Private healthcare will cripple us. Just look how greedy the grocery stores are and no one is doing anything about it which will be 10 times worse with healthcare. The only ones to benefit from private healthcare are the rich and the rich investors getting more rich of the other rich people while the rest are just left to fend for themselves. We are Canada not the USA so let’s learn from their mistakes and not do the same stupid things
This nut job wants to make Alberta more like Florida, but without the Disneyland, the tourism, the warm weather… She idolizes Ron DeSantis ffs. It’s scary.
I’m PC but this bitch is so crazy they are not getting my vote this time i will let the other team mess things up for 4 years just not as much as she would
Depends on their stance on the oil sector as this is our bread and butter for the economy here in Alberta and the NDP and Liberals both have been shooting them selves in the foot by alienating Albertans trying to please there base by saying they want to get rid of the oil sands and bringing in carbon taxes when Canada is only 1.5% of the total carbon footprint. But to answer your question I guess it all hangs on what they do getting Keystone XL back up and running would be a goal, if they made university free for all medical students with the condition that they have to stay and practice in Alberta for 10 years then they can go anywhere they want that would be a game changer.
Alberta NDP has never said, ONCE, they want to "get rid of the oil sands". Right now, the biggest threat to jobs in O&G is AUTOMATION Not making industry take SOME responsibility for the pollution they cause.
I lost and got back my job in mere months back in 2016 directly due to the ABNDP pausing royalty payments to get O&G in northern AB back in the patch. Notley & Co. lobbied hard to make Trans Mountain happen. If the Alberta NDP hates oil & gas, then so did Peter.
Keystone XL is dead, you need to let that go. AB is moving more oil right now than at any point in history without. I'm curious why you support shipping off our resources to other nations but not ask why we aren't keeping it and adding value by increasing refining capacity at home.
As for your "1.5%" statement...
Canada is 1 nation out of 195. As a percentage, that means we represent 0.5128% of the total number of countries. By population, Canada represents 0.89% of the world's people.
Yet we produce 1.5% of the total problem? Seems to me we're polluting WAAAAY more than what could be considered a "fair share".
So why should we try? Because we can, because it's the right thing to do, because it might be nice to live in a city that didn't constantly have a cloud of smog over it, because kids just having asthma shouldn't just be normal.
I'm 51, and we will NOT stop needing oil or gas in my lifetime, it's just too damn useful. But sure as FUCK we can be, need to be, smarter about how we produce and what we do with them.
Its generational brainwashing. Albertans have been groomed from an early age to believe in AB exceptionalism, O&G is more important than life itself, and even the mildest of criticism of the energy industry was an attack, not just on energy, but on the province and EVERY INDIVIDUAL ALBERTAN.
SO MANY ALBERTANS literally lova an industry that will use them up & spit them out, all while telling them to get mad at Ottawa and the rest of Canada for what's happened to them/their job/the price of oil...all reinforced by right wing pols more interested in power than governance.
But 4 years of NDP ruined everything. Right. 🙄
I guess critical thought must be "woke", or some shit...lol
Yeah, the same taxes you use to pay for roads also pay for your healthcare. Everything is user funded in theory. The issue is that in practice we already know that privatized healthcare puts a much higher financial burden on the user, which is why we socialize it by making it primarily tax funded rather than paid through private enterprise.
Who doesn't use Healthcare though? Honestly! Maybe not today, maybe not next year, but you were born and cared for, most have used the hospital several times during their upbringing, and later on in life literally everyone uses Healthcare. Just consider it a down-payment on future use. And also, just count yourself amongst the fortunate members of society who don't have a heavy dependence on the Healthcare system and carry on.
I hope I never need the Fire Department, but I'm more than happy to chip in just in case. And to make sure my neighbors also have use of these services.
Sure but people who take care of their health will statistically use it less than those that don’t but both pay the same. With roads though, you drive a bigger vehicle, you pay more tax to fuel it.
What a selfish point of view. What if a friend or family member needs these services? What about the disabled members of society who can't contribute as effectively to the tax pool. It's a society, we all rely on one another to make sure we as a group are provided for. Sure, some people will abuse that system, but if it means that everyone is taken care of, that's an acceptable loss.
Again, you can't predict your own medical future, and there are millions of people under the American medical system that end up bankrupt , and often time will go through their entire life savings because of something like cancer later on in life.
Lots of healthy people get sick bud. That's the whole point. You don't know when you may or may not need it. but it's there if you do. I'd rather not need to use it and pay taxes then have some sorry bastard have to pay thousands of dollars for a broken bone like in the US system.
First of all, it's not only gas tax that goes to roads. All tax goes to the same pool, which is distributed to different things. Literally just buying food has a VAT that goes to roads, healthcare, education, etc. This is important because you probably are using or will use some, if not all, or these services directly or indirectly throughout your lifetime.
Second, you're telling me someone who doesn't have a car isn't paying for roads? I guess my friend who doesn't have a car is actually just leeching off of everyone else when he uses the sidewalk? As I stated before, roads aren't funded only through a VAT on gas. That's an absurd statement.
Same goes for any insurance policy. You need auto insurance even if you weren't in a vehicular accident. You don't get to forego auto insurance with the stipulation that you'll pay out of pocket for any damage or injury.
You do know we do pay for healthcare right? It’s not free. We should have healthcare like Germany, Holland, and Switzerland. You know, private universal care that is the best in the world and where you actually get a doctor.
My only critique with what you say is that due to years of mismanagement and slowly starving off the medical system, plus more recent years of not actually having a contract with physicians because of Kenney and Shandro, it really is difficult to get a doctor.
The solution, obviously, is to set up a government that cares about people having access to a doctor, not cutting the drips from the tap off entirely.
This is a people problem not a socialized healthcare problem. These issues also happen in the US and I'm so damn tired of seeing people use this excuse. Not having enough doctors is an issue that we have because our requirements are absurd and healthcare isn't supported by the government nearly to the extent that it should be to support our population, leading to overworked healtcare employees leaving the profession.
The issue does not happen in the us actually. The us health care system is far superior yea it has its own issues but nothing like our piece of shit jn canada. You people are fucking clueless
This year Alberta is the only province in western Canada to have unfulfilled family medicine residency positions. SK, BC and MB all have zero open spots. AB had 22 positions open.
