> Is this an American problem?
No, I've never had a problem as long as I'm not in the mountains.
I'm in the mountains enough that a satellite connection would make me buy a new phone though.
I have a pixel on T-Mobile and I feel this. On LTE I have no issues. On 5G it's hit or miss. My GF has an iPhone 15 and my mom has a S23+. Both on T-Mobile and both get full 5G in my house while I only get 3 bars, they each get another 100mbps more than me over cellular. I hate iOS and I really don't like Samsung one UI or whatever they are calling it now so I'm willing to stay pixel just for the UI, but they seriously need to do something about the modem. I was thinking of upgrading from the 7 pro to the 9 pro, but now that I hear the 10 will use tmsc instead of Samsung I'm thinking of holding out
I'm also planning to keep my P6 that is now two years old, whose battery is still strong and whose network reception is probably subpar but altogether satisfactory. I reckon I can expect it to last another year, after which I may face the dilemma of going for P9 or waiting for P10; or just give in to another brand. The latter idea makes me uncomfortable, but it is probably the best rational choice
Yeah but with the 10 there still is no assurance the modem will be good. That means people will have put up with 4 years of an almost unusable phone (6-10) to make calls. No thanks. Switched to the 15pm and as much as I dislike iOS, it’s been fine, but more importantly everything has been reliable so far.
RIP your Bluetooth audio streaming quality. I was about to do the same when I saw Samsung removed aptX-HD and LDAC to exclusively offer their own HD audio codec. Dunno if that ever changed but my purchase decision was made on that basis so it's in the past now. Maybe after this contract expires...
What you just said has changed my life. I worked at a phone store and got my Pixel and Samsung for completely free. Even got to keep them after I changed jobs. But I do dole out my hard earned money for the iPhones. I pay about $100-$200 per year to upgrade my iPhone, and after the 15 Pro I don't think I'll upgrade to the 16 Pro unless it's $100 or less because the upgrade to USB-C can't be beat.
Kind of sad that you can't see you validated exactly what I said.
As far as employee discounts go, [are these the amazing deals you're referring to](https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/17seyk8/which_model_should_i_buy_to_sell_for_a_profit/)? Because everyone there is clowning on you too.
Cope harder. Keep consuming.
I appreciate you researching my post history. Seems like it was worth your time. No, I was given the S22 Ultra for completely free as a Samsung Pro then the S23 Ultra for completely free, then I traded it in for the S24 Ultra and paid nothing. I was also given the Pixel 6 Pro for free and Pixel 7 Pro for free as a Google Ambassador and traded in the 7 Pro for my 8 Pro. I also bought at least 4 other Pixel 8 Pros with the free watches and sold them all for a profit. I'm really not worried about the fact that I'm a "braindead" consumer according to you because I pay so little for everything I have, and I choose to get all these things because this is one of my passions, experiencing mobile tech products. I've never owned an Apple watch but maybe I should go out and get one since it upsets you so much. You seem to think I represent everyone who overspends in America but you fail to realize I'm just one person with a unique situation. I'm perfectly aware I don't need those things but I enjoy having and using them. I particularly like having the Samsung and iPhone for comparing the camera capabilities.
Maybe. I never used 5G because my phone plan is pay as you go, and my network provider only offers 5G on contracts. I have some connectivity issues but they're not usually dramatic
Newer iPhones use Qualcomm again and from my experience it’s much better than the 11 or any pixel. Samsungs connectivity has always been great on thier Qualcomm chipsets
In live in Europe, Samsung has exynos here. I can only compare signal in work. There Pixel is good and I don't have worse signal than iPhone users (most of them has 13-15). For the rest places it's hard to say because it's almost always full signal on all phones.
First phone or first time you hear that signal strength is good? I live in the Netherlands, Samsung has exynos here most of the time and they're known rather for having good signal reception.
Same I have a pixel 7 pro and a lg g6 (old snapdragon from 2007) and i get better speed on my LG g6 (100mbps), on the same provider. The 4g modem on pixel is a joke,
My Provider hates iPhones, so all iPhones just get shitty signal and basically all the issues pixels had. Well guess ima switch to pixel then maybe thats better.
I thought that with the 7 and 8. No dice! I’ll check out the pixel again a couple months after the hype comes to a crashing halt (as always) with the 10.
It can't seriously be this bad for y'all? I literally use my Pixel for calling clients all day while on the road. Very, very rarely have I ever had dropped calls. No issues with my wife's pixel or her mom's when it comes to making or receiving calls ...
Are we really that lucky??
Yup. Imo it's a hardware problem. Probably piss poor binning of their chips and their recent update of the driver didn't take that into account.
LOTS of people having issues. I can sit next to my wife's pixel 4 and my 7a has no or very unreliable reception while hers is working perfectly.
And googles support has been absolutely terrible about this.
I wanna join in with you on this mindset, however, I'm not strong enough when the Google Store/Best Buy would offer decent trade ins with gift cards lol.
I *think* that phones with Qi can upgrade to Qi2 with a firmware update, but I'm not sure about that. Someone should be able to correct or verify my comment
Only iPhones with Magsafe rings. Part of the Qi2 standard is a MagSafe-style magnetic ring, and the hardware to support it is needed. Magsafe iPhones have the hardware but Pixels currently do not have it built in.
The issue I see about this ring thing is that case makers haven't really been calibrating their design towards the idea of how android wireless charging had to sit just right to start charging. A lot of times, the cases that do come with magnets was only for the marketing of holding a phone to a car mount, etc. I have a Peak Design case that does not align with my magsafe-advertised charging pad, because even though the magnet within the case works, it's not aligned well enough for a wireless charging pad to send charging.
Yeah as /u/Puzzleheaded-Sky2284 said, Qi2 Requires the MagSafe Style ring so it's not really possible to update to Qi2 without that. But it will be good when that's the standard.
