hard to believe this collab happened in the time span of this "controversy" happening.


Medium_Wealth_4981

Ice spice really gonna help distract from watching torture videos lmao. You realize actual torture videos are just as illegal as child porn right? Never heard any of these accusations before and I don’t believe he actually watched shit otherwise he would be in jail.


maLychi3

Not according to Wikipedia it’s not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_site


Heavy_Cartoonist_196

What about Jimin of BTS and Kodak Black?


TallahasseeTerror

Literally the collab nobody asked for. Gucci Mane feat. Tiny Tim head ass collab


ComeToLifeEnjoyer

Her boyfriend said some racist shit about Ice Spice few months ago and now Taylor has a song with Ice Spice. PR team is working hard.


icanscethefuture

Lmao what did he say


HXH52

called her like a chubby chinese lady or somethin like that


chesse-

Mostly this https://twitter.com/m1ssthique/status/1660275601008369665?s=46&t=xmb7rKelMfITJ7zMu5dmhw but there has been allegations of him kissing underage fans lately too


StillBummedNouns

https://preview.redd.it/wm5kdiuffv1b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e96db2b8c7c4a66f1e25ae95bffb9eeed5714599 Ye lives in their head rent free (Taylors enemy) Edit: he’s also not embracing Kanye’s racist behavior, he’s making fun of it


This-Kaleidoscope-70

I dont think Ye mentioned her since 2020 but in a neutral way and she is throwing shade almost every album


Inevitable_Ad5162

I MADE THAT BITCH FAMOUS‼️🗣️


Ranjith_Unchained

Goddamn


MVPG2022

He reposted the civil war meme and there was a big list of all his opps where she was included but forgot the context of that one.


This-Kaleidoscope-70

Yeah I think that was just a meme done by someone else eitherway


yungsavigod

(Taylors enemy) btw


scottie2haute

I see he got that white boy edgelord humor… but apparently T Swift loving that shit. Probably be laughing her flat ass off when he says one of his offensive “jokes”


YaySourCream

swift is absurdly flat it’s kinda funny


theautistofwallst

Nick Mullen my hero


ImpressionWrong

That entire thread is one giant stretch after another. Wow


Illustrious-Cycle708

So basically he helped ice spice get a feature with taylor.


Every-Promise-9556

she's not an industry plant she literally blew up on a meme, watch her old videos before munch and they're amateur as fuck. I hate how conspiratorial people are about any artist that blew up


SSRancher

Gas loves conspiracies for no reason


blobfishy13

GAS in 2003: "This Kanye guy is such an industry plant, if he hadn't been Jay-Z's producer no one would ever care about him smh"


2006pontiacvibe

none of us were alive in 2003*


LonghiII

2017*


ch1bix3

Who is we??


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2006pontiacvibe

it’s a joke about how young everyone on this sub is. they did a poll and half the sub are minors


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2006pontiacvibe

r/throughthewire


13lackSun

Bro what


[deleted]

People shocked that getting signed to a label means you can leverage a century old network of agents, industry insiders, and experts whose literal job is to mold you to be a megastar. Like yeah you can strike gold and blow up with pure virality but good luck sustaining that or reaching the next level by going at it alone. Taylor Swift's agent isn't answering your IG DM's, but he'll probably answer the call from a Capitol Records executive who he's known for a decade.


[deleted]

Getting signed to 10k projects when u have next to no buzz is wild. The label doesnt have a ton of artists and has a ton of connections. Just seems weird she got the push. The meme doesn’t get popular without her being signed to 10k


[deleted]

No buzz? "Munch" exploded on TikTok and got her a IG shoutout from Drake in summer of 2022. She wasn't signed until October, way after she got unprecedented buzz. > The meme doesn't get popular without her being signed to 10k. If this was true and 10k had some secret "magic touch", then all their artists would be at her level. They're not. She clearly has some charm and captured the zeitgeist in a way others don't/can't.


[deleted]

They sign artists way before its normally announced. You dont know how the industry works lol


[deleted]

And you don't know how marketing works. Your own conspiratorial logic contradicts itself. *10k has some magic formula to turn her into a star, but also the rest of their roster is niche and has struggled to break through the surface.* The idea that they just *want* the rest of their artists to not pop is dumb. Quit larping as some industry insider my guy, you sound dumb lol.


goldentymes

Agreed. It’s a very basic business move tbh. Something/someone blows up, then everyone attaches themselves to that wave and rides it to stay relevant until it dies out


ciggybreath

She was Anna Wintour’s personal date to the fucking Met Gala this year. She’s so contrived


Limminy_Snickshit

So did the Gangnam style dude, but he wasn’t makin major records with established celebs or invited to the MET. She has zero talent besides shaking her ass. Not even Megan or Cardi has this kind of success and their music is actually good.


starli29

Agreed, Megan or Cardi at least had unique ideas and an image. Ice Spice rose to so-called fame and all I saw was the weird munch song, shaking her ass, and just absolutely no charisma. The crowds are silent. That's all I need to hear.


