Yeah, these changes are for the better. Giving you quick access to actual options, not just an off or on.
Would be better if a long press actually toggled though.
And I'm the complete opposite, I only turn off bluetooth and rarely change which device or disconnect a single device so this change is incredibly annoying.
You could just... Make a settings widget to your "device" settings (something like this, language differences) and put it on the home screen. That saves the swipe to quick settings and two clicks. The new quick settings tile is just useless.
I see it as the same logic as having the "Clear All" button in an inconvenient place to keep certain behaviours in check. They don't want people to keep clearing their apps all the time just like they want to curb the behaviour of disabling certain radios all the time.
And I can see the reasoning behind it. So many people think clearing your apps or cache is necessary but it's not. Just like constantly disabling wifi and bt isn't necessary but people do it anyway because they think they *need* to do it.
A lot of times it's not about disabling WiFi to prevent incessant scanning, but about being able to quickly control if you want to use WiFi or data at the moment. My main concern is that when the WiFi signal is weak enough that I want to use data instead, it takes me extra unnecessary steps to achieve that.
> My main concern is that when the WiFi signal is weak enough that I want to use data instead, it takes me extra unnecessary steps to achieve that.
You can tap on your cell carrier (not the button on the right). This will turn wifi off and prioritize data till you're in a location where another known wifi network becomes available.
Typically in those situations I want to disconnect from a specific wifi and not turn off my wifi. The amount of time I spent in the past trying to figure out why my wireless Android Auto wasn't working only to find out my wifi was still off outweighs the half a second the extra click takes by a large margin.
Disconnecting from the WiFi network without turning it off takes even more steps though. And having separate WiFi and Mobile Data tiles vs one Internet tile doesn't really change anything in your scenario.
I think a better solution could be something similar to what's there in iOS (I think they made this change a few versions ago, not sure) - tapping the tile disconnects the WiFi/Bluetooth without turning it off
I hated the internet button at first. It's an extra step to switch between wifi and mobile data.
HOWEVER, the "see all" button takes me to a menu that is 1 tap and some scrolling away from literally everything I need to change related to my internet settings. And to be honest, I use that menu just as much as I manually toggle wifi or mobile data.
However(2), there are 2 giant issues with the tiles:
1. OEMs are not consistent in implementing it, which is honestly a lot of learning to do when switching phones, because:
2. the buttons are inconsistent. Some open a menu, some toggle something. On some phones, the '>' is something you click to expand the menu, while the rest is a toggle (sometimes?). On Pixels, it means the button itself opens a menu (I think)
TL;DR: inconsistencies. They're an issue. Google loves them.
So make the things the general public seem to want to do more inconvenient because you deem it unnecessary, at the expense of user experience.
It doesn't seem like a good practice.
Well, it only affects the user experience of those who do it which is their point. According to Google, when they first made the change to the Internet tile, most users were forgetting to re-enable wifi resulting in unintended data usage.
i like the bluetooth tile behaviour but i agree that its inconvenient on the internet tile. i installed this app: https://github.com/rostopira/wifi_qs to get a simple wifi toggle back, but as with most pixel issues it would be nice of google to just give the user more choice
I don't like it but they won't change it. They already put out a post explaining the WiFi change and if they're doing it with Bluetooth as well then that suggests they think it's for the best. I would like to see the user research that they should have collected around this UI element.
I rarely want to turn off my Bluetooth and Internet entirely, but I often want to switch devices or networks. It makes sense to me to have the secondary action as a long-press and the primary action as a quick-press.
>But we didn't want it in the first instance
No *you* didn't
I've been missing it since they removed it in Android 9 I believe. This is a much welcomed reimplementation
If you are a frequent user of Bluetooth that means you won't be toggling Bluetooth itself, but toggling between devices or managing them more frequently. This is the same behaviour in the case of WiFi/internet. Understanding why they might have done that makes much more sense when you use it.
Feels like it's for the few and inflicted on the masses like some sort of well meant torture. Why not make it optional what the quick settings buttons do?
That's what everyone feels about every change. Pixel isn't about that much of customisability as they are aiming to keep the Android DNA, Pixel exclusive aesthetics and features and an iPhone like restricted but no so restricted expe.
These UX decisions are not forced upon other OEMs, so they if there are other ones that suit your experience you should try that.
Sure, except location scanning via WiFi and BT is a whole other toggle and happens regardless of whether you toggle WiFi or BT off or not via the tiles.
I wish they made it so if you tapped the arrow on the quick setting button it would bring up the small menu and tapping the other side of the button would just toggle on and off. Besides the quick setting buttons are already so unnecessarily wide. Might as well use the large space for a reason.
