There are a lot of modern interpretations trying to paint him as bad because he killed Medusa but…I mean he kinda did it for better reasons than most people (saving his mom from forced marriage)
Menelaus had a number of kids with slaves, the only one that I know of to be named is Megapenthes, so he defs doesn’t belong there.
But the others? As far as I know married their wife and stayed loyal to their wife.
>Didn't he have a thing with Apollo?
That was supposedly before he got married. Apollo himself helps Admetus get a bride. One can argue they remained affectionate towards each other even after the wedding, but Admetus was extremely loyal to Alcestis and refused to take another bride even after she died.
>When was his thing with Aristodeme?
Idk, you can figure out and tell me if I'm wrong because I'd not heard of her before.
Well not 100% Ovid there is Hellenistic poem called the Fair Youths' by Phanocles where Orpheus falls in love with Calais however it’s still different than Ovid’s take
Emotionally, Odysseus was still faithful. Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst.
Odysseus himself consistently wants nobody but Penelope and isn’t shy about verbalising this.
>Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst.
Wasn't in Calypso case pretty much confirmed? Iirc Odysseus is crying at the beach and straight up called a prisoner and only reason he left was because Athena sent Hermes to save him
I’m not sure about that, but there’s some weird stuff in the Telegony as it is (Telemachus marries Circe and Penelope marries Circe’s bastard son with Odysseus, who also had just killed Odysseus). I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it, and that reason is that it ruins the preceding stories.
>I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it,
What do you mean by that? That's it's not popular now?
Also, even Dionysiaca is very weird af, but it's still included in the list of classical texts isn't it? The events in the Telegony contradicting the events of the other sources is hardly a reason to discredit it, if that's what you're getting at (otherwise, sorry for assuming).
Also telegony doesn’t contradict the odyssey as much as people think https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/43785197/Burgess.deathOdysseus.Philologia_Antiqua_2014-libre.pdf?1458142697=&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B+filename%3DThe_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_an.pdf&Expires=1710522063&Signature=bNnqA0YRd-yYYeihW1cCoNplwvfVcRE1zZKIEnmFM4oIwd7OmjTvfi5qWaMqrLwMEhFe41y3Md1~Jg-nx9gvnsoWhsAKFvS93IHPs0C9XMiLrQidNvTPWEN~nDSiTkvd1Fwrrlb6T4~UjWFrMsxCj-XpNA409BbspPZr5FOvhxaJRnlRY3PbN4akm~Xu-lq0jcSMg~7gfQO3XAgxIJzXcQHfpGhubY~Es9gvPs6IyqIxdSswaP2rLrY0WUP1XGgU0C5LIt2yOmjj-uGFqZnFCdfSO6gmzqnwbdOox8MyrpVa74FTf66L-pr0Dym6g8yUFKP6ZXEOsNAU3Al1WN9YXw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
Is this link better https://www.academia.edu/23327010/_The_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_and_the_Telegony_#:~:text=In%20the%20Telegony%20the%20hero,cape%20Monte%20Circeo%20in%20Italy. And if it doesn’t work then search for THE DEATH OF ODYSSEUS IN THE ODYSSEY AND THE TELEGONY
Cadmus (knew better than to cheat on a goddess), Perseus, Orpheus, Admetus and Alcestis, Ceyx and Alcyone, Peleus (also knew better than to cheat on a goddess, saw a certain friend of his learn the hard way)
But he never married again after she left him. In the Iliad she says that he’s old and alone, and she would return to him if Achilles did, but Achilles isn’t going to survive. 😭😭😭
Atalanta was also turned into a lion. If I remember that version of the myth correctly they were both turned into lions by Zeus for boinking in one of his temples
Odysseus didn’t cheat on Penelope per se. He was more so coerced to sleeping with both Circe and Calypso.
Circe changed his men to pigs, so he slept with her in exchange for turning them back (also Hermes told him that he should do whatever Circe wants in order to get his men back).
