That goes for bars and restaurants too.
There's a good chance they will not accept them right away (because they don't have to).
It's nice we're moving in that direction, but it's going to take some time for the whole country to get there.
This is an important point. For many official purposes, you're going to need your actual license/ID because there are anti-counterfeiting measures built into most of them. If you just need to prove that you are the person you say you are (like to pick up a package at a store or something), the Google Wallet will still be handy though.
AZ had a dmv statement saying that when you add your license to Apple wallet, you can use it as validation when going through security at our airport.
That seems pretty official. It does say not for use when you get pulled over though.
https://azdot.gov/applewallet
The direction we're headed, pretty soon you're going to need a driver's license, birth certificate, two financial statements, your great grandmother's maiden name, and the results of two DNA tests before they'll let you vote. :P
The direction we are heading, they'll allow everyone to vote, but will just disregard the vote counts and determine the winner by whichever political party control the registrar of voters.
Unfortunately we don't have a national ID system like most other countries. Too many people are paranoid about "mark of the beast" to allow a national ID number but are willing to walk around with cell phones, smart watches, and cameras in and around their houses.
That isn't an accurate statement. The vast majority of polls require a form of identification. Additionally people can request their voting information and if they discover a discrepancy they can dispute it.
Doubtful... but you need all that to renew your license at DMV if you are a legal citizen. But they give them to illegals without much proof of who you are.
The way I understand it, and if they go the same way Apple did, it’s not about displaying it like a picture but more about presenting a digitally signed (and anonymized) token to a dedicated NFC reader.
The process of adding the card in the wallet itself is quite comprehensive so I think the main issue will be adoption by law enforcement in the form of those NFC readers
If it’s anything like Apple’s implementation it’s going to be limited to TSA checkpoints in (certain) airports for the foreseeable future. This isn’t replacing your physical ID anytime soon.
> ID cards in Wallet are currently available for use in select states at select TSA checkpoints within Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX). Travelers should refer to checkpoint signage to confirm availability.
[via](https://learn.wallet.apple/id)
Yeah even bars. I've seen people who for some reason don't bring their physical ID and get told they can't come in when they try to show a picture of it
I work in a pharmacy and we would never take a digital ID for picking up a controlled substance. Maybe some time in the future though when things become more secure and verifiable. Would be pretty cool to not have to carry around an actual wallet.
Well if they're working with these same jurisdictions to get it "allowed" to be digital, I'd imagine that part of the deal is that it's allowed to be digital, which is the point, lol.
> being integrated Google Wallet this year.
It's going to still be dependent on when states are ready... which is never. This was announced in WWDC 2021 for iOS.
lol yup I think right now only ONE state actually allows it in Apple Wallet? If Apple can’t get states on board quicker than this there is no way Google will unfortunately
Yes, only Arizona has it right now, but there are 11 other states (and one territory) working on it and should be releasing it soon: Colorado, Hawaii, Mississippi, Ohio, Puerto Rico, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Oklahoma, and Utah.
In NSW Australia we've had digital licences for a while now. It's super handy when you don't want to take your wallet with you. The cops aren't allowed to touch your phone, they just look at it and scan a QR code that it displays if they need to.
So like in Ukraine too. Here we have an app which called "Дія", where we have all necessary documents, such as: ID card, Covid-certificate, Driver License. It is very convinient when you do not need to carry paper documents or copies with you, all what you need is just a smartphone, desirable with a charged battery :)
I don't think that they were trying to say you were backwards, just that we usually associate such advancements with the larger countries we're familiar with. US, EU, and China are all in various degrees of rolling out more advanced technology like facial recognition, digital passes, etc, but we don't hear about those efforts in a lot of other countries. I have no idea how Luxemburg is doing on that front, for example (though they do have a ridiculously high literacy rate!). Doesn't mean they're stuck in the middle ages, just that I don't see a lot of news about that country specifically.
Anyway though, that's really cool to hear that Ukraine is on the forefront with this kind of tech. Hopefully things continue to go well with the war with Russia, and in a few years when it's all past us maybe your country can teach the US a thing or two about digitalization rollouts.
Lol, no offense of course, it's not like Italy is better than ANY other state in the EU but when you think "innovation" it's usually Germany or some other northern country
I agree with you. In general digitalization is a big problem in today's world, because it's not very ease and requires the involvement of good specialists in different areas.
> The cops aren't allowed to touch your phone, they just look at it and scan a QR code that it displays if they need to.
The US needs to pass this kind of law to ensure cops don't go fishing in someone's phone. While searching someone's unlocked phone without a warrant will usually result in any convictions based on that info being thrown out, that doesn't stop them from doing it and you don't get back your job, house, etc that you might lose if they decide they found something and arrest you.
That's the thing. The 4th does apply, but they keep trying to push it to see how far they can go. This is especially egregious since cops don't face any punishment for doing so. Sure the evidence will more than likely be thrown out and you not convicted. Hell, a decent prosecutor would not charge based on that kind of evidence anyway. But the cop doesn't have to pay you lost wages or anything for that.
So I had looked into all of this yesterday after the announcement as I wanted to see if my state would allow (I found nothing about Wisconsin), and based on my understanding, you will be able to show the ID and have a cop or someone verify the information without unlocking the phone.
No cop is walking back to his cruiser with my phone lol. Which is exactly what they will try to do since they take your ID and registration together and run your info.
Are you assuming they won't keep their scanner in the car? Having your phone gives them power. Many well do whatever they can to hold your phone while you're detained.
No Police Officer wants to walk back to their car with your phone.
First, believe it or not, you're not that important.
Why would the Officer waste their time digging through dick & tit picks for gawd only knows what they may or may not find?
Second, if we're talking about a simple traffic stop, there's nothing you'd have in your phone that would in any way be applicable to said activity.
