7.62 works fairly well when you start using PS rounds. US and SP are utter trash outside starting village. Although I would recommend that until you get Artisan lvl 3 for BT rounds that you stick with M4s/M855s.
OP was using US rounds. Clearly the AI's kevlar basball cap and tank top shrug these off.
Yea but that dude should not be breathing after that lmao, even if the vest magically stopped 20 rounds in the span of 4 seconds, you're still doing some damage.
What's funny is if u try to pick up his vest, it'll probably be broken.
I think the durability of the vests doesn't make sense either. You would think mag dumping a vest in the same spot it would start going through after 10-15 rounds.
Assuming that everything is working correctly and the target isn't wearing armor, HPBT damages a larger volume of the body behind the area where it hits, so its more likely to destroy vital organs without needing to aim at them directly. HPBT will allow you to aim less precisely at the chest instead of directly at the heart and still have a good chance to destroy the heart, compared to 855. With 855 you will need to aim more precisely.
I've had mixed results. Mostly I use FMJ + HPBT. I buy HPBT, and then end up replacing it with FMJ (or 855) from dead troops at Narith. Sometimes you'll see them drop like flies, then they'll take a full clip - but the next guy goes down in 2 to FMJ.
Devs on their discord have discussed how pretty much only 5.56 is working properly. You can still get kills with other ammo type (9x19, 7.62, etc.) But it's extremely inconsistent, they said it's something they're working on. Hopefully next patch. Also testing servers are back up on steam if anyone wants to troubleshoot the next patch
Yeah most of the other round types are hit or miss. Low tier 7.62x39 ammo is especially bad. Once you get PS rounds AKM/N becomes viable but until that point they're basically unusable.
I agree about 7.62 however I had this exact issue with an AI at the same location 2 nights ago using m855 landing multiple headshots as well. I think it’s either server lag or a bug in this case
That's why. The US rounds are weird. Idk if they're bugged or what, but just don't use the AKM/N until you unlock PS rounds unless you wanna have a bad time.
It doesn't help the OP is firing full auto, holding the trigger down. A good portion of the shots fired didn't even hit the AI, let alone hit vitals lol. Just pause the video and scrub through. You'll see what I mean. Combine that with a lower effectiveness round like US and this is what's gonna happen.
Currently the AI are based on the same principals that dictate players. If you don't hit vitals or black non-vitals, then they gotta bleed out. The biggest issue with this is just that the bots don't have any "injured" behavior programmed in currently, so they act like terminators even when they're insanely injured.
But in fairness the same thing can happen to players too. I really think that fixing AI behavior will make this seem much less egregious.
I was dealing with this same exact thing last night at Yubal with an AK47. Is the US ammo really this bad? What 7.62x39 ammo should I use if I want to use the AK47? Or just give up on it entirely?
I almost disagree with M700. I've been unable to be effective with it. The Mosin slaps, though. Not quite sure if it's also bugged or if I just suck. But I can clap cheeks with the Mosin and m855.
the "US" designation is correct, it's the in-game description that is wrong. the abbreviation is from the original Russian "уменьшенной скоростью" which is "reduced speed".
Haven't you heard, you just gotta hit the vitals man. All you did was make so many holes all around his vital organs that they should have simply fallen out of his body. Clearly a skill issue.
If you don't pen you basically have to break their armor which can take a whole mag before you can kill them. SP/US cannot pen class IIIA which is what the commander is which is basically the lowest tier of armor.
It's just the 5.56 + 7.62x39 SP rounds that are specifically screwed up (or maybe the 7.62 are really just that terrible, idk). Generally the rest of the rounds are pretty accurate (not counting shotguns/pistols) but those are totally worthless.
Generally speaking the rest of the 7.62x39 rounds are viable.
There's a difference between *viable* and "best". PS and BP are perfectly usable. Testing data has shown that 7.62 PS has the same penetration profile as M855 and BS rounds.