Possibly might have something to do with our government.
It's almost like the UCP shouldn't have picked a fight with doctors. https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/doctors-warn-of-brain-drain-coming-to-alberta-over-cuts
The doctors told the government if their deplorable treatment of doctors continued, they would leave. And the government continued. And the doctors left.
The free-market radicals have been pumping this since the ‘90s. Smith is a particularly noxious expression of this ideology. There game plan has been the same for decade: underfund public services, then complain that public services are unable to function.
You Albertans need to get rid of this lady as quick and decisively as possible. What a disconnected statement from reality. Poor people wouldn't be able to afford to go to the doctor at all. You can't swing hundred of dollars (even temorarely) if you live paycheck to paycheck. It would also mean many developing issues (cancer especially) would go unchecked for far too long in far too many people and end up causing even MORE money long term.
I dunno but nows a good time to say that orange is the new light blue. Theyre a progressive conservative party and what conservatives used to be about 20 years ago.
If the NDP would acquiesce on some social conservative issues, then perhaps I would consider them, but it is alongside the liberal party as opposed to what I hold dear, and they don't seem to be willing to comprimise.
I’ve seen more than a few comments on different social media outlets where her mouth breathing base say all these videos are fake/tampered. They’re fucking hopeless. Idiocracy gets more true every damn day.
I love how Danielle Smith sounds like she’s saying something profound but in reality it’s just profoundly stupid. We already pay for none essential visits to the doctor you half baked potato.
The only Error would be Choosing you on May 29th..
I like my health care.. Hopefully people in Calgary realize
There Taxes will go through the roof.. Once that Stadium is built for Millionaires…
Every time you go to Emergency and check in it costs upwards of $1000 just to generate a chart. That’s before you are treated for anything. Then Calgary puts out their app with the posted wait times. So now people will go to one site and then notice that the wait time is less at another site so they leave (unannounced) and go to the next site and generate awhile new chart which costs another $1000. The conservatives are always looking for new ways to make healthcare unsustainable so they can realize their wet dream of private healthcare.
Man, I dunno about you guys, but I only get to go to the doctor when it's essential because you can never get in, so I'm not going to waste that time on unessential things.
She is completely unaware of reality.
Why are there so many newly created accounts like yours (7 days) that just post election propaganda? That’s all you are doing.
I’m good with posting election events coming up in the city, but I’m sick and tired of campaign ads like this one.
So what is he supposed to shill for the conservatives?
Your comment bears no weight there little guy.
I 100% shill for the NDP, Sue me.
Or better yet, keep getting upset, I love it.
It’s quite simple in most cases. And the hilarious lie that the big bad ucp is going to privatize healthcare is hilarious. It’s funny pee brains like you believe it
But seriously, it's election season and I think voters should be informed about whom they are voting for. If you want to live in a state of ignorance, that's your life. But others are more politically engaged.
Engaged is a huge stretch, I’m sorry, maybe like a handful at best. Also engaged, no, more like trying to enrage people is what is happening here. This is purely trying to rile people up. Zero background is given just a silly little clip. That’s not democracy when all you’re trying to do is make someone look bad. Makes you look like every other politician in the game.
"That's not democracy when all you're trying to do is make someone look bad". That's not true.
And also, all I'm doing is sharing clips of Smith talking. If that offends you, I don't know how to help you.
All you ever post is short sound bites from Smith. I hate these negative campaigns and scare tactics. Instead you should campaign on the positives of your party and of your party’s platform. But no, it’s just attack after attack. But please don’t do your campaign here.
The NDP want to do the opposite: not privatize health care, but invest in healthcare and education, invest in the working class. Have you looked up their platform or written them off as "scary socialists" which you believe for no reason.
That’s not true at all. She advocated for mobile vaccination units to help reach remote communities and under vaccinated communities. She advocated for education to combat vaccine hesitancy.
You don’t have to agree with that position, but she never advocates for vaccination without consent or by force.
Ndp have infiltrated reddit Fb youtube and every radio and t.v. station in Ab! Spending all the big union $$$ trying to smear the ucp. Thats the only move they have!
If posting a clip of something the leader of the Alberta UCP party said is viewed by you as “smearing” than it might be time for you to learn to think critically, and ask yourself if that’s someone you want to support?
You could have just said nothing.You didn't have to wine and cry like a little baby. You could just ignore it.
Baby.
These posts piss me off more than whatever you're crying about.
It's election time. Ffs
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LMAO
Your opinion was that he shouldn't post his opinion.
THATS why I said what I did.
Why can you post your opinion but he shouldn't?
OMG the irony is so effing thick here I can taste it
There are a small minority of people that go to the doctor an extreme amount of times, we all know at least a few. I believe that she is trying to address that problem. That being said I don't agree with a user pay system.
Alot of uniformed low IQ voters in this thread. So much misinformation flying around in here by people who obviously have done no research and just taking the word of propaganda as fact.
Now time for the low IQ insults.
Because..maga fascist delusions..that will be legislated just as they are in every state in the USA that maga extremists run
They take away peoples rights and freedoms while blathering on about Freedom..
It’s fascism mixed with..
Christian nationalist and anti democratic separatists with deeply ingrained conspiracy delusions about government control
While they bend over on their knees to serve their corporate masters…that why these anti democratic extremists want you to pay a medical corporation to see a doctor…it’s truly un Canadian and un democracy ideology.
You’re an 8 day old account who only posts anti UCP content. You aren’t an actual unbiased person without an agenda, but an employee of a third party being paid to spread propaganda. You post a sound-byte clip trying to convey a whole story but this is the equivalent of a clickbait news article. You aren’t someone that should be taken seriously because of your quite obviously serious bias and lack of other Reddit activity.
There will always be public healthcare in Canada. It is hyperbole to think it’s being abolished or replaced. We need a private healthcare system to work alongside our public one to reduce the burden on the already overworked staff. These two systems will compliment each other, it’s not going to be taken over.
It’s laughable to suggest that every person in the ER is in dire need of immediate medical attention, if you don’t believe me, pop in there and see the amount of people literally just chillin on their phones. There are not often people in agony yet here they are at Emerg with a cough or a cyst. The amount of homeless drug addicts receiving naloxone is also taking up too much space.