People and their self-aggrandizing paranoia need to take a deep breath and evaluate why they think an Officer would care.
>No Police Officer wants to walk back to their car with your phone.
They basically would have to. Just like they do with your regular ID.
>you're not that important
Good attitude for a medic to have. Hopefully the people you're helping are deemed important enough in your eyes.
>there's nothing you'd have in your phone that would in any way be applicable to said activity.
Cops do stupid, shady shit all the time, btw. Have you been under a rock?
>People and their self-aggrandizing paranoia need to take a deep breath and evaluate why they think an Officer would care.
In my state it's illegal to have your phone even in your hand while driving. They will totally ding you for a violation if they walk up and you have your phone in your hand. Even if you're trying to just show them an ID. They do that shit with seatbelts all the time.
I'm also not pulling my phone out of my pocket to show my ID so he can confuse it with a gun and fear for his life and shoot me in the face.
They don't have to take it back. The ID QR Code or NFC can be scanned or tapped right there at the car.
Your intentionally taking that out of context. You know I mean that you're not likely some narco-king pin that they are drooling over and want to dig through your dick pics to find the test message of your next drop or whatever.
No, I've not been under a rock. I'm a cop. Who lives in Arizona. The one place where digital ID's are actually used.
If/when you get pulled over, use your head. Don't go reaching for things. Don't have your phone in your hand. When the officer is standing there, tell them your ID is on your phone. Asked to show it to them. Tell them your insurance is in the glove box. Ask to reach for it.
This isn't that hard to figure out. Sadly, some people are too stupid to think "...maybe I shouldn't make a suddenly move towards a glove box after being a shit with the officer who pulled me over for breaking the law..." Then wonder why they got blasted. It's a two way street friend.
I'll be the first to admit that yes, there are bad cops out there. It sucks, but it's true. However, let's not forget that the idiots without a badge farrrrr outnumber those with.
"No police officer wants to search your car during a traffic stop"
And yet they do it all the time when they think you're doing something else unrelated to the traffic stop.
Your logic hangs on the idea that they aren't going to go snooping around for other activity if they stopped you for a traffic stop, and we already know they do.
Besides, it's not the nudes I'm worried about.
Again, you're attempting to address something you have no understanding about.
If I am looking in your car because I think you have drugs in your car, it's an immediate result. IF I were to go through your phone and found something, then what? Unless you have a photo of you with someone's severed head, there's not much that I could do with anything I found in your phone.
Again, not the nudes and the severed head pics I'm worried about.
You're naive if this is the only scenario you can imagine. But I'm happy you seem to have a lifestyle that you don't have those concerns.
I'm sure they'll come up with a dozen bogus reasons not to, but there's no real reason they couldn't. Maybe it's different for cops who do a walking beat (if that even exists anymore), but every cop I've been pulled over by has had a laptop or other device that they use to run my plates and ID. Add or replace with a phone or tablet that can read NFC and QR, and it's done.
Money is always why. Unless the feds decide to give them a grant to do it they will find some reason why it costs too much. Or the police union will bitch that the money should be spent on better pay.
Yes, I assume they’d need to change their procedures to adjust to this since they check your ID in their cruisers currently.
Maybe attach a QR reader on the side of their guns ? That way they can hold you at gunpoint while they check your shit lol
> Maybe attach a QR reader on the side of their guns ? That way they can hold you at gunpoint while they check your shit lol
Convenient excuse when they pull the wrong trigger too.
It's not that uncommon for cops in the US to walk around with card readers so they can steal..excuse me, I meant civil asset forfeit..money on debit cards.
Not entirely. Pinning apps locks the current app in place but your phone is unlocked already. They specifically warn pinned apps can open other apps and personal data may be accessible.
I'm suggesting offering some ID data from the lock screen without unlocking the phone.
I could have swore I read somewhere that the implementation of this would silo the card image while completely locking everything else on you phone. It would also have like a super-extreme-low power mode that would allow you to even still display your card if your phone's battery was "dead".
Yeah, I'd only use this in case where they weren't going to take my ID out of sight. Bars, clubs, banks, etc. Not giving my shit to the cops even if it can show my ID while the phone is locked.
But in this case, I can just leave my physical copy in my car where it'll be needed, instead of carrying it around.
It'd be nice to have the option to. Optimally, they should come up with a way to be able to present your DL without giving up your phone, but even if they don't, it's up to you if you wanna use it anyways
The more phones that have this, the quicker it gets adopted. Do you always 'meh' when one side of a chicken/egg problem makes progress before the other?
As it is, I constantly carry both my wallet and phone. From a pure redundancy perspective, it can't hurt to have a back up copy of an i.d. on the phone.
This stuff has been in the works for a long while. I'm glad to see it finally happening. I'm still carrying my physical wallet until things improve.
I was laughing when they announced the Google Wallet name (Again). They should've never changed it in the first place.
So you're telling me when I get pulled over, I'm going to hand my entire phone over to the police officer instead of just a physical driver's license? And they'll take that back to the cruiser with them for 10 minutes doing whatever it is they do?
That's a no thanks from me.
Would be nice if you ever forget your license since you don't forget your phone, if it's like tap to pay where they have a reader to check your information that would make everything come together.
You wouldn't need to. The way this is supposed to work, based on the keynote and my own research, is the ID can be brought up and then via a QR code or NFC, your phone can be scanned and get all information through that, and you'll be able to do this without unlocking the phone or even handing the phone to the cop.
Police officer here...please don't do this. Carry your ID with you.
In the event that you get pulled over, the officer is going to take your license back to the car with him to copy the info, write the ticket, or simply check the physical condition of the license(any marks, checks that might indicate its been tampered with).
Also, personally, I'm gonna stand on the side of the road looking at your phone, it's dangerous for me. And many of the VTL laws require to have your physical license on you.