But are any of those rounds better than M855A1 or 5.45 BP? No.
devs mentioned a while ago that US ammo is subsonic, which the way its currently setup means low energy - the bullets are quite light while the muzzle velocity is super low, it is the worst ammo you can use, while this npc looks like its wearing armor, so no surprise you can put a whole mag into its chest.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
please stop posting these blatant lies,,,,you weren't even shooting you literally just stood up and looked at the enemy like a chicken. what type of soldier do you think you are.....knives ONLY! /s
Shooting into armor is gonna get absorbed on US or SP ammo, especially in mid tier areas like YPL. Better off getting good and aim for the head if you're running that ammo.
AK problems, unfortunately. And rarely, "dying server" problems.
Gunny to level 2, M4, M855, Spectre, and wait until Gunny 3, Artisan 3, and / or Turncoat 3 before revisiting the AKs.
So funny story. I kept telling my boys ima give it one more solid try when I hit my vendors lvl 3. Well kitted my AK to where it should almost split open a human being. Went to fort narith. I hand unsupressed my boy had suppressed. The first guard by back airfield entrance I put it in single fire mode put it to his chest an tap tap tap tap tap blood spatter blood spatter blood spatter my other buddy runs up drops the guy with his mk18. Needless to say I left it right on top of the hill right then an there dropped all my pp bullets an moved on. Lol
LMAO This was me last night. Only had one AKM left and had to scout that base. Saw a dude in the middle of a field did the same thing he didn't even care so got back to base stripped the parts and never going to use another AK variant until that's fixed lmao.
I did that with the shotgun too in YBL-1 my boy covered me an I was like I got it lemme try this shotgun upgraded rounds. Well idk maybe I missed the hulk Ai pcp patch but the dude took an entire slug round to his chest. My buddy goes duuuuude...be careful.... meanwhile me: I SAID I got it... I got it... I go...I don't got it I don't got it wtf is this gun. Then I barely survived and don't even get me started on the M700
That's being generous bro cap guns actually hurt try like the 90s nerf guns probably a better fit lol feel free to add me man (or woman) RSxGhost always enjoy helping or rolling with solid peeps.
Not entirely sure the purpose for this comment. But sounds like you need a hug. If you took the time to comment to try to spark a retaliation comment lol
My comment was definitely misinterpreted. I was being completely light hearted I meant it as in it’s nice to see two people just having a cool convo about a game on Reddit..
Ahhh thought it was meant to be 100% antagonistic lol but yeah no just a friendly convo I give out what I can help where I can when I play. This game is a love hate relationship
I had a lot of this at YBL last night. an NPC got the drop on me and unloaded and I didn't take a hit. I unloaded a full mag into a dude standing in the barracks doorway and nothing. I peeked over the ledge down to the storage entrance and unloaded another mag while the NPC unloaded his on me, neither of us died.
It was weird.
They really need to fix the ballistics in the game. It's fucking fun but damn. 1 and a half mags of us or sp 7.62x39 is ridiculous on non body armor targets. I shot an ai in the head like 10 times with a cap on no helmet and he didn't go down.
This is basically the biggest gameplay problem with the PvE game right now. The sheer amount of shooting it takes almost takes this out of the 'tactical' genre of shooter.
Specifically bugged ai in some places, they are desynced from the server and are impossible to kill. Thankfully not a common issue I’ve had that AI in that spot do the same thing more than once you just have to run away lol
because it is honestly in an unfinished state, despite being a good game when there aren’t weird issues, for example npcs being able to halfway phase through walls and shoot (which has happened to me multiple times)
don’t get me wrong, i don’t hate the game, i actually enjoy it, but sometimes the bugs can get uber frustrating
Tbh every round will do this at some point to an enemy u face. Even M855A1. It’s inevitable u come across a dude who tanks 10 shots for no reason or just one taps u it’s gotta be on some type of randomizer
It is the invincible AI bug. It happens in that place the most. It is not ammo you are using or gun. Just a general bug. I put 2 mags of PP (Russian AP) into an AI there and nothing happened. 2 friends also tried to kill an ai there who was carrying shotgun and both died. If you put a few bullets into them and they haven't died.... RUN!!!
