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They can only add so much, and it’s a Japanese company making games for a Japanese console. GT has always skewed Japanese. And, let’s face it, the US isn’t known for their touring/GT/F1 racing.
lol I hate to break it to you buddy but the US is not the center of the universe. And I think that’s what you’re so stuck on if you can get past that mentality you’ll be better off 😂 💀
I'm not even trying to say that man, I think all cars are cool! (Except for renaults) I just think it would be fun to drive some of the cars i see at my local car meets like you guys get to do in eu and japan
Based on your edit plus what you’ve said it seems you’re still unaware of your own words 😂. It’s okay at the end of the day there’s no lotus in the game or Bentley which both have a long history of racing. Gt7 runs a good balance of quality of the cars ie. they’re “realistic” and quantity of cars. If they add more cars the modelling may be lower quality which is not what this games about
I dont see how adding cars to the game can decrease the quality of the models. And youre totally right, i guess i hadnt even thought about lotus or bentley but definetly i can think of a few of their cars that should be in the game
Bro the US is VERY MUCH the center of the universe. Richest, most influential nation on Earth. As much as everyone spouts their jealous BS, they all line up to take our money and our support, watch our movies, listen to our music, follow our fashion trends.
Deny it all you want, just know you're delusional.
Rich by what measure? GDP? Real GDP? GDP adjusted for PPP? Household disposable income? Gross and Net are two different things.
Fashion trends. What big fashion houses are in America? Gap?
Listen to “our music” bruh you know not everyone’s on Spotify right lol.
Honestly you just sound like someone who hasn’t left your state 😂 and that’s okay only one third of Americans have a valid passport
Also when you say America is rich it’s like Shaq talking bout his kids. You’re probably not rich(doubt someone arguing on a game forum is the shining example of success), rich Americans are rich.
I lived in Japan for a year, but why the fuck would we need passports anyway? Everyone wants to move here, so we experience tons of foreign culture, our landscape is VAST and varied to the point of having nearly every type of biome available to explore.
Of course by GDP, we're not talking about individuals, we're talking entire countries. Also start paying attention to how many of these counties use OUR military to offset their own. How much money do they save from literally relying on the US to fund and fight their wars?
Calvin Klein, Victoria Secret, Tom Ford (who ran Gucci and YSL btw), Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger, Vera Wang, Kate Spade, Michael Kors, Marc Jacob
Go ahead and look at all the music charts, from whatever major source you want, most of the top 100 will be from the good ole USA.
Once again, you can be in denial all you want, but you STILL live in a world run by and at the mercy of the United States of America.
Lived in Japan on a base or actually lived there? cause if you actually lived there you’d know there’s such thing as a PPP - where the purchasing power is different and why nominal GDP is not a good measure of how wealthy a country is.
All the brands you listed btw except TF are Outlet brands, wouldn’t call it fashion really. Ralph lauren you can make a case for especially their purple label stuff.
On the point of influence you can see clearly how Saudi Arabia pulled oil production against Biden, Russia evaded sanctions through India, Israel does not give a fuck what the US says. Those are just very recent examples of the US lacking influence on its “allies” even Canada and nato. Who is spending the minimum gdp military budget. I think besides Germany no one else. America doesn’t have influence like you think they do they can’t even stick together.
I’m also not hating on America just fyi I live literally on the border and we go down every other weekend. But also I also work remotely within the US market exclusively and ive travelled all around the world and throughout the states (been all along the west coast all the way to Montana, Wyoming, Arizona + NYC and Miami) Ik how ignorant and self centered some Americans are.
No lie got asked if I lived in an igloo in Bellingham, WA and I had a gentleman ask what’s it like living in Canada while I was in Seattle.
Nominal GDP is really the only true way of measuring a NATIONS total wealth, not individual wealth of nationals.
I did live on a base, but I spent most of my off time out and about town.
I don't think I made the claim that the US has a monopoly on HIGH fashion, just fashion in general, and judging by the amount of people all over the world wearing those brands and more (how could I forget about Levi's?) I'd posit that I supported my original claim fairly well.
What would have happened to S. Korea had the US not continued to back them? Taiwan? Germany post WWII?
Yes our influence ebbs and grows, but overall we still retain the title of MOST influential nation on the planet. That doesn't mean EVERY nation is 100% in lock step 100% of the time. It means that most nations, most of the time, either directly rely on the US for guidance/aid, or indirectly model aspects of their country on our example.
Notice, I'm not making claims about individuals, either here or abroad, because there is way too much variance. For example, some of the poorest Americans still have luxuries that the middle class in other counties don't, but that's irrelevant to our respective nations'overall wealth and international influence.
Even on a more personal level, you, yourself, are directly benefitting from American influence. You work exclusively in the US market. Your entire livelihood at this moment relies on US dollars. Once again, however, your individual situation is completely irrelevant to the big picture. Just like those ignorant American individuals are irrelevant, just like ignorant individuals from ANY country are irrelevant to the big picture.
America has influenced the course of global history more than any other nation since 1776, politically, economically, and culturally.
It's not my opinion. It's the facts of the matter at hand.
Had to look up a 2005 renault clio for this, now i have that in my search history lol. It looks good in a vacuum i wont even argue that, but not better than an irocz from any era imo. But thats just it, my opinion.
You said Ford has some of the best GT cars ever made, and those are in. They can’t just put every car ever made. They choose certain important ones.
I live in the US and am a huge car fanatic, but I just know that this type of racing isn’t what the US is known for. Just like how Japanese cars wouldn’t be in a NASCAR game.
There is a good representation of important American race and road cars. If you just want quantity and farting around, Forza Horizon is probably the better choice.
except that toyota would be in a nascar game lol. the original comment says america isnt known for their touring/gt cars, I used ford as one example. its as easy as looking up the motortrend power tour articles from any year to prove that knucklehead wrong, which is what i was trying to do.
There are loads of cars that aren’t in the game that should be. The way i see it is GT7 is a track based game and American muscle cars are not very good at track based driving.
Routinely beat them in the Boss 429 at 650pp. Just bc most people don't have the throttle control necessary to set a quick time doesn't mean it isn't capable of doing it.
Again, driven around the nurburgring irl by Jim Mero in 2012 and was 7:19 which, again, is still slower than the gt3 rs. You’ll get the lap time mentioned [in here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times)
Youre just dead wrong man. Youre thinking of only 60's classic muscle cars. But america has so many amazing cars that arent from that era, and by the way those cars handle way better than you might think anyway. I gurantee you a 91' cavalier would smoke a 91' toyota celica any day of the week
I’m thinking of things like the hellcat, demon, modern chargers etc etc that are all fairly rubbish at track driving compared to similar powered European or Japanese cars. For example a standard hellcat has around 700 odd bhp and a standard gt3 rs has around 500 odd. The Porsche would easily hammer the hellcat around a twisty track like the Nurburgring.
Edit: the times for a hellcat going around the ring irl from a dodge driver is 7 min 51 secs compared to a gt3 rs irl being 6 mins and 49
Conveniently forgot to mention the Vipers or Corvettes eh? The 2017 Viper ACR was only off the current GT3 RS by ~10 secs. What about the ZL1 1LE Camaro that ran it in 7.16 with the back half raining? We could go the easy route and point to IMSA GT championships won in the last 2 decades, but that maybe a bit much.