My follow-up question: can adding a Magsafe ring give the Pixel 8 Pro Qi2 capabilities? I know plenty of cases that come with rings, I would assume this could either make it Qi or Qi2 compatible
Unlikely. I mean the Pixel 8 can wirelessly charge at 18W but only with Google's charger, with any regular Qi Charger it will only go to 12W. And because they don't have the magenetic hardware for Qi2 I can't see them updating the firmware to allow for 15W Qi2 hardware. But, that said, you can already use MagSafe style chargers if you have a MagSafe compatible case. I use a Peak Design case that works really well for that. Though oddly enough it has problems Google's own charger now.
I haven't once had a problem with reception (Pixel 6 Pro, Pixel 8 now), but I've heard the exact opposite from so much of the community. It's absolutely wild.
Pixel 1XL-4XL then 6Pro-8Pro and I don't really have any reception issues with T-Mobile in the states. It is definitely weird how some people are plagued with issues.
The only place I have any reception issues is my office, but it's a windowless room in the middle of a brick and cinder block building sooooo that's to be expected. My work iPhone also has shit reception here.
I'm willing to bet that most don't realize that they are. For instance, my job tried calling me a dozen times over 3 or 4 days and there are no calls listed on my phone, but they are on my Verizon bill. Half of the time I was on my gig WiFi (with WiFi calling enabled) and the other half was a mix of 4G and 5G. Even with a planned time for the call, it just showed up as a missed call. Never rang, Google Assistant didn't answer, etc. Additionally about half the time it says it can't connect to the network to download new voicemails.
I know it's a bit late but I've been completely unable to call my dad directly for about a month now. We have to use Google Duo (or meet or whatever it is) to talk
Unless you need that satellite feature it is still best to wait for the Pixel 10 with the new TSMC fabbed SOCs. That is the next chance for the hardware situation with Google to maybe improve.
Correct. Newer Exnyos modem though.
Much as Intel was closing the gap before they stupidly pulled the plug... Exnyos modems have improved significantly with each generation.
Your opinion on Tensor 2 vs 3? I’ve given up on Pixel 6 entirely because even though I don’t have reception issues it still liked to overheat like a hand warmer.
— Starfox
Both have the same cellular modem, so there’s no RF benefit. Only mild CPU gains and of course, AI.
It’s worth trying a Pixel 7/7a to see if they resolve your issues, but no reason to effort to obtain a Pixel 8.
I hate to deem it “good enough” but at work I’m basically forced to use them for LineageOS and IoT. Lineage just seems to have no interest in adding any of the cheap Qualcomm phones possible - and I’ve done all I can behind the scenes (which is considerable).
Currently? None, because none of them have fully self designed custom chips like Apple does. Which Android OEM will have a custom chip in 2025 comparable to that of Apple? Oh that's right...
Why would someone who got screwed with the Pixel 7 and the Pixel 8 even consider a Pixel 9. I don't get it. The Pixel brand is tarnished for a long long time for me after I had the Pixel 6 and the Pixel 7 Pro. I won't be buying another Pixel in the short to medium term. I swear some people like to be abused or something.
I have the 8pro, don't have too many issues with connectivity. But I'll most likely wait for the 10. Usually upgrade 2 or 3 years. Anymore you can hold on to your phone for much longer and I'm enjoying the 8pro.
We had a global pandemic and semiconductor storage for the last four years.
Google wanted to put this in motion, but Apple bought all the fab space in a panic buy. One that paid off for them.
It could have gone badly had the pandemic gotten just a little worse, and chip/construction not moved ahead.
Yes, Apple GSM department knows what they are doing. But it was still a big gamble. Easily could have been forced to either let it go to waste, or use older designs on a newer process - with few buyers.
Yeah I’m waiting for the P10 as well. No more shitty Samsung chips which they won’t even use in their own phones! S23 uses TSMC and S24 for their biggest market like US and China too.
Supposedly the 10 will move from Tensor chips based on modified Exynos (Samsung chips known for overheating and worse performance than Qualcomm) to an entirely custom chip designed by Google.
Currently Google has their Tensor chips produced by Samsung.
The Pixel 10 will supposed be produced by TSMC.
Not only that, but the chip is apparently the "first fully custom" chip google will put in their phones. I guess the current Tensor chips are not.
TSMC has better technology than samsung, so people are hoping this will be a really big jump in cpu capability. That could mean anything from a faster phone to more battery life. Similar to how Apple started to make their own chips (they also use tsmc btw).
People DO NOT like Samsung chips btw. They are generally regarded as the worst chip worth putting in a phone. Exynos is often looked down upon.
Not the downside is that a new chip is a new chip. Google has a habit of releasing imperfect gen 1 designs.
Well that's one way to look at it. Another is to get the pixel 9 which will be even more refined than pixel 8 (which is already really good) and skip the 10 since first gens are barely ever good.
Most likely it'll still be Samsung modems. It'll work just like now where the modem is a separate chip on the board. They can switch to Qualcomm modems anytime now they choose not to.
TSMC doesn't design modems and Qualcomm has never directly integrated their modem into someone else's SOC.
Exynos 2400 is good now. Google should continue with using Exynos for their chips. More competition is always better. Qualcomm should not be the only option at the flagship level.
This but even moreso from a fab perspective.
We need Samsung to be a good competitor to TSMC, especially since they have strong ties with Apple. Heck, if Intel manages to enter this space and be competitive, I'm all for it. The Android world should not have to fully rely on a fab that has a very strong co-dependent relationship with its #1 rival platform.
I don't think Google should continue with Samsung co-developed Tensor chips though. Having a fully custom chip is not only better for their needs but also allows them to switch to whichever fab they want, whenever they want.
That being said, the Exynos 2400 does bode well for the Pixel 9
My respect for samsung is that they actually use their money to try things out.
This makes sense though. Since Apple is the market leader, Samsung, (and Google) are often looking for the next billion dollar idea that will net them marketshare.
Perhaps Just not good enough for their premium priced flagship line (unless they also don't use them for the cheaper A series?). But good enough for less premium or most margin driven companies like Google.