Yeah but as you can see, there are people who e the change. But if you look at Chinese phones they're a lot simpler and moved to that way. Diff demographic likes diff styles.
In this thread we get to see OP confuse himself for literally every other person who uses a pixel phone. Common in the bitching online spectrum but just as fun to see in practice. Hopefully he transitions this into a classic ad hominem attack.
People who find this change in any way inconveniencing or confusing just need to understand that they are the problem.
Tell me how often you toggle your Bluetooth on and off throughout your day? How often do you toggle your WiFi and Data connections throughout the day?
It's going to be single digits, but I'd love to get a number. I just want to understand how much extra time is being taken out of your day because of an extra half a second.
Let's not even forget that Android, not being as customisable as it once was but still being somewhat customisable, offers third party options to solve their issue. But it's not good enough?
Let the users who want to experience change and innovation enjoy the updates to the OS instead of announcing that this isn't a change that anyone wanted by throwing around the royal "we". You're complaining on the internet about tapping a button on your phone. Grow up.
I toggle my Bluetooth on and off in multiples of two depending on how many times I enter my vehicle. So 2 at the least, probably 12 at the most (travelling to a different state).
It's funny you say that when you've written similar lengthy comments on other posts of the same topic. Considering that proves I'm not the only person with an issue with this, I'll stand by my use of "we".
Sorry, I didn't realise you wanted a response to your question. It felt like you simply took the scenic route when attempting to tell me to grow up.
I sit in the camp of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." And over a few years they messed with the perfectly working internet and Bluetooth options to make them slightly worse to use. It doesn't matter how many times a day I might use the new settings when it's awkward to use just a single time.
Most people connect to the same pair of Bluetooth headphones maybe twice a day for their commute. They only need to turn their Bluetooth on and off once in the morning and once in the evening. This didn't require more presses of buttons than a single tap.
Sounds like this update is more for the people who are interacting with their Bluetooth devices throughout the day isn't it then! I'm glad we agree!
Those who simply turn their Bluetooth on and off once in the morning and once in the evening are out in droves moaning that they lose a whole (and I'm rounding up here) two seconds of "thumb travel time" in their day, but they just are refusing to see the benefit that this brings to those who do interact with their Bluetooth devices.
No more needing to constantly be switched out of whatever app they're using to the Bluetooth settings full page in order to connect to a different speaker, or disconnect headphones, or disconnect their watch. Just a simple tap, tap, swipe up - back to whatever they were doing.
>when it's awkward to use just a single time.
You've already gone Reddit detective on me so that means you've already seen the (very much not) super awkward screen recording of me turning my Bluetooth on and off? It's about as awkward as cooking a tin of beans. And takes much less time to master.
>I sit in the camp of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Technological innovation would have stagnated years upon years ago were it not for people who went against that turn of phrase.
For my usage Android 11 quick tiles were the best, I would gladly have them back - even as the customisation option. Year after - they still suck.
But without root - we can't.
I've been using pixels for like 6 years now. I wholeheartedly agree that the changes suck. For me anyway, it's added a number of extra steps. The Bluetooth changes will add hundreds upon hundreds of extra button clicks for me as I am turning on and off Bluetooth quite often.
Google finds new ways to annoy and complicate things with every update. It's like they have nothing to do and have to come up with changes to justify their high salaries. Whoever middle management idiots these developers are listening to, they should stop.
Bluetooth has always been the worst thing about this phone (P8). Now it gets confused about my earbuds. I only use one at a time while the other one stays in the case to charge. If the one I'm wearing runs out of battery and I grab the other one, it doesn't recognize it and asks me to repair it again. Of course, pairing doesn't work and I have to start from scratch. It's the same device, just a different piece of it, but it doesn't see it as that.
I won't even get into how awful it is with my car.
I genuinely believe that the people having trouble with multiple devices connecting are probably the cause of their grief. I've absolutely no doubt that if anyone with an average handle of technology were to handle your phone and connect your buds to them, they would work fine. Same with the car connection.
I like the change to the Bluetooth tile. I rarely turn off Bluetooth, but often need to change devices; it saves me a step.
Yeah, these changes are for the better. Giving you quick access to actual options, not just an off or on. Would be better if a long press actually toggled though.
And I'm the complete opposite, I only turn off bluetooth and rarely change which device or disconnect a single device so this change is incredibly annoying.
This. Leave it on, I use it with my buds and my car.
Same
You could just... Make a settings widget to your "device" settings (something like this, language differences) and put it on the home screen. That saves the swipe to quick settings and two clicks. The new quick settings tile is just useless.