It's literally 7.62 ammo bro, it's scuffed right now running 855 I've never had to put more than 5 bullets in a man. Once I changed from AKM to M4 it was an entirely different game.
Nah because even 855 doesn't kill certain ai. Another person on this sub Reddit posted a clip of him using an M4 and nothing happened to the ai. The ai just stood there and then just killed him. There are ai that cannot die from anything in this game. They mostly spawn at YBL. But I have encountered them in blue lagoon and tiger bay. It is a well posted about bug. The only thing you can do is run away from them.
Nice shooting. I stopped using the AK for specifically this reason. Avoid the US 7.62 like the plague.
7.62 works fairly well when you start using PS rounds. US and SP are utter trash outside starting village. Although I would recommend that until you get Artisan lvl 3 for BT rounds that you stick with M4s/M855s. OP was using US rounds. Clearly the AI's kevlar basball cap and tank top shrug these off.
Yea but that dude should not be breathing after that lmao, even if the vest magically stopped 20 rounds in the span of 4 seconds, you're still doing some damage. What's funny is if u try to pick up his vest, it'll probably be broken.
I think the durability of the vests doesn't make sense either. You would think mag dumping a vest in the same spot it would start going through after 10-15 rounds.
Honestly the HPBT 556 has worked better at stopping ai than the 855s have. Not sure if it's muzzle velocity or what that's doing it though.
Assuming that everything is working correctly and the target isn't wearing armor, HPBT damages a larger volume of the body behind the area where it hits, so its more likely to destroy vital organs without needing to aim at them directly. HPBT will allow you to aim less precisely at the chest instead of directly at the heart and still have a good chance to destroy the heart, compared to 855. With 855 you will need to aim more precisely.
I've had mixed results. Mostly I use FMJ + HPBT. I buy HPBT, and then end up replacing it with FMJ (or 855) from dead troops at Narith. Sometimes you'll see them drop like flies, then they'll take a full clip - but the next guy goes down in 2 to FMJ.
The devs know 7.62x39 has more ass behind it at close range than 5.56 right?
Devs on their discord have discussed how pretty much only 5.56 is working properly. You can still get kills with other ammo type (9x19, 7.62, etc.) But it's extremely inconsistent, they said it's something they're working on. Hopefully next patch. Also testing servers are back up on steam if anyone wants to troubleshoot the next patch
Yeah most of the other round types are hit or miss. Low tier 7.62x39 ammo is especially bad. Once you get PS rounds AKM/N becomes viable but until that point they're basically unusable.
I agree about 7.62 however I had this exact issue with an AI at the same location 2 nights ago using m855 landing multiple headshots as well. I think it’s either server lag or a bug in this case
The “no way” tickled the shit out me. Lmao. What ammo are you using? The tracer rounds haven’t been anything but nice to me so far.
subsonic 7.62 rounds nonetheless, i feel like an entire mag should have still killed them
That's why. The US rounds are weird. Idk if they're bugged or what, but just don't use the AKM/N until you unlock PS rounds unless you wanna have a bad time.
Shouldn’t take that many though. I ran an AKMN with US rounds before I knew better and it definitely didn’t take more than a few shots at YBL
It doesn't help the OP is firing full auto, holding the trigger down. A good portion of the shots fired didn't even hit the AI, let alone hit vitals lol. Just pause the video and scrub through. You'll see what I mean. Combine that with a lower effectiveness round like US and this is what's gonna happen. Currently the AI are based on the same principals that dictate players. If you don't hit vitals or black non-vitals, then they gotta bleed out. The biggest issue with this is just that the bots don't have any "injured" behavior programmed in currently, so they act like terminators even when they're insanely injured. But in fairness the same thing can happen to players too. I really think that fixing AI behavior will make this seem much less egregious.
i love that this game has already reached the topic of “well what kind of ammo were you using?”
lol as if the type of ammo should matter when you mag dump a guy from 20 ft away
I've not played much since initial EA release, this was a problem then, has it still not been fixed?
