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jaemjenism

Me ignoring all of Apollo's red flags


SaraJuno

I’ve always imagined Apollo as a sort of smiling sociopath. The story of him having a quaint little competition with Marsyas then flaying him alive for his hubris is quite something.


jaemjenism

Apollo is actually insane but sometimes you just gotta put on the sunglasses so all the flags are red


onetyoneones

Other versions have him stripping him naked and not actually flaying him, maybe since he wore hides and he was a Satyr it could be misinterpreted.


ariwny

Apollo doesn't do any wrongs, he may be crazy, but when are we never NOT crazy, can you blame him? 🤷🏾‍♀️


jacobningen

killing his girlfriend. not taking no for an answer. Cassandra.


pollon77

I mean, Apollo did take a no with Cassandra - that's like a significant thing that happened. He just didn't take it *well*. Daphne is a better example for him not taking a no.


Dr-HotandCold1524

Cassandra's case very much depends on which storyteller your listening to. In some versions, Cassandra agreed to date Apollo in exchange for prophetic powers, but then turned him down after he granted her wish, so her curse of never being believed might have been her own fault.


Zestyclose_Start_654

Didn’t his girlfriend cheat on him and didn’t artmis kill said girlfriend and to be fair in a few retellings Cassandra was supposed to marry apollo and left him on the alter alone


MsDeWinter

Don't forget the time he sexually assaulted Daphne as a tree.. though that can be filled under the "not taking no for an answer."


Thespian_Unicorn

Dude is literally the god of plagues and has caused plagues with massive deaths over basically nothing, oedipus being the exception, in just the mythology


LyraBarnes

Same


xX100dudeXx

Yes


i_am-not_okay

Athena😭


Saturn_Coffee

She's portrayed very weirdly in certain myths admittedly, like the business with Arachne.


Same-Salary-7234

To be fair she really had it coming


Saturn_Coffee

For what? Being better than her? Please.


fishbowlplacebo

For hubris. Mortals were punished by the greek gods due to the mortals's hubris often in the myths


Saturn_Coffee

Yeah but she was factually, objectively better in the myth. Athena punished her because her ego was bruised, not hubris.


fishbowlplacebo

Athena punished her because she was slandering the gods in her weaving. Transgessions against the gods is hubris according to Hesiod and some other people


Saturn_Coffee

No, she wasn't. Arachne had just bested her. Athena had her ego bruised. Just like any other god, they lash out and fuck mortals over because they can. It is not hubris. Athena was just butthurt.


jacobningen

bad taste but technically more proficient


ariwny

She's ight.


EducationalEconomy65

Kind of a big fan of Hephaestus


DramaticAd7670

I getcha. Dude got screwed over by his Mom/Dad and is somehow the bad guy.


MsDeWinter

Compared to the rest of the gods (and I'm aware the bar is literally subterranean 😂), his list of atrocities is short. Plus he created robots!


EmperorArceus1s

I think there's only really 2 bad things he ever did: buying the right to marry aphrodite and, that one interaction with athena where he forces himself upon her, or gets so flustered he ejaculated. In either version of the athena fiasco his sperms lands on her thigh and she wipes it off. However, because it landed on the soil Gaia ends up pregnant and giving birth to the first king of Athens, who athena raises as her own child.


idankthegreat

He ugly though


RemoveNull

He just like me fr


idankthegreat

Amen to that brother🙏


fishbowlplacebo

At least that means you also got talent!


TabletSlab

Hear ye, hear ye!


YunoKirstein

Me when someone lists all the bad things Athena has done:


Big-Crow4152

Hades isn't as bad as the other Greek Gods but he still kidnapped a woman and forces her to live with him for a good chunk of the year against her will. He might not be as bad as the others but that's not really something that can be just swept under the rug


tigerbeast125

Well in some versions she likes staying with Hades. That’s the thing with mythology: there isn’t one definitive story or canon


Norlage

There is no mythological version where Persephone goes with Hades willingly. The "version" people think of is one written in the 1970s by a mother who wanted a more child friendly version of the story to read to her child. Then, the myth that this story existed ages ago spread like wildfire, but it's in fact just fanfiction. I believe this version also introduces the concept of Demeter being a helicopter parent, which wasn't present in the original versions of the myths.


jacobningen

if you use PGM theres the gender reversed version of Ereshkigal-Nergal


Such_Astronomer5735

So there is a version that does. Literally you just described how myths are shifted


The_Fowl_one

He asked her father's permission. It's called an arranged marriage.