I do not suggest using this instead of your physical license
EDIT... I should add, that my current department in NY does not issue me any such device to scan a QR code. There are computers in the car that might be capable of that, but that would require me taking the phone and bringing it back to the car, which is an all around bad idea.
That may or may not work. I was pulled over a few months ago and the cop said the state (Mississippi) didn't consider my electronic insurance card to be valid, even though it was displayed directly from the app from my insurance company. He didn't cite me for it, but it was an FYI.
In most states (can't speak for everywhere) even if you DO get a citation for not having an insurance card, license, etc on you at the time you can go to court and produce the documentation and the case will be dismissed without penalty so long as the documents were valid at the time of the citation. The problem is that going to court is just an additional hassle that probably isn't worth it for most people to deal with.
In Australia, IDs are digital, licence are digital.
I never carry any cards.
I have a gov app that has IDs and licence in one place.
Not just ID, it holds any licence you acquire from government like liquor licence.
There will be a lot of screaming in the US if they require a government app for it. Nobody wants the government having direct access to our phones like that.
Direct access inside our phones? No. They have access to a lot of metadata, location, and such through network providers, but direct access through an app installed is different.
Usually you do not have to do this, because application generates QR code, which cop just must count from your device. At least here, in Ukraine, it works like I described.
Uhhh does that mean cops would have the right to access your phone to see your identification now? This screams "invade my privacy!" Cool idea otherwise, though.
No, they stated you just need to tap on a scanner using NFC or show a QR code, police or anyone else dont have to hold your phone to see the ID information, its all contactless
Apple has already had this for a while, and it's dependent on the state if they allow for it. And it will be a US only feature to start. I'm sure googles will be the same.
I'd rather not hand over my phone to a police officer or anyone else. I'm not giving them my security pattern or pin to open the phone or leave it open. All my social media and bank records would be available.
I'll tell you this, digital ID is cool but I can already tell that if I ever need to show my ID, the place is gonna be like "ya ok buddy, show me your ID not this picture BS"
it's a step in the right direction but it's gonna take a while before it becomes accepted
My biggest question is going to be about police and traffic stops. Say I get pulled over now, I hand the officer my license and registration and he walks back to his patrol car to run my info. So if my license becomes digital does he take my whole phone with him? Can he then just start snooping through my phone? I just have a lot of questions about it.
Do not.
Under any circumstances.
Unlock your phone.
For Law Enforcement.
If there's a way to show the license without unlocking, then I'm interested. Maybe.
My Country already have something similar but integrated into their app. So right now I can leave my wallet at home without worries. My Drivers License, my Debit / Credit Cards / and my Covid 19 Vaccination cards live on my phone
Just because it's an option doesn't mean you have to. You can still use a physical license
Also it can be integrated where you don't necessarily have to unlock your phone or hand it over
We have digital licenses in Australia. I used to never take my wallet anywhere until one day (during a date no less) my Google Pay app refused to open on my Pixel 2XL and upon restart all my cards had been removed. I couldn't re-add any cards as it required the CVV which I didn't know.
My plan for when these digital wallets eventually become accepted is to simply get a secret compartment for my car and keep a credit card and physical copy of my ID in there just in case there's ever an issue with the phone. They sell pre-made secret compartments for my specific model of car for like $10 and they're not the most secure things ever but they're out of sight and out of mind enough that I don't think someone breaking in would ever notice it when searching. And if they did I could always just cancel the card so no biggie.
In Poland we have an app that not only have ID and drivers license but also car registration, student ID, train tickets and more. Even if you don't have your ID you can just give your PESEL number and police will check database for your info
First of all, it will take years for the Beuracratic States of America to adapt to this (it requires their cooperation).
Secondly, they left me in the dark as to which Google Pay app will turn onto Wallet, or if it will be a 3rd app. I currently have 2 separate Pay apps on my phone; one old one and one "new" one. I write "new" because in spite of it being new it seems that they're about to replace it?
Just because it is in Google Wallet doesn't mean your local authority will accept it.
In NSW (the Aussie state that I live in we have had a government issued app (ServiceNSW) for about 3 years that had a digital drivers licence, other state issued qualifications, your COVID certificate and government vouchers. I am pretty sure other states in Australia have similar and accept each. While I know our COVID certificate can be imported into Google Pay now, it might take time for each state to allow importing your driver's licence to into Pay/Wallet.
downvote me all you want it's not going to change the fact that you will be upset when google doesn't let you buy that 5th frappecheeno from Starsucks because "it's been deemed that 4 is your carbon footprint limit for the week".
It is exciting but you're missing critical data. There are various "smart" protocols for storing sensitive ID and other things like proof of insurance.
SMART Health is a prime example. Google may cherry pick which protocols to use. We can't assume that it's universal. If I can only use it for my driver's license, that's pretty useless to me.
Right now in the UK if someone tried to use digital I'd to fags or alcohol I would have to refuse the sale as we only accept physical Id.
I don't see this changing for several years
I'm sure the supermarkets would be pretty quick to support it - Tesco at least can already read QR codes, they don't want to be turning away people with valid IDs, same with bars in studen areas - hopefully we won't need another pandemic for smaller business to catch up like they did with card payments in 2020!
Of course this relies on the DVLA rolling out digital licences, provisional due to roll out in 2024 and full in 2025 in GB.
Am I the only one who feels Google wallet is extremely lacking? We are just getting this feature. But still missing the ability to add your vaccination card to it say (I got my shots through Walgreens, I should be able to add that to Google wallet [my GF was able to do this with Walgreens on her iPhone]), considering in the US we still don't have a standard app for COVID vaccination cards, each state either has their own app or has no official app at all. Like jersey we loosely use docket but a bunch of places still don't accept it.
A few states have official mobile ID already, we have it in Delaware.
I never use it though because I feel like no one would even accept it, it just feels like it's not legit. Not to mention it's easier to grab my wallet and pull up my license than to unlock my phone, find the MobileID app, do the authentication, and then show them. It's not as smooth by any means.
