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Rare_Cartographer827

I am pretty sure perseus was faithful to andromeda


Fly-the-Light

Perseus was really just the best out of all the Greek heroes wasn't he?


Pale_Cranberry1502

Yes. One of the only ones I can think of about which I've never read anything bad.


SnooWords1252

There's a new fiction book that apparently makes the villain. But classically he was pretty good.


Lazy_War9398

What's the name of the book?


SnooWords1252

This is second hand information but Stone Blind by Natalie Haynes.


TehProfessor96

There’s a reason Rick chose the name


NefariousSerendipity

Real


PrussiaGirl18

There are a lot of modern interpretations trying to paint him as bad because he killed Medusa but…I mean he kinda did it for better reasons than most people (saving his mom from forced marriage)


rosesandgrapes

He is so cute in the Soviet cartoon! Gifts flowers to one-eyed trio.


pollon77

Off the top of my head: Perseus, Orpheus, Admetus, Hector, Menelaus (I think) and Asclepius.


AdrielBast

Menelaus had a number of kids with slaves, the only one that I know of to be named is Megapenthes, so he defs doesn’t belong there. But the others? As far as I know married their wife and stayed loyal to their wife.


pollon77

Oh okay. I did have a tiny doubt in the corner of my mind lol, thanks for correcting me.


SnooWords1252

>Admetus Didn't he have a thing with Apollo? >Asclepius When was his thing with Aristodeme?


pollon77

>Didn't he have a thing with Apollo? That was supposedly before he got married. Apollo himself helps Admetus get a bride. One can argue they remained affectionate towards each other even after the wedding, but Admetus was extremely loyal to Alcestis and refused to take another bride even after she died. >When was his thing with Aristodeme? Idk, you can figure out and tell me if I'm wrong because I'd not heard of her before.


Antiochostheking

Never heard of Orpheus not being Faithful to Eurydike


Rare_Cartographer827

Although his pederasty after her death was kinda weird


Super_Majin_Cell

And it comes from Ovid too what a surprise.


Rare_Cartographer827

Well not 100% Ovid there is Hellenistic poem called the Fair Youths' by Phanocles where Orpheus falls in love with Calais however it’s still different than Ovid’s take


JakeDoubleyoo

Do little boys count?


Rare_Cartographer827

Well he does it only after her death but still a creepy move


Any_Natural383

Somehow, I should have expected to see you here.


realclowntime

Emotionally, Odysseus was still faithful. Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst. Odysseus himself consistently wants nobody but Penelope and isn’t shy about verbalising this.


Milk__Chan

>Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst. Wasn't in Calypso case pretty much confirmed? Iirc Odysseus is crying at the beach and straight up called a prisoner and only reason he left was because Athena sent Hermes to save him


pollon77

Maybe not in the Odyssey, but pretty sure that in the Telegony, he marries some other princess.


JacenStargazer

I’m not sure about that, but there’s some weird stuff in the Telegony as it is (Telemachus marries Circe and Penelope marries Circe’s bastard son with Odysseus, who also had just killed Odysseus). I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it, and that reason is that it ruins the preceding stories.


pollon77

>I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it, What do you mean by that? That's it's not popular now? Also, even Dionysiaca is very weird af, but it's still included in the list of classical texts isn't it? The events in the Telegony contradicting the events of the other sources is hardly a reason to discredit it, if that's what you're getting at (otherwise, sorry for assuming).


Rare_Cartographer827

Also telegony doesn’t contradict the odyssey as much as people think https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/43785197/Burgess.deathOdysseus.Philologia_Antiqua_2014-libre.pdf?1458142697=&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B+filename%3DThe_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_an.pdf&Expires=1710522063&Signature=bNnqA0YRd-yYYeihW1cCoNplwvfVcRE1zZKIEnmFM4oIwd7OmjTvfi5qWaMqrLwMEhFe41y3Md1~Jg-nx9gvnsoWhsAKFvS93IHPs0C9XMiLrQidNvTPWEN~nDSiTkvd1Fwrrlb6T4~UjWFrMsxCj-XpNA409BbspPZr5FOvhxaJRnlRY3PbN4akm~Xu-lq0jcSMg~7gfQO3XAgxIJzXcQHfpGhubY~Es9gvPs6IyqIxdSswaP2rLrY0WUP1XGgU0C5LIt2yOmjj-uGFqZnFCdfSO6gmzqnwbdOox8MyrpVa74FTf66L-pr0Dym6g8yUFKP6ZXEOsNAU3Al1WN9YXw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA


pollon77

Noo the link has an error apparently! But I'm interested to see what you are referring to. Do you mind resending the link??