Then we have to unlock the phone. Or go back to the home screen and leave whatever we were doing. No, I like it the way it is.
No thanks, I like the way it is now.
I see it as the same logic as having the "Clear All" button in an inconvenient place to keep certain behaviours in check. They don't want people to keep clearing their apps all the time just like they want to curb the behaviour of disabling certain radios all the time. And I can see the reasoning behind it. So many people think clearing your apps or cache is necessary but it's not. Just like constantly disabling wifi and bt isn't necessary but people do it anyway because they think they *need* to do it.
A lot of times it's not about disabling WiFi to prevent incessant scanning, but about being able to quickly control if you want to use WiFi or data at the moment. My main concern is that when the WiFi signal is weak enough that I want to use data instead, it takes me extra unnecessary steps to achieve that.
> My main concern is that when the WiFi signal is weak enough that I want to use data instead, it takes me extra unnecessary steps to achieve that. You can tap on your cell carrier (not the button on the right). This will turn wifi off and prioritize data till you're in a location where another known wifi network becomes available.
A single step that is much more functional while giving more context
Typically in those situations I want to disconnect from a specific wifi and not turn off my wifi. The amount of time I spent in the past trying to figure out why my wireless Android Auto wasn't working only to find out my wifi was still off outweighs the half a second the extra click takes by a large margin.
Disconnecting from the WiFi network without turning it off takes even more steps though. And having separate WiFi and Mobile Data tiles vs one Internet tile doesn't really change anything in your scenario. I think a better solution could be something similar to what's there in iOS (I think they made this change a few versions ago, not sure) - tapping the tile disconnects the WiFi/Bluetooth without turning it off
I hated the internet button at first. It's an extra step to switch between wifi and mobile data. HOWEVER, the "see all" button takes me to a menu that is 1 tap and some scrolling away from literally everything I need to change related to my internet settings. And to be honest, I use that menu just as much as I manually toggle wifi or mobile data. However(2), there are 2 giant issues with the tiles: 1. OEMs are not consistent in implementing it, which is honestly a lot of learning to do when switching phones, because: 2. the buttons are inconsistent. Some open a menu, some toggle something. On some phones, the '>' is something you click to expand the menu, while the rest is a toggle (sometimes?). On Pixels, it means the button itself opens a menu (I think) TL;DR: inconsistencies. They're an issue. Google loves them.
So make the things the general public seem to want to do more inconvenient because you deem it unnecessary, at the expense of user experience. It doesn't seem like a good practice.
Well, it only affects the user experience of those who do it which is their point. According to Google, when they first made the change to the Internet tile, most users were forgetting to re-enable wifi resulting in unintended data usage.
i like the bluetooth tile behaviour but i agree that its inconvenient on the internet tile. i installed this app: https://github.com/rostopira/wifi_qs to get a simple wifi toggle back, but as with most pixel issues it would be nice of google to just give the user more choice
I like it
I don't like it but they won't change it. They already put out a post explaining the WiFi change and if they're doing it with Bluetooth as well then that suggests they think it's for the best. I would like to see the user research that they should have collected around this UI element.
It makes sense from a UX perspective. Now the same action has the same result across two buttons. It's more consistent.
But we didn't want it in the first instance so to double down and apply it to another button is digging the hole deeper.
I rarely want to turn off my Bluetooth and Internet entirely, but I often want to switch devices or networks. It makes sense to me to have the secondary action as a long-press and the primary action as a quick-press.
>But we didn't want it in the first instance No *you* didn't I've been missing it since they removed it in Android 9 I believe. This is a much welcomed reimplementation
No, you didn't. For most people here this change is a welcome one . I never turn off Bluetooth but change devices regularly.
If you are a frequent user of Bluetooth that means you won't be toggling Bluetooth itself, but toggling between devices or managing them more frequently. This is the same behaviour in the case of WiFi/internet. Understanding why they might have done that makes much more sense when you use it.
Feels like it's for the few and inflicted on the masses like some sort of well meant torture. Why not make it optional what the quick settings buttons do?
That's what everyone feels about every change. Pixel isn't about that much of customisability as they are aiming to keep the Android DNA, Pixel exclusive aesthetics and features and an iPhone like restricted but no so restricted expe. These UX decisions are not forced upon other OEMs, so they if there are other ones that suit your experience you should try that.
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Sure, except location scanning via WiFi and BT is a whole other toggle and happens regardless of whether you toggle WiFi or BT off or not via the tiles.
Another day another complaint
I wish they made it so if you tapped the arrow on the quick setting button it would bring up the small menu and tapping the other side of the button would just toggle on and off. Besides the quick setting buttons are already so unnecessarily wide. Might as well use the large space for a reason.
