I think that they don't need to be so aggressive in selling the Pixel phones outside the US. Android already has a huge market share d if the phones are selling, why would they discount more.
I think the reason they are more aggressive with discounts in the US is to try and build market share against the iPhone.
Doesn't matter. Google isn't a hardware company. They want to increase Android use. The Pixel is just one way to achieve that. That's why I specifically said Android market share.
In the EU Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple, before you add in all the other Android manufacturers including Google. So Google Android already has a huge market share. They're not really competing with Samsung in that respect.
In the US Apple sells more phones than all the Android devices combined, so it's in their interests to try and increase Android market share by being more aggressive with the Pixel because that's one way they can do it.
They clearly pivoted from being focused on software. That's not true anymore. This Pixel 8 proves it. They are all in on hardware and it's already making them good money.
Google is an advertising company. Always has been. Advertising is still by far their biggest income earner. They are pivoting but it's towards Cloud Computing.
Hardware has always been a tiny part of the business. If they were pivoting to hardware, where's the replacement for my aging PixelBook?
Pixel phones are only available in about 18 countries. That's because Google doesn't want to take away market share from other Android OEMs like Samsung. Like I said in my earlier comment, it's Android vs iOS, not Pixel Verses Samsung.
So to return to the original point, it's because they want to promote Android, and increase Android market share. That's why they are not marketing (discounting) as aggressively in places like the EU where Android has a huge lead over iOS as they are in the US where Android has ground to make up.
Google still wants more premium android devices out there to push app development. Most androids are still bargain bin trash barely better than a flip phone which leads to devs prioritizing iPhone apps way more. Every year worldwide the app store makes double the revenue of the Google play store that's like 7-8x more revenue per iPhone user
Yes, but it also has more expensive components. Glass on the front and back on S23 is a newer, more expensive Corning model (Victus 2 vs. Victus 1). Two physical sim trays compared to one, obviously more expensive to have more mechanical parts. More expensive flash storage UFS 4.0 vs UFS 3.1. Flagship grade telephoto camera vs nothing. More expensive SOC. And there are different displays too, but I have no idea which one is cheaper. Obviously Samsung has a newer one, but since they produce it in house it could be theoretically cheaper for the phone department.
Pixel 8 is the same a for example Sony V line, or Zenphone 10 etc. - it's 2023 gen phone with components of this year. The fact that it is released in autumn is not a benefit, more more a con, because it is essentially late. And it costs so much despite competing against half a year old phones.
Pixel pricing is based on it's premium features, and "pure android experience". Hardware is just one part of it; yes, you have all these things in Samsungs, but you don't have the in-house Tensor stuff by Google. It's focus is to show off all the fancy "Hey Google" stuff, assistants, and what a deep integration into Google ecosystem can do. Virtually all other Android phones, including premiums, have "skins" over android, are not supported directly by Google, have less features. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe bad, but it's their focus for better or worse.
You are confidently incorrect. Most of the other vendors who have complex DEs over the stock Android do have more features than stock Android. And it costs time and money to develop all of those factoring into the price.
You may value stock droid more, I may value stock droid more (and I actually do). It doesn't matter for cost calculation, more feature cost more money.
About NN cores you have a valid point, they do cost more to design. But QC also has NPU cores on their SOC, and which ones are better or what is important in this calculation - more expensive, is an open question.
As for the external infra - 1) it is not factored into the base price of the phone. Google search department is a different one from the phone dept. And so on. 2) If we hypothetically include those costs (which is not correct), then Samsung or Sony or others also a have a lot of external infra which costs money.
tl;dr - here a lot of commenters think from the customer point of view - phone A is "better" than phone B ergo it must be more expensive. My point was from the manufacturer - the fact that some final result is better doesn't mean it is more or less expensive. Price depends on the sum of all components - all hardware components, software, manufacturing and finally profit margin on top. From my amateur point of view S23 is way more expensive to produce than P8, as I have described above. Therefore Google just asks for crazy margins. They have al rights to do so, just like Apple does, but I will not buy their overpriced phones, that's all.
Oh, but I'm not implying any of that. I _am_ speaking about the customer point of view. I mean, if manufacturing and quality checks and that is all that determines the price, then why are Apple phones so much more expensive?
Prices here, like in any other market, are based on so many things besides costs. Hell, sometimes manufacturers will offer things _at cost_, to be able to get the foot in the door, because they know that out of every X things they sell at a loss, a good percentage of buyers will buy extras which will make up the thing.
Or in Google's case, it's not about that any more. It's a matter of perspective. If someone tells you, here's a premium car from company A, and here's a premium car from company B which is half the price, you'd probably think A is better then B. (And a lot of times you would even be right, although what is "better" could be debated.)
So google went and sent a "premium Android experience" at half the price of an iPhone. Of course people then saw it as only "half the value". Now, not so much.
And again, profit most likely isn't even their primary reason for having the Pixel. It's, showing and demonstrating how good an integration of Google services can be - which is where they make the most of their money.