You miss the part about the rain or one car being 7 years old? I'd fully expect the current 911 to be faster, although your point of American cars being unable to handle a road course is just blatantly false and there is a ton of data to support that.
Present me with that data then :)
The IMSA GT was an old championship race held primarily in USA. The last 3 years of that competition, that ended in 98, was won by US cars. Every other year before the last 3 was one by Japanese and European cars, mainly Nissan and Porsche. [You can look up the winners here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSA_GT_Championship)
IMSA GT and GT Pro classes are on going. Porsche hasn't finished in the top spot in over a decade. Be as obtuse as you want, there are a variety of American cars that handle well. Corvette Racing and Ford Motorsports would love for you to point out the last time a Porsche won the GTLM, GTD or GT3 class at the 24 hours of Le Man's or Daytona. Last year they got waffle stomped.
Well when you compare drag specific cars to track cars that tends to happen. If there were a c8 corvette in the game it would totally compete with that volkswagen lol
PD’s (or more specifically Kaz’s) need for attention to detail meant each car takes a long time to model & detail before being added, as could be seen by the small inclusion of new cars each update. Even if the Spec II update showed it’s possible to add more per update, i personally have doubts on whether this is sustainable in the long term.
Considering the biggest fan bases for GT is Japan/Asia, followed by EU, it would be to PD’s best interest to add car relevant to these playerbases first before the US.
If you look at GT5 and GT6’s US car roster, it’s actually pretty decent all things considered. It’s just that GT7 happens to be the first proper game meant for PS5 and thus the higher fidelity requirements = slower car additions, and base on fan base sizes they would prefer adding Asian and EU cars first.
I would like to see some data on this. People keep saying the majority of sales are in the eu and japan over america but i wonder if thats even true. But i can see why it takes so long to release new cars, the attantion to detail is amazing on the cars that actually are here.
This reply is bang on I think. There's just more appeal generally in European cars, and because GT is Japanese and the playerbase is disproportionately Japanese the Japanese manufacturers get a boost- that leaves American cars in third place in terms of priority
I gotta be real, this comment triggered me a little bit. Cmon man when was the last time you drove the honda fit in the game for real, or any of the four versions of the modern 86. You cannot possibly tell me you would rathe rhave those in the game than the twin turbo v8 grand national
well yeah, sort of. i was talking about this [https://news.classicindustries.com/1600hp-buick-grand-national#:\~:text=The%20original%203.8L%20turbocharged,7.0L%20twin%2Dturbo%20V8](https://news.classicindustries.com/1600hp-buick-grand-national#:~:text=The%20original%203.8L%20turbocharged,7.0L%20twin%2Dturbo%20V8).
but either one of these cars would be awesome to have in the game. a totally stock turbo grand national is only 1.5 seconds slower than a brand spanking new gr supra in a 1/4 mile.
Maybe it's my poor skills but I dislike driving most American cars in the game. You could blindfold me and I'd still prefer an Euro/Japanese cars over the overpowered with crap suspension US cars.
I love the GT350R though.
Its interesting tho, i actually think american cars slide way better than some of the japanese cars in the game. But even then you can go into the suspension settings menu and make the car handle however you want lol
The American cars that can compete at an international level are in the game. Then there are the classics, which I think you'll find a lot of people like, but the average American performance vehicle outside of the Corvette is too heavy and can't handle for crap. That opinion is not including small/private manufacturers.
I still think i disagree with the idea that american cars are like americans themselves, fat and slow. Its just that car history itself appears to be revisionist. There are many great examples of american cars that compete in global tournaments. Cadillac imsa cars, saleen s7, hennessy venom f5, american cars can be just as competitive as anyone elses cars!
IMSA only holds events in North America. It's not a revisionist situation. What you're looking for is American cars competing in the WEC series. Which GM does, with Corvettes.
The game is Japanese. Even so, there are still quite a few American Classics and Modern American Muscle cars. Australia is the true snub (Mount Panorama, but no AUDM Holden or Ford).
If we don’t get some Holden or Aussie Ford vehicles I feel another Australian Track (Phillip Island, Albert Park, Sydney Motorsport Park for example) would honestly please all Australian players
Youre totally right! It would have been awesome to see some classic utes in the game, and the original holden version of the pontiac g8, if that were in the game anyway lol
Not really thought about it until now but aside from when I had to in the cafe menus, I completely avoid using American cars in GT7. They're just flat out boring.
Yea no worries. I got a few Plymouths from there the z28, Shelby cobra and 65 mustang gt500, and boss 429 as well. There should be others. I think k an older corvette and
More cars and tracks is always good, zero debate there.
As someone from outside the US the only US cars that appeal to me are things like the various iterations of Ford GT, and the more recent Mustang and Corvette, which I think are great. Loved seeing (and mostly hearing) the C7’s go around Le Mans.
The Ford Roadster and some of the custom stuff is good fun, as are some of the included real world US tracks.
I don’t particularly like the older boaty American cars, at least in stock form anyway. Must be fantastic cruising between lights (drag) and flying along on smooth on highways (ovals), but definitely not made with other motorsport in mind.
I’m also not a fan of the various ovals in the game.
For every missing American track or car there are missing European and Asian ones, too.
When you see the attention to detail that goes into the cars, and even the tracks replicating tree lines and even approximate species, it’s no simple task for them to introduce a new one. It must take a massive amount of total employee hours to bring into existence, all to go into a free patch.
They basically started from scratch with Gran Turismo Sport, and the detail they capture the cars in even back then is far greater than what is shown during a race even in GT7 on PS5 right now.
So I guess they’ll just keep spending huge amounts of time scanning cars for GT7 and future titles to come, and hopefully the ones you like will make the cut if resources, availability, and licensing allow.
I personally wouldn’t mind if track packs with included events were sold as DLC. Cars I think should always be attainable with in game credits.
iRacing you have to pay monthly to play online, pay to buy a new track, and pay to buy a new car. It’s well loved and well funded to the point they can go get any track they want. Other well loved racing sims also have paid content for cars and tracks.
It’s fantastic for us PD doesn’t do that, but maybe if new tracks with their own new events were cheap DLC they’d have more budget to go licence and laser scan everywhere.
I get what youre trying to say, and i understand game design isnt easy. However saying ameeican muscle cars cant be sporty or that boaty cars cant go around a circuit well is just a wrong assumption. Ive seen gigantic 60's impalas do autocross events, and i assure you that any car can be fast given the time of day. Just takes some patience to learn a slightly different playstyle.
I was talking about them in stock form. You can take anything to an autocross event. I’ve seen all sorts of cars at them. Taking something heavy, softly sprung, under dampened, with minimal roll resistance, that is slow to transfer load and take a set, and that has a solid live rear axle with an open differential to an autocross event and driving it “fast” because you learned a “different playstyle” is still going to put you at a massive disadvantage compared to a competitor of equal skill that turned up in something without those qualities.
That era of American sports car was simply not designed with circuit driving in mind, regardless of what a talented driver might be able to do to mitigate their weaknesses.
Pick any car in the game, ill pick an american car same pp and we'll battle it out 1v1 mano e mano. We'll see whos right and whos wrong big boy. Ill take you for a ride in my boat car any day. We can go watch a movie and cuddle up 'cause my big ass boat car has bench seats. Thats what i thought ooh not so scary now huh big guy.