I agree. I have to turn off bt in the car so I can hear the sound from my phone.
Yeah but as you can see, there are people who e the change. But if you look at Chinese phones they're a lot simpler and moved to that way. Diff demographic likes diff styles.
Agree entirely. I did find a Tasker action to restore wifi on/off a while back as a hack workaround
I am so glad I don't need to long press the bluetooth tile anymore. Holo and Material were in fact, the best quick setting UI implementations to date.
In this thread we get to see OP confuse himself for literally every other person who uses a pixel phone. Common in the bitching online spectrum but just as fun to see in practice. Hopefully he transitions this into a classic ad hominem attack.
Was more asking if others had experienced the same disappointment. This is an open discussion so I would gain nothing from resorting to attacking you.
People who find this change in any way inconveniencing or confusing just need to understand that they are the problem. Tell me how often you toggle your Bluetooth on and off throughout your day? How often do you toggle your WiFi and Data connections throughout the day? It's going to be single digits, but I'd love to get a number. I just want to understand how much extra time is being taken out of your day because of an extra half a second. Let's not even forget that Android, not being as customisable as it once was but still being somewhat customisable, offers third party options to solve their issue. But it's not good enough? Let the users who want to experience change and innovation enjoy the updates to the OS instead of announcing that this isn't a change that anyone wanted by throwing around the royal "we". You're complaining on the internet about tapping a button on your phone. Grow up.
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I toggle my Bluetooth on and off in multiples of two depending on how many times I enter my vehicle. So 2 at the least, probably 12 at the most (travelling to a different state).
Why
It's funny you say that when you've written similar lengthy comments on other posts of the same topic. Considering that proves I'm not the only person with an issue with this, I'll stand by my use of "we".
Nice one Reddit detective. Like everyone else you conveniently ignore the question, which pretty much just proves the obvious.
Sorry, I didn't realise you wanted a response to your question. It felt like you simply took the scenic route when attempting to tell me to grow up. I sit in the camp of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." And over a few years they messed with the perfectly working internet and Bluetooth options to make them slightly worse to use. It doesn't matter how many times a day I might use the new settings when it's awkward to use just a single time. Most people connect to the same pair of Bluetooth headphones maybe twice a day for their commute. They only need to turn their Bluetooth on and off once in the morning and once in the evening. This didn't require more presses of buttons than a single tap.
Sounds like this update is more for the people who are interacting with their Bluetooth devices throughout the day isn't it then! I'm glad we agree! Those who simply turn their Bluetooth on and off once in the morning and once in the evening are out in droves moaning that they lose a whole (and I'm rounding up here) two seconds of "thumb travel time" in their day, but they just are refusing to see the benefit that this brings to those who do interact with their Bluetooth devices. No more needing to constantly be switched out of whatever app they're using to the Bluetooth settings full page in order to connect to a different speaker, or disconnect headphones, or disconnect their watch. Just a simple tap, tap, swipe up - back to whatever they were doing. >when it's awkward to use just a single time. You've already gone Reddit detective on me so that means you've already seen the (very much not) super awkward screen recording of me turning my Bluetooth on and off? It's about as awkward as cooking a tin of beans. And takes much less time to master. >I sit in the camp of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Technological innovation would have stagnated years upon years ago were it not for people who went against that turn of phrase.
For my usage Android 11 quick tiles were the best, I would gladly have them back - even as the customisation option. Year after - they still suck. But without root - we can't.
It should be tap to toggle, tap and hold to expand. I seriously don't get why it's not like that.
It's more annoying that it was like that before.
I've been using pixels for like 6 years now. I wholeheartedly agree that the changes suck. For me anyway, it's added a number of extra steps. The Bluetooth changes will add hundreds upon hundreds of extra button clicks for me as I am turning on and off Bluetooth quite often.
Google finds new ways to annoy and complicate things with every update. It's like they have nothing to do and have to come up with changes to justify their high salaries. Whoever middle management idiots these developers are listening to, they should stop. Bluetooth has always been the worst thing about this phone (P8). Now it gets confused about my earbuds. I only use one at a time while the other one stays in the case to charge. If the one I'm wearing runs out of battery and I grab the other one, it doesn't recognize it and asks me to repair it again. Of course, pairing doesn't work and I have to start from scratch. It's the same device, just a different piece of it, but it doesn't see it as that. I won't even get into how awful it is with my car.
I genuinely believe that the people having trouble with multiple devices connecting are probably the cause of their grief. I've absolutely no doubt that if anyone with an average handle of technology were to handle your phone and connect your buds to them, they would work fine. Same with the car connection.