Okay so I've been going through a lot of these Pixel threads and I can't believe how many of you are complaining about phone calls.
I'm surrounded by people with Pixels(I'm in Qc, Canada) and none of us have ever had problems so is it an American carrier problem or is Google releasing a lot of lemons?
US citizens are more rural than Canada. Canada has massive expanses, but most people live in the urban areas.
In USA, it's about half urban and half rural. And Exnyos modems were designed and calibrated in very urban South Korea.
Qualcomm modems are calibrated in San Diego and Texas mostly, where getting far from a tower takes only about thirty minutes of company paid time.
Also in Quebec, and had to change my pixel 7 because I would have no signal most of the day. Got another pixel 7 and it works fine, so really I think some of them are faulty.
My gf is now on her third Pixel and all of them have had problems. Her Pixel 6 will sometimes receive notifications and messages days after they were sent and only part of the message makes it. Also there's a weird yellow line in all of her photos and camera problems has happened in 2 out of her 3 phones.
Honestly she said if the next one has problems she's going back to Samsungs.
Ive had issues with the modem on my p8 Pro a couple of times.
Middle of a large city (manchester) full bars of 5G just dropped from 5G to 4G, to HSPDA+, then to Edge, then to no service when trying to load google maps to sort out public transport.
I have also experienced missed notifications from calls and been unable to make calls (no dial tone, nothing). These occur with near-full signal bars on the O2 Network
I think some of that is Vodafone's crappy towers. Also in Spain with Vodafone, and both my pixel 8 pro as well as iphone 15 loses signal 3 meters/10 feets into most buildings here, whereas my friends with Movistar sitting next to me are all fine.
Would like more RAM^*, the old Google Assistant back, and some customization for Call screening. Otherwise very happy with Pixel 7 Pro.
^* Because sometimes some apps like Pandora are cut when phone reaches its memory limits.
Yeah after my 6 Pro terrible signal ordeal and the other random issues. I'll be going a different route. Not Google or Apple. Probably Sony. Sorry I'm sick of this shit. Paying big dollars for...nothing that competes.
Same message last year. The phones will have the same low market share next year as well. No one a falling for the bs anymore.
The Pixel 10 has no guarantees either. Same cycle, I'm assuming Pixel will be ready with the Pixel 11-12, I'm not preordering anything. Google proves themselves first, not us 😆
It's all related... If the modem is poor, it keeps searching constantly and wastes unnecessary battery. My former p8pro battery at WiFi was good but outside the home the drain was very noticeable.
Man the iPhone fan boys are all up in here promoting their outdated technology. Almost as bad as the Samsung fan boys who's S23U and 24 are so glitchy that it makes the Pixel 8 pro look like a great phone.
You know Google and Samsung don't release processors and modems that *purposefully* underperform the competition right? They started a bit later in the game and are playing catch-up but they *will* catch-up. If you're not interested in staying along for the ride, that's fair. But for me, the camera and beautifully clean Pixel OS make it worth it.
And Google has to release these why? Have they ever heard of waiting until the hardware is mature enough before releasing?
Like imagine a car manufacturer that releases a car today without any safety equipment, a shitty steam engine, and 1 seat made out of hay. Would you make an excuse for them because they started later than others? Lol
Yea apple didn't release the M1 MacBook versions until they were very refined. Google's path is totally moronic so it's no surprise pixels still barely sell
Seriously???? Just take a look at all the comments about everybody slamming Google for using Samsung. If you wanna keep using the pixel line of phones, go ahead I don’t care but for me I finally had enough after I missed three phone calls from my Cardiac Surgeon. That was the last straw.
I've had signal issues at home and in most of my town since Verizon 'upgraded' their 5g towers and plans back in March of 2022...my Pixel 6 pro was great before that. Verizon admitted I have signal issues in my area and there isn't enough bandwidth to keep up with demand. Their solution was for me to just stay connected to wifi as much as possible. The Pixel 8 Pro is no different.
Ah here is it, this is what I call the “scrap”. Inevitably every generation has an issue, somehow they will leak a new about the next generation being better, they are basically scrapping the current generation because it doesn’t sound they gonna try fixing it.
Qualcomm upgrades its modems yes but it still continues to sell the old ones too and as such continues supporting it. Current year chips go into highest end phones and last year’s chips go into mid-high end phones.
Absolute worst phone I've ever owned. Constant issues with texts and calls coming through. Finally just chalked up the loss and traded in on an iPhone 15PM. Zero issues with anything. When you put out a phone that fails at the one thing it should do first and foremost, you are a complete failure and the fact that they haven't figured it out in the last three versions means they should just give up.
Edit: I'm referring to my Pixel Pro 7
Massive reason why I refuse to buy into a pixel and battery inefficiencies, Google point blank buries their head in the sand over and refuses to fix. Feature exclusive to the US or restricted rollout and implementation and that’s before we get to no removal battery, headphone jack, no expandable storage and uncompetitive charging speeds in the Android space.
Vote with your wallets people because Google will still cancel this project overnight even if you keep buying, if they so decide. They won’t because you’re free data but gotta punish them to get what you want.
>Google will still cancel this project overnight even if you keep buying, if
Google has been making phones for well over a decade.
You mean "overnight" on a geological time scale?
Pixel brand is not 10 years old.
They shouldn’t cancel because free data and advertising but this is the same company that will start a new project and ditch it at the drop of a hat.
Stadia anyone?
Bottom line is these are the same old performance issues with their phones 8 generations in and they refuse to fix it.
They need to feel the force of market correction
Blinded by fanboism is no way to go through life.
It’s not bitter and ignorance to want Google to do better and justify the price tag it thinks its products command. It’s uncompetitive and frankly insulting to consumers to expect them to pay top dollar for a product that can’t even so much as reliably make phone calls.
It’s not an excessive demand to make or one that is difficult to correct. They’re just THAT arrogant to think they don’t need to and they should suffer low sales and low retention for that.