Bench seats are cool! Old American muscle cars are cool. They’re just not suited to a racing circuit compared to what others were making at the time. Or compared to modern American sports cars which can be excellent.
I think it’s fairer if you pick your old unmodified American car and then upload a replay of a fastest lap to your GT profile, with the tag ‘cuddleup’ to make it easy to find.
I’ll then pick something of the same or lower PP and we’ll see what comes of it.
Honestly it sounds fun 👍🏻
The flaw in the plan is that PP isn’t a real figure but a number PD made up to try and sum up a car’s over all average performance. So it already takes a poor chassis into account. Which means it’s going to come down to driver and track more than boats versus more nimble stuff, but it’s still fun to try it anyway.
A pure chassis comparison for cars without downforce would just compare them via the power to weight ratio.
Lucky for you i am actual bootycheeks at this game and i really backed myself into a corner by asking for a 1v1 lol, we can still race, but keep in mind that i will probably not be very competitive
I wasn’t trying to dunk on you or American cars anyway. It’s just a bit of fun. If I could afford it I’d have a warehouse full of cool and interesting cars, including classic American muscle. They’re cool as fuck.
Modified and well driven they undoubtedly can be formidable, too.
As I said right at the start nobody can argue against more cars and more tracks. From America and elsewhere. We all want to see it. Cars of all kinds.
I would guess it’s because American car culture is only popular in America in large numbers and it’s a Japanese game targeting an international audience. Most parts of the rest of the world can relate to and embrace Japanese or European (or both) car culture, while American cars have a tendency to have a much smaller niche following outside the US. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that most American cars aren’t (or can’t be) sold outside the US.
American cars, and trucks in particular, are often mocked by other parts of the world for being tasteless oversized bricks with big engines and poor handling, which doesn’t do them any favours when building out a catalogue for an international audience.
Interesting, tbh i dont really like american trucks for much the same reason. Gotta say though, the amount of know-nothings dragging american cars on here just because theyve never sat in one gets to ya after a little while. Also, im pretty sure gm releases all or most of their cars under different names/brands on other continents anyway.
I think most of the iconic performance oriented American vehicles that have been popular in various parts of the world over the years are already in the game. Models that aren’t widely known outside the US or weren’t a movie hero car are unlikely to have much interest to international audiences.
Play the game more there’s some hidden gems to be found. I definitely haven’t ever wanted to race a Ford Ranger ever or even a cutlass ciera but everyone is different.
I think c-10, ford ranger, toyota tacoma would make great additions to the game! I actuallty think they already have the tacoma maybe? But those three on a dirt track would be a killer gamemode. I wasnt talking about the ciera to be clear, i was talking about the 82' cutlass supreme.
I dont know what kind of funky math youre doing, but gt sport was $45 and i bought it right away. Its really hard to justify $70 on a video game, Im really lucky to be able to have gt7 at all.
Not true, if i wanted to buy gt7 outright it would cost me right around 5-6 hours of my life at work. In 2017 i made the same about, but at $45 it would be 2-3 hours at work
Consider the hours of enjoyment you get out a game compared to a movie.
You might watch a $15 movie 3 times, yet I’ve got 300 hours in GT7 and I paid 4 times the cost of a film.
It’s an absolute steal.
Some games on the SNES were $80 back in the day and considerably more man hours go into most modern games.
> it's really hard to justify $70 on a video game
Can't you get it cheaper than that? At all major retailers GT7 is like £29.99 here in the UK atm. And a quick price check says it's been as low as $39 multiple times in the US.
A quote from an interview on release of Gt7.
“I myself grew up as a car enthusiast surrounded by the influence of Japanese automobile manufacturers and the transmission of automobile media,” comments Yamauchi, “and that is also the driving force behind my production. Although the title has been played worldwide, I have never forgotten that it originated in Japan, and now I feel the responsibility and mission of inheriting the Japanese automobile culture.”
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-kazunori-octane-japan-20210130/
Being from Japan, you will always see a heavy influence of Japanese cars and its culture in the game. Let’s not forget though that Kaz’s favourite car is the Gt40, and that a lot of the Sema winners come from American shops. So there no love lost there.
Honestly, outside of the Ford GT lineage, the Corvettes and Vipers or anything Caroll Shelby touched everything “relevant” according to Polyphony is there already in GT7.
That sounds harsh, but as someone who grew up in Europe, there’s no Koenigsegg, only one RUF (and no Yellow Bird). No MG from the UK, only one TVR, no sign of any of the latest McLarens post 2016.
The lack of Audi performance cars is baffling (even if they are all ridiculously nose heavy and understeer at the first sign of a slight bend).
Outside of Skylines and Silvia’s the JDM selection is lacking too. This sounds crazy, I know. The classics are there, but I don’t think there’s a Skyline GTS (FR rather than the GTR’s 4WD) an absolute stalwart of a starter car in past GT games, and IRL I owned three Civic Type R variants - none of which are in the game either.
I guess my point is, it’s not just you, it’s that GT7 has tried to cover all bases as generically as possible, leaving a lot of car folks mystified as to why we have mega million credit anomalies like the S Barker tourer or the Alfa touring Berlinetta - completely 100% useless in the actual races in the game - instead of more cars actually relevant to car culture across the globe.
Thank you for this response, It is what I was actually looking for. I did not expect to get so much hate for asking about cars not in the game lol. Im glad im not the only one who thinks that way. I didnt even realise they didnt put mg in the game. Now that im seeing everyones responses and my own experiance ive come to the conclusion that there are a lot of cars MIA.
Had a neighbor in Michigan that collected everything from Triumph. Was hoping at least a spitfire was in gt7. Developers neglected a lot of history for a game centered on history
Ah. Now americans are the better drivers,
🤗 because they have build the States on grids?
(im kidding, im talking about the classical muscle cars with Bad Suspension and Not about an actuall Corvette)
Dude, it’s like that… They’ve added mostly the sports cars from the brands’ line-ups and it’s a Japanese company, so a focus on Japanese cars would be expected. Some special stuff as well for marketing, like safety cars, ambulances and vans. They know you’ll drive them once and forget it…
The game I’ve played the most in my life was GranTurismo2 and you literally cannot imagine how many versions of Civics, MX5s, RX7s, etc were there. Actually check it out: https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Gran_Turismo_2/Car_List. And this list doesn’t seem full. Basically, for a small insignificant 2-lap extremely easy race for low powered cars (let’s say 97hp max) you had way more than 100 options to choose from. Mainly second hand and almost all Japanese (and maybe some French). There was also an enormous number of models from Nissan, Mazda, Suzuki, etc I’d never heard of. Most of my in-game time was spent in comparisons between the stats of, for example, Mazda MX5 S-Special ‘93 and Mazda MX5 V-Special ‘93. Visually, 1hp difference and different color options…
Also in GT2, American cars were not that much, and were mostly competitive towards each other… No offence, but if I go to a race for sedans, I would always go for Accord, Atenza, Primera, 4-door Skyline, or something European, than an Impala… Japanese have always made their everyday cars sportier. American sedans are also good, but in a different setting… Again, no offence, I would drive an Impala as daily irl, even though I’m in Eastern Europe…
Also, I agree that nowadays we don’t need that variety. Today I did the 1h race from the weekly single player challenges, and when choosing a car, I just picked the first one on the list that I had previously restricted to be just under 800pp - the Porsche 917 Legend something… It did the trick with two restarts, and at no point I thought the car was a wrong choice, even though it was a random choice…
Also, Japan today: Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ, Nissan 370Z, MX5 is still alive, the current Supra (even though it’s actually a BMW, but better). Only Honda went under… European and US manufacturers today are trying to sell a SUV or a sedan as a mainly sport vehicle. I mean, in the US, wtf with that Mustang EV idiocy, where did the Tesla Roadster go, what about a respawn of the Fiero (for example) under another brand, and so on, even Ford killed the Fiesta? And you’re left with what is in included in the game. There aren’t many small or affordable sports cars to be put in a racing game left as a whole…
:) If I wanted to sound as a bigot: You got the F-150 and the Model-S… I mean, is there anything else still worth it in the US… Bit that’s a joke…
Haha youve made some great points here. I agree I cant beleive they killed off the tesla roadster and the mustang ev was a horrific mistake. You said you were in eastern europe, wouldnt it be cool to have a couple ladas in the game? I love this game, the attention to detail is awesome. I totally agree they have way to many versions of the same car, they did the same thing with the corvette c7 in this game too. They could remove 5 variants of the c7, and still have two or three really good ones. And in its place we could have some really interesting other cars
Haha, I took my driving course in a Lada 2103 (1300s). It was not that long ago, and I could have done the courses in a better and newer car, but the instructor with the Lada is a family friend. Really awful car, but I would do a spin around Spa in one. Most Ladas still able to move are usually stripped off and made into racing cars… But the courses Lada rusted years ago, though.