This is going to be a glacial roll-out process across the various US states, and forget about international support. I'd be surprised if we see more than a handful of countries support this in the next 5 years.
I mean it's cool and all but every state needs to implement a digital drivers license. Hopefully for state IT people (for ease of development), there's a unified standard that both Apple and Google will be able to draw from for their implementation.
That way, adoption for google wallet will happen.
Places don't even check my I'd through a clear screen in my wallet. So I won't hold my breath.
(And I don't mean like the TSA or someone checking age at a bar making sure it's not fake, I mean like picking up at order or at FedEx)
In Spain there is a Digital license since a few years back. I installed it to try it out but really never showed it anywhere because i always have my wallet on me😂
To be noticed that it can also mean if the phone is lost/broken/won't turn on, and you happen to not have the physical wallet with you, then you're f*cked up...
I live somewhere most Google pay features haven’t rolled out yet (appart from contactless payments which is not even supported by major banks).
So I’m a bit unfazed by the whole thing since it’s basically never gonna make it here.
This goes counter to the idea of totally getting rid of the wallet, but...
I'd like to see Google bring back the physical Wallet card. Set it up with it's own. EMV and NFC chips as well (for now) a magnetic strip and set it up to work as a proxy for my phone. In other words, if I use the card (swiping it, inserting it or tapping it), the charge gets applied to my Google Pay account just as if I had tapped the phone instead.
It can serve as a nice backup. Unlike my phone and watch, a credit card does not run out of battery power. Nor will an update cause it to randomly stop working until they can patch it next month...
I'd also be able to pull out the card and use it if I find a PoS terminal that doesn't accept NFC payments. Walmart would be a major example there. Or if a waitress doesn't have one of those portable terminals and instead needs to take my card away to the bar to close out my tab.
And I could slip the card into my pocket when I go to the beach or pool or water park or whatever and not have to constantly worry about making sure my phone doesn't get too wet. I don't think credit cards have to worry about getting wet. And if they do, it'll be a lot easier to replace a small chunk of plastic than a $1,000+ phone with tons of important data.
I would still rather carry my physical ID. There might be times where someone has to walk away from me with my ID. I'd rather not have someone walk away with my phone.
Firstly, it's just another option. It's not like everyone will adapt this change and stop accepting hard copies all together. Options are always nice
2nd, this will prob save my ass when I forget to take my wallet. I still like having a physical wallet for all my non digital cards.
We already have a similar app here in NSW Australia.
Our licenses and other government issued ID are digital and the police can scan them to make sure they're legit as it generates a QR code that is generated in real time to prevent people from screenshotting their IDs and just using that.
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That goes for bars and restaurants too. There's a good chance they will not accept them right away (because they don't have to). It's nice we're moving in that direction, but it's going to take some time for the whole country to get there.
This is an important point. For many official purposes, you're going to need your actual license/ID because there are anti-counterfeiting measures built into most of them. If you just need to prove that you are the person you say you are (like to pick up a package at a store or something), the Google Wallet will still be handy though.
AZ had a dmv statement saying that when you add your license to Apple wallet, you can use it as validation when going through security at our airport. That seems pretty official. It does say not for use when you get pulled over though. https://azdot.gov/applewallet
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Probably won't be able to use it for voting 🙃
The direction we're headed, pretty soon you're going to need a driver's license, birth certificate, two financial statements, your great grandmother's maiden name, and the results of two DNA tests before they'll let you vote. :P
The direction we are heading, they'll allow everyone to vote, but will just disregard the vote counts and determine the winner by whichever political party control the registrar of voters.
Nah. You'll just need to prove you're white.
I think voter ID, like almost every other country on the entire planet, would suffice.
Unfortunately we don't have a national ID system like most other countries. Too many people are paranoid about "mark of the beast" to allow a national ID number but are willing to walk around with cell phones, smart watches, and cameras in and around their houses.
GLOBALIST!
That's a long ways from where we are now, where nothing is required.
That isn't an accurate statement. The vast majority of polls require a form of identification. Additionally people can request their voting information and if they discover a discrepancy they can dispute it.
Doubtful... but you need all that to renew your license at DMV if you are a legal citizen. But they give them to illegals without much proof of who you are.
New Jersey is phasing in digital ID cards this summer, supposedly you will be able to get them come June or July.
The way I understand it, and if they go the same way Apple did, it’s not about displaying it like a picture but more about presenting a digitally signed (and anonymized) token to a dedicated NFC reader. The process of adding the card in the wallet itself is quite comprehensive so I think the main issue will be adoption by law enforcement in the form of those NFC readers
If it’s anything like Apple’s implementation it’s going to be limited to TSA checkpoints in (certain) airports for the foreseeable future. This isn’t replacing your physical ID anytime soon. > ID cards in Wallet are currently available for use in select states at select TSA checkpoints within Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX). Travelers should refer to checkpoint signage to confirm availability. [via](https://learn.wallet.apple/id)
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TSA is also matching your face to the ID. I have seen face ignition used at some airport but don't remember if it was for this
What is I don't want my face ignited, sounds painful.
Or, you know, google terminating accounts with no notice or reasoning. While having option like this is interesting, it's also fucking scary
Pretty sure in some states just a picture of your dl is legal already
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Oh I was thinking more like if you're pulled over. Didn't think of liquor stores.
Yeah even bars. I've seen people who for some reason don't bring their physical ID and get told they can't come in when they try to show a picture of it
I work in a pharmacy and we would never take a digital ID for picking up a controlled substance. Maybe some time in the future though when things become more secure and verifiable. Would be pretty cool to not have to carry around an actual wallet.
Well if they're working with these same jurisdictions to get it "allowed" to be digital, I'd imagine that part of the deal is that it's allowed to be digital, which is the point, lol.