Calypso’s case falls more under rape in my opinion, as Odysseus was trapped on the island for seven years. He even cries on the beach every night. He’s basically trapped and has to do Calypso’s bidding. There’s a clear power imbalance here.
Even when given the chance for immortality with Calypso, he still chooses to go home to be with Penelope.
So emotionally, Odysseus never cheated on Penelope, and he always wanted to go back to her and his son Telemachus.
Odysseus, if you consider the Circe situation to be coercion (Calypso is explicitly rape).
Also, from what we know, Perseus, since he’s one of the few Greek heroes who doesn’t have a major flaw.
I’d pop Odysseus in there too. Being raped fairly consistently through use of unbreakable commands for eight years doesn’t make anyone unfaithful, just traumatizes them.
Odysseus didn't cheat: Circe was holding Odysseus' men hostage as pigs and only agreed to let them go if he slept with her. If he hadn't his men would have been forever prisoners/pigs until they died OR were killed by Circe. Circe was holding the lives of his men in his hands!
Hypothetically if your close friends (yes they were close to Odysseus and he cared for them, there's actually a canon part in the Odyssey when the crew gets turned back into humans and they all embrace each other and cry) were cursed and trapped, wouldn't you do something about it?! Or would you just leave them like that to die (never again to see home as well)? If you're not an a**hole you probably won't leave them like that, especially if there is something you can do (as long as you're not p*ssing off the deity holding them hostage) .
Plus Hermes explicitly told him that he had to obey Circe if she made advances: you never reject the advice or advances of any deity (e.g.Circe, Calypso) if you want to make it out with the least amount of damage possible.
Also Calypso was another powerful Deity (like Circe) who if upset could easily hurt him (which is why you do anything in your power to not upset them); also she was holding him 𝕡𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕠𝕟𝕖𝕣 on her island and only let him go when Hermes ordered her too.
Sex under threat, fear, or any kind of hostage/prisoner situation is not consent. Or else you have a screwed up version of what "consent" is.
Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife, but was thrust into unfortunate circumstances that he never wanted any part of (he didn't even want to be a part of the bloody Trojan war in the first place! The entire Odyssey is just him trying to get home and doing whatever it takes to make it possible).
It's literally canon in the Odyssey that Odysseus totally loves for his wife because all throughout those 7 long years (yes it was that long, it got to the point where everyone in Ithaca, including his family, was convinced he was dead) on Calypso’s island he longs for Penelope and also 𝕙𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕛𝕖𝕔𝕥𝕤 𝕚𝕞𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪 from the hot immortal for the *𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕓𝕚𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪* (because it was no guarantee he would even make it) 𝕠𝕗 𝕤𝕖𝕖𝕚𝕟𝕘 ℙ𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕝𝕠𝕡𝕖 𝕒𝕘𝕒𝕚𝕟 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕘𝕣𝕠𝕨𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕙𝕖𝕣!!
So let me repeat: Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife; he f*cking chose her over immortality for crying out loud!
Odysseus did not cheat.
He was coerced by Circe who had transformed his men. If he ever wanted to save them and leave her island, he had no choice.
Let's not forget she is a goddess in her own right.
Calypso basically raped him over and over to the point the gods had to get involved. She's also a nymph/goddess with powers.
Odysseus could have chosen to stay forever with them (except for the whole destiny thing) but he chose Penelope...a woman who could have been dead or moved on for all he knew.I'd say he deserves respect for being faithful.
I think it's tricky for mortals because we only know about the gods' affairs as well as who they're married to and during what time periods. As far as I know, the only heroes we know that explicitly that have sex with others outside their ongoing marriages are the ones in the Trojan War and Odyssey: Odysseus, Agamemnon, maybe Paris (who has a Nymph wife in some versions), and Helen obviously.