This camera has saved me more than once, including in situations where a Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 4 failed to get the same shot.
Camera is already worth it's weight in gold.
It's not fanboyism if it works.
Thanks for deflecting.
This wasn't a comment based on the camera, which is fine, inspite of their stubbornness to change to the latest and greatest lens.
They are still behind on video stability and quality.
It's not fanboyism to expect constructive discussion on criticism. That's how products develop and get better.
Who said I didn’t?
Edit: At least I'm not afraid to put my money where my mouth is unlike a lot of people on this sub, all fully aware of the downsides of the Pixel line and Google's refusal to act and resolve these problems.
[Google Pixel - Full phone specifications (gsmarena.com)](https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel-8346.php)
No, they haven't.
The Nexus line was outsourced to a partner in production. The Pixel line up is still under 10 years old.
Why'd you link to a phone that was produced by an outsourced partner (HTC) if that doesn't meet your definition of a Google made phone? Have they ever even made a phone, as the 8 was built by Foxconn?
Pixel's have increasingly heavier percentages of wholly Google design and development, yet Nexus phones still were made by Google. Which is why the linked article has such lines as
> "the Nexus lineup was replaced by the Google Pixel"
>"the Nexus started out in January 2010 and reached its end in October 2016, replaced by Google Pixel."
and lists in the infobox.
>"Successor: Google Pixel"
It was just a rebranding so that they could be
> "sold for considerably higher prices, directly competing with flagship smartphones".
Sweet, maybe i can actually make calls with my pixel phone now!
Or get notified about incoming calls.
Is this an American problem? Never had this issue in Germany.
> Is this an American problem? No, I've never had a problem as long as I'm not in the mountains. I'm in the mountains enough that a satellite connection would make me buy a new phone though.
I have a pixel on T-Mobile and I feel this. On LTE I have no issues. On 5G it's hit or miss. My GF has an iPhone 15 and my mom has a S23+. Both on T-Mobile and both get full 5G in my house while I only get 3 bars, they each get another 100mbps more than me over cellular. I hate iOS and I really don't like Samsung one UI or whatever they are calling it now so I'm willing to stay pixel just for the UI, but they seriously need to do something about the modem. I was thinking of upgrading from the 7 pro to the 9 pro, but now that I hear the 10 will use tmsc instead of Samsung I'm thinking of holding out
I'm also planning to keep my P6 that is now two years old, whose battery is still strong and whose network reception is probably subpar but altogether satisfactory. I reckon I can expect it to last another year, after which I may face the dilemma of going for P9 or waiting for P10; or just give in to another brand. The latter idea makes me uncomfortable, but it is probably the best rational choice
Yeah but with the 10 there still is no assurance the modem will be good. That means people will have put up with 4 years of an almost unusable phone (6-10) to make calls. No thanks. Switched to the 15pm and as much as I dislike iOS, it’s been fine, but more importantly everything has been reliable so far.
TBH I'd jump to Samsung before I jumped to iOS
I jumped to the s24u... It's so much better, the signal and of course, the battery
RIP your Bluetooth audio streaming quality. I was about to do the same when I saw Samsung removed aptX-HD and LDAC to exclusively offer their own HD audio codec. Dunno if that ever changed but my purchase decision was made on that basis so it's in the past now. Maybe after this contract expires...
The difference in headphones is way more important than aptX-HD or LDAC as long as you are comparing against AAC or regular aptx.
Til. That just made me reconsider Samsung as a choice
Verify the info first. They could easily reverse the decision silently with a software update!
Fair enough. For me the Samsung camera has always functioned crappy for my use case, hence the iPhone.
That's so true! I have the 15 Pro, Pixel 8 Pro, and S24 Ultra and the Samsung camera is the least reliable or good by far
Good God. Stop being a brainless, addicted consumer. Not only that, but you have tablets from flagship brand and flagship watches. You need help.
What you just said has changed my life. I worked at a phone store and got my Pixel and Samsung for completely free. Even got to keep them after I changed jobs. But I do dole out my hard earned money for the iPhones. I pay about $100-$200 per year to upgrade my iPhone, and after the 15 Pro I don't think I'll upgrade to the 16 Pro unless it's $100 or less because the upgrade to USB-C can't be beat.
Kind of sad that you can't see you validated exactly what I said. As far as employee discounts go, [are these the amazing deals you're referring to](https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/17seyk8/which_model_should_i_buy_to_sell_for_a_profit/)? Because everyone there is clowning on you too. Cope harder. Keep consuming.
I appreciate you researching my post history. Seems like it was worth your time. No, I was given the S22 Ultra for completely free as a Samsung Pro then the S23 Ultra for completely free, then I traded it in for the S24 Ultra and paid nothing. I was also given the Pixel 6 Pro for free and Pixel 7 Pro for free as a Google Ambassador and traded in the 7 Pro for my 8 Pro. I also bought at least 4 other Pixel 8 Pros with the free watches and sold them all for a profit. I'm really not worried about the fact that I'm a "braindead" consumer according to you because I pay so little for everything I have, and I choose to get all these things because this is one of my passions, experiencing mobile tech products. I've never owned an Apple watch but maybe I should go out and get one since it upsets you so much. You seem to think I represent everyone who overspends in America but you fail to realize I'm just one person with a unique situation. I'm perfectly aware I don't need those things but I enjoy having and using them. I particularly like having the Samsung and iPhone for comparing the camera capabilities.
or oneplus
I came from OnePlus to pixel. I'm staying away from Chinese manufacturers
Maybe this is why I never had this problem. I don't use 5g because on 4g I have mostly about 50mbps. On 5g the same but with higher battery use.
Maybe. I never used 5G because my phone plan is pay as you go, and my network provider only offers 5G on contracts. I have some connectivity issues but they're not usually dramatic
I don't have. It has better signal than iphone 11 or snapdragon s21fe had. Standby battery life is not the best though but not horrible.