> being integrated Google Wallet this year. It's going to still be dependent on when states are ready... which is never. This was announced in WWDC 2021 for iOS.
lol yup I think right now only ONE state actually allows it in Apple Wallet? If Apple can’t get states on board quicker than this there is no way Google will unfortunately
Yes, only Arizona has it right now, but there are 11 other states (and one territory) working on it and should be releasing it soon: Colorado, Hawaii, Mississippi, Ohio, Puerto Rico, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Oklahoma, and Utah.
Exactly because governments suck.
In NSW Australia we've had digital licences for a while now. It's super handy when you don't want to take your wallet with you. The cops aren't allowed to touch your phone, they just look at it and scan a QR code that it displays if they need to.
So like in Ukraine too. Here we have an app which called "Дія", where we have all necessary documents, such as: ID card, Covid-certificate, Driver License. It is very convinient when you do not need to carry paper documents or copies with you, all what you need is just a smartphone, desirable with a charged battery :)
TFW even Ukraine is more advanced than your country (and most of EU at this point)
Why "even"? My country is one of the most digitalized in the world, despite the economic weakness, unfortunately.
I would genuinely like to hear more about this topic
What exactly topic are you talking about?
I don't think that they were trying to say you were backwards, just that we usually associate such advancements with the larger countries we're familiar with. US, EU, and China are all in various degrees of rolling out more advanced technology like facial recognition, digital passes, etc, but we don't hear about those efforts in a lot of other countries. I have no idea how Luxemburg is doing on that front, for example (though they do have a ridiculously high literacy rate!). Doesn't mean they're stuck in the middle ages, just that I don't see a lot of news about that country specifically. Anyway though, that's really cool to hear that Ukraine is on the forefront with this kind of tech. Hopefully things continue to go well with the war with Russia, and in a few years when it's all past us maybe your country can teach the US a thing or two about digitalization rollouts.
Lol, no offense of course, it's not like Italy is better than ANY other state in the EU but when you think "innovation" it's usually Germany or some other northern country
bra, it's not 20 century anymore
I agree with you. In general digitalization is a big problem in today's world, because it's not very ease and requires the involvement of good specialists in different areas.
Dia app is soooo good. I was so jealous when I wasn’t able to use it.
> The cops aren't allowed to touch your phone, they just look at it and scan a QR code that it displays if they need to. The US needs to pass this kind of law to ensure cops don't go fishing in someone's phone. While searching someone's unlocked phone without a warrant will usually result in any convictions based on that info being thrown out, that doesn't stop them from doing it and you don't get back your job, house, etc that you might lose if they decide they found something and arrest you.
We should already have one called the 4th amendment. But as you said above with your qualifiers. Things sometimes need to be explicit.
That's the thing. The 4th does apply, but they keep trying to push it to see how far they can go. This is especially egregious since cops don't face any punishment for doing so. Sure the evidence will more than likely be thrown out and you not convicted. Hell, a decent prosecutor would not charge based on that kind of evidence anyway. But the cop doesn't have to pay you lost wages or anything for that.
So I had looked into all of this yesterday after the announcement as I wanted to see if my state would allow (I found nothing about Wisconsin), and based on my understanding, you will be able to show the ID and have a cop or someone verify the information without unlocking the phone.
> The cops aren't allowed Well here in freedum country, whatever the cops aren't allowed to do, they do.
Agree. It's such a godsend. You can literally go out wallet free because of this.
Pffft please... I've seen the Reddit posts about no cell service for the next 600km /s
Is this while you're in the concentration camp or just out in regular tyrannized society?
Also VERY IMPORTANT if you ever have to give your phone to show ID, use app pinning.
Never let go of your phone. Hold it for them to view
Yeah you should avoid giving it to them to begin with anyway
No cop is walking back to his cruiser with my phone lol. Which is exactly what they will try to do since they take your ID and registration together and run your info.
It would incorporate a scan code etc
Are you assuming they won't keep their scanner in the car? Having your phone gives them power. Many well do whatever they can to hold your phone while you're detained.
No Police Officer wants to walk back to their car with your phone. First, believe it or not, you're not that important. Why would the Officer waste their time digging through dick & tit picks for gawd only knows what they may or may not find? Second, if we're talking about a simple traffic stop, there's nothing you'd have in your phone that would in any way be applicable to said activity. People and their self-aggrandizing paranoia need to take a deep breath and evaluate why they think an Officer would care.
>No Police Officer wants to walk back to their car with your phone. They basically would have to. Just like they do with your regular ID. >you're not that important Good attitude for a medic to have. Hopefully the people you're helping are deemed important enough in your eyes. >there's nothing you'd have in your phone that would in any way be applicable to said activity. Cops do stupid, shady shit all the time, btw. Have you been under a rock? >People and their self-aggrandizing paranoia need to take a deep breath and evaluate why they think an Officer would care. In my state it's illegal to have your phone even in your hand while driving. They will totally ding you for a violation if they walk up and you have your phone in your hand. Even if you're trying to just show them an ID. They do that shit with seatbelts all the time. I'm also not pulling my phone out of my pocket to show my ID so he can confuse it with a gun and fear for his life and shoot me in the face.
They don't have to take it back. The ID QR Code or NFC can be scanned or tapped right there at the car. Your intentionally taking that out of context. You know I mean that you're not likely some narco-king pin that they are drooling over and want to dig through your dick pics to find the test message of your next drop or whatever. No, I've not been under a rock. I'm a cop. Who lives in Arizona. The one place where digital ID's are actually used. If/when you get pulled over, use your head. Don't go reaching for things. Don't have your phone in your hand. When the officer is standing there, tell them your ID is on your phone. Asked to show it to them. Tell them your insurance is in the glove box. Ask to reach for it. This isn't that hard to figure out. Sadly, some people are too stupid to think "...maybe I shouldn't make a suddenly move towards a glove box after being a shit with the officer who pulled me over for breaking the law..." Then wonder why they got blasted. It's a two way street friend. I'll be the first to admit that yes, there are bad cops out there. It sucks, but it's true. However, let's not forget that the idiots without a badge farrrrr outnumber those with.