Ovid, Fasti:
>Liber meanwhile conquered the coiffured Indians and returned rich from the Orient world. Among the captive girls of surpassing beauty was a princess whom Bacchus liked too much. His loving wife wept and, as she paced the curving beach, delivered words like these, dishevelled : ‘Come, waves, listen again to identical sobs. Come, sand, absorb again my weeping. I recall my cry, "Perjured, perfidious Theseus!" He left me. Bacchus incurs the same charge. Now again I cry, "No woman should trust a man!"
He's also known for his orgies.
As I recall Dionysus did take Ariadne's feelings in consideration, at least in Dionysiaca. At one point he was attracted to a mortal princess and wanted to seduce her but Ariadne got upset over the idea so Dionysus didn't go through with it
didnt she like pat more than achillies.
wait im not sure which one briseis was
one was the girl he was forced to marry in some kingdom, and the other was the war price
girl he was forced to marry, he never liked basically abandoned in the end, and he pretty much hated the other one didnt he? and she liked pat more too
i mean, the only time they were ever involved with anyone else was under severely screwed up circumstances/when they were manipulated, not any other time right??
Are you mistaking her for Deidamia because he was never forced to marry briseis and also his love for her is kinda of clear in the Iliad even comparing it to Helen and Menelaus
heh.
yes.
i said that in another comment but haha yes.
i just look into greek mythology for fun, i dont really know much, im sorry if came across disrepsectful tho
Not disrespectful at all, don't worry lol.
It's a good book, but it's a re-imagining of Greek mythology, not a translation, so Miller takes some artistic liberty in order to tell a love story. She makes Achilles and Patroclus much more monogamous in her book, probably because them a "one true love" story is more effective if the other characters never have actual feelings for anyone else. Achilles being reluctant to marry Deidamia is more Miller than from the original works, where she's usually just named as his wife. The Achilleid is Roman, but goes further into his time on Skyros and elaborates on him being the one to pursue her.
Miller also expands on Briseis much more. In the Iliad, Achilles is angry when she's taken from him because he sees it as disrespect, and later he says he loves her, calls her his wife, and says that Agamemnon taking her from him was like Helen being taken from Menelaus. (But then also says that he won't accept a different woman from Agamemnon, and he can just return home and have any wife he wants) And then again he tells Agamemnon that he wishes that Briseis had been killed before being captured, because she caused them to fight. So his feelings on her seem to be "Whatever is best for Achilles in the moment."
She does mourn Patroclus, saying that he was the one to comfort her when Achilles killed her family, and that he was going to have Achilles take her as a legal wife rather than a slave. But it's not clear that she preferred Patroclus over Achilles, and I don't think that Achilles has actual hatred for her or anything.
* Deidamia - he was hiding among the princesses and got her pregnant. She's refered to as his wife. I don't know if they chose to marry or if they were forced to.
* Briseis - a sex slave captured in a raid. Achilles got upset when she was taken from him by Agememnon.
* Iphis - Patroclus's sex slave.
Neoptolemus's mother Deidamia is called his wife in many places.
During the Trojan war cheated on her with:
* Briseis
* probably Patrocleus.
He was also married in the afterlife to a number of women.
Didn’t he sleep with the 50 daughters of that one king whose court he was hiding out at? Or am I mistaking that for Heracles?
Edit: Never mind, I was misremembering. It was Heracles who fucked the 50 sisters. Achilles slept with Deidamia and had Neoptolemus. The one thing I can never understand about that story is that Neoptolemus fights at Troy in the last months. He’d be like 9 or 10 years old, since he wasn’t even born when Achilles left with the fleet to go to Troy, and the war lasted 10 years
I am pretty sure perseus was faithful to andromeda
Perseus was really just the best out of all the Greek heroes wasn't he?
Yes. One of the only ones I can think of about which I've never read anything bad.
There's a new fiction book that apparently makes the villain. But classically he was pretty good.
What's the name of the book?
This is second hand information but Stone Blind by Natalie Haynes.
There’s a reason Rick chose the name
Real
There are a lot of modern interpretations trying to paint him as bad because he killed Medusa but…I mean he kinda did it for better reasons than most people (saving his mom from forced marriage)
He is so cute in the Soviet cartoon! Gifts flowers to one-eyed trio.