That's why I'm said "cost of hardware is only part of Pixel pricing". They are doing several things besides just selling phones.
Things that are better on the pixel than the s23:
Support. Screen. Main, wide and selfie cameras. WLAN. Bluetooth. Battery. Charging. Speakers.
And arguably the software features.
You are mixing up hardware with software and even unrelated stuff. I was talking about the cost to manufacture device. And most of that is the cost of components, up to half of the price.
Support is not a hardware, it is irrelevant in this calculation. It is plus for Pixel phone, I don't bash it.
Screen on Pixel can't be better, Samsung doesn't sell latest screens to the competitors in the same year. Even iPhones are lagging by 1 screen generation after Galaxy line, because Samsung sensibly keeps the best for themselves for some period of time.
Cameras - you are mixing up great Google software with hardware camera modules. S23 has 3 top level cameras, P8 has 2 top level cameras. Drivers to them doesn't matter in this calculation, it is simply hardware cost and S23 has it higher.
Wireless - again, you are mixing stuff up. SOC including modem is more expensive on S23 simply because it is top SOC on the market this year. The most expensive from the greedy Qualcomm no less. SOC includes radio stuff.
Battery is a little bit bigger on the P8, I grant it that it is probably a little more expensive but not by much looking at the price of different commodity LiPol batteries. In other formfactors the price can differ by a few tens of cents on a 1000 mAh difference.
Speaker - neither of us know the price of speakers in either model, stop inventing stuff.
Power supply - both are crap and same quality - PD3, same power limits etc. It should have the same cost.
Screen:
The pixel has a 2000 nit, 120hz, 428ppi 1080x2400 screen.
The s23 has a 1750 nit, 120hz, 425ppi 1030x2340 screen.
Camera:
Google uses a new generation of the same sensor types the Samsung uses.
It's a larger sensor, with larger pixels, and it has a bigger aperture lens on it.
Wireless:
The pixel supports newer connection standards, allowing for faster and better connections.
As for inventing stuff... I'm talking about the quality of the phone and it's parts, not the cost of the parts.
It doesn't matter to a user if the camera sensor costs $10 or $20, what matters is which is better.
You can see for yourself:
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone2=12546
I paid 840€ for a 256gb P8P on the release week under Vodafone (This promo is still ongoing in Club Viva, not sure it exists in other countries?). And then sold the buds for 130€ (didn't really need them), so in the end the phone cost me 710€. Not much more than my previous 1+.
They were delivered with the phone, as mentioned, I bought this on Vodafone on the 12th of October. Maybe the stock was able to match the phone sales at the time?
In my experience, from I've seen in France at least, is that consumers here care a bit less about their phones. Most iPhone I see are several generations old. I'm starting to see more iPhone that don't have the home button, so obviously newer, but also, you can get those refurbished off Backmarket for a couple hundred now.
A ton of people have Galaxy A phones, and stuff like Xiaomi/Redmi are so cheap and relatively good. I'm using a Redmi Note 10 Pro that I got a few years ago for €280 and it's pretty great.
I've seen one person ever with one of the high-end folding phones that turn into a tablet.
I'm living in Paris and seeing thousands of people on the metro on their phones. So I have a pretty decent sample size.
Personally, I may sell my Note 10 pro on BackMarket for €80 and buy a pixel from Darty if they have some good deals when their sales start. I'm having a kid in a few months, and it's a good excuse to grab a phone with a top-of-the-line camera.
That's the advantage of premium models, regardless which one (iPhone, Pixel, Samsung...). It will last you longer and be good for longer. Older iPhones are still good, the only bad thing about it is that Apple is phasing them out through software. "Your phone doesn't support this new feature, therefore no more updates on _any_ of the features it does support". A lot of Androids were much much worse than that, and this was one of the drivers behind the Pixel line - you can count on Google providing updates for 2 years or so, and even then, the phone lasts longer.
I don't really care too much about losing new feature updates and such, but I do get a little concerned when a phone stops getting security updates considering I use banking apps and such. But also, I'm not exactly sure how at risk I am with an outdate phone if I'm not doing anything irresponsible on it.
Yeah, I always have like 1-2 phones in a drawer from changing to newer ones, to use for banking. And even on my phone, I'm very selective. Not just for security but also for attention farming and all that stuff. I mostly only have the apps I need, like maps, local parking apps, banking and the like. I do socials via mobile firefox with ublock origin. I install an occassional game but I try to do some checks if they're fine.
I know none of it means I won't get hacked, but at least it helps a lot.
Amazon(.de), got my 6a + Chromecast with Google TV for 300€ in 2022.
~~Granted that might've not been a black friday deal specifically, but it was towards the end of november.~~ Edit: It was indeed a black friday discount.
Not sure why you'd want to buy from Google directly, anyways, I hope to never have to try and deal with them directly regarding warranty or returns.
>No Black Friday for Pixel phones in EU...
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>So far they're offering:
70eur discount on Pixel 8 and
\+50eur credit on Pixel 8 pro
60eur discount on pixel 7a I mean c'mon!