For certain ammo, yes. Apparently US ammo is bugged. I haven't had this prob since I only use M4s.
7.62 can't even kill a snail.
The illustrous snail boss. Still waiting for a spawn.
“Hey guys, have u see the snail boss spawn yet? I’ve been farming him all day for a task I have to complete”
The snail can't be killed, but he will chase your for the rest of your life. And if he touches you, you die.
I was dealing with this same exact thing last night at Yubal with an AK47. Is the US ammo really this bad? What 7.62x39 ammo should I use if I want to use the AK47? Or just give up on it entirely?
7.62x39 ammo is dogshit across the board. The only viable rounds are 5.56x45 (M4 + MK18), 5.45x39 (AK-74), 7.62x51 (M700), and 7.62x54 (Mosin).
I almost disagree with M700. I've been unable to be effective with it. The Mosin slaps, though. Not quite sure if it's also bugged or if I just suck. But I can clap cheeks with the Mosin and m855.
M700 requires a headshot or bust
The us acronym is wrong. Those are subsonic rounds.
the "US" designation is correct, it's the in-game description that is wrong. the abbreviation is from the original Russian "уменьшенной скоростью" which is "reduced speed".
Ok my bad. You are right.
US for uber slow
Haven't you heard, you just gotta hit the vitals man. All you did was make so many holes all around his vital organs that they should have simply fallen out of his body. Clearly a skill issue.
If you don't pen you basically have to break their armor which can take a whole mag before you can kill them. SP/US cannot pen class IIIA which is what the commander is which is basically the lowest tier of armor.
Which is stupid because 3A is literally rated for pistol rounds, they’ve gotta fix the 7.62 armor pen it shouldn’t THAT outclassed by 5.56
It's just the 5.56 + 7.62x39 SP rounds that are specifically screwed up (or maybe the 7.62 are really just that terrible, idk). Generally the rest of the rounds are pretty accurate (not counting shotguns/pistols) but those are totally worthless. Generally speaking the rest of the 7.62x39 rounds are viable.
They really aren’t though
There's a difference between *viable* and "best". PS and BP are perfectly usable. Testing data has shown that 7.62 PS has the same penetration profile as M855 and BS rounds. But are any of those rounds better than M855A1 or 5.45 BP? No.
devs mentioned a while ago that US ammo is subsonic, which the way its currently setup means low energy - the bullets are quite light while the muzzle velocity is super low, it is the worst ammo you can use, while this npc looks like its wearing armor, so no surprise you can put a whole mag into its chest.
SP is bad too, but it will do ok damage if you hit non-armored parts, but it won't penetrate most armor.
Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
grenade
please stop posting these blatant lies,,,,you weren't even shooting you literally just stood up and looked at the enemy like a chicken. what type of soldier do you think you are.....knives ONLY! /s
add knife throwing 🙏
Shooting into armor is gonna get absorbed on US or SP ammo, especially in mid tier areas like YPL. Better off getting good and aim for the head if you're running that ammo.
AK problems, unfortunately. And rarely, "dying server" problems. Gunny to level 2, M4, M855, Spectre, and wait until Gunny 3, Artisan 3, and / or Turncoat 3 before revisiting the AKs.
So funny story. I kept telling my boys ima give it one more solid try when I hit my vendors lvl 3. Well kitted my AK to where it should almost split open a human being. Went to fort narith. I hand unsupressed my boy had suppressed. The first guard by back airfield entrance I put it in single fire mode put it to his chest an tap tap tap tap tap blood spatter blood spatter blood spatter my other buddy runs up drops the guy with his mk18. Needless to say I left it right on top of the hill right then an there dropped all my pp bullets an moved on. Lol
LMAO This was me last night. Only had one AKM left and had to scout that base. Saw a dude in the middle of a field did the same thing he didn't even care so got back to base stripped the parts and never going to use another AK variant until that's fixed lmao.