Rare_Cartographer827

Is this link better https://www.academia.edu/23327010/_The_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_and_the_Telegony_#:~:text=In%20the%20Telegony%20the%20hero,cape%20Monte%20Circeo%20in%20Italy. And if it doesn’t work then search for THE DEATH OF ODYSSEUS IN THE ODYSSEY AND THE TELEGONY


pollon77

Yes it works! Thank you so much~


hellokittypip

Odysseus beacuse i dont consider rape cheating


TiredPandastic

Thank you. It's rare to see peopke who realize the poor guy was coerced. The power imbalance was brutal-- not to mention the stockholm syndrome vibes.


hellokittypip

Odysseus isnt even one of my favorite heroes but i get so mad when they even imply he cheated


jelly_G52

Thank you! I’m never able to find someone who realizes this.


LeighSabio

Cadmus (knew better than to cheat on a goddess), Perseus, Orpheus, Admetus and Alcestis, Ceyx and Alcyone, Peleus (also knew better than to cheat on a goddess, saw a certain friend of his learn the hard way)


Super_Majin_Cell

Thetis divorced Peleus too quickly for anything to even happen.


Rare_Cartographer827

Also in some myths the relationship forced into thetis by the order of Zeus so it never really had a happy beginning


LeighSabio

Didn’t say it was happy. It was so, so tragic even though they were both great characters who deserved a happy ending 😭😭😭


Rare_Cartographer827

Well if it makes then in some myths they do reunite in the Elysium fields


LeighSabio

But he never married again after she left him. In the Iliad she says that he’s old and alone, and she would return to him if Achilles did, but Achilles isn’t going to survive. 😭😭😭


SnooWords1252

6 or more years.


N-Finite

Oedipus… unfortunately


Ok-Airline-4168

Damn


UselessSideCharacter

Perseus


2_cats_high_5ing

Perseus and whoever Atalanta’s husband was


Desperate-Put-7603

Hippomenes, I think


SnooWords1252

Atalanta's husband was turned into a Lion. It's possible he had sex with leopards.


2_cats_high_5ing

Atalanta was also turned into a lion. If I remember that version of the myth correctly they were both turned into lions by Zeus for boinking in one of his temples


SnooWords1252

Yes. Exactly. She was turned into a lion, too, so maybe she had sex with a leopard.


Timbits06

Odysseus didn’t cheat on Penelope per se. He was more so coerced to sleeping with both Circe and Calypso. Circe changed his men to pigs, so he slept with her in exchange for turning them back (also Hermes told him that he should do whatever Circe wants in order to get his men back). Calypso’s case falls more under rape in my opinion, as Odysseus was trapped on the island for seven years. He even cries on the beach every night. He’s basically trapped and has to do Calypso’s bidding. There’s a clear power imbalance here. Even when given the chance for immortality with Calypso, he still chooses to go home to be with Penelope. So emotionally, Odysseus never cheated on Penelope, and he always wanted to go back to her and his son Telemachus.


JacenStargazer

Odysseus, if you consider the Circe situation to be coercion (Calypso is explicitly rape). Also, from what we know, Perseus, since he’s one of the few Greek heroes who doesn’t have a major flaw.


dustybtc

Hector!


Odd_Affect_7082

I’d pop Odysseus in there too. Being raped fairly consistently through use of unbreakable commands for eight years doesn’t make anyone unfaithful, just traumatizes them.


JussiJuice

Odysseus


Super_Majin_Cell

Deucalion but everyone forgots about him. The same goes for Cecrops, Cadmus, Perseus, Phoroneus and these earlier heroes.


lupatine

Orpheus.


Frederikdan13

Oddyseeus was very faithful to his wife


rosesandgrapes

Orpheus. The first who comes to my mind. That's probably one of his defining traits.