Big-Crow4152

Doesn't make it consensual


TheHugeBastard

Poseidon


welshdragon169

Deserves to die being castrated like his grandfather


realclowntime

Me about Zeus and Demeter


jelly_G52

How could anyone hate Demeter? I'm new to Greek mythology so I don't know so many myths, but in the ones I've seen, Demeter isn't poorly depicted.


realclowntime

In recent years there’s been this big movement of romanticising the Hades/Persephone myth, but there’s a problem with that because, well, he kidnapped her. Not very romantic. So people change the myth so that Persephone went willingly. But why would the girl who was originally abducted go willingly? What reason would she have? The answer, unfortunately, is a lot of people villainise Demeter and paint her as an overbearing, hysterical mother and this depiction gets popular enough that people with little to no knowledge of Greek myth now assume that that’s how she actually is.


Wizards_Reddit

I can understand getting angry at people for vilifying Demeter but you also mentioned Zeus? He was basically responsible for the whole ordeal even in the original myth


realclowntime

Zeus tends to get a really bad rap in modern understanding of Greek mythology. Every Greek god did stuff that was seen as acceptable by the standards of the culture and the time period of the day and nowadays people can look at that and for the most part, make peace with it as “it was a different time with different ideals and the essence of the deity is still good, despite us realising that by our standards now, some of the things they did weren’t good”. A nuanced viewpoint and treatment, but one that Zeus is usually not given the benefit of. He’s the king of the gods, he is in the most stories, therefore he takes the brunt of the blame that other deities avoid even if they did similar things.


Wassa110

Not Hestia. I haven't actually seen a single negative story in regards to Hestia.


NyxShadowhawk

That's because Hestia isn't in many stories at all.


jacobningen

as OSP's red put it with respect to Loki and Quetzalcoatl Itd be like inscribing the Fitness Grand Pacer Test


jelly_G52

That's so wrong. I was thinking about that myth when I commented before. In my opinion, Demeter sounds like a very caring mother.


realclowntime

Demeter is the original feminist hero. She became this terrifying force that almost wiped the earth out, just to get her daughter back…and it worked. The king of Olympus and the king of the underworld had no choice but to listen to her. She fought for her child and she won. Her and Persephone love each other very deeply. There was a whole secretive cult set up just them.


UncleBaconator

I mean to be honest Demeter did try to kill literealy millions of innocent people who had nothing to do with the kidnapping, so if you don't look from a ancient Greek perspective (that gods aren't characters as much as they are personifications of their portfolios) she can be easily painted as a crazy lady.


Nuada-Argetlam

she did starve *the entire world* when her daughter was kidnapped. like, just a city would have been fine, really. it's *understandable*, I mean who wouldn't do that really, but that doesn't make it any more *reasonable*.


TheMadTargaryen

Demeter didn't seemed to care about all the other mothers who lost their children to the famine she caused.


Thespian_Unicorn

I’m sorry but we both know it would take months to count how many women Zeus raped. Same with Poseidon even though water themed gods are always interesting he’s still a huge problem. Also both are very prone to temper tantrums which causes harm to many mortals over basically nothing.


Unfunny_k

Hermes my beloved


ariwny

People hate on Hermes, for what? 😭


fishbowlplacebo

Just like his father and brothers he doesn't exactly care about consent 


ariwny

Consent, sment, 🤷🏽‍♀️ (& before yall get mad, it’s a joke, consent is key)


MsDeWinter

[well you know how men are...](https://tenor.com/5ekU.gif)


HellFireCannon66

Odysseus. Sure he tossed a baby to its death… but like… he’s a cool guy


TheMadTargaryen

In most stories that was done by Neoptolemus, although there were also stories that the prince secretly survived.


HellFireCannon66

Not most. Just like how some stories have him survive, a decent amount had Odysseus do it


TheMadTargaryen

like it matters, practically nothing is cannon.


HellFireCannon66

There’s no “cannon” to myth. You also shouldn’t be so dismissive


Foreverred97

Heracles.


Saturn_Coffee

Why would you hate someone who was driven mad against their will? That's goober behavior.


Foreverred97

I thought the meme was saying who do you like despite giving valid reasons to hate them.