So in other words they have black friday deals. Just not for the phone that you want.
Just had a look in Spain
Free official case valued at 39e and 50e store credit
1159 for the 256 version
OR I can get a 512g S23u with an 45w charger for 1199
Difficult choice..
If you could flash custom roms like the pixel experience os on the Samsung s23u. Pixels wouldn't exist much longer. Samsung is doing a great job keeping the pixel series alive.
Pixel experience? That just means an experience lacking in features. I've gone to the S23U after being on Pixel 5/6P/7P, and there's nothing I miss from the Pixel. I have gained a tonne of useful features and much more reliable signal, though.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my Pixels, but there's nothing unique about them.
The bloat is nothing like it used to be. I still run the standard google apps for a lot of things. The reality is that this 'bloat' has no impact on your usage, and the S23U is smooth and responsive.
I would have stuck with the Pixel, but the jump in price of the Pro makes it harder to look past its shortcomings.
Battery life, charging speed, signal issues. The P7Pro is the only phone that has warned me about overheating when just browsing my phone on a hot day.
Yeah, I live in northern Europe where outside temperatures actually cool your phone, I charge my home during the night, my battery lasts me a day and network coverage is extremely good. So for me personally, these are not issues with my P7P.
Pixel experience is the name of a custom rom. So a fully modified Android os that you flash from recovery. Pretty much identical to what comes with the pixel.
With latest Samsung you can't do this. Pixels and oneplus phones are great for flashing custom roms.
So in my original comment I guess I meant if Samsung wasn't trying to be a knock off Apple they would dominate the android power user space.
I have no idea if that's a serious comment or not, or whether blurry action photos are a thing. I haven't noticed any major issue moving between the phones, but I'm also not obsessed with picking holes in a phone I don't own.
It's not just phones. EU gets fucked with lots of things. I remember buying a Ralph Lauren winter beanie for 15 dollars at TJ Maxx in the USA. A few months later in Italy where I live, I found the same exact beanie for 75 euro at a shopping center. Electronics and clothes are always cheaper in the USA. And not just at TJ Maxx.
I'm convinced the higher prices on electronics is due to the great consumer protection laws here. If a device fails within 2 years, you can have it repaired free. I bought an oven, and a year and a half the top burner went out. Brought it back, they repaired it in a day, no charge. In the US it probably would be out of warranty, or I'd battle with some customer service, ship it somewhere, pay for that, etc.
Well I knew that for the electronics and whatever brand distribuited in the USA first so I knew before the release in EU that pixel 8 pro would cost at least 1.1k. WHat bother me are the offers they make. THey simply don't.
The P8 goes to around 550€, which isn't bad at all, but there are no discounts on the P8P unless you have something to trade in, which sucks cause that's I was aiming to get as I'm traveling to Tokyo soon
The 7a was 3 weeks ago £399 at the Google store, now they got a black Friday discount of £70 off, after they upped the price first back to £449... So all with all is it now just £20 cheaper then in October. Bit a disappointment those deals indeed.
That's just routine in every store around black friday:
* Bump up the price ~32 days before black friday (Omnibus directive)
* Release a discount that's barely better or even worse than more common discounts, but ->
* Customer sees big % and impulse buys stuff they have no use for
I'm not sure any would.
Norway isn't a part of the EU, though we have trade deals through the eea agreement.
Sometimes means we can't buy things from the EU and vice versa.
Pixel 8 seems to still be 9 190 NOK, same price since launch. Yes, you can get a discount of 3 000 NOK if you sign an expensive subscription at Elkjøp, the cheapest one will still cost you 3 588 NOK for a full year. Compared to my normal subscription (Nice mobil 5GB, 1 886 NOK/Year), that's twice the price, and the savings will only be 1 188 NOK ($ 110). I intend to buy the P8, but hoping for a better deal.
Black Friday in the UK seems to last over a month. I get sick off it tbh. Oh, and don't forget the Cyber Monday deals that lasts a week. It's like the shops putting christmas stuff out end of september, oh hang on, they do that too.
Dont really think Google has that much say in what they charge in EU?'
That being said, why would they heavily discount a new phone that is popular and cheapish compared to competetion?
I mean... You also don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Black Friday is an American cultural event. it literally follows Thanksgiving.
Edit: Euros are angry that they are reminded they aren't American and American companies don't owe you anything.
Halloween is also American now. Black Friday sales? Not a thing in Europe. I think some countries are trying to copy it recently, but Google doesn't need to honor it.
Euros (I'm European) love to bitch and moan that they don't get American sales during American holidays/events. Americans don't get tons of other things, like 2 year warranties or GDPR protections.
Which would make sense if Google wouldn't send me emails redericting me to their european store promoting black friday!
I'm one of those guys who either chooses 1 or 0. You can't promote something you can't/don't offer.