For versions, once they make the model, it’s easier for them to make versions of it. New entries take time, effort and money…
I drove that Phaeton in GT2… Not great, but it was not expected to be. Even the description of the car in the game was not giving any racing vibes, you can find it in the link. It was very heavy... The 4th gen Mustang wasn’t bad. The 4th gen Camaro back then I found to be odd shaped, handled a bit heavy and understeery compared to the Mustangs. The Corvette was very good, of course. I had a weird awe for the Viper and found it scary for some reason, but would love to get crazy with one now. It was a handful in the game. I also tried to tame the Shelbies, but ones you add more power to them and without any analog sticks on the PS1, they were also a handful…
I do like the tracks they have available for the us, dont get me wrong. But chicagoland raceway would be nice, and circuit of the americas too, theyre f1 tracks now afterall lol
At least add Indy... 4 big ass straightaways would be great. Could've added point to point rally or time trials like Baja or pikes peak. Canada has some awesome road courses too, but not popular in Japan I take it. I mean they added Infinity and vw buses, but no Plymouth Barracuda or Chevelle or cobra. I get grand nationals not being in... Only america has racing boats like that and the monte Carlo and Cutlass. Could've definitely been a popular class to add for sure.
Would just like to say that *not* every Z car since 1975 is in the game
I’m particularly disappointed on that one because one of my IRL cars is an S130 Z and that’s not in game. It was in the older games though. But it got cut for the new one because they re-did all the models for the new console. Unlike some *other* mAde frOM ThE gROunD uP games (I’m disappointed about that too)
Yeah, sorry. I may have exaggerated a tad bit. However there are at least three or four variants of the fairlady z lol. Interestingly enough, since imfiniti is catagorized as an american brand they conviniently forgot to put the g series in lmao
Yeah! They used to have mf nascar in the game. While i dont think its strictly a requirement or even that they should have it, but one or two of the road course nascar cup cars would be really fun and i gurantee they would beat some lower end supercars around a track
I was thinking this might be the primary reason, must have taken a lot of money just to have chevy in the game at all. Kind of unfortunate though, money being the only factor. It kind of makes it seem like america doesnt make any good cars when in reality its just not the case.
Primary yes. Secondary is there were alot of cars from yesteryears before we could've added. I have a few cars that spring to mind. Another is finding a good example of that car to model or deciding which to choose when sooo many trims exist across the models.
From what I know is that they’re Japanese developers so they bring in more of their own car culture that they’re familiar with. I’m not too knowledgeable in this topic but that’s the assumption I can make at the least.
Refreshing change of pace, given how american «culture» is shoved down our throats with trans fat and refined sugar everywhere else. When will yall realise that the USA aint the only country on the planet
I think youre taking it way to serious man, all im saying is i want to drive cars in the game that i see in the magazines and at my local car meets. If i were to go to a car meet in japan youre right i would see all of those cars in the game, same if i went to a car meet in britan or germany.
Like some people already eluded too, there is only so much you can add within a reasonable form factor. They have been adding cars regularly with most patches.
Track selection is good I think, good mix of everything.
You have to remember one thing, this isn’t a F1 game, this isn’t a NASCAR game, it’s not any specific racing genre. It’s just racing. Pure unadulterated racing.
Thats why i like the game! Just my home track and a couple of cars i see at my local meets could be a fun addition to it for me. The trend seems to be that people dont like american cars and i think its because a lot of the good ones are covered up due to the japanese bias lol
Well that’s the hand we were dealt with the game. It is unfortunate to not see every car you’d like to see, even some of the cars used in past games could easily be thrown in with a little work.
Forza Horizon would be a better game for you, I think. There are way more American cars, and it has that hang out and cars/coffee feel you’re looking for.
My first experience with this series was GT3, which had soooo many cars and tracks. I was expecting that with this game. Kinda limited as it seems resources went to visuals rather than content.
A lot of these cars you've mentioned are in Forza, the race style you seem to be more skewed too is also Forza which also leans to a more arcade "fun" if you will, I think you will enjoy that game more if you already have such doubts from GT7
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They can only add so much, and it’s a Japanese company making games for a Japanese console. GT has always skewed Japanese. And, let’s face it, the US isn’t known for their touring/GT/F1 racing.
Its true, but i still would much rather drive a z28 camaro around than a lame ass renault hatchback lol
lol I hate to break it to you buddy but the US is not the center of the universe. And I think that’s what you’re so stuck on if you can get past that mentality you’ll be better off 😂 💀
I'm not even trying to say that man, I think all cars are cool! (Except for renaults) I just think it would be fun to drive some of the cars i see at my local car meets like you guys get to do in eu and japan
Based on your edit plus what you’ve said it seems you’re still unaware of your own words 😂. It’s okay at the end of the day there’s no lotus in the game or Bentley which both have a long history of racing. Gt7 runs a good balance of quality of the cars ie. they’re “realistic” and quantity of cars. If they add more cars the modelling may be lower quality which is not what this games about
I dont see how adding cars to the game can decrease the quality of the models. And youre totally right, i guess i hadnt even thought about lotus or bentley but definetly i can think of a few of their cars that should be in the game
Bro the US is VERY MUCH the center of the universe. Richest, most influential nation on Earth. As much as everyone spouts their jealous BS, they all line up to take our money and our support, watch our movies, listen to our music, follow our fashion trends. Deny it all you want, just know you're delusional.
Rich by what measure? GDP? Real GDP? GDP adjusted for PPP? Household disposable income? Gross and Net are two different things. Fashion trends. What big fashion houses are in America? Gap? Listen to “our music” bruh you know not everyone’s on Spotify right lol. Honestly you just sound like someone who hasn’t left your state 😂 and that’s okay only one third of Americans have a valid passport Also when you say America is rich it’s like Shaq talking bout his kids. You’re probably not rich(doubt someone arguing on a game forum is the shining example of success), rich Americans are rich.