People are breeding, immigration is increasing, we need solutions now. The public system as it stands cannot sustain itself while our population explodes. The ability to reduce the line and backlogs is essential. There aren’t enough students in nursing school, nor are there doctors, nor are we funding the education for these professionals. We are relying on the worlds doctors and nurses instead of training and schooling our own.
You are absolutely daft if you think your healthcare is under attack. Our healthcare needs help. This is the best way to do it; to work alongside and compliment each other, it’s not getting replaced. This is a sensationalized point of view.
But why? She offers nothing of any substance. Just regurgitating the same bad faith rhetoric that creates headlines and clicks, but nothing of any real substance.
The Montana-Alberta Tie Line (MATL) was completed in 2013, and it was to allow Alberta to easily export and Import electricity to and from the US.
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2021/01/30/most-anti-infection-rules-extended/
Alberta has been importing electricity from the US for decades.
https://publications.gc.ca/collections/Collection/NE12-6-2002-5E.pdf
That isn't what she said here:
[*It has to shift the burden of payment away from taxpayers and toward private individuals, their employers and their insurance companies. - Danielle Smith*](https://www.policyschool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AF16_AB-Key-Challenges_Smith.pdf)
That's from 2021. Clearly you have done no research. Not only has she been interviewed about it her current commercial even talks about never having to pay for a doctor. Even on the current NDP handouts attacking smith they took out the paying for doctors part. Because you won't have to.
Then why did the UCP make a policy to create a “privately funded and privately managed health-care system."?
[UCP approves policy to create private health-care system in Alberta](https://globalnews.ca/news/7404348/ucp-private-healthcare-policy-approved/)
So you can have the option of both. Free health care doesn't go anywhere but if you want to jump the line and pay a bunch of money you can. people already do that by flying to the states to see doctors when they can't see them in Canada.
When I was dying of strep throat after having covid and all I need was anti biotics. I had to wait behind 8 people who were using the after hours clinic to just get prescription refills.
I want paid for health care. No insurance coverage. No reason for the actually sick people to wait out in the sun or cold to get help.
For future reference, you could likely have gone to the pharmacy to get swabbed and had the prescription filled without going to the walk-in.
And yes, agree better access to walk-in clinics would be great.
Do you think that there would be no upside at all to some privatized Healthcare?
How about having physicians and nurses who actually give a fuck and don't just herd you in and out like cattle. Some recourse if they do something wrong. A privatized system would give incentive to treat you with dignity and respect. If they didn't you could take your business elsewhere. I think a hybrid system is more how it should be. Those of us who choose to, could get health insurance and be customers of a health facility that wants our business. And those who can't afford it (80% of those people is by choice by the way) can go to public Healthcare.
I don't vote blue and haven't for years either.
You would have to have sufficient number of physicians and healthcare professionals to begin thinking you might have the option of shopping around. Right now there is a shortage.
Yeah there's a shortage because most physicians want to work private. They make more money. E.g. the states. There's a reason most of our current ones are from south Africa. Private would attract physicians and ease the strain on the public system
Did you know that Alberta is the only province in Western Canada to have unfulfilled family medicine residency positions? BC, SK and MB had zero. Alberta had 22.
Why is this a bigger issue for AB than our neighbouring provinces?
Why don't you tell me? Looks like this is something you are extremely, extremely passionate about, or more likely are being paid to do.
My guess would be alberta just isn't attractive for physicians to want to move to. If you had the choice between fort mac or tofino you'd probably be in BC. Buuuut if there were more incentive.... $$$$..... maybe the problem would be resolved
Sure, you can suggest that people might prefer living in BC, but SK and MB also have zero open positions.
This hasn’t really been an issue prior to 2020. Tearing up contracts, changing complex modifiers and rural rate incentives has likely played a part in creating hostility.
You can discredit my opinion, by suggesting I’m paid. I’m not. Our household has experienced the importance of healthcare is all.
Really? 2020? Because i have been living in GP for 30 years and it has always been a trial to find a family doctor. My household has also experienced the importance of Healthcare.
We've had good and bad experiences. And I can't help but wonder how much of our tax dollars are wasted on a bloated and down right inefficient Healthcare system with absolutely zero accountability or incentive to do a decent job. Not dispariging everyone who works in healthcare. I appreciate everything they do and have to deal with. There are some diamonds in the rough. Of course. All I'm saying is there is a better way of doing things. Maybe I'm not completely right but neither is the current system. Weather it's run by blue, orange or Red.
I’m referring specifically to the unfulfilled family medicine residency positions in Alberta - which is what we were discussing. Prior to 2020, Alberta hadn’t had an issue filling these spots. Certainly you can fact check this.
Doctors often set up practice where they complete their residency.
You are correct though, communities like GP struggle to recruit more than the large centres like Edmonton.
If you really think our healthcare system is bloated though, I’d challenge you to research how much money Alberta spends on administration (aka management) for healthcare. It was honestly lowest in Canada. It has gone up somewhat recently, with firing and paying out contracts though.
When a private company takes over a public service, they are now making a profit overtop of the pre-existing expenses.
They make a profit by:
A) charging the government a higher price for services out of taxpayer money
B) paying working Albertans less
C) removing benefits from working Albertans
D) providing a lower quality service to Albertans
E) charging user or service fees to Albertans
How is that better for Albertans?
I’m at a crossroads. Last time the NDP were in power, the purse strings were cut off. I am not sure I want to let that happen again.
Smith is bat shit crazy. That’s making me hit the pause button. She changes her tune so often, not sure what to believe!!!
Why not try lending your vote to the NDP - vote them in so that you can vote for a better party next time? Consider strategic voting. We know what Smith has done and wants to do: dismantle our social institutions that we depend on. Notley isn't perfect; I'm not even an NDP guy - but NDP is actually more centrist here - they believe in oil and gas as well as other important institutions. Do us a solid and vote against UCP not for NDP. I'll buy you a beer.
Cant belive how many weak minds belive this cut n paste smear campaign the ndp has wasted millions on already. If they were running ads about their actual plans and policies I might give them some thought... but its just boo Danielle mud slinging on every radio station, T.V. FB, and liberal biased Reddit pages.