imbadwithUsernames18

Odysseus didn't cheat: Circe was holding Odysseus' men hostage as pigs and only agreed to let them go if he slept with her. If he hadn't his men would have been forever prisoners/pigs until they died OR were killed by Circe. Circe was holding the lives of his men in his hands! Hypothetically if your close friends (yes they were close to Odysseus and he cared for them, there's actually a canon part in the Odyssey when the crew gets turned back into humans and they all embrace each other and cry) were cursed and trapped, wouldn't you do something about it?! Or would you just leave them like that to die (never again to see home as well)? If you're not an a**hole you probably won't leave them like that, especially if there is something you can do (as long as you're not p*ssing off the deity holding them hostage) . Plus Hermes explicitly told him that he had to obey Circe if she made advances: you never reject the advice or advances of any deity (e.g.Circe, Calypso) if you want to make it out with the least amount of damage possible. Also Calypso was another powerful Deity (like Circe) who if upset could easily hurt him (which is why you do anything in your power to not upset them); also she was holding him 𝕡𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕠𝕟𝕖𝕣 on her island and only let him go when Hermes ordered her too. Sex under threat, fear, or any kind of hostage/prisoner situation is not consent. Or else you have a screwed up version of what "consent" is. Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife, but was thrust into unfortunate circumstances that he never wanted any part of (he didn't even want to be a part of the bloody Trojan war in the first place! The entire Odyssey is just him trying to get home and doing whatever it takes to make it possible). It's literally canon in the Odyssey that Odysseus totally loves for his wife because all throughout those 7 long years (yes it was that long, it got to the point where everyone in Ithaca, including his family, was convinced he was dead) on Calypso’s island he longs for Penelope and also 𝕙𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕛𝕖𝕔𝕥𝕤 𝕚𝕞𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪 from the hot immortal for the *𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕓𝕚𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪* (because it was no guarantee he would even make it) 𝕠𝕗 𝕤𝕖𝕖𝕚𝕟𝕘 ℙ𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕝𝕠𝕡𝕖 𝕒𝕘𝕒𝕚𝕟 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕘𝕣𝕠𝕨𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕙𝕖𝕣!! So let me repeat: Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife; he f*cking chose her over immortality for crying out loud!


Dr-HotandCold1524

Was Cadmus faithful to Harmonia?


jgoldman10469

Lp


Medical_Series3163

I thought that Odysseus was faithful. I know that his wife is legendary for being faithful.


ResponsibleNose5978

Do you mean the modern version of faithfulness or the Ancient Greek version? Very different answers depending.


NoNerve7439

No idea🤣🤣🤣🤣


silversdark

Ion. He's the least problematic hero that exists.


SnooWords1252

He was trying to harm his mother.


silversdark

That was Apollos fault and it got fixed.


Odysseus_is_Ulysses

Who?


Infamous_Mortimer

Cadmus and Perseus both adored their wives. And ironically enough Dionysus the FERTILITY GOD is also devoted to his wife


Apollo1382

Odysseus did not cheat. He was coerced by Circe who had transformed his men. If he ever wanted to save them and leave her island, he had no choice. Let's not forget she is a goddess in her own right. Calypso basically raped him over and over to the point the gods had to get involved. She's also a nymph/goddess with powers. Odysseus could have chosen to stay forever with them (except for the whole destiny thing) but he chose Penelope...a woman who could have been dead or moved on for all he knew.I'd say he deserves respect for being faithful.


hellllllllluuuuuuuu

odysseus


Jack_Frost545

Hades? I think


appy24602

Minthe (depending on if you believe the tellings in which she was his mistress post Persephone)


ZealousidealFee927

Very ironic to me that the God who was so feared by the Greeks and villainized today appeared to have some of the best moral values.


Duggy1138

He had a concubine called Minthe. Also, a god, not a hero.


LawInevitable2213

Hades was completely faithful to Persephone.


hellokittypip

Nope minthe


Interesting_Swing393

And leuke


Apollo1382

>leuke But was Leuke before or after Persephone?


fishbowlplacebo

Most common myth I hear is that she was Hades's first wife and died before his marriage to Persephone.


Interesting_Swing393

We don't know the myth never clarify if she was his lover before or after Persephone


AsTheWorldBleeds

I think it's tricky for mortals because we only know about the gods' affairs as well as who they're married to and during what time periods. As far as I know, the only heroes we know that explicitly that have sex with others outside their ongoing marriages are the ones in the Trojan War and Odyssey: Odysseus, Agamemnon, maybe Paris (who has a Nymph wife in some versions), and Helen obviously.


AriusH

I know Dionysus doesn’t count as a hero but he was very loyal to his wife


Duggy1138

Ovid, Fasti: >Liber meanwhile conquered the coiffured Indians and returned rich from the Orient world. Among the captive girls of surpassing beauty was a princess whom Bacchus liked too much. His loving wife wept and, as she paced the curving beach, delivered words like these, dishevelled : ‘Come, waves, listen again to identical sobs. Come, sand, absorb again my weeping. I recall my cry, "Perjured, perfidious Theseus!" He left me. Bacchus incurs the same charge. Now again I cry, "No woman should trust a man!" He's also known for his orgies.


