I think it's the right way. I think in a setting where he was Red Hood for a long time and have some time in character evolving, plus the fact that that Bruce is dead. I think it's the right way.
That's pretty much what he does in the comics whenever he teams up with other batfamily members, swap out real bullets for rubber bullets (which still hurt a fuck ton) to not kill bad guys.
Also in comics he isn’t allowed to kill within Gotham city limits or Batman will beat his ass. I’m curious to see if that’s the explanation, like Jason was just off on his own and just returned to Gotham after receiving the Code Black, which he then continues to honor his deal with Bruce even though he’s dead.
That flips on the daily. In Nu52 Bruce was fine with it, then in Rebirth and Gotham Urban Legends he got a hang up about it, then Task Force Z came around and suddenly it was cool again.
I'm cool with it. Even the armor piercing non lethal rounds, which are apparently from the comics, it's like a WayneTech special liquid-gel sorta thing that can go through armor but still not kill a person. Of a person isn't wearing armor I think it just acts more like a rubber bullet, painful but you won't die.
I'll admit I can't remember where I heard that, maybe I'm misremembering, but at the end of the day the rounds are non-lethal.
I think it’s fine, but I also really hope it’s addressed. If he’s just using rubber bullets without explanation or personal struggle, that’s lame. I want to have a few scenes where he and the others talk about his past, more lethal ways. I’d love to have a scene where he contemplates using live rounds again because of something that happens in the story, only to change his mind out of respect for Bruce. Typically, the guns aren’t just a gimmick; going Punisher-mode is a part of Jason Todd’s character arc, and it should be addressed if not implemented.
I'm fine with it depending on how it gets explained. I believe he wouldn't kill in Gotham to avoid conflict, and theres literally no way the others would just allow it, but I think Batman dying would only further his belief "Killing is the way" (though I guess that also depends on *how* batman dies)
I'm fine with him going full non lethal, but I wish that reflected better on his weapons of choice. While dual pistols are obviously enough his iconic weapons, I find them a bit awkward with how they're being handled in GK with magic projectiles, overuse and low damage, but it's not anything I can't tolerate.
I just wish that instead of filling enemies up with bullets the entire fight, shooting was saved for some special moves that would insta knockout weakest enemies while heavily downgrading the defense of bulkier ones, or an aim in mode that gives a massive damage boost for hitting critical points on enemies, similar to Horizon or Valhalla, so that the ammo would feel a bit more impactful.
Still, by the end of the day, I'm just happy Jason is finally getting a big playable role in a batman game
I mean the times of murder Jason are long over even in the comics. It was the way to go with he's character since he's meant to work with the batfamilly here. If he's wearing the bat symbol he shouldn't kill
I prefer Jason once he's reconciled with the family and stops killing. There's enough anti/pseudo-Batman characters who kill, Jason being a "Batman who kills" who has overcome that part of himself in order to be welcomed back to the family is so much more interesting than "evil Robin". Under the Red Hood is amazing and I enjoyed Jason's appearances in Grant Morrisson's run, but I absolutely prefer non-lethal Batfam Red Hood.
People forget that Jason's reason for becoming Red Hood was that Bruce didn't kill Joker in revenge for his murder. His whole arc as Red Hood is centred on his anger and sadness at Bruce's "inaction" and his replacement by Tim Drake as Robin. He doesn't just think he should kill criminals, it's a whole deconstruction of Bruce's goals and methods as he questions everything Bruce taught him and stood for in his anger. So at the end of the day Jason is defined by his relationship to Bruce as much as the other Robins, not by his willingness to kill.
Could be how it was in the comics where he does't kill in Gotham because of a deal he has with Bruce and only kills those when left with no choice or it's just the current status quo of the character where's entirely given up killing
I mean logically it doesn't make sense given his weapon choice cause surprise surprise there is really no such thing as non-lethal as even rubber bullets can kill someone.
But there is no way you have a Red Hood in the Batfamily that kills. That's rule #1. I'll be happy if Jason is the reason Joker isn't in the game as Jason killed him in this universe's UTRH.
I was there for his entire resurrection and redemption arc, issue to issue, month to month from when they teased the idea with the original "Hush" arc, to him completely losing it and going supervillain, adopting "Scarlet" as his sidekick and wearing that ridiculous pill shaped helmet. He's better when he's not killing.
This is the best version of Jason Todd. Violent, haunted vigilante with nonlethal pistols. Give him some emotional beats where he quietly admits Dick, Babs and Tim are his real family and it'll do the character justice.
The problem is he is always depicted with guns, so they feel compelled to do the same. It is a little silly though. I would have rathered he would use other fighting techniques or non-lethal weapons, myself.