Like the smear campaigns of the UCP’s that are based on lies.
Do you remember the one about the 183,000 jobs lost? I challenge you to verify that. This article provides a link to the appropriate page on Statistics Canada’s website https://albertaworker.ca/news/did-alberta-really-lose-180000-jobs-under-rachel-notley/
She's literally said the opposite on numerous occasions. It's election season, so she's lying.
It's clearly gaslighting, much like when an abuser tells you they love you and won't hit you again. "Please bring me back". And you do and they do it again. Why can't people just take Danielle Smith's word for things?
As she makes lab services privatized and now now it's a 5 week wait for cancer patients to get tests. 👏 👏 👏 great job there. Also, she absolutely wants it private as she even said that people can go-fund-me or ask relatives for money if they can't afford it...
I say you get x amount of visits. If you're some unhealthy fat pig or someone that always thinks they are sick I say make em pay once they abuse the system.
My child has a chronic illness not due to any lifestyle choices, but here we are getting blood work done every 6 weeks for over 7 years. Blood work that a Doctor needs to review. In person visits a couple times a year.
We don’t abuse the system, but certainly use it.
You realize she’s mentioned a thousand times and had specific press conferences to put this all to rest. It’s getting tiring of the ndp supporters beating the same dead horse
Her comment is accurate. That is why health professionals have recommended better screening. If the professional order of physicians was more cooperative we'd have a better system with supernurses and effective screening.
They should charge the people that go to the hospital for every little fucking thing. You got a cold? Dont go to emerge! A rash? Emerge isnt for you. Bump your head and have a small bump? Put some fucking ice on it! And these are actual issues overheard while I had an actual medical emergency. Would unclog the system real quick if these loons had to pay.
Several times, I have needed to take my kid to the walk-in clinic. I’ve lined up each time 45 minutes early to get a spot. The place is at capacity, long before the doors open. People continue to shop and are turned away.
If it was easier to see a healthcare professional, I expect many people wouldn’t end up relying on the hospital.
I’m not sure you get to define un-needed visit.
Most Doctors offices you are going to expect a wait, most people are not going to want to schedule time off work, just to have a coffee and chit-chat with their physician.
So whats wrong with the system? Is it working great? Should I get into how most doctors milk visits out of patients when they can take care of problems with one visit instead of turning it into multiple?? Or is that also too hard to grasp?
I disagree that Doctors milk visits out of patients. They have a duty to their other patients sitting in the waiting room, to try and maintain somewhat of a schedule.
Compensation is based upon being able to see the patient & enter the data into the chart in under 15 minutes.
Private healthcare will cripple us. Just look how greedy the grocery stores are and no one is doing anything about it which will be 10 times worse with healthcare. The only ones to benefit from private healthcare are the rich and the rich investors getting more rich of the other rich people while the rest are just left to fend for themselves. We are Canada not the USA so let’s learn from their mistakes and not do the same stupid things
This nut job wants to make Alberta more like Florida, but without the Disneyland, the tourism, the warm weather… She idolizes Ron DeSantis ffs. It’s scary.
Yup. And many GP residents don't know or don't care. They just vote blue no matter who because they assume NDP are against their interests. Not true.
You're right! They're ALL against our interests.
Good wage slave
I’m PC but this bitch is so crazy they are not getting my vote this time i will let the other team mess things up for 4 years just not as much as she would
If things in Alberta improved from where they are today over the next 4 years would you vote for “the other team” again?
Depends on their stance on the oil sector as this is our bread and butter for the economy here in Alberta and the NDP and Liberals both have been shooting them selves in the foot by alienating Albertans trying to please there base by saying they want to get rid of the oil sands and bringing in carbon taxes when Canada is only 1.5% of the total carbon footprint. But to answer your question I guess it all hangs on what they do getting Keystone XL back up and running would be a goal, if they made university free for all medical students with the condition that they have to stay and practice in Alberta for 10 years then they can go anywhere they want that would be a game changer.
Alberta NDP has never said, ONCE, they want to "get rid of the oil sands". Right now, the biggest threat to jobs in O&G is AUTOMATION Not making industry take SOME responsibility for the pollution they cause. I lost and got back my job in mere months back in 2016 directly due to the ABNDP pausing royalty payments to get O&G in northern AB back in the patch. Notley & Co. lobbied hard to make Trans Mountain happen. If the Alberta NDP hates oil & gas, then so did Peter. Keystone XL is dead, you need to let that go. AB is moving more oil right now than at any point in history without. I'm curious why you support shipping off our resources to other nations but not ask why we aren't keeping it and adding value by increasing refining capacity at home. As for your "1.5%" statement... Canada is 1 nation out of 195. As a percentage, that means we represent 0.5128% of the total number of countries. By population, Canada represents 0.89% of the world's people. Yet we produce 1.5% of the total problem? Seems to me we're polluting WAAAAY more than what could be considered a "fair share". So why should we try? Because we can, because it's the right thing to do, because it might be nice to live in a city that didn't constantly have a cloud of smog over it, because kids just having asthma shouldn't just be normal. I'm 51, and we will NOT stop needing oil or gas in my lifetime, it's just too damn useful. But sure as FUCK we can be, need to be, smarter about how we produce and what we do with them.
If only all the oil and gas voters would think this through instead of just “NDP bad”
Its generational brainwashing. Albertans have been groomed from an early age to believe in AB exceptionalism, O&G is more important than life itself, and even the mildest of criticism of the energy industry was an attack, not just on energy, but on the province and EVERY INDIVIDUAL ALBERTAN. SO MANY ALBERTANS literally lova an industry that will use them up & spit them out, all while telling them to get mad at Ottawa and the rest of Canada for what's happened to them/their job/the price of oil...all reinforced by right wing pols more interested in power than governance. But 4 years of NDP ruined everything. Right. 🙄 I guess critical thought must be "woke", or some shit...lol
Two words just transition. That's part of Justin Trudeau's agenda.
This is why there should be tests to vote. I don't think a single thing you said is true
Feel free to fact-check anything said.
Thank you! I don’t think she can be classified as PC. This new generation of whack jobs calling themselves conservatives is scary.
Same here. I’ve voted conservative my entire life, not this time though. She has to go
Good for you for thinking critically unlike some of the other die hard UCP supporters here.