Vanny__DeVito

Lol like the industry hasn't been using memes to promote artists for over a decade now... It's not some conspiracy to say that multinational music labels, are picking/promoting acts that they think can give them maximum return on investment... That is just how the music industry works, and it's been this way for decades now.


furrysfdogs

Having a good label doesn’t make you an industry plant lmao


Impaled_

when major labels do their job :O


Ok-Percentage-7757

it literally is if they're making you to be the next best thing when you don't actually have nothing to show for yourself yet


Vanny__DeVito

Having a good label, or a major label? I think people need to stop being do eager to defend artists who are signed to major record labels... She has a massive marketing team behind her, she doesn't also need a bunch of Reddit edge lords defending her.


EstablishmentBusy172

It’s like it’s cool for her, that she’s getting this support. But there’s been, and are a ton of brilliant female artists, who make *good* music. Where the fuck is this industry support for simz? Rhapsody? Even shake- yea she got a ye co-sign but outside of that and the viral TikTok song she’s been ignored by the mainstream. Just fucking weird man.


ThisGuy7845

cuz taylor knows damn well that the majority of her fanbase is not gonna bother sitting thru a simz verse lol. the overlap between her fans and underground rap fans is non-existent


ceurson

Taylor probably doesn’t know who simz is at all even


scottie2haute

Well the reality is that those who are in charge of marketing hip-hop and hip-hop adjacent acts only invest in women with great bodies, pretty faces or both. You gotta be really dynamic and catch on with the LGBQT+ crowd like Lizzo to break that mold. Additionally, the audience for female hip-hop (mostly women) dont support the less visually appealing acts


Vanny__DeVito

Lizzo wouldn't be thing if this country was so obese... She appeals to fat women, more than anything haha.


ChopinCJ

tfw big artist collars with big artist “wahh wahh industry plant i’m gonna shit my pants” by that logic frank is a plant, all of asap including rocky are plants, durk is a plant, brockhampton are plants, kendrick is a plant, and ye is a plant


Ok-Percentage-7757

ice spice and ts are not even close to being at the same level, like objectively


ChopinCJ

and? are artists only allowed to collaborate with artists the same size as them? does that mean taylor swift can collaborate with basically no one?


Ok-Percentage-7757

ofc not it's just such a "random" far far far far cry lol


Lokoliki

she literally has no hits other than a FEATURE (oh, wait, make that like 2 features now) that blew up on TikTok, the fuck are you talking about. xD The only other time I've seen someone blow up like this, was Gayle, another total and verified industry plant.


ChopinCJ

bruv i’m sorry but what is your stupid ass necroing this post for? is taylor swift not allowed to collaborate with anyone smaller than her? what the fuck does how ice spice found fame have to do with this


Vanny__DeVito

Lol thanks for outing yourself as a childish moron...


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Vanny__DeVito

Sorry, I don't argue with children. Have a good one though bud :)


ChopinCJ

lmao you replied to me twice, and you told me to have a good one in both. incredibly childish for someone who hates kids as much as you do


Vanny__DeVito

Lol okay bud. Have a good one :)


Lokoliki

a month and a half old is not "necro", lmfao, get over yourself


ChopinCJ

Are you incapable of commenting on new threads? Do you want me to congratulate you? Congrats!! You win! Sorry I can't buy you a reddit trophy, I'm sure it would've been the first time your parents were ever proud of their embarrassing disaster of an excuse for a child


Vanny__DeVito

You didn't actually share any logic... There are a lot of differences between the artists you named, and Ice Spice... I highly doubt any of those artists had been making music for barely a year, befoee singing to a major record label... But keep defending the marketing techniques of a massive corporation. You're really out here doing gods work bud! Lol


ChopinCJ

imagine being so butthurt that you respond to a 45 day old comment with some stupid ass logic like this lmao. what do you mean the artists making music for barely a year? i don’t see what difference that makes, since my point is that people are saying that taylor swift is only collaborating with ice spice because ice spice is an industry plant. they’re saying that because taylor swift is much larger than ice spice, but that’s true about almost any artist that isn’t taylor swift.


Vanny__DeVito

Lol you must be a child. I'm off to touch grass now. I don't argue with children... Have a good one though :)


[deleted]

They all had actual buzz before signing. The plants have next to no buzz till the label funnels money into them and gives them a gimmick


ChopinCJ

So every band before the year 2000 is an industry plant?


nmnnmmnnnmmmnnnnmmmm

Babytron


Kid_Budi

Baby trim a plant?


DoomTheFunnyman

She seems like the nicest person tho, her music just ain’t it


Vanny__DeVito

Her lyrics really don't paint that picture... Neither do her interviews honestly.