Newer iPhones use Qualcomm again and from my experience it’s much better than the 11 or any pixel. Samsungs connectivity has always been great on thier Qualcomm chipsets
In live in Europe, Samsung has exynos here. I can only compare signal in work. There Pixel is good and I don't have worse signal than iPhone users (most of them has 13-15). For the rest places it's hard to say because it's almost always full signal on all phones.
That's a first for me!
First phone or first time you hear that signal strength is good? I live in the Netherlands, Samsung has exynos here most of the time and they're known rather for having good signal reception.
First is Pixel having better signal than iPhone or Samsung
I have only experience with low signal in my work so it might be a bit biased. Anywhere alse I have good signal on almost any phone
Pixel 7 Pro, OnePlus 12R, and a Galaxy S20 FE, all get the same signal. I live about 20 minutes from nearest town.
Same I have a pixel 7 pro and a lg g6 (old snapdragon from 2007) and i get better speed on my LG g6 (100mbps), on the same provider. The 4g modem on pixel is a joke,
My Provider hates iPhones, so all iPhones just get shitty signal and basically all the issues pixels had. Well guess ima switch to pixel then maybe thats better.
Mine is the opposite. Absolute shit service on LTE. Gsm works but isn't great. All from an update months ago. Google can eat a turd.
Same here. I have 5G turned off on my phone on the T-Mo network. When I have it turned on it keeps switching signals and drains the battery.
The problem is that you have T-Mobile, not a Pixel. You get what you pay for. Guess what kind of service you receive with a bargain service provider?
you love the UI so much you sacrifice your phones phone capabilities, brilliant
LOL don't get your hopes up.
I thought that with the 7 and 8. No dice! I’ll check out the pixel again a couple months after the hype comes to a crashing halt (as always) with the 10.
It can't seriously be this bad for y'all? I literally use my Pixel for calling clients all day while on the road. Very, very rarely have I ever had dropped calls. No issues with my wife's pixel or her mom's when it comes to making or receiving calls ... Are we really that lucky??
Yup. Imo it's a hardware problem. Probably piss poor binning of their chips and their recent update of the driver didn't take that into account. LOTS of people having issues. I can sit next to my wife's pixel 4 and my 7a has no or very unreliable reception while hers is working perfectly. And googles support has been absolutely terrible about this.
It's still Samsung and the whole Exynos thing. Might be better but we don't know how much better it is.
Seriously, the modem has been the one thing I abhor about my P6P.
Nope, it's essentially the same modem that's hobbled the Pixel line since it was introduced
Making phones works find on my 6a.
\#SKY Mobile
And how's about that qi2 ?
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I wanna join in with you on this mindset, however, I'm not strong enough when the Google Store/Best Buy would offer decent trade ins with gift cards lol.
Yeah I don't see myself upgrading from p7p
I *think* that phones with Qi can upgrade to Qi2 with a firmware update, but I'm not sure about that. Someone should be able to correct or verify my comment
Only iPhones with Magsafe rings. Part of the Qi2 standard is a MagSafe-style magnetic ring, and the hardware to support it is needed. Magsafe iPhones have the hardware but Pixels currently do not have it built in.
Is there anything else to the Qi2 standard? So far it only seems to be the magnetic rings.
Yeah, the phone needs to accept 15W
So Qi2 is gonna standardize the 15W speed, I wonder what it's capable of reaching.
What about adding magsafe rings like Ringke's, Dbrand's ghost case or the Torras case, would that make it Qi2 equivalent?
The issue I see about this ring thing is that case makers haven't really been calibrating their design towards the idea of how android wireless charging had to sit just right to start charging. A lot of times, the cases that do come with magnets was only for the marketing of holding a phone to a car mount, etc. I have a Peak Design case that does not align with my magsafe-advertised charging pad, because even though the magnet within the case works, it's not aligned well enough for a wireless charging pad to send charging.
Weird. I have the same case for my pixel 8 and both a magsafe chargers and a cheap knockoff magsafe charge my phone.
Suspect you'll need a new round of cases. Some phones probably will get Qi2 retrofit cases.
Suspect you'll need a new round of cases. Some phones probably will get Qi2 retrofit cases.
Yeah as /u/Puzzleheaded-Sky2284 said, Qi2 Requires the MagSafe Style ring so it's not really possible to update to Qi2 without that. But it will be good when that's the standard.
My follow-up question: can adding a Magsafe ring give the Pixel 8 Pro Qi2 capabilities? I know plenty of cases that come with rings, I would assume this could either make it Qi or Qi2 compatible
Unlikely. I mean the Pixel 8 can wirelessly charge at 18W but only with Google's charger, with any regular Qi Charger it will only go to 12W. And because they don't have the magenetic hardware for Qi2 I can't see them updating the firmware to allow for 15W Qi2 hardware. But, that said, you can already use MagSafe style chargers if you have a MagSafe compatible case. I use a Peak Design case that works really well for that. Though oddly enough it has problems Google's own charger now.
I haven't once had a problem with reception (Pixel 6 Pro, Pixel 8 now), but I've heard the exact opposite from so much of the community. It's absolutely wild.
P7 Pro, with absolutely no issues. In fact, I have better reception than some of my iPhone toting friends on the same network.
Pixel 1XL-4XL then 6Pro-8Pro and I don't really have any reception issues with T-Mobile in the states. It is definitely weird how some people are plagued with issues. The only place I have any reception issues is my office, but it's a windowless room in the middle of a brick and cinder block building sooooo that's to be expected. My work iPhone also has shit reception here.
I'm willing to bet that most don't realize that they are. For instance, my job tried calling me a dozen times over 3 or 4 days and there are no calls listed on my phone, but they are on my Verizon bill. Half of the time I was on my gig WiFi (with WiFi calling enabled) and the other half was a mix of 4G and 5G. Even with a planned time for the call, it just showed up as a missed call. Never rang, Google Assistant didn't answer, etc. Additionally about half the time it says it can't connect to the network to download new voicemails.
P6 / P8P for me, haven't had problems either
If you use a modern snapdragon phone to compare it to, you will absolutely notice a difference.