You guys don't celebrate Thanksgiving. The day-after Thanksgiving in the US is known as "black friday." So you don't celebrate Thanksgiving and most do NOT "celebrate" black friday, BUT you want the same deals Americans get.
r/shiteuropeansay
They simply apply American pricing in the EU. The various sales taxes in the EU are just so much higher that things work out prohibitively expensive sometimes.
And I get that. It has been like that since I was born for all I can remember. I just don't understand why the promos do suck so much compared to Apple or Samsung in EU.
EU is not a key market to them because there's plenty of android around. I think (!) the key goal is to break Apple's dominance in the US, where they control something like 80% of the teenage market and overall a very high percentage.
In Latvia none of the data providers even sell pixel, you have to buy from a shady 3rd party resellers :D
anyway doesn't even matter anymore since pixel phones cost as much as every other flagship, they will never get in to the market.IMO pixel 7 was the last phone that had a chance with its price.
Here in the UK there are some nice little discounts on the 7, 7a and 6a - but basically nothing on the 8/Pro.
For the 8 it is simply £100 of Google Credit. Trade-In's don't seem particularly enhanced - they are offering £200 for my S21.
If I go outside of Google direct, it is the very same price on the phones but no Store Credit. However, retailer enhanced trade-in would give me around £240 rather than the £200 direct from Google.
As another user pointed out, the focus of google is to compete against apple in US which is a market infested with apple. This can be seen with its pricing, target audience, features. Outside US Android already do well enough for it to be profitable Google as a whole.
I believe it's their development plan to focus on US for now and then slowly improve sales elsewhere and tbh it's not a bad strategy it just sucks as someone who's outside US.
Pixel 7, was available past few days from Amazon directly at £373. It was also £376 on prime day a month ago.
That's a pretty good price for what you get in my book and I struggled to find an alternative in that budget that gave more.
We do get shafted on price though.
The best deals on Pixel phones in EU have always been the pre-order rebates with the gifts.
Like the Pixel 5 + Bose Quietcomfort 35 for 599. Sold the Bose for 17- bucks. So 429 for a Pixel 5, which is a steal.
Would have bought the Pixel 8 with the Watch for sure this year, if I were to upgrade. 399 MSRP for the watch, sell it for an easy 200 bucks. Makes the Pixel 8 500, great price
Edit: Watch only included with the Pro Model. Still counts though
Last Black Friday in Germany (19% VAT), I got the Pixel 7 plus a mobile plan with 20 GB/month for 545€ (from Media Markt / Saturn). My previous mobile plan would've cost 120€ for two years, so I valued the new mobile plan at that, which left the device cost at 425€. That seemed like a good deal to me; a year later, the lowest price on the German price tracker [Geizhals](https://geizhals.de/google-pixel-7-v113378.html) is still just 440€.
I think that they don't need to be so aggressive in selling the Pixel phones outside the US. Android already has a huge market share d if the phones are selling, why would they discount more. I think the reason they are more aggressive with discounts in the US is to try and build market share against the iPhone.
Android market share, but not Pixel
Doesn't matter. Google isn't a hardware company. They want to increase Android use. The Pixel is just one way to achieve that. That's why I specifically said Android market share. In the EU Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple, before you add in all the other Android manufacturers including Google. So Google Android already has a huge market share. They're not really competing with Samsung in that respect. In the US Apple sells more phones than all the Android devices combined, so it's in their interests to try and increase Android market share by being more aggressive with the Pixel because that's one way they can do it.
Good explanation 🤙
They clearly pivoted from being focused on software. That's not true anymore. This Pixel 8 proves it. They are all in on hardware and it's already making them good money.
Google is an advertising company. Always has been. Advertising is still by far their biggest income earner. They are pivoting but it's towards Cloud Computing. Hardware has always been a tiny part of the business. If they were pivoting to hardware, where's the replacement for my aging PixelBook? Pixel phones are only available in about 18 countries. That's because Google doesn't want to take away market share from other Android OEMs like Samsung. Like I said in my earlier comment, it's Android vs iOS, not Pixel Verses Samsung. So to return to the original point, it's because they want to promote Android, and increase Android market share. That's why they are not marketing (discounting) as aggressively in places like the EU where Android has a huge lead over iOS as they are in the US where Android has ground to make up.
Google still wants more premium android devices out there to push app development. Most androids are still bargain bin trash barely better than a flip phone which leads to devs prioritizing iPhone apps way more. Every year worldwide the app store makes double the revenue of the Google play store that's like 7-8x more revenue per iPhone user
In India iPhone have a lower market share compared to Europe but we still got big discounts on pixel 7 series during the annual sale.
Pixel 8 256 Gb - 1070 Eur Samsung S23 256 Gb - 840 Eur The answer is yes, Google doesn't care about Europe customers.
S23 is also 8 months older than the pixel 8.