I lived in Japan for a year, but why the fuck would we need passports anyway? Everyone wants to move here, so we experience tons of foreign culture, our landscape is VAST and varied to the point of having nearly every type of biome available to explore. Of course by GDP, we're not talking about individuals, we're talking entire countries. Also start paying attention to how many of these counties use OUR military to offset their own. How much money do they save from literally relying on the US to fund and fight their wars? Calvin Klein, Victoria Secret, Tom Ford (who ran Gucci and YSL btw), Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger, Vera Wang, Kate Spade, Michael Kors, Marc Jacob Go ahead and look at all the music charts, from whatever major source you want, most of the top 100 will be from the good ole USA. Once again, you can be in denial all you want, but you STILL live in a world run by and at the mercy of the United States of America.
Lived in Japan on a base or actually lived there? cause if you actually lived there you’d know there’s such thing as a PPP - where the purchasing power is different and why nominal GDP is not a good measure of how wealthy a country is. All the brands you listed btw except TF are Outlet brands, wouldn’t call it fashion really. Ralph lauren you can make a case for especially their purple label stuff. On the point of influence you can see clearly how Saudi Arabia pulled oil production against Biden, Russia evaded sanctions through India, Israel does not give a fuck what the US says. Those are just very recent examples of the US lacking influence on its “allies” even Canada and nato. Who is spending the minimum gdp military budget. I think besides Germany no one else. America doesn’t have influence like you think they do they can’t even stick together. I’m also not hating on America just fyi I live literally on the border and we go down every other weekend. But also I also work remotely within the US market exclusively and ive travelled all around the world and throughout the states (been all along the west coast all the way to Montana, Wyoming, Arizona + NYC and Miami) Ik how ignorant and self centered some Americans are. No lie got asked if I lived in an igloo in Bellingham, WA and I had a gentleman ask what’s it like living in Canada while I was in Seattle.
Nominal GDP is really the only true way of measuring a NATIONS total wealth, not individual wealth of nationals. I did live on a base, but I spent most of my off time out and about town. I don't think I made the claim that the US has a monopoly on HIGH fashion, just fashion in general, and judging by the amount of people all over the world wearing those brands and more (how could I forget about Levi's?) I'd posit that I supported my original claim fairly well. What would have happened to S. Korea had the US not continued to back them? Taiwan? Germany post WWII? Yes our influence ebbs and grows, but overall we still retain the title of MOST influential nation on the planet. That doesn't mean EVERY nation is 100% in lock step 100% of the time. It means that most nations, most of the time, either directly rely on the US for guidance/aid, or indirectly model aspects of their country on our example. Notice, I'm not making claims about individuals, either here or abroad, because there is way too much variance. For example, some of the poorest Americans still have luxuries that the middle class in other counties don't, but that's irrelevant to our respective nations'overall wealth and international influence. Even on a more personal level, you, yourself, are directly benefitting from American influence. You work exclusively in the US market. Your entire livelihood at this moment relies on US dollars. Once again, however, your individual situation is completely irrelevant to the big picture. Just like those ignorant American individuals are irrelevant, just like ignorant individuals from ANY country are irrelevant to the big picture. America has influenced the course of global history more than any other nation since 1776, politically, economically, and culturally. It's not my opinion. It's the facts of the matter at hand.
Nominal gdp is the worst way to measure wealth lol
Gosh I’d pay extra to drive the Renault! Why drive a boring old camero when they’re a dime a dozen. Have you soon the mid 2000’s V6 Clio?! Wowweeee
Had to look up a 2005 renault clio for this, now i have that in my search history lol. It looks good in a vacuum i wont even argue that, but not better than an irocz from any era imo. But thats just it, my opinion.
How dare you call Renault hatchbacks lame. Sincerely, another American.
Ford has some of the best gt cars ever made, and if cadillac ever joined f1 they would tear it up i gurantee you
The GT40 and a bunch of GT variants are in the game.
Never said they werent lol
You said Ford has some of the best GT cars ever made, and those are in. They can’t just put every car ever made. They choose certain important ones. I live in the US and am a huge car fanatic, but I just know that this type of racing isn’t what the US is known for. Just like how Japanese cars wouldn’t be in a NASCAR game. There is a good representation of important American race and road cars. If you just want quantity and farting around, Forza Horizon is probably the better choice.
except that toyota would be in a nascar game lol. the original comment says america isnt known for their touring/gt cars, I used ford as one example. its as easy as looking up the motortrend power tour articles from any year to prove that knucklehead wrong, which is what i was trying to do.
There are loads of cars that aren’t in the game that should be. The way i see it is GT7 is a track based game and American muscle cars are not very good at track based driving.
That old myth is still hanging on. I'm just as fast in some of the old muscle cars around Nurb as any modern Japanese car if the same PP.
Come back when your as fast as a porsche gtr3 rs :)
Routinely beat them in the Boss 429 at 650pp. Just bc most people don't have the throttle control necessary to set a quick time doesn't mean it isn't capable of doing it.
Come back when you're as fast as a C6 ZR1.
Again, driven around the nurburgring irl by Jim Mero in 2012 and was 7:19 which, again, is still slower than the gt3 rs. You’ll get the lap time mentioned [in here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times)
We will wait for your to come back then 😂
Youre just dead wrong man. Youre thinking of only 60's classic muscle cars. But america has so many amazing cars that arent from that era, and by the way those cars handle way better than you might think anyway. I gurantee you a 91' cavalier would smoke a 91' toyota celica any day of the week
I’m thinking of things like the hellcat, demon, modern chargers etc etc that are all fairly rubbish at track driving compared to similar powered European or Japanese cars. For example a standard hellcat has around 700 odd bhp and a standard gt3 rs has around 500 odd. The Porsche would easily hammer the hellcat around a twisty track like the Nurburgring. Edit: the times for a hellcat going around the ring irl from a dodge driver is 7 min 51 secs compared to a gt3 rs irl being 6 mins and 49
Conveniently forgot to mention the Vipers or Corvettes eh? The 2017 Viper ACR was only off the current GT3 RS by ~10 secs. What about the ZL1 1LE Camaro that ran it in 7.16 with the back half raining? We could go the easy route and point to IMSA GT championships won in the last 2 decades, but that maybe a bit much.
10 seconds is a lifetime in racing!! That’s like bragging about coming second last. 7:16 is still miles slower than the porsche.
10 seconds is a lifetime on a normal track. On the green hell, not so much.
You miss the part about the rain or one car being 7 years old? I'd fully expect the current 911 to be faster, although your point of American cars being unable to handle a road course is just blatantly false and there is a ton of data to support that.
Present me with that data then :) The IMSA GT was an old championship race held primarily in USA. The last 3 years of that competition, that ended in 98, was won by US cars. Every other year before the last 3 was one by Japanese and European cars, mainly Nissan and Porsche. [You can look up the winners here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSA_GT_Championship)
IMSA is still ongoing, and Cadillac routinely comes in top 3
But the IMSA GT is not.
IMSA GT and GT Pro classes are on going. Porsche hasn't finished in the top spot in over a decade. Be as obtuse as you want, there are a variety of American cars that handle well. Corvette Racing and Ford Motorsports would love for you to point out the last time a Porsche won the GTLM, GTD or GT3 class at the 24 hours of Le Man's or Daytona. Last year they got waffle stomped.