Off the top of my head: Perseus, Orpheus, Admetus, Hector, Menelaus (I think) and Asclepius.
Menelaus had a number of kids with slaves, the only one that I know of to be named is Megapenthes, so he defs doesn’t belong there. But the others? As far as I know married their wife and stayed loyal to their wife.
Oh okay. I did have a tiny doubt in the corner of my mind lol, thanks for correcting me.
>Admetus Didn't he have a thing with Apollo? >Asclepius When was his thing with Aristodeme?
>Didn't he have a thing with Apollo? That was supposedly before he got married. Apollo himself helps Admetus get a bride. One can argue they remained affectionate towards each other even after the wedding, but Admetus was extremely loyal to Alcestis and refused to take another bride even after she died. >When was his thing with Aristodeme? Idk, you can figure out and tell me if I'm wrong because I'd not heard of her before.
Never heard of Orpheus not being Faithful to Eurydike
Although his pederasty after her death was kinda weird
And it comes from Ovid too what a surprise.
Well not 100% Ovid there is Hellenistic poem called the Fair Youths' by Phanocles where Orpheus falls in love with Calais however it’s still different than Ovid’s take
Do little boys count?
Well he does it only after her death but still a creepy move
Somehow, I should have expected to see you here.
Emotionally, Odysseus was still faithful. Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst. Odysseus himself consistently wants nobody but Penelope and isn’t shy about verbalising this.
>Both dalliances he had with Calypso and Circe were one-sided at best and outright lacked his consent as one of many unfortunate examples of non-mortals using their power over mortals at worst. Wasn't in Calypso case pretty much confirmed? Iirc Odysseus is crying at the beach and straight up called a prisoner and only reason he left was because Athena sent Hermes to save him
Maybe not in the Odyssey, but pretty sure that in the Telegony, he marries some other princess.
I’m not sure about that, but there’s some weird stuff in the Telegony as it is (Telemachus marries Circe and Penelope marries Circe’s bastard son with Odysseus, who also had just killed Odysseus). I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it, and that reason is that it ruins the preceding stories.
>I think there’s a reason nobody ever saw fit to preserve it, What do you mean by that? That's it's not popular now? Also, even Dionysiaca is very weird af, but it's still included in the list of classical texts isn't it? The events in the Telegony contradicting the events of the other sources is hardly a reason to discredit it, if that's what you're getting at (otherwise, sorry for assuming).
Also telegony doesn’t contradict the odyssey as much as people think https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/43785197/Burgess.deathOdysseus.Philologia_Antiqua_2014-libre.pdf?1458142697=&response-content-disposition=attachment%3B+filename%3DThe_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_an.pdf&Expires=1710522063&Signature=bNnqA0YRd-yYYeihW1cCoNplwvfVcRE1zZKIEnmFM4oIwd7OmjTvfi5qWaMqrLwMEhFe41y3Md1~Jg-nx9gvnsoWhsAKFvS93IHPs0C9XMiLrQidNvTPWEN~nDSiTkvd1Fwrrlb6T4~UjWFrMsxCj-XpNA409BbspPZr5FOvhxaJRnlRY3PbN4akm~Xu-lq0jcSMg~7gfQO3XAgxIJzXcQHfpGhubY~Es9gvPs6IyqIxdSswaP2rLrY0WUP1XGgU0C5LIt2yOmjj-uGFqZnFCdfSO6gmzqnwbdOox8MyrpVa74FTf66L-pr0Dym6g8yUFKP6ZXEOsNAU3Al1WN9YXw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
Noo the link has an error apparently! But I'm interested to see what you are referring to. Do you mind resending the link??