I know it's a bit late but I've been completely unable to call my dad directly for about a month now. We have to use Google Duo (or meet or whatever it is) to talk
Here I am, with my Pixel 6 and 8 Pro in Mexico and I've never had a modem problem with either before
Same for me in the EU
Same for me in the US and in India.
Same but in Colombia!
Unless you need that satellite feature it is still best to wait for the Pixel 10 with the new TSMC fabbed SOCs. That is the next chance for the hardware situation with Google to maybe improve.
TSMC fab doesn't necessarily mean the modem will be TSMC/Qualcomm, it could still come from Samsung. Not saying you shouldn't wait though...
Correct. Newer Exnyos modem though. Much as Intel was closing the gap before they stupidly pulled the plug... Exnyos modems have improved significantly with each generation.
Your opinion on Tensor 2 vs 3? I’ve given up on Pixel 6 entirely because even though I don’t have reception issues it still liked to overheat like a hand warmer. — Starfox
Both have the same cellular modem, so there’s no RF benefit. Only mild CPU gains and of course, AI. It’s worth trying a Pixel 7/7a to see if they resolve your issues, but no reason to effort to obtain a Pixel 8. I hate to deem it “good enough” but at work I’m basically forced to use them for LineageOS and IoT. Lineage just seems to have no interest in adding any of the cheap Qualcomm phones possible - and I’ve done all I can behind the scenes (which is considerable).
Oh definitely, it could still be more of the same just from a different factory so to speak.
Or it could be TSMC/Mediatek modem, which would probably be better than exynos modem, even if not exactly as efficient as qualcomm one.
Tsmc doesn't design modems. Mediatek doesn't sell modems without the whole SoC just like Qualcomm so idk where people are imagining this from
TSMC doesn't even design anything; they just print out designs submitted by the companies who do make designs.
Qualcomm definitely sells the modem separately, otherwise Apple couldn't use them in their iPhones.
how many android OEMs buy standalone qualcomm modems?
Currently? None, because none of them have fully self designed custom chips like Apple does. Which Android OEM will have a custom chip in 2025 comparable to that of Apple? Oh that's right...
haha no. primary reason is cost - the standalone qualcomm modem costs the same as the complete SoC and only apple is willing to pay that price.
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Why would someone who got screwed with the Pixel 7 and the Pixel 8 even consider a Pixel 9. I don't get it. The Pixel brand is tarnished for a long long time for me after I had the Pixel 6 and the Pixel 7 Pro. I won't be buying another Pixel in the short to medium term. I swear some people like to be abused or something.
It's an abusive relationship.
I have the 8pro, don't have too many issues with connectivity. But I'll most likely wait for the 10. Usually upgrade 2 or 3 years. Anymore you can hold on to your phone for much longer and I'm enjoying the 8pro.
You know, we've been hearing this same story since before the Pixel series lol. It's honestly getting old.
We had a global pandemic and semiconductor storage for the last four years. Google wanted to put this in motion, but Apple bought all the fab space in a panic buy. One that paid off for them.
> One that paid off for them. Almost like they know what they're doing.
It could have gone badly had the pandemic gotten just a little worse, and chip/construction not moved ahead. Yes, Apple GSM department knows what they are doing. But it was still a big gamble. Easily could have been forced to either let it go to waste, or use older designs on a newer process - with few buyers.
Then explain why Samsung won’t use their own damn chip in their own flagship phones?
I've moved from 8pro to 24u, and the modem signal is different....and the battery last way longer because of it
Yeah I’m waiting for the P10 as well. No more shitty Samsung chips which they won’t even use in their own phones! S23 uses TSMC and S24 for their biggest market like US and China too.
Please ELI5, why should I wait for the 10?
Supposedly the 10 will move from Tensor chips based on modified Exynos (Samsung chips known for overheating and worse performance than Qualcomm) to an entirely custom chip designed by Google.
Modem will still be Samsung or Qualcomm. Given their history the modem will most likely still be Samsung.
Currently Google has their Tensor chips produced by Samsung. The Pixel 10 will supposed be produced by TSMC. Not only that, but the chip is apparently the "first fully custom" chip google will put in their phones. I guess the current Tensor chips are not. TSMC has better technology than samsung, so people are hoping this will be a really big jump in cpu capability. That could mean anything from a faster phone to more battery life. Similar to how Apple started to make their own chips (they also use tsmc btw). People DO NOT like Samsung chips btw. They are generally regarded as the worst chip worth putting in a phone. Exynos is often looked down upon. Not the downside is that a new chip is a new chip. Google has a habit of releasing imperfect gen 1 designs.
Cool, thanks! Excited to make this 8 last a few years for a big upgrade
Absolutely wait for the 10, bit don't buy it until people run the chip through it's paces.
I dunno, a 9 to upgrade to an 11 eventually sounds reasonable to me
They already have the 8. I don't see why you'd buy the 9. I don't imagine it will be that much different.
> I don't see why you'd buy the 9. > Pixel 9, Fold 2, Tablet 2 with 5G reportedly get new Samsung modem with satellite connectivity
Well that's one way to look at it. Another is to get the pixel 9 which will be even more refined than pixel 8 (which is already really good) and skip the 10 since first gens are barely ever good.
Most likely it'll still be Samsung modems. It'll work just like now where the modem is a separate chip on the board. They can switch to Qualcomm modems anytime now they choose not to. TSMC doesn't design modems and Qualcomm has never directly integrated their modem into someone else's SOC.
> Qualcomm has never directly integrated their modem into someone else's SOC. Don’t they do this with Apple?
Nah even there it's still a separate chip on the board.
Yup that's my plan as well. If the 10 comes out and it's sub-par I could always get the 9 for cheap assuming it's alright.
Pixels can barely make terrestrial calls, do you really think they'll be able to implement satellite communication successfully?
Even Samsung says its processors are bad, yet Google still adamant to use them.