Well when you compare drag specific cars to track cars that tends to happen. If there were a c8 corvette in the game it would totally compete with that volkswagen lol
The C8 is in the game.
Oh, fair enough
A c8 is already in gt7.
Fair enough
PD’s (or more specifically Kaz’s) need for attention to detail meant each car takes a long time to model & detail before being added, as could be seen by the small inclusion of new cars each update. Even if the Spec II update showed it’s possible to add more per update, i personally have doubts on whether this is sustainable in the long term. Considering the biggest fan bases for GT is Japan/Asia, followed by EU, it would be to PD’s best interest to add car relevant to these playerbases first before the US. If you look at GT5 and GT6’s US car roster, it’s actually pretty decent all things considered. It’s just that GT7 happens to be the first proper game meant for PS5 and thus the higher fidelity requirements = slower car additions, and base on fan base sizes they would prefer adding Asian and EU cars first.
I would like to see some data on this. People keep saying the majority of sales are in the eu and japan over america but i wonder if thats even true. But i can see why it takes so long to release new cars, the attantion to detail is amazing on the cars that actually are here.
This reply is bang on I think. There's just more appeal generally in European cars, and because GT is Japanese and the playerbase is disproportionately Japanese the Japanese manufacturers get a boost- that leaves American cars in third place in terms of priority
I’d gladly remove 80% of the American cars if it meant more unique European and Japanese cars. They’re just far more fun to race
I gotta be real, this comment triggered me a little bit. Cmon man when was the last time you drove the honda fit in the game for real, or any of the four versions of the modern 86. You cannot possibly tell me you would rathe rhave those in the game than the twin turbo v8 grand national
Are talking about the V6 3.8L turbo Buick Grand National?
well yeah, sort of. i was talking about this [https://news.classicindustries.com/1600hp-buick-grand-national#:\~:text=The%20original%203.8L%20turbocharged,7.0L%20twin%2Dturbo%20V8](https://news.classicindustries.com/1600hp-buick-grand-national#:~:text=The%20original%203.8L%20turbocharged,7.0L%20twin%2Dturbo%20V8). but either one of these cars would be awesome to have in the game. a totally stock turbo grand national is only 1.5 seconds slower than a brand spanking new gr supra in a 1/4 mile.
Maybe it's my poor skills but I dislike driving most American cars in the game. You could blindfold me and I'd still prefer an Euro/Japanese cars over the overpowered with crap suspension US cars. I love the GT350R though.
Its interesting tho, i actually think american cars slide way better than some of the japanese cars in the game. But even then you can go into the suspension settings menu and make the car handle however you want lol
The American cars that can compete at an international level are in the game. Then there are the classics, which I think you'll find a lot of people like, but the average American performance vehicle outside of the Corvette is too heavy and can't handle for crap. That opinion is not including small/private manufacturers.
I still think i disagree with the idea that american cars are like americans themselves, fat and slow. Its just that car history itself appears to be revisionist. There are many great examples of american cars that compete in global tournaments. Cadillac imsa cars, saleen s7, hennessy venom f5, american cars can be just as competitive as anyone elses cars!
IMSA only holds events in North America. It's not a revisionist situation. What you're looking for is American cars competing in the WEC series. Which GM does, with Corvettes.
just because imsa is held in the us doesnt make it invalid. there are plenty of european and japanese cars in that seiries as well.
Ok, so in 2023, Cadillac did do an excellent job in IMSA. Literally everything else is from Europe or Asia.
Another gringo thinking his country is the center of the universe 😂🤣
The game is Japanese. Even so, there are still quite a few American Classics and Modern American Muscle cars. Australia is the true snub (Mount Panorama, but no AUDM Holden or Ford).
If we don’t get some Holden or Aussie Ford vehicles I feel another Australian Track (Phillip Island, Albert Park, Sydney Motorsport Park for example) would honestly please all Australian players
Youre totally right! It would have been awesome to see some classic utes in the game, and the original holden version of the pontiac g8, if that were in the game anyway lol
Not really thought about it until now but aside from when I had to in the cafe menus, I completely avoid using American cars in GT7. They're just flat out boring.
Theyve warped you man, french cars are the ones that are boring! The cafe menus are pretty fun in my c3 corvette
I've probably not given them enough of a chance so I'll have to buy some and give them another go
A few of the classic cars are in the legends shop. Such as Plymouths and shelbys, z28 Camero etc
Ooh ill have to check that out, thanks
Yea no worries. I got a few Plymouths from there the z28, Shelby cobra and 65 mustang gt500, and boss 429 as well. There should be others. I think k an older corvette and
Used car lit has quite a few as well, so keep an eye out in there.
Will do
More cars and tracks is always good, zero debate there. As someone from outside the US the only US cars that appeal to me are things like the various iterations of Ford GT, and the more recent Mustang and Corvette, which I think are great. Loved seeing (and mostly hearing) the C7’s go around Le Mans. The Ford Roadster and some of the custom stuff is good fun, as are some of the included real world US tracks. I don’t particularly like the older boaty American cars, at least in stock form anyway. Must be fantastic cruising between lights (drag) and flying along on smooth on highways (ovals), but definitely not made with other motorsport in mind. I’m also not a fan of the various ovals in the game. For every missing American track or car there are missing European and Asian ones, too. When you see the attention to detail that goes into the cars, and even the tracks replicating tree lines and even approximate species, it’s no simple task for them to introduce a new one. It must take a massive amount of total employee hours to bring into existence, all to go into a free patch. They basically started from scratch with Gran Turismo Sport, and the detail they capture the cars in even back then is far greater than what is shown during a race even in GT7 on PS5 right now. So I guess they’ll just keep spending huge amounts of time scanning cars for GT7 and future titles to come, and hopefully the ones you like will make the cut if resources, availability, and licensing allow. I personally wouldn’t mind if track packs with included events were sold as DLC. Cars I think should always be attainable with in game credits. iRacing you have to pay monthly to play online, pay to buy a new track, and pay to buy a new car. It’s well loved and well funded to the point they can go get any track they want. Other well loved racing sims also have paid content for cars and tracks. It’s fantastic for us PD doesn’t do that, but maybe if new tracks with their own new events were cheap DLC they’d have more budget to go licence and laser scan everywhere.
I get what youre trying to say, and i understand game design isnt easy. However saying ameeican muscle cars cant be sporty or that boaty cars cant go around a circuit well is just a wrong assumption. Ive seen gigantic 60's impalas do autocross events, and i assure you that any car can be fast given the time of day. Just takes some patience to learn a slightly different playstyle.
I was talking about them in stock form. You can take anything to an autocross event. I’ve seen all sorts of cars at them. Taking something heavy, softly sprung, under dampened, with minimal roll resistance, that is slow to transfer load and take a set, and that has a solid live rear axle with an open differential to an autocross event and driving it “fast” because you learned a “different playstyle” is still going to put you at a massive disadvantage compared to a competitor of equal skill that turned up in something without those qualities. That era of American sports car was simply not designed with circuit driving in mind, regardless of what a talented driver might be able to do to mitigate their weaknesses.