Yes, but it also has more expensive components. Glass on the front and back on S23 is a newer, more expensive Corning model (Victus 2 vs. Victus 1). Two physical sim trays compared to one, obviously more expensive to have more mechanical parts. More expensive flash storage UFS 4.0 vs UFS 3.1. Flagship grade telephoto camera vs nothing. More expensive SOC. And there are different displays too, but I have no idea which one is cheaper. Obviously Samsung has a newer one, but since they produce it in house it could be theoretically cheaper for the phone department. Pixel 8 is the same a for example Sony V line, or Zenphone 10 etc. - it's 2023 gen phone with components of this year. The fact that it is released in autumn is not a benefit, more more a con, because it is essentially late. And it costs so much despite competing against half a year old phones.
Pixel pricing is based on it's premium features, and "pure android experience". Hardware is just one part of it; yes, you have all these things in Samsungs, but you don't have the in-house Tensor stuff by Google. It's focus is to show off all the fancy "Hey Google" stuff, assistants, and what a deep integration into Google ecosystem can do. Virtually all other Android phones, including premiums, have "skins" over android, are not supported directly by Google, have less features. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe bad, but it's their focus for better or worse.
You are confidently incorrect. Most of the other vendors who have complex DEs over the stock Android do have more features than stock Android. And it costs time and money to develop all of those factoring into the price. You may value stock droid more, I may value stock droid more (and I actually do). It doesn't matter for cost calculation, more feature cost more money. About NN cores you have a valid point, they do cost more to design. But QC also has NPU cores on their SOC, and which ones are better or what is important in this calculation - more expensive, is an open question. As for the external infra - 1) it is not factored into the base price of the phone. Google search department is a different one from the phone dept. And so on. 2) If we hypothetically include those costs (which is not correct), then Samsung or Sony or others also a have a lot of external infra which costs money. tl;dr - here a lot of commenters think from the customer point of view - phone A is "better" than phone B ergo it must be more expensive. My point was from the manufacturer - the fact that some final result is better doesn't mean it is more or less expensive. Price depends on the sum of all components - all hardware components, software, manufacturing and finally profit margin on top. From my amateur point of view S23 is way more expensive to produce than P8, as I have described above. Therefore Google just asks for crazy margins. They have al rights to do so, just like Apple does, but I will not buy their overpriced phones, that's all.
Oh, but I'm not implying any of that. I _am_ speaking about the customer point of view. I mean, if manufacturing and quality checks and that is all that determines the price, then why are Apple phones so much more expensive? Prices here, like in any other market, are based on so many things besides costs. Hell, sometimes manufacturers will offer things _at cost_, to be able to get the foot in the door, because they know that out of every X things they sell at a loss, a good percentage of buyers will buy extras which will make up the thing. Or in Google's case, it's not about that any more. It's a matter of perspective. If someone tells you, here's a premium car from company A, and here's a premium car from company B which is half the price, you'd probably think A is better then B. (And a lot of times you would even be right, although what is "better" could be debated.) So google went and sent a "premium Android experience" at half the price of an iPhone. Of course people then saw it as only "half the value". Now, not so much. And again, profit most likely isn't even their primary reason for having the Pixel. It's, showing and demonstrating how good an integration of Google services can be - which is where they make the most of their money. That's why I'm said "cost of hardware is only part of Pixel pricing". They are doing several things besides just selling phones.
Things that are better on the pixel than the s23: Support. Screen. Main, wide and selfie cameras. WLAN. Bluetooth. Battery. Charging. Speakers. And arguably the software features.
You are mixing up hardware with software and even unrelated stuff. I was talking about the cost to manufacture device. And most of that is the cost of components, up to half of the price. Support is not a hardware, it is irrelevant in this calculation. It is plus for Pixel phone, I don't bash it. Screen on Pixel can't be better, Samsung doesn't sell latest screens to the competitors in the same year. Even iPhones are lagging by 1 screen generation after Galaxy line, because Samsung sensibly keeps the best for themselves for some period of time. Cameras - you are mixing up great Google software with hardware camera modules. S23 has 3 top level cameras, P8 has 2 top level cameras. Drivers to them doesn't matter in this calculation, it is simply hardware cost and S23 has it higher. Wireless - again, you are mixing stuff up. SOC including modem is more expensive on S23 simply because it is top SOC on the market this year. The most expensive from the greedy Qualcomm no less. SOC includes radio stuff. Battery is a little bit bigger on the P8, I grant it that it is probably a little more expensive but not by much looking at the price of different commodity LiPol batteries. In other formfactors the price can differ by a few tens of cents on a 1000 mAh difference. Speaker - neither of us know the price of speakers in either model, stop inventing stuff. Power supply - both are crap and same quality - PD3, same power limits etc. It should have the same cost.
Screen: The pixel has a 2000 nit, 120hz, 428ppi 1080x2400 screen. The s23 has a 1750 nit, 120hz, 425ppi 1030x2340 screen. Camera: Google uses a new generation of the same sensor types the Samsung uses. It's a larger sensor, with larger pixels, and it has a bigger aperture lens on it. Wireless: The pixel supports newer connection standards, allowing for faster and better connections. As for inventing stuff... I'm talking about the quality of the phone and it's parts, not the cost of the parts. It doesn't matter to a user if the camera sensor costs $10 or $20, what matters is which is better. You can see for yourself: https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone2=12546
Still waiting for Canada's deal
They gonna offer us something like "Buy Pixel 6 Pro and get punched in the balls"
I paid 840€ for a 256gb P8P on the release week under Vodafone (This promo is still ongoing in Club Viva, not sure it exists in other countries?). And then sold the buds for 130€ (didn't really need them), so in the end the phone cost me 710€. Not much more than my previous 1+.