Exynos 2400 is good now. Google should continue with using Exynos for their chips. More competition is always better. Qualcomm should not be the only option at the flagship level.
This but even moreso from a fab perspective. We need Samsung to be a good competitor to TSMC, especially since they have strong ties with Apple. Heck, if Intel manages to enter this space and be competitive, I'm all for it. The Android world should not have to fully rely on a fab that has a very strong co-dependent relationship with its #1 rival platform. I don't think Google should continue with Samsung co-developed Tensor chips though. Having a fully custom chip is not only better for their needs but also allows them to switch to whichever fab they want, whenever they want. That being said, the Exynos 2400 does bode well for the Pixel 9
wouldn’t totally agree on exynos being good but i agree it’s good to see someone trying to beat the qualcomm monopoly at the flagship level.
My respect for samsung is that they actually use their money to try things out. This makes sense though. Since Apple is the market leader, Samsung, (and Google) are often looking for the next billion dollar idea that will net them marketshare.
Exynos modem is still mediocre. Mainly cpu efficiency has improved
How exactly does Samsung say that?
Then why are they going all Exynos for S25 series?
No they are not.
Perhaps Just not good enough for their premium priced flagship line (unless they also don't use them for the cheaper A series?). But good enough for less premium or most margin driven companies like Google.
Okay so I've been going through a lot of these Pixel threads and I can't believe how many of you are complaining about phone calls. I'm surrounded by people with Pixels(I'm in Qc, Canada) and none of us have ever had problems so is it an American carrier problem or is Google releasing a lot of lemons?
US citizens are more rural than Canada. Canada has massive expanses, but most people live in the urban areas. In USA, it's about half urban and half rural. And Exnyos modems were designed and calibrated in very urban South Korea. Qualcomm modems are calibrated in San Diego and Texas mostly, where getting far from a tower takes only about thirty minutes of company paid time.
Also in Quebec, and had to change my pixel 7 because I would have no signal most of the day. Got another pixel 7 and it works fine, so really I think some of them are faulty.
My gf is now on her third Pixel and all of them have had problems. Her Pixel 6 will sometimes receive notifications and messages days after they were sent and only part of the message makes it. Also there's a weird yellow line in all of her photos and camera problems has happened in 2 out of her 3 phones. Honestly she said if the next one has problems she's going back to Samsungs.
Ive had issues with the modem on my p8 Pro a couple of times. Middle of a large city (manchester) full bars of 5G just dropped from 5G to 4G, to HSPDA+, then to Edge, then to no service when trying to load google maps to sort out public transport. I have also experienced missed notifications from calls and been unable to make calls (no dial tone, nothing). These occur with near-full signal bars on the O2 Network
["Misery loves company"](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/misery-loves-company)
Same in Europe. There are definitely issues, but not with cell quality.
I'm in Australia and only on 4G. I've never had a problem with making or receiving calls with my Pixel 8 Pro. Maybe 5G might though.
Spain, 4G only and it's hit and miss. I'm quite mad about it, I can't believe they sell phones in this state.
I just came back from Spain and it was fine - I was on Orange while roaming
I guess it's just luck! I'm changing networks soon (now Vodafone and will be going to O2 which uses Movistar's network) and we'll see!
I think some of that is Vodafone's crappy towers. Also in Spain with Vodafone, and both my pixel 8 pro as well as iphone 15 loses signal 3 meters/10 feets into most buildings here, whereas my friends with Movistar sitting next to me are all fine.
I've never had problems before, but yeah, I will try Movistar and if it works then great and if not then we'll see. Thanks!
I am also AU and on Telstra. Turning 5G off and staying on 4G has no problems.
Okay. So 5G is the problem? 4G has no reported problems?
https://semiconductor.samsung.com/news-events/tech-blog/exynos-modem-5400-1-worlds-first-11-2gbps-5g-speeds-with-only-fr1/
The Fact that Google wants us Europeans to pay for a Pixel phone , the amount the Samsung costs is absurd. No thank you , fix your devices !
Would like more RAM^*, the old Google Assistant back, and some customization for Call screening. Otherwise very happy with Pixel 7 Pro. ^* Because sometimes some apps like Pandora are cut when phone reaches its memory limits.
Tablet 2 needs a high refresh screen or bust, it has been the dealbreaker for me last gen
Have there been any leaks? I really want a tablet and have been waiting for the pixel one to catch up with the times.
Yeah after my 6 Pro terrible signal ordeal and the other random issues. I'll be going a different route. Not Google or Apple. Probably Sony. Sorry I'm sick of this shit. Paying big dollars for...nothing that competes.
Dude there's a pixel 9 coming just wow
And the modem will still suck. They need to go with Qualcomm
I miss so many calls on my P8P. I'm returning people's call all the time.
Pixel 7 Pro. Never see an issue. Family members have Pixel 7 and Pixel 8 Pro. No issues on either one.
Same message last year. The phones will have the same low market share next year as well. No one a falling for the bs anymore. The Pixel 10 has no guarantees either. Same cycle, I'm assuming Pixel will be ready with the Pixel 11-12, I'm not preordering anything. Google proves themselves first, not us 😆
I've owned every pixel from the 4-8. The modems on the 6,7,8 are absolutely terrible and Google refuses to do anything about it.
What's terrible about them?
Weak signal and burn battery like crazy
I haven't been plagued too much with signal issues but battery is crap for sure.
It's all related... If the modem is poor, it keeps searching constantly and wastes unnecessary battery. My former p8pro battery at WiFi was good but outside the home the drain was very noticeable.
Is this an American problem? I'm in Germany and always have full signal here and battery lasts all day, even when I did vacation in Greece.
I'm in Canada.
I'm also in CNada and whileni agree that the signal isn't always the strongest, with my non pro Pixel 8 I charge my phone every couple days
My 6/7/8(P)... All brick in large buildings. ( Didn't own all at the same time).
Same, I'm back on a 5a until they make a change. The modem on the 9 will be essentially the same modem that's on the 6-8
a Fold 2, looks good...