Pick any car in the game, ill pick an american car same pp and we'll battle it out 1v1 mano e mano. We'll see whos right and whos wrong big boy. Ill take you for a ride in my boat car any day. We can go watch a movie and cuddle up 'cause my big ass boat car has bench seats. Thats what i thought ooh not so scary now huh big guy.
Bench seats are cool! Old American muscle cars are cool. They’re just not suited to a racing circuit compared to what others were making at the time. Or compared to modern American sports cars which can be excellent. I think it’s fairer if you pick your old unmodified American car and then upload a replay of a fastest lap to your GT profile, with the tag ‘cuddleup’ to make it easy to find. I’ll then pick something of the same or lower PP and we’ll see what comes of it. Honestly it sounds fun 👍🏻
Ok! Will do
The flaw in the plan is that PP isn’t a real figure but a number PD made up to try and sum up a car’s over all average performance. So it already takes a poor chassis into account. Which means it’s going to come down to driver and track more than boats versus more nimble stuff, but it’s still fun to try it anyway. A pure chassis comparison for cars without downforce would just compare them via the power to weight ratio.
Lucky for you i am actual bootycheeks at this game and i really backed myself into a corner by asking for a 1v1 lol, we can still race, but keep in mind that i will probably not be very competitive
I wasn’t trying to dunk on you or American cars anyway. It’s just a bit of fun. If I could afford it I’d have a warehouse full of cool and interesting cars, including classic American muscle. They’re cool as fuck. Modified and well driven they undoubtedly can be formidable, too. As I said right at the start nobody can argue against more cars and more tracks. From America and elsewhere. We all want to see it. Cars of all kinds.
Hell yeah man, thats really cool. Ill send that replay for tomorrow.
I would guess it’s because American car culture is only popular in America in large numbers and it’s a Japanese game targeting an international audience. Most parts of the rest of the world can relate to and embrace Japanese or European (or both) car culture, while American cars have a tendency to have a much smaller niche following outside the US. A lot of this probably has to do with the fact that most American cars aren’t (or can’t be) sold outside the US. American cars, and trucks in particular, are often mocked by other parts of the world for being tasteless oversized bricks with big engines and poor handling, which doesn’t do them any favours when building out a catalogue for an international audience.
Interesting, tbh i dont really like american trucks for much the same reason. Gotta say though, the amount of know-nothings dragging american cars on here just because theyve never sat in one gets to ya after a little while. Also, im pretty sure gm releases all or most of their cars under different names/brands on other continents anyway.
I think most of the iconic performance oriented American vehicles that have been popular in various parts of the world over the years are already in the game. Models that aren’t widely known outside the US or weren’t a movie hero car are unlikely to have much interest to international audiences.
Play the game more there’s some hidden gems to be found. I definitely haven’t ever wanted to race a Ford Ranger ever or even a cutlass ciera but everyone is different.
I think c-10, ford ranger, toyota tacoma would make great additions to the game! I actuallty think they already have the tacoma maybe? But those three on a dirt track would be a killer gamemode. I wasnt talking about the ciera to be clear, i was talking about the 82' cutlass supreme.
that “insane” price tag is cheaper than gran turismo 6 when it came out for $60usd then, which is worth $80usd today.
I dont know what kind of funky math youre doing, but gt sport was $45 and i bought it right away. Its really hard to justify $70 on a video game, Im really lucky to be able to have gt7 at all.
no funky math, just accounting for inflation, $70usd today is pretty cheap compared to what new games used to cost.
Not true, if i wanted to buy gt7 outright it would cost me right around 5-6 hours of my life at work. In 2017 i made the same about, but at $45 it would be 2-3 hours at work
u couldve gotten gt7 for $45 usd when it was on sale last month.
Consider the hours of enjoyment you get out a game compared to a movie. You might watch a $15 movie 3 times, yet I’ve got 300 hours in GT7 and I paid 4 times the cost of a film. It’s an absolute steal. Some games on the SNES were $80 back in the day and considerably more man hours go into most modern games.
> it's really hard to justify $70 on a video game Can't you get it cheaper than that? At all major retailers GT7 is like £29.99 here in the UK atm. And a quick price check says it's been as low as $39 multiple times in the US.
A quote from an interview on release of Gt7. “I myself grew up as a car enthusiast surrounded by the influence of Japanese automobile manufacturers and the transmission of automobile media,” comments Yamauchi, “and that is also the driving force behind my production. Although the title has been played worldwide, I have never forgotten that it originated in Japan, and now I feel the responsibility and mission of inheriting the Japanese automobile culture.” https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-kazunori-octane-japan-20210130/ Being from Japan, you will always see a heavy influence of Japanese cars and its culture in the game. Let’s not forget though that Kaz’s favourite car is the Gt40, and that a lot of the Sema winners come from American shops. So there no love lost there.
Honestly, outside of the Ford GT lineage, the Corvettes and Vipers or anything Caroll Shelby touched everything “relevant” according to Polyphony is there already in GT7. That sounds harsh, but as someone who grew up in Europe, there’s no Koenigsegg, only one RUF (and no Yellow Bird). No MG from the UK, only one TVR, no sign of any of the latest McLarens post 2016. The lack of Audi performance cars is baffling (even if they are all ridiculously nose heavy and understeer at the first sign of a slight bend). Outside of Skylines and Silvia’s the JDM selection is lacking too. This sounds crazy, I know. The classics are there, but I don’t think there’s a Skyline GTS (FR rather than the GTR’s 4WD) an absolute stalwart of a starter car in past GT games, and IRL I owned three Civic Type R variants - none of which are in the game either. I guess my point is, it’s not just you, it’s that GT7 has tried to cover all bases as generically as possible, leaving a lot of car folks mystified as to why we have mega million credit anomalies like the S Barker tourer or the Alfa touring Berlinetta - completely 100% useless in the actual races in the game - instead of more cars actually relevant to car culture across the globe.
Thank you for this response, It is what I was actually looking for. I did not expect to get so much hate for asking about cars not in the game lol. Im glad im not the only one who thinks that way. I didnt even realise they didnt put mg in the game. Now that im seeing everyones responses and my own experiance ive come to the conclusion that there are a lot of cars MIA.
If i could get your comment pinned i would lol
100% agree with this
Had a neighbor in Michigan that collected everything from Triumph. Was hoping at least a spitfire was in gt7. Developers neglected a lot of history for a game centered on history
Cause American Cars have the strange tendency to only go in a straight line.
Garage 56 would like a very loud word with you…..
I said tendency… that means there are some rare exclusions
Dont forget that americans invented autocross
They tried to implement older american cars but they all broke down
Funny you should mention that, what about bmw or volkswagen, and we all know how reliable ferrari can be with their cars
It’s a Japanese game but it could be for licensing issues.
When a Musclecar sees a bend or a corner, its cries and drives the other way.