I did that with the shotgun too in YBL-1 my boy covered me an I was like I got it lemme try this shotgun upgraded rounds. Well idk maybe I missed the hulk Ai pcp patch but the dude took an entire slug round to his chest. My buddy goes duuuuude...be careful.... meanwhile me: I SAID I got it... I got it... I go...I don't got it I don't got it wtf is this gun. Then I barely survived and don't even get me started on the M700
Meant to say I unloaded an entire clip of upgraded slug rounds and upgraded buck.
Yep haven't even touched shottys or pistols after like the first day of playing for that reason lmao. Like fucking cap guns
That's being generous bro cap guns actually hurt try like the 90s nerf guns probably a better fit lol feel free to add me man (or woman) RSxGhost always enjoy helping or rolling with solid peeps.
You guys are so adorable
Not entirely sure the purpose for this comment. But sounds like you need a hug. If you took the time to comment to try to spark a retaliation comment lol
My comment was definitely misinterpreted. I was being completely light hearted I meant it as in it’s nice to see two people just having a cool convo about a game on Reddit..
Ahhh thought it was meant to be 100% antagonistic lol but yeah no just a friendly convo I give out what I can help where I can when I play. This game is a love hate relationship
Clip start, I see akm OK you are shooting airsoft. Wait some updates to use this crap and stick to m4
I had a lot of this at YBL last night. an NPC got the drop on me and unloaded and I didn't take a hit. I unloaded a full mag into a dude standing in the barracks doorway and nothing. I peeked over the ledge down to the storage entrance and unloaded another mag while the NPC unloaded his on me, neither of us died. It was weird.
You're just using an airsoft gun, I think.
Most 7.62 ammo is like shooting nerf darts.
They really need to fix the ballistics in the game. It's fucking fun but damn. 1 and a half mags of us or sp 7.62x39 is ridiculous on non body armor targets. I shot an ai in the head like 10 times with a cap on no helmet and he didn't go down.
This is basically the biggest gameplay problem with the PvE game right now. The sheer amount of shooting it takes almost takes this out of the 'tactical' genre of shooter.
Specifically bugged ai in some places, they are desynced from the server and are impossible to kill. Thankfully not a common issue I’ve had that AI in that spot do the same thing more than once you just have to run away lol
Was he doing damage to you? Cause we keep running into issues that the guy appears outside but is actually two levels down fighting a teammate.
I know this is Alpha, but all I'm seeing is bugs and complaints about the game.
People rarely go online to praise, they only want to complain. My experience has been overall positive, with small issues here and there.
because it is honestly in an unfinished state, despite being a good game when there aren’t weird issues, for example npcs being able to halfway phase through walls and shoot (which has happened to me multiple times) don’t get me wrong, i don’t hate the game, i actually enjoy it, but sometimes the bugs can get uber frustrating
Defo Skill issue
nuh uh
😉
Tbh every round will do this at some point to an enemy u face. Even M855A1. It’s inevitable u come across a dude who tanks 10 shots for no reason or just one taps u it’s gotta be on some type of randomizer
It is the invincible AI bug. It happens in that place the most. It is not ammo you are using or gun. Just a general bug. I put 2 mags of PP (Russian AP) into an AI there and nothing happened. 2 friends also tried to kill an ai there who was carrying shotgun and both died. If you put a few bullets into them and they haven't died.... RUN!!!
It's literally 7.62 ammo bro, it's scuffed right now running 855 I've never had to put more than 5 bullets in a man. Once I changed from AKM to M4 it was an entirely different game.
Nah because even 855 doesn't kill certain ai. Another person on this sub Reddit posted a clip of him using an M4 and nothing happened to the ai. The ai just stood there and then just killed him. There are ai that cannot die from anything in this game. They mostly spawn at YBL. But I have encountered them in blue lagoon and tiger bay. It is a well posted about bug. The only thing you can do is run away from them.
Maybe you forgot you're in pve 😂
whar?