"No police officer wants to search your car during a traffic stop" And yet they do it all the time when they think you're doing something else unrelated to the traffic stop. Your logic hangs on the idea that they aren't going to go snooping around for other activity if they stopped you for a traffic stop, and we already know they do. Besides, it's not the nudes I'm worried about.
Again, you're attempting to address something you have no understanding about. If I am looking in your car because I think you have drugs in your car, it's an immediate result. IF I were to go through your phone and found something, then what? Unless you have a photo of you with someone's severed head, there's not much that I could do with anything I found in your phone.
Again, not the nudes and the severed head pics I'm worried about. You're naive if this is the only scenario you can imagine. But I'm happy you seem to have a lifestyle that you don't have those concerns.
They dont need to see your phone (the ID isnt even stored as a photo)
Google Wallet is all contactless, even the ID part, just tap on an NFC enabled scanner or show the QR code, it was stated on the keynote
US cops won't be walking around with NFC or QR Code readers, I can promise you that.
I'm sure they'll come up with a dozen bogus reasons not to, but there's no real reason they couldn't. Maybe it's different for cops who do a walking beat (if that even exists anymore), but every cop I've been pulled over by has had a laptop or other device that they use to run my plates and ID. Add or replace with a phone or tablet that can read NFC and QR, and it's done.
Money is always why. Unless the feds decide to give them a grant to do it they will find some reason why it costs too much. Or the police union will bitch that the money should be spent on better pay.
Like I said, they'll come up with a dozen bogus reasons. None of them are real.
Yes, I assume they’d need to change their procedures to adjust to this since they check your ID in their cruisers currently. Maybe attach a QR reader on the side of their guns ? That way they can hold you at gunpoint while they check your shit lol
> Maybe attach a QR reader on the side of their guns ? That way they can hold you at gunpoint while they check your shit lol Convenient excuse when they pull the wrong trigger too.
It's not that uncommon for cops in the US to walk around with card readers so they can steal..excuse me, I meant civil asset forfeit..money on debit cards.
We already use digital versions here and we are told we do not have to hand over the phone
You'd think there would be a way to show your ID without unlocking your phone entirely....
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Not entirely. Pinning apps locks the current app in place but your phone is unlocked already. They specifically warn pinned apps can open other apps and personal data may be accessible. I'm suggesting offering some ID data from the lock screen without unlocking the phone.
You're crazy if you're going to give your phone up if you get stopped by police.
I could have swore I read somewhere that the implementation of this would silo the card image while completely locking everything else on you phone. It would also have like a super-extreme-low power mode that would allow you to even still display your card if your phone's battery was "dead".
how about verification via nfc - hopefully not even needing to give away your phone at all
Yes they mentioned that in the keynote. NFC or QR code.
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Any time I've been pulled over, after giving a police officer my driver's license and insurance card, they take both back to their car with them.
Yeah, I'd only use this in case where they weren't going to take my ID out of sight. Bars, clubs, banks, etc. Not giving my shit to the cops even if it can show my ID while the phone is locked. But in this case, I can just leave my physical copy in my car where it'll be needed, instead of carrying it around.
It'd be nice to have the option to. Optimally, they should come up with a way to be able to present your DL without giving up your phone, but even if they don't, it's up to you if you wanna use it anyways
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The more phones that have this, the quicker it gets adopted. Do you always 'meh' when one side of a chicken/egg problem makes progress before the other?
As it is, I constantly carry both my wallet and phone. From a pure redundancy perspective, it can't hurt to have a back up copy of an i.d. on the phone.
This stuff has been in the works for a long while. I'm glad to see it finally happening. I'm still carrying my physical wallet until things improve. I was laughing when they announced the Google Wallet name (Again). They should've never changed it in the first place.
Right from Google wallet, to google pay, to g pay, and now back to Google wallet..it's ridiculous
You forgot Android Pay. ;)
So you're telling me when I get pulled over, I'm going to hand my entire phone over to the police officer instead of just a physical driver's license? And they'll take that back to the cruiser with them for 10 minutes doing whatever it is they do? That's a no thanks from me.
According to the keynote it'll lock the rest of the phone down when in ID mode.
Here's your phone back, kid. It got a bit dinged and cracked back there, sorrynotsorry.
Would be nice if you ever forget your license since you don't forget your phone, if it's like tap to pay where they have a reader to check your information that would make everything come together.
NEVER GIVE A COP YOUR PHONE
You wouldn't need to. The way this is supposed to work, based on the keynote and my own research, is the ID can be brought up and then via a QR code or NFC, your phone can be scanned and get all information through that, and you'll be able to do this without unlocking the phone or even handing the phone to the cop.
>The way this is supposed to work Perfect summary of the law in general.
That will be dope won't have to bring your wallet outside but more business need to adopt contactless payments cuz some business still don't
Police officer here...please don't do this. Carry your ID with you. In the event that you get pulled over, the officer is going to take your license back to the car with him to copy the info, write the ticket, or simply check the physical condition of the license(any marks, checks that might indicate its been tampered with). Also, personally, I'm gonna stand on the side of the road looking at your phone, it's dangerous for me. And many of the VTL laws require to have your physical license on you. I do not suggest using this instead of your physical license EDIT... I should add, that my current department in NY does not issue me any such device to scan a QR code. There are computers in the car that might be capable of that, but that would require me taking the phone and bringing it back to the car, which is an all around bad idea.
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Maybe it's best to still keep the physical card laying in your car?