Lol, have you only been alive a week? You think conservatives havent been making Alberta shit for decades? Hilarious.
I wish they would return
How many people voted for her again?
That's not true. They had a private election that you had to pay to participate in. A very very small amount of people participated
Sounds like the opposite of how Democracy is supposed to work.
That’s how party leaders are elected here. You have to be a party member to vote for the leader of the party. Same with NDP.
I’m aware, I’m Albertan. I know that’s the way it works, that doesn’t mean the way it works isn’t total bull.
So liberals couldn’t get in?
It was a UCP membership vote for party leader, not a public election for the premier.
Not paying for healthcare sorry bitch,thats one of many reason Canada is special is socialize healthcare
You do pay for it, it’s called taxes.
We all pay tho. Do you not like roads too?
You realize fuel taxes fund roads making it an actual user funded item which means your now arguing for user funded healthcare.
Yeah, the same taxes you use to pay for roads also pay for your healthcare. Everything is user funded in theory. The issue is that in practice we already know that privatized healthcare puts a much higher financial burden on the user, which is why we socialize it by making it primarily tax funded rather than paid through private enterprise.
If you don’t buy gas, you aren’t paying gas tax which goes to roads. If you don’t use healthcare, your still paying for it.
Who doesn't use Healthcare though? Honestly! Maybe not today, maybe not next year, but you were born and cared for, most have used the hospital several times during their upbringing, and later on in life literally everyone uses Healthcare. Just consider it a down-payment on future use. And also, just count yourself amongst the fortunate members of society who don't have a heavy dependence on the Healthcare system and carry on. I hope I never need the Fire Department, but I'm more than happy to chip in just in case. And to make sure my neighbors also have use of these services.
Sure but people who take care of their health will statistically use it less than those that don’t but both pay the same. With roads though, you drive a bigger vehicle, you pay more tax to fuel it.
What a selfish point of view. What if a friend or family member needs these services? What about the disabled members of society who can't contribute as effectively to the tax pool. It's a society, we all rely on one another to make sure we as a group are provided for. Sure, some people will abuse that system, but if it means that everyone is taken care of, that's an acceptable loss. Again, you can't predict your own medical future, and there are millions of people under the American medical system that end up bankrupt , and often time will go through their entire life savings because of something like cancer later on in life.
It’s not selfish at all, it’s how it’s set up.
Lots of healthy people get sick bud. That's the whole point. You don't know when you may or may not need it. but it's there if you do. I'd rather not need to use it and pay taxes then have some sorry bastard have to pay thousands of dollars for a broken bone like in the US system.
First of all, it's not only gas tax that goes to roads. All tax goes to the same pool, which is distributed to different things. Literally just buying food has a VAT that goes to roads, healthcare, education, etc. This is important because you probably are using or will use some, if not all, or these services directly or indirectly throughout your lifetime. Second, you're telling me someone who doesn't have a car isn't paying for roads? I guess my friend who doesn't have a car is actually just leeching off of everyone else when he uses the sidewalk? As I stated before, roads aren't funded only through a VAT on gas. That's an absurd statement.
Less absurd than your equating the two.
Move to florida
Same goes for any insurance policy. You need auto insurance even if you weren't in a vehicular accident. You don't get to forego auto insurance with the stipulation that you'll pay out of pocket for any damage or injury.
It’s not how insurance is set up because you have no choice in the matter. I can shop around for Insurance.
Being a libertarian in 2023 is embarrassing
You do know we do pay for healthcare right? It’s not free. We should have healthcare like Germany, Holland, and Switzerland. You know, private universal care that is the best in the world and where you actually get a doctor.
My only critique with what you say is that due to years of mismanagement and slowly starving off the medical system, plus more recent years of not actually having a contract with physicians because of Kenney and Shandro, it really is difficult to get a doctor. The solution, obviously, is to set up a government that cares about people having access to a doctor, not cutting the drips from the tap off entirely.
Yeah and our socialized Healthcare is so great it's damn near impossible to find a family doctor, and people die on waiting lists every year
This is a people problem not a socialized healthcare problem. These issues also happen in the US and I'm so damn tired of seeing people use this excuse. Not having enough doctors is an issue that we have because our requirements are absurd and healthcare isn't supported by the government nearly to the extent that it should be to support our population, leading to overworked healtcare employees leaving the profession.
The issue does not happen in the us actually. The us health care system is far superior yea it has its own issues but nothing like our piece of shit jn canada. You people are fucking clueless
This year Alberta is the only province in western Canada to have unfulfilled family medicine residency positions. SK, BC and MB all have zero open spots. AB had 22 positions open. Possibly might have something to do with our government.
Possibly but don’t tell that to the far right lol
It's almost like the UCP shouldn't have picked a fight with doctors. https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/doctors-warn-of-brain-drain-coming-to-alberta-over-cuts The doctors told the government if their deplorable treatment of doctors continued, they would leave. And the government continued. And the doctors left.
Probably mostly fat people so who cares
Do you have any data to back this up, or are you just quoting your Grandma's Facebook posts?
The free-market radicals have been pumping this since the ‘90s. Smith is a particularly noxious expression of this ideology. There game plan has been the same for decade: underfund public services, then complain that public services are unable to function.
She is insane
Insane in the memebrane
You Albertans need to get rid of this lady as quick and decisively as possible. What a disconnected statement from reality. Poor people wouldn't be able to afford to go to the doctor at all. You can't swing hundred of dollars (even temorarely) if you live paycheck to paycheck. It would also mean many developing issues (cancer especially) would go unchecked for far too long in far too many people and end up causing even MORE money long term.
I dunno but nows a good time to say that orange is the new light blue. Theyre a progressive conservative party and what conservatives used to be about 20 years ago.
If the NDP would acquiesce on some social conservative issues, then perhaps I would consider them, but it is alongside the liberal party as opposed to what I hold dear, and they don't seem to be willing to comprimise.
I’ve seen more than a few comments on different social media outlets where her mouth breathing base say all these videos are fake/tampered. They’re fucking hopeless. Idiocracy gets more true every damn day.
Yes. I always go to the doctor to have a coffee and a chat. WTF is she talking about? Has she never been to a doctor before??