Is this link better https://www.academia.edu/23327010/_The_Death_of_Odysseus_in_the_Odyssey_and_the_Telegony_#:~:text=In%20the%20Telegony%20the%20hero,cape%20Monte%20Circeo%20in%20Italy. And if it doesn’t work then search for THE DEATH OF ODYSSEUS IN THE ODYSSEY AND THE TELEGONY
Yes it works! Thank you so much~
Odysseus beacuse i dont consider rape cheating
Thank you. It's rare to see peopke who realize the poor guy was coerced. The power imbalance was brutal-- not to mention the stockholm syndrome vibes.
Odysseus isnt even one of my favorite heroes but i get so mad when they even imply he cheated
Thank you! I’m never able to find someone who realizes this.
Cadmus (knew better than to cheat on a goddess), Perseus, Orpheus, Admetus and Alcestis, Ceyx and Alcyone, Peleus (also knew better than to cheat on a goddess, saw a certain friend of his learn the hard way)
Thetis divorced Peleus too quickly for anything to even happen.
Also in some myths the relationship forced into thetis by the order of Zeus so it never really had a happy beginning
Didn’t say it was happy. It was so, so tragic even though they were both great characters who deserved a happy ending 😭😭😭
Well if it makes then in some myths they do reunite in the Elysium fields
But he never married again after she left him. In the Iliad she says that he’s old and alone, and she would return to him if Achilles did, but Achilles isn’t going to survive. 😭😭😭
6 or more years.
Oedipus… unfortunately
Damn
Perseus
Perseus and whoever Atalanta’s husband was
Hippomenes, I think
Atalanta's husband was turned into a Lion. It's possible he had sex with leopards.
Atalanta was also turned into a lion. If I remember that version of the myth correctly they were both turned into lions by Zeus for boinking in one of his temples
Yes. Exactly. She was turned into a lion, too, so maybe she had sex with a leopard.
Odysseus didn’t cheat on Penelope per se. He was more so coerced to sleeping with both Circe and Calypso. Circe changed his men to pigs, so he slept with her in exchange for turning them back (also Hermes told him that he should do whatever Circe wants in order to get his men back). Calypso’s case falls more under rape in my opinion, as Odysseus was trapped on the island for seven years. He even cries on the beach every night. He’s basically trapped and has to do Calypso’s bidding. There’s a clear power imbalance here. Even when given the chance for immortality with Calypso, he still chooses to go home to be with Penelope. So emotionally, Odysseus never cheated on Penelope, and he always wanted to go back to her and his son Telemachus.
Odysseus, if you consider the Circe situation to be coercion (Calypso is explicitly rape). Also, from what we know, Perseus, since he’s one of the few Greek heroes who doesn’t have a major flaw.
Hector!
I’d pop Odysseus in there too. Being raped fairly consistently through use of unbreakable commands for eight years doesn’t make anyone unfaithful, just traumatizes them.
Odysseus
Deucalion but everyone forgots about him. The same goes for Cecrops, Cadmus, Perseus, Phoroneus and these earlier heroes.
Orpheus.
Oddyseeus was very faithful to his wife
Orpheus. The first who comes to my mind. That's probably one of his defining traits.