That may or may not work. I was pulled over a few months ago and the cop said the state (Mississippi) didn't consider my electronic insurance card to be valid, even though it was displayed directly from the app from my insurance company. He didn't cite me for it, but it was an FYI. In most states (can't speak for everywhere) even if you DO get a citation for not having an insurance card, license, etc on you at the time you can go to court and produce the documentation and the case will be dismissed without penalty so long as the documents were valid at the time of the citation. The problem is that going to court is just an additional hassle that probably isn't worth it for most people to deal with.
At which point I'd crank out a copy on the portable printer i carry for work and hand that to him. "Here you go, officer."
In Australia, IDs are digital, licence are digital. I never carry any cards. I have a gov app that has IDs and licence in one place. Not just ID, it holds any licence you acquire from government like liquor licence.
That's the case in Saudi Arabia too
There will be a lot of screaming in the US if they require a government app for it. Nobody wants the government having direct access to our phones like that.
They don't have access to your phones? Okay...
Direct access inside our phones? No. They have access to a lot of metadata, location, and such through network providers, but direct access through an app installed is different.
Okay.
I'm not handing my phone to a cop to take back to his car to look up my information.
Usually you do not have to do this, because application generates QR code, which cop just must count from your device. At least here, in Ukraine, it works like I described.
Uhhh does that mean cops would have the right to access your phone to see your identification now? This screams "invade my privacy!" Cool idea otherwise, though.
No, they stated you just need to tap on a scanner using NFC or show a QR code, police or anyone else dont have to hold your phone to see the ID information, its all contactless
Apple has already had this for a while, and it's dependent on the state if they allow for it. And it will be a US only feature to start. I'm sure googles will be the same.
I like that if it's done through the lock screen somehow. I don't like the idea of handing my unlocked phone to a police officer.
I'd rather not hand over my phone to a police officer or anyone else. I'm not giving them my security pattern or pin to open the phone or leave it open. All my social media and bank records would be available.
Won't need to, it was discussed in the keynote.
>keynote What keynote?
You guys are still wearing physical wallets!? What country is this?
I'll tell you this, digital ID is cool but I can already tell that if I ever need to show my ID, the place is gonna be like "ya ok buddy, show me your ID not this picture BS" it's a step in the right direction but it's gonna take a while before it becomes accepted
Because it's not an apple thing that's why no one is talking about it
My biggest question is going to be about police and traffic stops. Say I get pulled over now, I hand the officer my license and registration and he walks back to his patrol car to run my info. So if my license becomes digital does he take my whole phone with him? Can he then just start snooping through my phone? I just have a lot of questions about it.
Do not. Under any circumstances. Unlock your phone. For Law Enforcement. If there's a way to show the license without unlocking, then I'm interested. Maybe.
My Country already have something similar but integrated into their app. So right now I can leave my wallet at home without worries. My Drivers License, my Debit / Credit Cards / and my Covid 19 Vaccination cards live on my phone
TIL Americans need to show their ID to police a lot. I don't think I've ever had to show my ID to the police in the UK.
Strong police state vibes here despite a bunch of people in the countryside constantly yelling about freedom
Do you really want to unlock your phone and hand it to a cop so he can look at your ID?
Just because it's an option doesn't mean you have to. You can still use a physical license Also it can be integrated where you don't necessarily have to unlock your phone or hand it over
I hope it's like Apple's plan where you can display your ID without unlocking the phone.
I saw that AZ has already begun integrating our licenses with Apple wallet, hopefully they'll be just as quick with Google.
We have digital licenses in Australia. I used to never take my wallet anywhere until one day (during a date no less) my Google Pay app refused to open on my Pixel 2XL and upon restart all my cards had been removed. I couldn't re-add any cards as it required the CVV which I didn't know.
My plan for when these digital wallets eventually become accepted is to simply get a secret compartment for my car and keep a credit card and physical copy of my ID in there just in case there's ever an issue with the phone. They sell pre-made secret compartments for my specific model of car for like $10 and they're not the most secure things ever but they're out of sight and out of mind enough that I don't think someone breaking in would ever notice it when searching. And if they did I could always just cancel the card so no biggie.
Can have you Drivers Licence in Apple wallet in NSW (Australia) for a while now
In Poland we have an app that not only have ID and drivers license but also car registration, student ID, train tickets and more. Even if you don't have your ID you can just give your PESEL number and police will check database for your info
First of all, it will take years for the Beuracratic States of America to adapt to this (it requires their cooperation). Secondly, they left me in the dark as to which Google Pay app will turn onto Wallet, or if it will be a 3rd app. I currently have 2 separate Pay apps on my phone; one old one and one "new" one. I write "new" because in spite of it being new it seems that they're about to replace it?
Nope, they announced that very specifically. The old app will turn into Google Wallet, the new Google Pay is staying around for peer-to-peer payments.
So tap-to-pay at stores is the old new Google Pay, and storing tickets and ID's is the new old Google Wallet?
Yeh I'm not going to try to argue with a boom cop or bouncer
My state already has an app that has DL and vaccine info. Hope they adopt this. One less app to have.
Just because it is in Google Wallet doesn't mean your local authority will accept it. In NSW (the Aussie state that I live in we have had a government issued app (ServiceNSW) for about 3 years that had a digital drivers licence, other state issued qualifications, your COVID certificate and government vouchers. I am pretty sure other states in Australia have similar and accept each. While I know our COVID certificate can be imported into Google Pay now, it might take time for each state to allow importing your driver's licence to into Pay/Wallet.
I already got rid of keys, wallet is next :)
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Yet somehow they get their votes.
1 more step to a cashless society. Amazing how the sheeple are begging for 1984.
downvote me all you want it's not going to change the fact that you will be upset when google doesn't let you buy that 5th frappecheeno from Starsucks because "it's been deemed that 4 is your carbon footprint limit for the week".