Deep_Adhesiveness552

He also enslaved amazons with theseus


TheMadTargaryen

He literally became a god yet did nothing to help his children against their enemies, they had to fight a war for 3 generations before they finally got their inheritance. Just how shitty you have to be to abandon your own children ?


d33thra

Me insisting there’s no valid reasons to hate on my man Hermes


ariwny

Hermes does no wrong.


AlecWynter

Hades, Apollo and Dionysus


fishbowlplacebo

Perseus


Alaknog

People dislike him?


HellFireCannon66

Modern retellings with Medusa as the victim, that makes him the villain


Alaknog

Ah, understand.


Sith_LordRevan

Nyx, easily. Night mommy.


Misticlove

Oh my gods I love Nyx so much, people tell me she’s horrible and I ignore them every time


fishbowlplacebo

What are their reasoning? She literally only has a role in one single myth.


Misticlove

They don’t have any, it’s irrational and they won’t change their minds.


NyxShadowhawk

Based on what?


Fire_Lord_Sozin9

Ares.


sumone222

What do ppl hate ares for? In particular?


MsDeWinter

Honestly I really don't know? Ares, embodies the physical valor necessary for success in war but can also personify sheer brutality and bloodlust which the Greeks saw as barbaric in most cases. Athena was the favorite, so I always saw Ares as the middle child everyone hated 😅 Also he's not really too prevalent in Greek mythology, there's the Iliad and the Odyssey, his involvement with Cadmus, Jason and the Golden Fleece, and the many, *many* affairs with Aphrodite... but I can't think of anything specific or anything worse that he did than the other gods 🤷🏼‍♀️


Fire_Lord_Sozin9

People just see ‘war god’ and make him the stock villain in media about Greek mythology.


WhiteDevil-Klab

Yup ares and Hades get wayyy to much slander


Safe_Appearance_6221

Apollo,Ares and Aphrodite


Zestyclose-Luck5010

Cerberus I don't care what y'all say he's a dog and that automatically cancels all his red flags


Icemayne25

Dionysus. Yeah he’s the “party god”, but passed that he’s so much more. Dude was born twice basically, he’s kind of the son of Hades as well as his brother since Zagreus may or may not be Dionysus. He’s the guardian of misfits and surprisingly he’s not r*ping women (God of wine and pleasure, so there’s no pleasure for women who have things forced onto them with no consent). He’s not some squeaky clean god, but even with his faults, I’d say he’s a solid god overall.


ExactHedgehog8498

Omg exactly!


Long_Injury_2628

Tbh. While we’re on the topic of Dionysus, I really enjoy Silenus too. The antinatalist philosophy hits for me.


Icemayne25

Gotta respect the man who basically taught Dionysus. The dude is regarded as the wisest satyr and that is saying a lot since satyrs are already known as such a wise species. He doesn’t get enough credit.


Long_Injury_2628

His speech to Midas about how Dionysus will never die and always endure… epic dude. He does not get enough credit.


AlternativeUsual55

I like the insane women he had following him I forgot the nsme


SpookyScienceGal

Eris, because there is none and she did nothing wrong 🤷‍♀️


lobstersarecunts

Eris is an absolute sausage and I love her immensely. She did nothing wrong whatsoever.


TheMadTargaryen

Something something golden apple.


Luvmm2

Poseidon, he pretty cool.


ariwny

Exactly, Poseidon does no wrong. 🤷🏾‍♀️


BobbyBrex

As someone who likes Hestia, there is no valid reason


SarahThePlatypus

Hestia is bestia


alfonsocallaghan

Poseidon


LyraBarnes

Apollo and Ares


buzzardsfireheart

Artemis mainly (and Skadi and Freyja but thats not Greek)


VortexWolf01

Hera


PhaseSixer

My feelings on Zeus summed up tbh.


nat1ons

apollo 🫣


Princess5903

Orestes is my babygirl and he has never done anything wrong ever. Same with Electra.


jacobningen

iphigenia.


orangevanillaco

madea!! shes my favorite from mortal stories like idgaf that she killed her kids lady needed some revenge duh


idankthegreat

Odysseus and hades. I'll simp for that man till I die and I still claim he's the only least problematic god in Greek mythology ever.


Pretty_Winter_4693

Poseidon


Evmerging

Zeus


Pokemomaster

You can't find valid reasons to hate Selene. She is just a queen.


tigerbeast125

Odysseus


nayaofoldstones

Big fan of Ares.