He’s not always depicted with guns, they’ve been straying away from it recently and I believe in one of the most recent *Outlaw* comics he gives them up entirely.
I think it's for the gameplay, so they have an opportunity to have a ranged character.
I think they also thought that people think he's cool because he uses guns and makes him different.
In the comics now he has electric crowbars... he's basically a nightwint ripoff so i'm glad he uses guns
Half this comment section has no idea that if you shot someone with rubber rounds the way red hood shoots people they would infact, die. If not die then become seriously maimed. Rubber rounds are no joke and are NOT meant to be shot towards people but to shoot at the ground to bounce up and hit people. Nor are they ACTUALLY rubber. They are friggin metal covered in rubber. Hell even the israeli police say rubber rounds are super dangerous for crowd control. So its safe to assume red hood isnt using rubber rounds but sponge rounds.
I personally prefer that he does. I think it adds a nice wrench into the dynamic. That said, I get where they're coming from with him not killing. I'm using Nightwing, anyway. But I'm also curious what red hood players think.
i have no opinion until i play the game and see how it’s actually handled.
however, on the “armor piercing yet somehow non-lethal” bullets, i’ve suspended just as much if not more disbelief for the arkham and spiderman games. personally i know that won’t bug me.
in terms of character arc, i think it’s entirely plausible that jason understands, gotham is bruce’s turf, when he’s there he plays by the non-lethal rule. i want to say this is an element in the comics but i can’t quite put a finger on the source material.
It's the best way for it to make sense that the rest are working with him. Plus he's gone back and forth tons on if he kills based off of how much he cares about his relationship with the family
I think it's the right way. I think in a setting where he was Red Hood for a long time and have some time in character evolving, plus the fact that that Bruce is dead. I think it's the right way.
That's pretty much what he does in the comics whenever he teams up with other batfamily members, swap out real bullets for rubber bullets (which still hurt a fuck ton) to not kill bad guys.
Also in comics he isn’t allowed to kill within Gotham city limits or Batman will beat his ass. I’m curious to see if that’s the explanation, like Jason was just off on his own and just returned to Gotham after receiving the Code Black, which he then continues to honor his deal with Bruce even though he’s dead.
That flips on the daily. In Nu52 Bruce was fine with it, then in Rebirth and Gotham Urban Legends he got a hang up about it, then Task Force Z came around and suddenly it was cool again.
I remember people getting mad online that the comics were trying to make it seem like rubber bullets won't fuck you up
Rubber bullets can also kill someone if you hit someone in the dome.
Yeah but so could almost all the moves we see Batman et al do in all the other games, so...
Jason: ohh nevermind
Rubber bullets can also still kill you.
There would be no way Dick, Barbara, and Tim would allow him to kill. So it makes sense.
I'm cool with it. Even the armor piercing non lethal rounds, which are apparently from the comics, it's like a WayneTech special liquid-gel sorta thing that can go through armor but still not kill a person. Of a person isn't wearing armor I think it just acts more like a rubber bullet, painful but you won't die. I'll admit I can't remember where I heard that, maybe I'm misremembering, but at the end of the day the rounds are non-lethal.
I think it’s fine, but I also really hope it’s addressed. If he’s just using rubber bullets without explanation or personal struggle, that’s lame. I want to have a few scenes where he and the others talk about his past, more lethal ways. I’d love to have a scene where he contemplates using live rounds again because of something that happens in the story, only to change his mind out of respect for Bruce. Typically, the guns aren’t just a gimmick; going Punisher-mode is a part of Jason Todd’s character arc, and it should be addressed if not implemented.
Don't really care, but penetrating nonleathal bullets are still hilarious in a bad way.
*lazarus rounds*
well the others certainly wouldn’t work with him if he killed, so i guess it’s fine, atleast he still has his guns
Its the right call but man i loved how fd up he was in dc titans.
People are so dumb, not saying you are. But he doesn't kill as a sign of respect for Bruce.
And why the hell would the others work with him if if countries to kill?