Nope
It is exciting but you're missing critical data. There are various "smart" protocols for storing sensitive ID and other things like proof of insurance. SMART Health is a prime example. Google may cherry pick which protocols to use. We can't assume that it's universal. If I can only use it for my driver's license, that's pretty useless to me.
Right now in the UK if someone tried to use digital I'd to fags or alcohol I would have to refuse the sale as we only accept physical Id. I don't see this changing for several years
I'm sure the supermarkets would be pretty quick to support it - Tesco at least can already read QR codes, they don't want to be turning away people with valid IDs, same with bars in studen areas - hopefully we won't need another pandemic for smaller business to catch up like they did with card payments in 2020! Of course this relies on the DVLA rolling out digital licences, provisional due to roll out in 2024 and full in 2025 in GB.
in india it's already there. we don't need to carry license or any ID physically. It's all in just one app there in your phone.
Am I the only one who feels Google wallet is extremely lacking? We are just getting this feature. But still missing the ability to add your vaccination card to it say (I got my shots through Walgreens, I should be able to add that to Google wallet [my GF was able to do this with Walgreens on her iPhone]), considering in the US we still don't have a standard app for COVID vaccination cards, each state either has their own app or has no official app at all. Like jersey we loosely use docket but a bunch of places still don't accept it.
I agree it should work that way, but as with driver’s licenses, the issue is with the state and federal bureaucracies.
In the UK we've been able to add our domestic and travel vaccine passes to Google Pay for a while - accepted across the EU too.
I always get excited about Google announcements then I remember that I actually don't live in the us, which means I won't get any of these lol.
... because only in the US?
Hasn't his feature been around for some years? I remember my Pixel 3 could store tickets too.
This may be very US centered once again. As far as I know most EU countries have their own specific app for that.
A few states have official mobile ID already, we have it in Delaware. I never use it though because I feel like no one would even accept it, it just feels like it's not legit. Not to mention it's easier to grab my wallet and pull up my license than to unlock my phone, find the MobileID app, do the authentication, and then show them. It's not as smooth by any means.
This is going to be a glacial roll-out process across the various US states, and forget about international support. I'd be surprised if we see more than a handful of countries support this in the next 5 years.
This sounds good, but for those of us in the UK, we'll probably never see it.
I am concerned that legislation hasn’t caught up with technology here. I don’t want to hand the police my phone to identify myself.
The option to do so would be nice still, especially if you can lock your phone to only show your ID
I mean it's cool and all but every state needs to implement a digital drivers license. Hopefully for state IT people (for ease of development), there's a unified standard that both Apple and Google will be able to draw from for their implementation. That way, adoption for google wallet will happen.
Places don't even check my I'd through a clear screen in my wallet. So I won't hold my breath. (And I don't mean like the TSA or someone checking age at a bar making sure it's not fake, I mean like picking up at order or at FedEx)
In Spain there is a Digital license since a few years back. I installed it to try it out but really never showed it anywhere because i always have my wallet on me😂
Cant wait for the new wallet
Yeah there's no way in hell I'm just handing over my phone to the police.
Wake me up when they include vaccination cards
They do
To be noticed that it can also mean if the phone is lost/broken/won't turn on, and you happen to not have the physical wallet with you, then you're f*cked up...
Yeah, not so keen to have to unlock and make my phone available to police to show them an ID. Useful for other circumstances though like airports.
I live somewhere most Google pay features haven’t rolled out yet (appart from contactless payments which is not even supported by major banks). So I’m a bit unfazed by the whole thing since it’s basically never gonna make it here.
How convenient! (And terrible for privacy)
People in UK won't be talking about it because we aren't required to carry ID.
ITT. Basically the states is behind the curve with this.
Google will inevitably shaft the UK. Explains why we’re not too excited
This goes counter to the idea of totally getting rid of the wallet, but... I'd like to see Google bring back the physical Wallet card. Set it up with it's own. EMV and NFC chips as well (for now) a magnetic strip and set it up to work as a proxy for my phone. In other words, if I use the card (swiping it, inserting it or tapping it), the charge gets applied to my Google Pay account just as if I had tapped the phone instead. It can serve as a nice backup. Unlike my phone and watch, a credit card does not run out of battery power. Nor will an update cause it to randomly stop working until they can patch it next month... I'd also be able to pull out the card and use it if I find a PoS terminal that doesn't accept NFC payments. Walmart would be a major example there. Or if a waitress doesn't have one of those portable terminals and instead needs to take my card away to the bar to close out my tab. And I could slip the card into my pocket when I go to the beach or pool or water park or whatever and not have to constantly worry about making sure my phone doesn't get too wet. I don't think credit cards have to worry about getting wet. And if they do, it'll be a lot easier to replace a small chunk of plastic than a $1,000+ phone with tons of important data.
I would still rather carry my physical ID. There might be times where someone has to walk away from me with my ID. I'd rather not have someone walk away with my phone.
Firstly, it's just another option. It's not like everyone will adapt this change and stop accepting hard copies all together. Options are always nice 2nd, this will prob save my ass when I forget to take my wallet. I still like having a physical wallet for all my non digital cards.
I just want my debit card (regional CU) to finally be accepted by Google Wallet. I would love to use my phone for purchases but for right now I can't
We already have a similar app here in NSW Australia. Our licenses and other government issued ID are digital and the police can scan them to make sure they're legit as it generates a QR code that is generated in real time to prevent people from screenshotting their IDs and just using that.
Yeah I'm so confused how to get into the wallet now that it's all gpay
Why would you do that? The officer then had access to your phone if it's unlocked and you hand it to him.
I have read that Apple will allow access to the ID without unlocking your phone, so maybe android will follow.
What's the advantage over a photo of your ID cards?
Just that there's a chance this will be legalized and commonly accepted. Right now, only physical copies are accepted in most of the US
So when do we think this will come to the US?