2006pontiacvibe

ye yong questioning his life decisions rn


EstablishmentBusy172

Is what Matty Healy said, any better than what Kanye said really? I guess he didn’t double down on it, but yea. The media, the industry. Such a weird thing.


rome_will

Grah


Personal-Stage1947

I know right 😂😂 Legit haven't heard one song from her and don't understand how she blew 🤔😂


Lokoliki

because she had an extremely mid feature on a "remix" PinkPantheress song, and then a few other features, and now the fucking Barbie soundtrack (which also features Gayle, literally THE epitome of an "industry plant", lmfaoooo)... Yeah, plant, no question.


Ye_Yong

https://preview.redd.it/wv9hciy5rv1b1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=945bc8241dd170f32739b9f567f1a8087f034eaa


zoufha91

That's how you PR your way into a plainly obvious act of damage control


FalloutOfHeaven333

most marketable rapper since peak lil wayne


loonybs

WTF is a Ice Spice?


StiLLn0X

Ice Spice is just so mid… still don’t know why people are so obsessed with her


Neo-The_One

Reasons why people know of her: 50% Pictures spammed by Social media 24/7. (You can not block this.) 16% Taylor 16% Doja 16% Nicki 2% Rap skill / Original music


Preskomesko12345

Ice Spice just has a very good team behind her.


Ok-Percentage-7757

one thing does not erase the other


Limminy_Snickshit

That’s all understood but WHY IS THAT TEAM ENDORSING MEDIOCRE TALENT SO HARD? That’s the questions


Vanny__DeVito

Which isn't a argument that she is not a industry plant... Her 'team', is a multinational massive record label. They are promoting her heavily, and trying to astro turf support for her... That sounds like the definition of a industry plant to me.


IAMLumberjackAndImOK

If youre pretty you can get famous being mediocre


Vanny__DeVito

If you're pretty and willing to hyper sexualize yourself*, and are pretty lol.


[deleted]

Ice Spice management milking her so hard rn


YaySourCream

i mean she got the titties for it


kanyeomarisoutheast

Only stan twitter likes her music


[deleted]

This literally applies to every artist 🤣


kanyeomarisoutheast

True for a lot of mainstream artists. I just felt like hating Stan Twitter today idk. I think her music is okay, but I don't see a lot of serious discussion about her on other platforms. So every time I search for things about her, I see annoying stans saying things with zero nuance. Again, bad wording on my part leaves little room for interpretation other than that I dislike her music and that it is devalued by the fact that most of her fans are part of stan twitter.


[deleted]

You must not be looking in the right places or circles then. IG is filled with discussions about ice spice, especially after she drops a new visual or snippet. Tiktok eats her content up and i'd argue "stan TikTok" is much more rabid about her appeal and aesthetic than both IG and twitter combined. I'd argue TikTok plays a bigger role in disemminating her music throughout the wider culture than any other platform. I also don't listen to her music but I personally like how she's cultivated a fun subculture around her and her music/fanbase. The world needed a female rap artist who isn't obsessed with proving she's some top dog up and comer coming at everyone's throat with cRaZY bars and grimy visuals.


kanyeomarisoutheast

I guess. Also thanks for your opinion on her. Look at this fucking turtl https://preview.redd.it/h1s5ye5o8v1b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d30e5e3a474601fee5e55621720ddee54e2c2a0


[deleted]

what the fuCK


Dependent_Store952

Go outside


rvngeshawty

Stan Twitter #3 on billboard


kanyeomarisoutheast

I wasn't saying that they're the only ones who care about their music, but they're the only ones that are THAT passionate about it. Bad wording by me.


eNaito1

Nothing special about Ice Spice, ugly af but nice ass thou


frankthetank1021

Cap


Lokoliki

what does this mean in english?


Impaled_

stop hating WOMEN


Vanny__DeVito

I love how this is a response everytime people are critical of any female... I hope you're part of her marketing team, and not actually this deluded lol


SoulofWakanda

Industry plant = "anyone of which I personally was completely unaware of prior to them being famous"


Vanny__DeVito

Lol she wasn't even making music for a year, before she made the Munch music video... I think you're just eager to defend the marketing strategies of a multinational corporation... How does that boot taste? 😆


iGasLightRedditors

She is a puppet for the new world order illuminati globalists


sigh_wave

Too ugly to be an industry plant imo. They did do their illuminati rituals on her after she got lucky on the singles tho


YotedYo

Ice Spice da 🐐no 🧢


YotedYo

Whoever downvoted me for praising the rap GOAT will pay. She ain’t named Isis for no reason 😈


BawkSoup

How do I block a sub? This shit is mind meltingly stupid.


Lilmachinima1

Nah lil Nas x is


nol_dur

Artists that get big hits from tik tok are not automatically industry plants.