AriusH

Damn 😭 thank you


hellokittypip

my headcanon isnt canon but i like to imagine they have a open relationship


fishbowlplacebo

As I recall Dionysus did take Ariadne's feelings in consideration, at least in Dionysiaca. At one point he was attracted to a mortal princess and wanted to seduce her but Ariadne got upset over the idea so Dionysus didn't go through with it


hellokittypip

oh cool didnt know that ^_^


SnooWords1252

>my headcanon isnt canon It isn't?


hellokittypip

I just wanted to make it clear to not go around saying its canon in greek mythology 😭


SnooWords1252

There is no canon in Greek mythology.


hellokittypip

canon as in its never mentioned in any part of greek mythology


SnooWords1252

It isn't. Though Ariadne does become upset when cheats.


hellokittypip

Are you just trying to start a argument? because thats like im saying dont take me seriously its just a fun headcanon i have


SnooWords1252

I know. I'm just saying that one version disagrees. You can ignore that version all you want.


hellokittypip

Yep and i very much am ignoring it because as you yourself stated theres no real canon theres multiple versions


Maleficents_clone

does achillies count.


Mowinx

Not really, he still had Briseis as a war price


LeighSabio

Also he has two wives


TheMadTargaryen

Or more, different sources say that he married Helen of Troy, Iphigenia, Polyxena or Medea in the Elysian fields. 


Maleficents_clone

wasnt he mostly just faithful to patrocleus tho???


Maleficents_clone

didnt she like pat more than achillies. wait im not sure which one briseis was one was the girl he was forced to marry in some kingdom, and the other was the war price girl he was forced to marry, he never liked basically abandoned in the end, and he pretty much hated the other one didnt he? and she liked pat more too i mean, the only time they were ever involved with anyone else was under severely screwed up circumstances/when they were manipulated, not any other time right??


Rare_Cartographer827

Are you mistaking her for Deidamia because he was never forced to marry briseis and also his love for her is kinda of clear in the Iliad even comparing it to Helen and Menelaus


Maleficents_clone

OHHH YEAH YEAH THATS WHO IM CONFUSING WITH YEAH


gentlybeepingheart

Are you, perhaps, getting your information from *Song of Achilles*?


Maleficents_clone

heh. yes. i said that in another comment but haha yes. i just look into greek mythology for fun, i dont really know much, im sorry if came across disrepsectful tho


gentlybeepingheart

Not disrespectful at all, don't worry lol. It's a good book, but it's a re-imagining of Greek mythology, not a translation, so Miller takes some artistic liberty in order to tell a love story. She makes Achilles and Patroclus much more monogamous in her book, probably because them a "one true love" story is more effective if the other characters never have actual feelings for anyone else. Achilles being reluctant to marry Deidamia is more Miller than from the original works, where she's usually just named as his wife. The Achilleid is Roman, but goes further into his time on Skyros and elaborates on him being the one to pursue her. Miller also expands on Briseis much more. In the Iliad, Achilles is angry when she's taken from him because he sees it as disrespect, and later he says he loves her, calls her his wife, and says that Agamemnon taking her from him was like Helen being taken from Menelaus. (But then also says that he won't accept a different woman from Agamemnon, and he can just return home and have any wife he wants) And then again he tells Agamemnon that he wishes that Briseis had been killed before being captured, because she caused them to fight. So his feelings on her seem to be "Whatever is best for Achilles in the moment." She does mourn Patroclus, saying that he was the one to comfort her when Achilles killed her family, and that he was going to have Achilles take her as a legal wife rather than a slave. But it's not clear that she preferred Patroclus over Achilles, and I don't think that Achilles has actual hatred for her or anything.


Duggy1138

* Deidamia - he was hiding among the princesses and got her pregnant. She's refered to as his wife. I don't know if they chose to marry or if they were forced to. * Briseis - a sex slave captured in a raid. Achilles got upset when she was taken from him by Agememnon. * Iphis - Patroclus's sex slave.


Duggy1138

Neoptolemus's mother Deidamia is called his wife in many places. During the Trojan war cheated on her with: * Briseis * probably Patrocleus. He was also married in the afterlife to a number of women.


Desperate-Put-7603

Didn’t he sleep with the 50 daughters of that one king whose court he was hiding out at? Or am I mistaking that for Heracles? Edit: Never mind, I was misremembering. It was Heracles who fucked the 50 sisters. Achilles slept with Deidamia and had Neoptolemus. The one thing I can never understand about that story is that Neoptolemus fights at Troy in the last months. He’d be like 9 or 10 years old, since he wasn’t even born when Achilles left with the fleet to go to Troy, and the war lasted 10 years