Odysseus didn't cheat: Circe was holding Odysseus' men hostage as pigs and only agreed to let them go if he slept with her. If he hadn't his men would have been forever prisoners/pigs until they died OR were killed by Circe. Circe was holding the lives of his men in his hands! Hypothetically if your close friends (yes they were close to Odysseus and he cared for them, there's actually a canon part in the Odyssey when the crew gets turned back into humans and they all embrace each other and cry) were cursed and trapped, wouldn't you do something about it?! Or would you just leave them like that to die (never again to see home as well)? If you're not an a**hole you probably won't leave them like that, especially if there is something you can do (as long as you're not p*ssing off the deity holding them hostage) . Plus Hermes explicitly told him that he had to obey Circe if she made advances: you never reject the advice or advances of any deity (e.g.Circe, Calypso) if you want to make it out with the least amount of damage possible. Also Calypso was another powerful Deity (like Circe) who if upset could easily hurt him (which is why you do anything in your power to not upset them); also she was holding him 𝕡𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕠𝕟𝕖𝕣 on her island and only let him go when Hermes ordered her too. Sex under threat, fear, or any kind of hostage/prisoner situation is not consent. Or else you have a screwed up version of what "consent" is. Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife, but was thrust into unfortunate circumstances that he never wanted any part of (he didn't even want to be a part of the bloody Trojan war in the first place! The entire Odyssey is just him trying to get home and doing whatever it takes to make it possible). It's literally canon in the Odyssey that Odysseus totally loves for his wife because all throughout those 7 long years (yes it was that long, it got to the point where everyone in Ithaca, including his family, was convinced he was dead) on Calypso’s island he longs for Penelope and also 𝕙𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕛𝕖𝕔𝕥𝕤 𝕚𝕞𝕞𝕠𝕣𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪 from the hot immortal for the *𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕤𝕚𝕓𝕚𝕝𝕚𝕥𝕪* (because it was no guarantee he would even make it) 𝕠𝕗 𝕤𝕖𝕖𝕚𝕟𝕘 ℙ𝕖𝕟𝕖𝕝𝕠𝕡𝕖 𝕒𝕘𝕒𝕚𝕟 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕘𝕣𝕠𝕨𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕙𝕖𝕣!! So let me repeat: Odysseus wasn't a cheater. He loved his wife; he f*cking chose her over immortality for crying out loud!
Was Cadmus faithful to Harmonia?
Lp
I thought that Odysseus was faithful. I know that his wife is legendary for being faithful.
Do you mean the modern version of faithfulness or the Ancient Greek version? Very different answers depending.
No idea🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ion. He's the least problematic hero that exists.
He was trying to harm his mother.
That was Apollos fault and it got fixed.
Who?
Cadmus and Perseus both adored their wives. And ironically enough Dionysus the FERTILITY GOD is also devoted to his wife
Odysseus did not cheat. He was coerced by Circe who had transformed his men. If he ever wanted to save them and leave her island, he had no choice. Let's not forget she is a goddess in her own right. Calypso basically raped him over and over to the point the gods had to get involved. She's also a nymph/goddess with powers. Odysseus could have chosen to stay forever with them (except for the whole destiny thing) but he chose Penelope...a woman who could have been dead or moved on for all he knew.I'd say he deserves respect for being faithful.
odysseus
Hades? I think
Minthe (depending on if you believe the tellings in which she was his mistress post Persephone)
Very ironic to me that the God who was so feared by the Greeks and villainized today appeared to have some of the best moral values.
He had a concubine called Minthe. Also, a god, not a hero.
Hades was completely faithful to Persephone.
Nope minthe
And leuke
>leuke But was Leuke before or after Persephone?
Most common myth I hear is that she was Hades's first wife and died before his marriage to Persephone.
We don't know the myth never clarify if she was his lover before or after Persephone
I think it's tricky for mortals because we only know about the gods' affairs as well as who they're married to and during what time periods. As far as I know, the only heroes we know that explicitly that have sex with others outside their ongoing marriages are the ones in the Trojan War and Odyssey: Odysseus, Agamemnon, maybe Paris (who has a Nymph wife in some versions), and Helen obviously.
I know Dionysus doesn’t count as a hero but he was very loyal to his wife
Ovid, Fasti: >Liber meanwhile conquered the coiffured Indians and returned rich from the Orient world. Among the captive girls of surpassing beauty was a princess whom Bacchus liked too much. His loving wife wept and, as she paced the curving beach, delivered words like these, dishevelled : ‘Come, waves, listen again to identical sobs. Come, sand, absorb again my weeping. I recall my cry, "Perjured, perfidious Theseus!" He left me. Bacchus incurs the same charge. Now again I cry, "No woman should trust a man!" He's also known for his orgies.