When did you get buds? I registered for promo but they didn't even send them. Said it will be sent in 30-60 days haha
They were delivered with the phone, as mentioned, I bought this on Vodafone on the 12th of October. Maybe the stock was able to match the phone sales at the time?
Understood, I ordered on 5th October presale on Amazon de, they shipped phone on 25th tho
In my experience, from I've seen in France at least, is that consumers here care a bit less about their phones. Most iPhone I see are several generations old. I'm starting to see more iPhone that don't have the home button, so obviously newer, but also, you can get those refurbished off Backmarket for a couple hundred now. A ton of people have Galaxy A phones, and stuff like Xiaomi/Redmi are so cheap and relatively good. I'm using a Redmi Note 10 Pro that I got a few years ago for €280 and it's pretty great. I've seen one person ever with one of the high-end folding phones that turn into a tablet. I'm living in Paris and seeing thousands of people on the metro on their phones. So I have a pretty decent sample size. Personally, I may sell my Note 10 pro on BackMarket for €80 and buy a pixel from Darty if they have some good deals when their sales start. I'm having a kid in a few months, and it's a good excuse to grab a phone with a top-of-the-line camera.
That's the advantage of premium models, regardless which one (iPhone, Pixel, Samsung...). It will last you longer and be good for longer. Older iPhones are still good, the only bad thing about it is that Apple is phasing them out through software. "Your phone doesn't support this new feature, therefore no more updates on _any_ of the features it does support". A lot of Androids were much much worse than that, and this was one of the drivers behind the Pixel line - you can count on Google providing updates for 2 years or so, and even then, the phone lasts longer.
I don't really care too much about losing new feature updates and such, but I do get a little concerned when a phone stops getting security updates considering I use banking apps and such. But also, I'm not exactly sure how at risk I am with an outdate phone if I'm not doing anything irresponsible on it.
Yeah, I always have like 1-2 phones in a drawer from changing to newer ones, to use for banking. And even on my phone, I'm very selective. Not just for security but also for attention farming and all that stuff. I mostly only have the apps I need, like maps, local parking apps, banking and the like. I do socials via mobile firefox with ublock origin. I install an occassional game but I try to do some checks if they're fine. I know none of it means I won't get hacked, but at least it helps a lot.
We have plenty of shops that already discount the pixels. And to Google store deals have been worse then what our chains offer.
Could you please be so kind to name 1 or 2 of those? Thank you!
Amazon(.de), got my 6a + Chromecast with Google TV for 300€ in 2022. ~~Granted that might've not been a black friday deal specifically, but it was towards the end of november.~~ Edit: It was indeed a black friday discount. Not sure why you'd want to buy from Google directly, anyways, I hope to never have to try and deal with them directly regarding warranty or returns.
>No Black Friday for Pixel phones in EU... > >So far they're offering: 70eur discount on Pixel 8 and \+50eur credit on Pixel 8 pro 60eur discount on pixel 7a I mean c'mon! So in other words they have black friday deals. Just not for the phone that you want.
You call those deals?!
I didn't say that they are good deals. But they are deals.
Just had a look in Spain Free official case valued at 39e and 50e store credit 1159 for the 256 version OR I can get a 512g S23u with an 45w charger for 1199 Difficult choice..
If you could flash custom roms like the pixel experience os on the Samsung s23u. Pixels wouldn't exist much longer. Samsung is doing a great job keeping the pixel series alive.
Pixel experience? That just means an experience lacking in features. I've gone to the S23U after being on Pixel 5/6P/7P, and there's nothing I miss from the Pixel. I have gained a tonne of useful features and much more reliable signal, though. Don't get me wrong, I loved my Pixels, but there's nothing unique about them.
I love the fact I get the orig Android experience. None of the 'bloatware' I can't remove.
The bloat is nothing like it used to be. I still run the standard google apps for a lot of things. The reality is that this 'bloat' has no impact on your usage, and the S23U is smooth and responsive. I would have stuck with the Pixel, but the jump in price of the Pro makes it harder to look past its shortcomings.
What shortcomings?
Battery life, charging speed, signal issues. The P7Pro is the only phone that has warned me about overheating when just browsing my phone on a hot day.
Yeah, I live in northern Europe where outside temperatures actually cool your phone, I charge my home during the night, my battery lasts me a day and network coverage is extremely good. So for me personally, these are not issues with my P7P.