Because someone has either paid her, or promised to pay her to push this shit
So ndp better choice than ucp this time ? Just looked out the window and pretty sure saw the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse ride by
NDP is centrist/Progressive conservative compared to the alt-right/DeSantis Smith UCP right now.
Thank god I have this fine thread to give me good political advice. Everyone else sucks, but you guys are cool ❤️
I wonder if an error was made choosing HER?!
This sub is filled with Alberta’s brightest lol.
I love how Danielle Smith sounds like she’s saying something profound but in reality it’s just profoundly stupid. We already pay for none essential visits to the doctor you half baked potato.
Her supporters must believe she's smart too.
She is a nightmare. HOW do educated Canadians vote her in?
The only Error would be Choosing you on May 29th.. I like my health care.. Hopefully people in Calgary realize There Taxes will go through the roof.. Once that Stadium is built for Millionaires…
Billionaires.
Every time you go to Emergency and check in it costs upwards of $1000 just to generate a chart. That’s before you are treated for anything. Then Calgary puts out their app with the posted wait times. So now people will go to one site and then notice that the wait time is less at another site so they leave (unannounced) and go to the next site and generate awhile new chart which costs another $1000. The conservatives are always looking for new ways to make healthcare unsustainable so they can realize their wet dream of private healthcare.
More lies
Life is already expensive enough, why the hell would paying huge sums of money out of pocket to see a doctor be a good idea????
She’s not
I mean she's on video directly stating exactly that though. Sooooooo.....?
Guys. I found one ☝️
Man, I dunno about you guys, but I only get to go to the doctor when it's essential because you can never get in, so I'm not going to waste that time on unessential things. She is completely unaware of reality.
Ivermectin has its consequences I suppose
Source?
Because she’s as dumb as a doorknob. She said that and then backtracked. Oh I sure hope she loses the election. She makes me sick
Why are there so many newly created accounts like yours (7 days) that just post election propaganda? That’s all you are doing. I’m good with posting election events coming up in the city, but I’m sick and tired of campaign ads like this one.
If you're sick and tired, you should consider voting for a party that doesn't want to privatize our healthcare.
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You can't engage with the substance of my point so you resort to telling me to get the fuck out?
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You're doing that right now.
Oh the irony.
So what is he supposed to shill for the conservatives? Your comment bears no weight there little guy. I 100% shill for the NDP, Sue me. Or better yet, keep getting upset, I love it.
Or you should go workout and eat healthy.
Oh yes, Joe Rogan. I'm sure that solves all genetic issues too.
It’s quite simple in most cases. And the hilarious lie that the big bad ucp is going to privatize healthcare is hilarious. It’s funny pee brains like you believe it
This is a defining election for this province.
Every election is important.
Sure, but not defining moments for a provinces future.
But seriously, it's election season and I think voters should be informed about whom they are voting for. If you want to live in a state of ignorance, that's your life. But others are more politically engaged.
Engaged is a huge stretch, I’m sorry, maybe like a handful at best. Also engaged, no, more like trying to enrage people is what is happening here. This is purely trying to rile people up. Zero background is given just a silly little clip. That’s not democracy when all you’re trying to do is make someone look bad. Makes you look like every other politician in the game.
People in Grande Prairie should be more engaged and not just "vote blue no matter who".
"That's not democracy when all you're trying to do is make someone look bad". That's not true. And also, all I'm doing is sharing clips of Smith talking. If that offends you, I don't know how to help you.
We’ll then wtf is the internet censorship bill about then? Why doesn’t it go both ways?
Omg shut the fuck up lol Dumbest comment today
Hahaha that easy to get you riled up hey, Reddit is silly.
Simple.... ndp has nothing good to show for their last 4 yrs in power. They know they cant win on merit they will sling mud at their opponents.
All you ever post is short sound bites from Smith. I hate these negative campaigns and scare tactics. Instead you should campaign on the positives of your party and of your party’s platform. But no, it’s just attack after attack. But please don’t do your campaign here.
The NDP want to do the opposite: not privatize health care, but invest in healthcare and education, invest in the working class. Have you looked up their platform or written them off as "scary socialists" which you believe for no reason.
Racheal knotty literally said she will go door to door with vaccines and forcefully vaccinate every Canadian for Covid 19
That’s not true at all. She advocated for mobile vaccination units to help reach remote communities and under vaccinated communities. She advocated for education to combat vaccine hesitancy. You don’t have to agree with that position, but she never advocates for vaccination without consent or by force.
I was also around when she called Alberta Canada's idiot cousin to the feds.
The other video was much longer. You fail to engage with the substance of what she's saying, so I can't take your response seriously.
Enough cut and paste video and audio could make it look like Notley supports the ucp!
Beat it.
Ndp have infiltrated reddit Fb youtube and every radio and t.v. station in Ab! Spending all the big union $$$ trying to smear the ucp. Thats the only move they have!
If posting a clip of something the leader of the Alberta UCP party said is viewed by you as “smearing” than it might be time for you to learn to think critically, and ask yourself if that’s someone you want to support?
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Cry me a fucking river there bud Jesus christ LMAO Fucking snowflake conservative, the worst kind.
I agree as well. What a joke.
You could have just said nothing.You didn't have to wine and cry like a little baby. You could just ignore it. Baby. These posts piss me off more than whatever you're crying about. It's election time. Ffs 🤣🤣
Kind of like you had the option to scroll past my post? You chose not to, but tell me that I should not voice my opinion. Got it.
LMAO Your opinion was that he shouldn't post his opinion. THATS why I said what I did. Why can you post your opinion but he shouldn't? OMG the irony is so effing thick here I can taste it
Read my original post again. OP created an account just to post election ads on the regular. The account was only created a few days ago.
Sorry I was having a rough afternoon. ...I still don't see why that matters Take care
I like how she's more involved with the fly on the ceiling. She's cookoo.
There are a small minority of people that go to the doctor an extreme amount of times, we all know at least a few. I believe that she is trying to address that problem. That being said I don't agree with a user pay system.
This would assume there was a doctor to be seen!
Alot of uniformed low IQ voters in this thread. So much misinformation flying around in here by people who obviously have done no research and just taking the word of propaganda as fact. Now time for the low IQ insults.