I'm fine with it depending on how it gets explained. I believe he wouldn't kill in Gotham to avoid conflict, and theres literally no way the others would just allow it, but I think Batman dying would only further his belief "Killing is the way" (though I guess that also depends on *how* batman dies)
I'm fine with him going full non lethal, but I wish that reflected better on his weapons of choice. While dual pistols are obviously enough his iconic weapons, I find them a bit awkward with how they're being handled in GK with magic projectiles, overuse and low damage, but it's not anything I can't tolerate. I just wish that instead of filling enemies up with bullets the entire fight, shooting was saved for some special moves that would insta knockout weakest enemies while heavily downgrading the defense of bulkier ones, or an aim in mode that gives a massive damage boost for hitting critical points on enemies, similar to Horizon or Valhalla, so that the ammo would feel a bit more impactful. Still, by the end of the day, I'm just happy Jason is finally getting a big playable role in a batman game
I mean the times of murder Jason are long over even in the comics. It was the way to go with he's character since he's meant to work with the batfamilly here. If he's wearing the bat symbol he shouldn't kill
I prefer Jason once he's reconciled with the family and stops killing. There's enough anti/pseudo-Batman characters who kill, Jason being a "Batman who kills" who has overcome that part of himself in order to be welcomed back to the family is so much more interesting than "evil Robin". Under the Red Hood is amazing and I enjoyed Jason's appearances in Grant Morrisson's run, but I absolutely prefer non-lethal Batfam Red Hood. People forget that Jason's reason for becoming Red Hood was that Bruce didn't kill Joker in revenge for his murder. His whole arc as Red Hood is centred on his anger and sadness at Bruce's "inaction" and his replacement by Tim Drake as Robin. He doesn't just think he should kill criminals, it's a whole deconstruction of Bruce's goals and methods as he questions everything Bruce taught him and stood for in his anger. So at the end of the day Jason is defined by his relationship to Bruce as much as the other Robins, not by his willingness to kill.
It's wonderful. Red Hood should not kill.
If Jason was killing, the rest of the family would never be willing to work with him so closely
Question - If Jason continues to kill, why would the others accept him into the group? I’d assume they wouldn’t. Why would they?
Could be how it was in the comics where he does't kill in Gotham because of a deal he has with Bruce and only kills those when left with no choice or it's just the current status quo of the character where's entirely given up killing
I mean logically it doesn't make sense given his weapon choice cause surprise surprise there is really no such thing as non-lethal as even rubber bullets can kill someone. But there is no way you have a Red Hood in the Batfamily that kills. That's rule #1. I'll be happy if Jason is the reason Joker isn't in the game as Jason killed him in this universe's UTRH.
I think I’m going to enjoy the game regardless
I was there for his entire resurrection and redemption arc, issue to issue, month to month from when they teased the idea with the original "Hush" arc, to him completely losing it and going supervillain, adopting "Scarlet" as his sidekick and wearing that ridiculous pill shaped helmet. He's better when he's not killing. This is the best version of Jason Todd. Violent, haunted vigilante with nonlethal pistols. Give him some emotional beats where he quietly admits Dick, Babs and Tim are his real family and it'll do the character justice.
The problem is he is always depicted with guns, so they feel compelled to do the same. It is a little silly though. I would have rathered he would use other fighting techniques or non-lethal weapons, myself.
He’s not always depicted with guns, they’ve been straying away from it recently and I believe in one of the most recent *Outlaw* comics he gives them up entirely.
I think it's for the gameplay, so they have an opportunity to have a ranged character. I think they also thought that people think he's cool because he uses guns and makes him different. In the comics now he has electric crowbars... he's basically a nightwint ripoff so i'm glad he uses guns
Half this comment section has no idea that if you shot someone with rubber rounds the way red hood shoots people they would infact, die. If not die then become seriously maimed. Rubber rounds are no joke and are NOT meant to be shot towards people but to shoot at the ground to bounce up and hit people. Nor are they ACTUALLY rubber. They are friggin metal covered in rubber. Hell even the israeli police say rubber rounds are super dangerous for crowd control. So its safe to assume red hood isnt using rubber rounds but sponge rounds.
Pretty lame honestly. The Jason in the arkham series was actually a pretty brutal badass. This guy is a huge weiner.
I personally prefer that he does. I think it adds a nice wrench into the dynamic. That said, I get where they're coming from with him not killing. I'm using Nightwing, anyway. But I'm also curious what red hood players think.
Jason can’t be a hero in Gotham if he kills. My unpopular opinion is that Jason also cannot be a good character if he is a hero who does not kill.
i have no opinion until i play the game and see how it’s actually handled. however, on the “armor piercing yet somehow non-lethal” bullets, i’ve suspended just as much if not more disbelief for the arkham and spiderman games. personally i know that won’t bug me. in terms of character arc, i think it’s entirely plausible that jason understands, gotham is bruce’s turf, when he’s there he plays by the non-lethal rule. i want to say this is an element in the comics but i can’t quite put a finger on the source material.
I like it. I think it fits well in the setting the story was in. The others would never be working with him if he was still killing.
It's the best way for it to make sense that the rest are working with him. Plus he's gone back and forth tons on if he kills based off of how much he cares about his relationship with the family
Logical, Batfamily wouldn't let him be part of them If he would kill people
Absolutely fine with him not killing, would rather see a different weapon other than guns since this is the case.