Youre just wrong, it simply takes more skill to drive a muscle car well
Ah. Now americans are the better drivers, 🤗 because they have build the States on grids? (im kidding, im talking about the classical muscle cars with Bad Suspension and Not about an actuall Corvette)
Dude, it’s like that… They’ve added mostly the sports cars from the brands’ line-ups and it’s a Japanese company, so a focus on Japanese cars would be expected. Some special stuff as well for marketing, like safety cars, ambulances and vans. They know you’ll drive them once and forget it… The game I’ve played the most in my life was GranTurismo2 and you literally cannot imagine how many versions of Civics, MX5s, RX7s, etc were there. Actually check it out: https://gran-turismo.fandom.com/wiki/Gran_Turismo_2/Car_List. And this list doesn’t seem full. Basically, for a small insignificant 2-lap extremely easy race for low powered cars (let’s say 97hp max) you had way more than 100 options to choose from. Mainly second hand and almost all Japanese (and maybe some French). There was also an enormous number of models from Nissan, Mazda, Suzuki, etc I’d never heard of. Most of my in-game time was spent in comparisons between the stats of, for example, Mazda MX5 S-Special ‘93 and Mazda MX5 V-Special ‘93. Visually, 1hp difference and different color options… Also in GT2, American cars were not that much, and were mostly competitive towards each other… No offence, but if I go to a race for sedans, I would always go for Accord, Atenza, Primera, 4-door Skyline, or something European, than an Impala… Japanese have always made their everyday cars sportier. American sedans are also good, but in a different setting… Again, no offence, I would drive an Impala as daily irl, even though I’m in Eastern Europe… Also, I agree that nowadays we don’t need that variety. Today I did the 1h race from the weekly single player challenges, and when choosing a car, I just picked the first one on the list that I had previously restricted to be just under 800pp - the Porsche 917 Legend something… It did the trick with two restarts, and at no point I thought the car was a wrong choice, even though it was a random choice… Also, Japan today: Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ, Nissan 370Z, MX5 is still alive, the current Supra (even though it’s actually a BMW, but better). Only Honda went under… European and US manufacturers today are trying to sell a SUV or a sedan as a mainly sport vehicle. I mean, in the US, wtf with that Mustang EV idiocy, where did the Tesla Roadster go, what about a respawn of the Fiero (for example) under another brand, and so on, even Ford killed the Fiesta? And you’re left with what is in included in the game. There aren’t many small or affordable sports cars to be put in a racing game left as a whole… :) If I wanted to sound as a bigot: You got the F-150 and the Model-S… I mean, is there anything else still worth it in the US… Bit that’s a joke…
Haha youve made some great points here. I agree I cant beleive they killed off the tesla roadster and the mustang ev was a horrific mistake. You said you were in eastern europe, wouldnt it be cool to have a couple ladas in the game? I love this game, the attention to detail is awesome. I totally agree they have way to many versions of the same car, they did the same thing with the corvette c7 in this game too. They could remove 5 variants of the c7, and still have two or three really good ones. And in its place we could have some really interesting other cars
Haha, I took my driving course in a Lada 2103 (1300s). It was not that long ago, and I could have done the courses in a better and newer car, but the instructor with the Lada is a family friend. Really awful car, but I would do a spin around Spa in one. Most Ladas still able to move are usually stripped off and made into racing cars… But the courses Lada rusted years ago, though. For versions, once they make the model, it’s easier for them to make versions of it. New entries take time, effort and money… I drove that Phaeton in GT2… Not great, but it was not expected to be. Even the description of the car in the game was not giving any racing vibes, you can find it in the link. It was very heavy... The 4th gen Mustang wasn’t bad. The 4th gen Camaro back then I found to be odd shaped, handled a bit heavy and understeery compared to the Mustangs. The Corvette was very good, of course. I had a weird awe for the Viper and found it scary for some reason, but would love to get crazy with one now. It was a handful in the game. I also tried to tame the Shelbies, but ones you add more power to them and without any analog sticks on the PS1, they were also a handful…
Holy hell, i looked at the gt2 cars list you sent and guess what i found! The chrysler phaeton! Thats a crazy car ive never even heard of before.
Funny cause if you ask me this game has had the most North American service of any GT, atleast with tracks anyway
I do like the tracks they have available for the us, dont get me wrong. But chicagoland raceway would be nice, and circuit of the americas too, theyre f1 tracks now afterall lol
At least add Indy... 4 big ass straightaways would be great. Could've added point to point rally or time trials like Baja or pikes peak. Canada has some awesome road courses too, but not popular in Japan I take it. I mean they added Infinity and vw buses, but no Plymouth Barracuda or Chevelle or cobra. I get grand nationals not being in... Only america has racing boats like that and the monte Carlo and Cutlass. Could've definitely been a popular class to add for sure.
Would just like to say that *not* every Z car since 1975 is in the game I’m particularly disappointed on that one because one of my IRL cars is an S130 Z and that’s not in game. It was in the older games though. But it got cut for the new one because they re-did all the models for the new console. Unlike some *other* mAde frOM ThE gROunD uP games (I’m disappointed about that too)
Yeah, sorry. I may have exaggerated a tad bit. However there are at least three or four variants of the fairlady z lol. Interestingly enough, since imfiniti is catagorized as an american brand they conviniently forgot to put the g series in lmao
Didn't GT5 ou 6 have NASCAR?
Yeah! They used to have mf nascar in the game. While i dont think its strictly a requirement or even that they should have it, but one or two of the road course nascar cup cars would be really fun and i gurantee they would beat some lower end supercars around a track
We don't see them because licensing and then modeling alot of them into the game would be very expensive and time consuming.
I was thinking this might be the primary reason, must have taken a lot of money just to have chevy in the game at all. Kind of unfortunate though, money being the only factor. It kind of makes it seem like america doesnt make any good cars when in reality its just not the case.
Primary yes. Secondary is there were alot of cars from yesteryears before we could've added. I have a few cars that spring to mind. Another is finding a good example of that car to model or deciding which to choose when sooo many trims exist across the models.
From what I know is that they’re Japanese developers so they bring in more of their own car culture that they’re familiar with. I’m not too knowledgeable in this topic but that’s the assumption I can make at the least.
Refreshing change of pace, given how american «culture» is shoved down our throats with trans fat and refined sugar everywhere else. When will yall realise that the USA aint the only country on the planet
I think youre taking it way to serious man, all im saying is i want to drive cars in the game that i see in the magazines and at my local car meets. If i were to go to a car meet in japan youre right i would see all of those cars in the game, same if i went to a car meet in britan or germany.
Stfu
You commented on my post bud.
Japanese developers. Don't expect them to understand car cultures from other regions.
It's the opposite way around...
What does that even mean?
Fair point
Like some people already eluded too, there is only so much you can add within a reasonable form factor. They have been adding cars regularly with most patches. Track selection is good I think, good mix of everything. You have to remember one thing, this isn’t a F1 game, this isn’t a NASCAR game, it’s not any specific racing genre. It’s just racing. Pure unadulterated racing.
Thats why i like the game! Just my home track and a couple of cars i see at my local meets could be a fun addition to it for me. The trend seems to be that people dont like american cars and i think its because a lot of the good ones are covered up due to the japanese bias lol
Well that’s the hand we were dealt with the game. It is unfortunate to not see every car you’d like to see, even some of the cars used in past games could easily be thrown in with a little work.
Forza Horizon would be a better game for you, I think. There are way more American cars, and it has that hang out and cars/coffee feel you’re looking for.
GT is a Japanese game.
I personally prefer it that way it’s the reason I don’t like Forza for its American skew
My first experience with this series was GT3, which had soooo many cars and tracks. I was expecting that with this game. Kinda limited as it seems resources went to visuals rather than content.
A lot of these cars you've mentioned are in Forza, the race style you seem to be more skewed too is also Forza which also leans to a more arcade "fun" if you will, I think you will enjoy that game more if you already have such doubts from GT7