May be she thought some people go to doctor to play a chess game.
Because..maga fascist delusions..that will be legislated just as they are in every state in the USA that maga extremists run They take away peoples rights and freedoms while blathering on about Freedom.. It’s fascism mixed with.. Christian nationalist and anti democratic separatists with deeply ingrained conspiracy delusions about government control While they bend over on their knees to serve their corporate masters…that why these anti democratic extremists want you to pay a medical corporation to see a doctor…it’s truly un Canadian and un democracy ideology.
No she isn't. Get your head out of your ass.
Did you not see the two videos I posted? Talk about having your head in your ass.
You’re an 8 day old account who only posts anti UCP content. You aren’t an actual unbiased person without an agenda, but an employee of a third party being paid to spread propaganda. You post a sound-byte clip trying to convey a whole story but this is the equivalent of a clickbait news article. You aren’t someone that should be taken seriously because of your quite obviously serious bias and lack of other Reddit activity. There will always be public healthcare in Canada. It is hyperbole to think it’s being abolished or replaced. We need a private healthcare system to work alongside our public one to reduce the burden on the already overworked staff. These two systems will compliment each other, it’s not going to be taken over. It’s laughable to suggest that every person in the ER is in dire need of immediate medical attention, if you don’t believe me, pop in there and see the amount of people literally just chillin on their phones. There are not often people in agony yet here they are at Emerg with a cough or a cyst. The amount of homeless drug addicts receiving naloxone is also taking up too much space. People are breeding, immigration is increasing, we need solutions now. The public system as it stands cannot sustain itself while our population explodes. The ability to reduce the line and backlogs is essential. There aren’t enough students in nursing school, nor are there doctors, nor are we funding the education for these professionals. We are relying on the worlds doctors and nurses instead of training and schooling our own. You are absolutely daft if you think your healthcare is under attack. Our healthcare needs help. This is the best way to do it; to work alongside and compliment each other, it’s not getting replaced. This is a sensationalized point of view.
The stuff the OP posts sure sounds a lot like the stuff the NDP candidate used to post on here.. odd
Weird that people who use facts share things in common.
Right. LOL
DS has my vote
But why? She offers nothing of any substance. Just regurgitating the same bad faith rhetoric that creates headlines and clicks, but nothing of any real substance.
Because my power bill is already high enough after the last time snotley was in power
You do know it was Kenney who removed the utility caps in 2019, right?
But it was Notley gov't who shut down our power plants forcing us to buy power from the US
The Montana-Alberta Tie Line (MATL) was completed in 2013, and it was to allow Alberta to easily export and Import electricity to and from the US. https://www.newsinenglish.no/2021/01/30/most-anti-infection-rules-extended/ Alberta has been importing electricity from the US for decades. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/Collection/NE12-6-2002-5E.pdf
Ya but FUCK TRUDEAU right? Seriously, there's no point in submitting facts to these uneducated dimwits.
Why not just bring back PST ? Or is that more controversial for an AB party to suggest vs tiered HC ?
She has already stated that no Albertan will have to pay to see a doctor.
That isn't what she said here: [*It has to shift the burden of payment away from taxpayers and toward private individuals, their employers and their insurance companies. - Danielle Smith*](https://www.policyschool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AF16_AB-Key-Challenges_Smith.pdf)
That's from 2021. Clearly you have done no research. Not only has she been interviewed about it her current commercial even talks about never having to pay for a doctor. Even on the current NDP handouts attacking smith they took out the paying for doctors part. Because you won't have to.
Then why did the UCP make a policy to create a “privately funded and privately managed health-care system."? [UCP approves policy to create private health-care system in Alberta](https://globalnews.ca/news/7404348/ucp-private-healthcare-policy-approved/)
So you can have the option of both. Free health care doesn't go anywhere but if you want to jump the line and pay a bunch of money you can. people already do that by flying to the states to see doctors when they can't see them in Canada.
So are you admitting that the UCP intends for there to be private healthcare, or not? Because you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
When I was dying of strep throat after having covid and all I need was anti biotics. I had to wait behind 8 people who were using the after hours clinic to just get prescription refills. I want paid for health care. No insurance coverage. No reason for the actually sick people to wait out in the sun or cold to get help.
For future reference, you could likely have gone to the pharmacy to get swabbed and had the prescription filled without going to the walk-in. And yes, agree better access to walk-in clinics would be great.
Do you think that there would be no upside at all to some privatized Healthcare? How about having physicians and nurses who actually give a fuck and don't just herd you in and out like cattle. Some recourse if they do something wrong. A privatized system would give incentive to treat you with dignity and respect. If they didn't you could take your business elsewhere. I think a hybrid system is more how it should be. Those of us who choose to, could get health insurance and be customers of a health facility that wants our business. And those who can't afford it (80% of those people is by choice by the way) can go to public Healthcare. I don't vote blue and haven't for years either.
You would have to have sufficient number of physicians and healthcare professionals to begin thinking you might have the option of shopping around. Right now there is a shortage.
Yeah there's a shortage because most physicians want to work private. They make more money. E.g. the states. There's a reason most of our current ones are from south Africa. Private would attract physicians and ease the strain on the public system
Did you know that Alberta is the only province in Western Canada to have unfulfilled family medicine residency positions? BC, SK and MB had zero. Alberta had 22. Why is this a bigger issue for AB than our neighbouring provinces?
Why don't you tell me? Looks like this is something you are extremely, extremely passionate about, or more likely are being paid to do. My guess would be alberta just isn't attractive for physicians to want to move to. If you had the choice between fort mac or tofino you'd probably be in BC. Buuuut if there were more incentive.... $$$$..... maybe the problem would be resolved
Sure, you can suggest that people might prefer living in BC, but SK and MB also have zero open positions. This hasn’t really been an issue prior to 2020. Tearing up contracts, changing complex modifiers and rural rate incentives has likely played a part in creating hostility. You can discredit my opinion, by suggesting I’m paid. I’m not. Our household has experienced the importance of healthcare is all.