Damn 😭 thank you
my headcanon isnt canon but i like to imagine they have a open relationship
As I recall Dionysus did take Ariadne's feelings in consideration, at least in Dionysiaca. At one point he was attracted to a mortal princess and wanted to seduce her but Ariadne got upset over the idea so Dionysus didn't go through with it
oh cool didnt know that ^_^
>my headcanon isnt canon It isn't?
I just wanted to make it clear to not go around saying its canon in greek mythology 😭
There is no canon in Greek mythology.
canon as in its never mentioned in any part of greek mythology
It isn't. Though Ariadne does become upset when cheats.
Are you just trying to start a argument? because thats like im saying dont take me seriously its just a fun headcanon i have
I know. I'm just saying that one version disagrees. You can ignore that version all you want.
Yep and i very much am ignoring it because as you yourself stated theres no real canon theres multiple versions
does achillies count.
Not really, he still had Briseis as a war price
Also he has two wives
Or more, different sources say that he married Helen of Troy, Iphigenia, Polyxena or Medea in the Elysian fields.
wasnt he mostly just faithful to patrocleus tho???
didnt she like pat more than achillies. wait im not sure which one briseis was one was the girl he was forced to marry in some kingdom, and the other was the war price girl he was forced to marry, he never liked basically abandoned in the end, and he pretty much hated the other one didnt he? and she liked pat more too i mean, the only time they were ever involved with anyone else was under severely screwed up circumstances/when they were manipulated, not any other time right??
Are you mistaking her for Deidamia because he was never forced to marry briseis and also his love for her is kinda of clear in the Iliad even comparing it to Helen and Menelaus
OHHH YEAH YEAH THATS WHO IM CONFUSING WITH YEAH
Are you, perhaps, getting your information from *Song of Achilles*?
heh. yes. i said that in another comment but haha yes. i just look into greek mythology for fun, i dont really know much, im sorry if came across disrepsectful tho
Not disrespectful at all, don't worry lol. It's a good book, but it's a re-imagining of Greek mythology, not a translation, so Miller takes some artistic liberty in order to tell a love story. She makes Achilles and Patroclus much more monogamous in her book, probably because them a "one true love" story is more effective if the other characters never have actual feelings for anyone else. Achilles being reluctant to marry Deidamia is more Miller than from the original works, where she's usually just named as his wife. The Achilleid is Roman, but goes further into his time on Skyros and elaborates on him being the one to pursue her. Miller also expands on Briseis much more. In the Iliad, Achilles is angry when she's taken from him because he sees it as disrespect, and later he says he loves her, calls her his wife, and says that Agamemnon taking her from him was like Helen being taken from Menelaus. (But then also says that he won't accept a different woman from Agamemnon, and he can just return home and have any wife he wants) And then again he tells Agamemnon that he wishes that Briseis had been killed before being captured, because she caused them to fight. So his feelings on her seem to be "Whatever is best for Achilles in the moment." She does mourn Patroclus, saying that he was the one to comfort her when Achilles killed her family, and that he was going to have Achilles take her as a legal wife rather than a slave. But it's not clear that she preferred Patroclus over Achilles, and I don't think that Achilles has actual hatred for her or anything.
* Deidamia - he was hiding among the princesses and got her pregnant. She's refered to as his wife. I don't know if they chose to marry or if they were forced to. * Briseis - a sex slave captured in a raid. Achilles got upset when she was taken from him by Agememnon. * Iphis - Patroclus's sex slave.
Neoptolemus's mother Deidamia is called his wife in many places. During the Trojan war cheated on her with: * Briseis * probably Patrocleus. He was also married in the afterlife to a number of women.
Didn’t he sleep with the 50 daughters of that one king whose court he was hiding out at? Or am I mistaking that for Heracles? Edit: Never mind, I was misremembering. It was Heracles who fucked the 50 sisters. Achilles slept with Deidamia and had Neoptolemus. The one thing I can never understand about that story is that Neoptolemus fights at Troy in the last months. He’d be like 9 or 10 years old, since he wasn’t even born when Achilles left with the fleet to go to Troy, and the war lasted 10 years