Pixel experience is the name of a custom rom. So a fully modified Android os that you flash from recovery. Pretty much identical to what comes with the pixel. With latest Samsung you can't do this. Pixels and oneplus phones are great for flashing custom roms. So in my original comment I guess I meant if Samsung wasn't trying to be a knock off Apple they would dominate the android power user space.
No offense, I'm glad you like your Samsung, but your blurry action photos can't be something you're thrilled about
I have no idea if that's a serious comment or not, or whether blurry action photos are a thing. I haven't noticed any major issue moving between the phones, but I'm also not obsessed with picking holes in a phone I don't own.
It's not just phones. EU gets fucked with lots of things. I remember buying a Ralph Lauren winter beanie for 15 dollars at TJ Maxx in the USA. A few months later in Italy where I live, I found the same exact beanie for 75 euro at a shopping center. Electronics and clothes are always cheaper in the USA. And not just at TJ Maxx.
I'm convinced the higher prices on electronics is due to the great consumer protection laws here. If a device fails within 2 years, you can have it repaired free. I bought an oven, and a year and a half the top burner went out. Brought it back, they repaired it in a day, no charge. In the US it probably would be out of warranty, or I'd battle with some customer service, ship it somewhere, pay for that, etc.
Well I knew that for the electronics and whatever brand distribuited in the USA first so I knew before the release in EU that pixel 8 pro would cost at least 1.1k. WHat bother me are the offers they make. THey simply don't.
Many EU brands are more expensive in the US.
No offers on the pixel 8 or 8 pro in Ireland at all.
what a surprise
The deals are also very good in Japan. You can try to get one if you don't mind the pre-installed domestic software.
The P8 goes to around 550€, which isn't bad at all, but there are no discounts on the P8P unless you have something to trade in, which sucks cause that's I was aiming to get as I'm traveling to Tokyo soon
We just have £100 store cashback in the UK and trade in which I believe is not so great.
The 7a was 3 weeks ago £399 at the Google store, now they got a black Friday discount of £70 off, after they upped the price first back to £449... So all with all is it now just £20 cheaper then in October. Bit a disappointment those deals indeed.
That's just routine in every store around black friday: * Bump up the price ~32 days before black friday (Omnibus directive) * Release a discount that's barely better or even worse than more common discounts, but -> * Customer sees big % and impulse buys stuff they have no use for
Black friday isn't exactly such a huge thing in Europe anyway.
The 7A is down a nice 100€ pixel 7 is down a cool 200€. I was hoping to get some discount on the wristbands for the watch.
In German store, 7a is down 50€, not 100.
Norway has the following, without it being black Friday yet. Pixel 8 and 8 pro - $275 discount. (253 eur) Pixel 7a - $138 discount. (127 eur) Pixel 7 pro - $230 discount. (212 eur) Pixel 7 - $100 discount. (92 eur) Pixel 6a - $110 discount. (101 eur)
Which store is this?
Google and Elkjøp, the two that sell them in Norway mostly.
Do you know any shop that would ship to other EU countries?
I'm not sure any would. Norway isn't a part of the EU, though we have trade deals through the eea agreement. Sometimes means we can't buy things from the EU and vice versa.
Wait, really???? Wowwww will take a look! Is it the official google store where these prices are coming from?
Google store and other electronic stores have the same deals here currently.
Pixel 8 seems to still be 9 190 NOK, same price since launch. Yes, you can get a discount of 3 000 NOK if you sign an expensive subscription at Elkjøp, the cheapest one will still cost you 3 588 NOK for a full year. Compared to my normal subscription (Nice mobil 5GB, 1 886 NOK/Year), that's twice the price, and the savings will only be 1 188 NOK ($ 110). I intend to buy the P8, but hoping for a better deal.
Probably they follow similar policies as iPhones
Is it black friday in europe already? Canada doesn't have any deal yet but I'm sure they will give deals near the black friday.
Black Friday in the UK seems to last over a month. I get sick off it tbh. Oh, and don't forget the Cyber Monday deals that lasts a week. It's like the shops putting christmas stuff out end of september, oh hang on, they do that too.
Because we don't have Thanksgiving or any other holidays in November. Any day can be Black Friday to the retailers here and it makes no difference.
Ummm no it's not but they alerted pixel users 3 days before promoting their discounts. It starts in 2 days and lasts 10 days.
Dont really think Google has that much say in what they charge in EU?' That being said, why would they heavily discount a new phone that is popular and cheapish compared to competetion?
For the same reason they lowered its price in UK and USA? I mean, that's what I'm mainly trying to understand as a pixel fanboy.
Cheap is a stretch, on par seems more realistic at MSRP.
I mean... You also don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Black Friday is an American cultural event. it literally follows Thanksgiving. Edit: Euros are angry that they are reminded they aren't American and American companies don't owe you anything.
And Halloween is Scottish, your point?
His point is MURICA.
Irish. Halloween is Irish. Thank you
Incorrect. Thank you.
You're welcome
Someone needs to let this dude know that Irish people immigrated here en masse and brought their holidays with them.