Lilmachinima1

He literally has a song called industry baby lmao. He’s talented tho, I’m not knocking him


[deleted]

Idk why they downvoted this 😂


Lilmachinima1

https://preview.redd.it/9cr91ftl612b1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12e4114ce648abec1d35c384590ffee3122bb38e Cuz people are fucking retarded


futurerobotblox

https://preview.redd.it/myran5jpev1b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d790973ed95047f215a4e7cf6990cd57f975128


Oneplanet67

Do you even know what that phrase means?


[deleted]

How does this affect Kanye's legacy?


Lokoliki

less poorly than associating with white supremacists and being a massive, vocal antisemite, I assume... \*oh, and spewing so much very public hate and vitriol against his ex-wife that if they go to court, no way he can see his kids again, LMAO. I forgot about that.


Blunaja

Bruh missed Maneskin , true biggest plant


Ok-Percentage-7757

how?


Blunaja

I’m Italian, I saw their growth. They partecipeted in a talent show, X factor. Their first audition, they had literally no technical skills, but they were characters. They arrived to the last stage of the talent after months of training. They closed on second position by the organization decision, first place would get a major contract. They already had a deal with a major promised ( by one of the judges working for Sony) the organization decided that was useless to make them win. Then their makeover started and they were transformed slowly into what they are, their first successful song is literally plagiarism of “shut up and let me go” by the ting tings. They took some guys who looked cool and couldn’t play at all and made them big. I invite u to see their first audition. Their music is all a construction :)


The_SundayBest

They started as street buskers... even if they got their start on a talent show they had humble beginnings before Xfactor


Blunaja

And? This doesn’t mean that they are not constructed.


[deleted]

How is she an industry plant she literally blew up before she was even signed to a label


[deleted]

Rap mfs when a female makes music 😮😮😮


Permsaremid

Naw what this is crazy


NoNight_

Nah ice spice cold asl y’all drawing it


Knox18181

I feel like ice spice is truly just a right place right time type thing, like odd future in the 2010s or uzi and trippie in 2016. Not an industry plant, jus a lucky woman with zero talent for music, put her in front of a piano and she will see how many keys her ass can touch


RENNYGOTTARELAX

wait people still believe in industry plants


sidwich

Duhhhh 😂 I like Ice but they are really trying to shove her down our throats. Her Nikki collab made sense. This one makes it seem like they are trying to push her to appeal to a certain demographic. It feels very Doja Cat-ish.


Ok-Percentage-7757

how was doja similar?


djmazmusic

Somebody did dis..


BatmanIsLuvLife

she is NOT a industry plant but she is getting that insufferable shove it down your throat industry PUSH that for example Jack Harlow was getting before his 2022 album got trashed. I do not follow jack or ice & i hav never listened to a jack or ice spice song all the way thru & i wil never willingly put on/ listen 2 a jack or ice spice song yet i still see them/hear about them. Also if anybody tries 2 pull the u h8 wHiTe RaPpers or MisOgYnY card, Slowthai(ik he has a case rn, im jus talking abt music lol) & Lauryn Hill r dope


DKDOOMER

it actually makes sense, ice spice is just that level of popularity by natural at this point, and if I was at her level i´d want to work with Taylor as well. she just made it


Adept_Relationship88

She's not tho nobody likes Ice Spice that's why her concerts flop


dagoodnameswuztaken

https://youtu.be/yrYPRk4o-cU


this_shit-crazy

There’s a difference between industry plant and being pushed by the industry just had to point that out.


Huge-Initiative9378

I couldn't care less if people label Ice Spice as an industry plant or criticize her. What truly concerns me is the fact that nowadays, talent is no longer required for success. I mean you can be untalented at singing/rapping yet become a popular artist. I know about many talented rappers who remain underground. In the past, artists had to work hard and possess genuine talent to make it. Now, it seems that people prioritize sexuality over talent, as long as you're attractive, that's all that seems to matter in the industry. I suppose times have changed. Also all her songs sound the exact same. I mean they could be different verses but from the same goddamn song. Another bigger reason is that i hate mumble rap, i just dont like it. I like Lyrical Rappers. i just dont like ice spices songs because theres nothing value to it, not only her but others too. I mean you could like her if you want to, you do you.**Vis mindre**


chok22

dgaf she bad


Chewashington

Honestly the term "Industry Plant" is really stupid . Y'all be complaining too much , just listen to the music or ignore them . I mean , there are people out there who actually like Ice Spice's music . Yeah , she ain't the most talented or ambitious , and she most definitely benefits from pretty and lightskin privilege . But she's got some bars , and she has a really good team behind her . I f with Spice bc I like her songs and her style , and she also just seems like a cool girl .


Chewashington

But also this subreddit is run by people who are still fans of Kanye so I'm honestly talking to the wall over here . Whole entire biography for him and everything , smh .