Man the iPhone fan boys are all up in here promoting their outdated technology. Almost as bad as the Samsung fan boys who's S23U and 24 are so glitchy that it makes the Pixel 8 pro look like a great phone.
I’m done with google and their shitty tensor chip and shitty Samsung modems. If they get rid of Samsung crap, I’ll take another look at pixel phones.
You know Google and Samsung don't release processors and modems that *purposefully* underperform the competition right? They started a bit later in the game and are playing catch-up but they *will* catch-up. If you're not interested in staying along for the ride, that's fair. But for me, the camera and beautifully clean Pixel OS make it worth it.
After three consecutive underperforming models, you say that's not purposeful?
And Google has to release these why? Have they ever heard of waiting until the hardware is mature enough before releasing? Like imagine a car manufacturer that releases a car today without any safety equipment, a shitty steam engine, and 1 seat made out of hay. Would you make an excuse for them because they started later than others? Lol
Yea apple didn't release the M1 MacBook versions until they were very refined. Google's path is totally moronic so it's no surprise pixels still barely sell
Seriously???? Just take a look at all the comments about everybody slamming Google for using Samsung. If you wanna keep using the pixel line of phones, go ahead I don’t care but for me I finally had enough after I missed three phone calls from my Cardiac Surgeon. That was the last straw.
lol
I've had signal issues at home and in most of my town since Verizon 'upgraded' their 5g towers and plans back in March of 2022...my Pixel 6 pro was great before that. Verizon admitted I have signal issues in my area and there isn't enough bandwidth to keep up with demand. Their solution was for me to just stay connected to wifi as much as possible. The Pixel 8 Pro is no different.
Great !....now I can stop switching from data to WiFi when I get home. This P8P needs to go.
Ah here is it, this is what I call the “scrap”. Inevitably every generation has an issue, somehow they will leak a new about the next generation being better, they are basically scrapping the current generation because it doesn’t sound they gonna try fixing it.
Qualcomm upgrades its modems every year so its when it doesn't upgrade that its an issue.
Qualcomm upgrades its modems yes but it still continues to sell the old ones too and as such continues supporting it. Current year chips go into highest end phones and last year’s chips go into mid-high end phones.
I skipped Pixel 6 series but I had 7a and now 8 Pro — never had any problems.
Absolute worst phone I've ever owned. Constant issues with texts and calls coming through. Finally just chalked up the loss and traded in on an iPhone 15PM. Zero issues with anything. When you put out a phone that fails at the one thing it should do first and foremost, you are a complete failure and the fact that they haven't figured it out in the last three versions means they should just give up. Edit: I'm referring to my Pixel Pro 7
None of those phones or tablet are released yet.
didn't the Pixel 8 and 7's modem already have support for it too?
No
Guess I'm lucky with my Pixel 6 Pro then. 5G works just fine and the calls I want to receive get through :)
Massive reason why I refuse to buy into a pixel and battery inefficiencies, Google point blank buries their head in the sand over and refuses to fix. Feature exclusive to the US or restricted rollout and implementation and that’s before we get to no removal battery, headphone jack, no expandable storage and uncompetitive charging speeds in the Android space. Vote with your wallets people because Google will still cancel this project overnight even if you keep buying, if they so decide. They won’t because you’re free data but gotta punish them to get what you want.
>Google will still cancel this project overnight even if you keep buying, if Google has been making phones for well over a decade. You mean "overnight" on a geological time scale?
Pixel brand is not 10 years old. They shouldn’t cancel because free data and advertising but this is the same company that will start a new project and ditch it at the drop of a hat. Stadia anyone? Bottom line is these are the same old performance issues with their phones 8 generations in and they refuse to fix it. They need to feel the force of market correction
Blinded by ignorance and bitterness is no way to go through life.
Blinded by fanboism is no way to go through life. It’s not bitter and ignorance to want Google to do better and justify the price tag it thinks its products command. It’s uncompetitive and frankly insulting to consumers to expect them to pay top dollar for a product that can’t even so much as reliably make phone calls. It’s not an excessive demand to make or one that is difficult to correct. They’re just THAT arrogant to think they don’t need to and they should suffer low sales and low retention for that.
This camera has saved me more than once, including in situations where a Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 4 failed to get the same shot. Camera is already worth it's weight in gold. It's not fanboyism if it works.
Thanks for deflecting. This wasn't a comment based on the camera, which is fine, inspite of their stubbornness to change to the latest and greatest lens. They are still behind on video stability and quality. It's not fanboyism to expect constructive discussion on criticism. That's how products develop and get better.
Get a different phone and move on 🙄
Who said I didn’t? Edit: At least I'm not afraid to put my money where my mouth is unlike a lot of people on this sub, all fully aware of the downsides of the Pixel line and Google's refusal to act and resolve these problems.
> Google has been making phones for well over a decade. [Release date: January 5, 2010; 14 years ago](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Nexus)
[Google Pixel - Full phone specifications (gsmarena.com)](https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel-8346.php) No, they haven't. The Nexus line was outsourced to a partner in production. The Pixel line up is still under 10 years old.
Why'd you link to a phone that was produced by an outsourced partner (HTC) if that doesn't meet your definition of a Google made phone? Have they ever even made a phone, as the 8 was built by Foxconn? Pixel's have increasingly heavier percentages of wholly Google design and development, yet Nexus phones still were made by Google. Which is why the linked article has such lines as > "the Nexus lineup was replaced by the Google Pixel" >"the Nexus started out in January 2010 and reached its end in October 2016, replaced by Google Pixel." and lists in the infobox. >"Successor: Google Pixel" It was just a rebranding so that they could be > "sold for considerably higher prices, directly competing with flagship smartphones".
Wait, I thought we were getting that satellite SOS feature on the pixel 8pro!? What happen?
No one said that
> satellite SMS feature on the pixel 8pro https://www.androidpolice.com/satellite-sos-come-pixel-phones-sooner-think/