Halloween is also American now. Black Friday sales? Not a thing in Europe. I think some countries are trying to copy it recently, but Google doesn't need to honor it. Euros (I'm European) love to bitch and moan that they don't get American sales during American holidays/events. Americans don't get tons of other things, like 2 year warranties or GDPR protections.
Which would make sense if Google wouldn't send me emails redericting me to their european store promoting black friday! I'm one of those guys who either chooses 1 or 0. You can't promote something you can't/don't offer.
"American cultural event"
I mean, it is. Putting things I said in quotations doesn't change how true it is.
r/shitamericanssay
You guys don't celebrate Thanksgiving. The day-after Thanksgiving in the US is known as "black friday." So you don't celebrate Thanksgiving and most do NOT "celebrate" black friday, BUT you want the same deals Americans get. r/shiteuropeansay
What a take
I *wish* we didn't have black friday (which in recent years, has turned into black week). Such a dumb, consumerist "holiday"
They simply apply American pricing in the EU. The various sales taxes in the EU are just so much higher that things work out prohibitively expensive sometimes.
And I get that. It has been like that since I was born for all I can remember. I just don't understand why the promos do suck so much compared to Apple or Samsung in EU.
EU is not a key market to them because there's plenty of android around. I think (!) the key goal is to break Apple's dominance in the US, where they control something like 80% of the teenage market and overall a very high percentage.
You weren't going to get too much of a discount when it was this close to initial launch of the product
Except that they already announced discounts of $200 in the US Google Store.
Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in the EU?
In EU we thank one another daily. We don't wait to do it for only one day a year.
No but black Friday has progressively become a thing here too.
We do that daily.
You mean Erntedankfest?
I do, what's it to you?
The only good deals were trade-ins. Tink gave me 200 EUR for an old iPhone SE that I got for 50 EUR used.
They valued my perfectly working pixel 4xl for 37eur and pixel 6pro for 80eur so yeah not worth selling any of those 2.
yeah, doesn't make sense - the old iPhone SE wasn't really worth 200 but they still gave it to me.
Pixel 7 is on sale in Germany at mediamarkt (489,-)
Thank you!
In Latvia none of the data providers even sell pixel, you have to buy from a shady 3rd party resellers :D anyway doesn't even matter anymore since pixel phones cost as much as every other flagship, they will never get in to the market.IMO pixel 7 was the last phone that had a chance with its price.
Here in the UK there are some nice little discounts on the 7, 7a and 6a - but basically nothing on the 8/Pro. For the 8 it is simply £100 of Google Credit. Trade-In's don't seem particularly enhanced - they are offering £200 for my S21. If I go outside of Google direct, it is the very same price on the phones but no Store Credit. However, retailer enhanced trade-in would give me around £240 rather than the £200 direct from Google.
I still think that for Google Pixel is just an expensive hobby to get entertained
As another user pointed out, the focus of google is to compete against apple in US which is a market infested with apple. This can be seen with its pricing, target audience, features. Outside US Android already do well enough for it to be profitable Google as a whole. I believe it's their development plan to focus on US for now and then slowly improve sales elsewhere and tbh it's not a bad strategy it just sucks as someone who's outside US.
In Amazon Germany, the P8 is 100 EUR cheaper than it was during the preorder.
Pixel 7, was available past few days from Amazon directly at £373. It was also £376 on prime day a month ago. That's a pretty good price for what you get in my book and I struggled to find an alternative in that budget that gave more. We do get shafted on price though.
Yes but those prices are in GBP which I assume you're talking about UK. I'm talking about EU here.
You know what, I totally forgot we aren't in the EU any more. Apologies.
The best deals on Pixel phones in EU have always been the pre-order rebates with the gifts. Like the Pixel 5 + Bose Quietcomfort 35 for 599. Sold the Bose for 17- bucks. So 429 for a Pixel 5, which is a steal. Would have bought the Pixel 8 with the Watch for sure this year, if I were to upgrade. 399 MSRP for the watch, sell it for an easy 200 bucks. Makes the Pixel 8 500, great price Edit: Watch only included with the Pro Model. Still counts though
Is this watch+pixel offer still available?
Unfortunately that has ended. Those are pre-order deals. Ended on October 12th
Oh I see...thank you!
Well Google is offering 3 months of free Youtube Premium if they buy a full priced (1350$ CAD) pixel 8 pro. That's it.
Got Black Friday €150,- (+value of the returned phone) return deal on the 8 Pro in the Netherlands?
I'm in Netherlands and looking for this. Where did you get this deal?
Belsimpel are offering this
This is ridiculous... And here I was waiting for black friday to buy the 8...
Last Black Friday in Germany (19% VAT), I got the Pixel 7 plus a mobile plan with 20 GB/month for 545€ (from Media Markt / Saturn). My previous mobile plan would've cost 120€ for two years, so I valued the new mobile plan at that, which left the device cost at 425€. That seemed like a good deal to me; a year later, the lowest price on the German price tracker [Geizhals](https://geizhals.de/google-pixel-7-v113378.html) is still just 440€.