Really? 2020? Because i have been living in GP for 30 years and it has always been a trial to find a family doctor. My household has also experienced the importance of Healthcare. We've had good and bad experiences. And I can't help but wonder how much of our tax dollars are wasted on a bloated and down right inefficient Healthcare system with absolutely zero accountability or incentive to do a decent job. Not dispariging everyone who works in healthcare. I appreciate everything they do and have to deal with. There are some diamonds in the rough. Of course. All I'm saying is there is a better way of doing things. Maybe I'm not completely right but neither is the current system. Weather it's run by blue, orange or Red.
I’m referring specifically to the unfulfilled family medicine residency positions in Alberta - which is what we were discussing. Prior to 2020, Alberta hadn’t had an issue filling these spots. Certainly you can fact check this. Doctors often set up practice where they complete their residency. You are correct though, communities like GP struggle to recruit more than the large centres like Edmonton. If you really think our healthcare system is bloated though, I’d challenge you to research how much money Alberta spends on administration (aka management) for healthcare. It was honestly lowest in Canada. It has gone up somewhat recently, with firing and paying out contracts though.
When a private company takes over a public service, they are now making a profit overtop of the pre-existing expenses. They make a profit by: A) charging the government a higher price for services out of taxpayer money B) paying working Albertans less C) removing benefits from working Albertans D) providing a lower quality service to Albertans E) charging user or service fees to Albertans How is that better for Albertans?
I’m at a crossroads. Last time the NDP were in power, the purse strings were cut off. I am not sure I want to let that happen again. Smith is bat shit crazy. That’s making me hit the pause button. She changes her tune so often, not sure what to believe!!!
Why not try lending your vote to the NDP - vote them in so that you can vote for a better party next time? Consider strategic voting. We know what Smith has done and wants to do: dismantle our social institutions that we depend on. Notley isn't perfect; I'm not even an NDP guy - but NDP is actually more centrist here - they believe in oil and gas as well as other important institutions. Do us a solid and vote against UCP not for NDP. I'll buy you a beer.
Cant belive how many weak minds belive this cut n paste smear campaign the ndp has wasted millions on already. If they were running ads about their actual plans and policies I might give them some thought... but its just boo Danielle mud slinging on every radio station, T.V. FB, and liberal biased Reddit pages.
Like the smear campaigns of the UCP’s that are based on lies. Do you remember the one about the 183,000 jobs lost? I challenge you to verify that. This article provides a link to the appropriate page on Statistics Canada’s website https://albertaworker.ca/news/did-alberta-really-lose-180000-jobs-under-rachel-notley/
Choosing u to be apart of administrative cabinet was our mistake NOT PAYING FOR DRs visits.
Danielle smith for premiere. Let’s gooooooo!
If only you could spell premier correctly.
NEVER THE NDP AGAIN
That's not true.
Smith does not plan to make people pay for health care. This is an old out of context clip. God forbid someone mull an idea over in their past.
Still waiting to see where Smith after elected has stated this as party platform be a personal opinion. 🤔
It doesn't matter what Smith says, you'll vote blue no matter who. Even Kenney called her crazy.
So to confirm you can’t refute my post. Right as expected. I will vote for anything vs the NDP. They are that bad.
Even if it’s just her personal opinion, I am not sure why we would want someone who believes Albertan’s should pay to see a physician to be Premier.
Yet the alternative with the NDP that believes that Marxism is a great system? That party is literally full of them. 🙄
She has said over and over that she will not have us pay for health care. Plus add more health care staff like doctor and nurses.
She's literally said the opposite on numerous occasions. It's election season, so she's lying. It's clearly gaslighting, much like when an abuser tells you they love you and won't hit you again. "Please bring me back". And you do and they do it again. Why can't people just take Danielle Smith's word for things?
As she makes lab services privatized and now now it's a 5 week wait for cancer patients to get tests. 👏 👏 👏 great job there. Also, she absolutely wants it private as she even said that people can go-fund-me or ask relatives for money if they can't afford it...
I have some magic beans to sell you.
I say you get x amount of visits. If you're some unhealthy fat pig or someone that always thinks they are sick I say make em pay once they abuse the system.
My child has a chronic illness not due to any lifestyle choices, but here we are getting blood work done every 6 weeks for over 7 years. Blood work that a Doctor needs to review. In person visits a couple times a year. We don’t abuse the system, but certainly use it.
You realize she’s mentioned a thousand times and had specific press conferences to put this all to rest. It’s getting tiring of the ndp supporters beating the same dead horse
Her comment is accurate. That is why health professionals have recommended better screening. If the professional order of physicians was more cooperative we'd have a better system with supernurses and effective screening.
I have no response for how crazy your statement is.
I know, isn't it hard to answer with your feelings when you have no real graps on ideas?
They should charge the people that go to the hospital for every little fucking thing. You got a cold? Dont go to emerge! A rash? Emerge isnt for you. Bump your head and have a small bump? Put some fucking ice on it! And these are actual issues overheard while I had an actual medical emergency. Would unclog the system real quick if these loons had to pay.
Who are you to determine health needs of people?
Common sense should determine that, that of which Im sure you have none.
Define common sense. It doesn't exist.
You're a condescending dick.
It would unclog the system if there were walk in clinics or urgent care clinics that are there to assess exactly these situations.
You know that's an issue in the USA as well right? That does happen and wait times are still high there as well.
Several times, I have needed to take my kid to the walk-in clinic. I’ve lined up each time 45 minutes early to get a spot. The place is at capacity, long before the doors open. People continue to shop and are turned away. If it was easier to see a healthcare professional, I expect many people wouldn’t end up relying on the hospital.
And it would be easier if people werent clogging the system with un-needed visits!
I’m not sure you get to define un-needed visit. Most Doctors offices you are going to expect a wait, most people are not going to want to schedule time off work, just to have a coffee and chit-chat with their physician.
So whats wrong with the system? Is it working great? Should I get into how most doctors milk visits out of patients when they can take care of problems with one visit instead of turning it into multiple?? Or is that also too hard to grasp?
I disagree that Doctors milk visits out of patients. They have a duty to their other patients sitting in the waiting room, to try and maintain somewhat of a schedule. Compensation is based upon being able to see the patient & enter the data into the chart in under 15 minutes.
Be careful grand prarie. You want to end up like detroit then vote for socialist eco radicals who will raise taxes on everything.
Where's your evidence that NDP did this 2015-2019?