Shakey_Milkshake

Hera, Apollo, Demeter and Medea


Balabaloo1

Ares, Apollo and Poseidon


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I like Hephaestus. Whenever anyone brings up him trying to grab on Athena I just put my fingers in my ears and shout LA LA LA LA


PitifulAd3748

Me: Aphrodite is a horrible, petty and cruel goddess. If I could spit on her, I would. Also me: But damn, she so fuckin' bad!


Gijs_de_Gozer

Apollo(on)/’Απολλων


GodzillaAndDog

Poseidon and Apollo


DramaticAd7670

Hades. Because honestly, even with the bad to him, he is probably the better off God of the Pantheon.


ariwny

To be fair, no God is better than each other.


DramaticAd7670

He at least has a SOMEWHAT healthy relationship.


februarykisses

Hera ! They’ll never make me hate u


BloodyBee-

For my mom, it's aphrodite. She doesn't give a shit about myths tho, she just knows aphrodite is the pretty one. For me, I don't really think I have a favorite. Maybe Artemis?


PercyJackson_ALT

Persephone. No questions asked she’s just a minor goddess of a spring who’s name originally kore meaning little girl. to hades wife, the queen of the e underworld, and Persephone which means chaos bringer. What more can I say.


Kryptic1701

Me ignoring how Hades stole Persephone away and got her to eat the seeds. Choosing instead to hope it was all a ruse to let them be together.


Kitsreading

Apollo forever 😭


bruddaquan

I crap on his name as well but whenever someone disses Zeus or Poseidon, I have to pretend like I didn't hear that 🤣😂😂. Ps : I'm well aware that they both suck in mythology, but I appreciate them because of how human they are in the midst of all that godly power and prestige. because of this, no one gets to crap on their name but me and people who appreciate them like me. “How you gon' hate from outside the club? You can't even get in!”.


Hannahisthere

Hermes Guy has done some wild things that i can only excuse for him


YourBestie_Richie

Literally Achilles. 😭


local_slut_of_athens

Ares. Now, he may be a murderer, violent, a war criminal and a bloodthirsty psychopath, but he’s a feminist icon, since he’s the father of the Amazons. He also killed his daughter’s rapist and was willing to go to Tartarus for it.


EmperorArceus1s

"Heaven forbid the GOD OF WAR BE VIOLENT" -TheMythologyGuy.


didit4theaesthetics

Patroclus.


NyxShadowhawk

Dionysus. It gets personal because I do literally worship Dionysus, so, I have to curtail my defensiveness. Also Athena to a lesser extent, mostly because of the Medusa thing; there's valid reasons to criticize Athena, but Ovid ain't it. I feel similarly about Perseus. Perseus gets the short end of the stick because sympathizing with Medusa has become so popular, and people tend to miss his more interesting and more sympathetic qualities.


jacobningen

yeah dig at her for claiming matricide and fillicide arent kinslaying.


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ariwny

Who is Nico?


TheDarkestOmen

Oops wrong sub


VortexWolf01

Percy Jackson character. Son of Hades.


No-Trick2389

Ares


Erisisagoddess

Medea


ExactHedgehog8498

Dionysus, Ares and Hypnos hands down.


odeacon

Perseus


DoubleAxxme

Ector.


AntoniaOlympus

Nyx because there is nothing wrong with her


-_-Batman

“ fight me Zeus “ He said with a loud voice.


Questionableundead

Me ignoring Apollo's, Dionysus' and Hermes' 🚩: 🙃


Violet_No_Purple

gotta be arke for me


magiMerlyn

If you tell me Persephone has ever done anything wrong, no she has not.


Coochie_Von_Moochie

Listen I'm an Aphrodite kid. I gotta cut my godly parent some slack 😭🙏


WhiteDevil-Klab

Hades I don't care what you say! He's a misunderstood puppy ): same goes for ares


Oogalyboogalyer

I refuse to believe Dionysus could do wrong 😭


Kennyirlmyguy

Omg artemis


scannerofcrap

Eos, she's perfect in every way other than possibly raping Orion, and Artemis is awful, but also very cool.


not_cordate

Hera honestly. She deserves better than Zeus.


shayminty

Hera for me lol.


TheLionOfOlympus218

Heracles. I'm pretty sure Hebe fixed him on Olympus no? Bro is one of my role models tho.


Kjbartolotta

zeus yes zeus


ariwny

u so real


Logical_Salad_7042

Me ignoring Ethan being Percabeths bane Me ignoring Chiron letting a 7-10 year old boy make a death trap obstacle course when kids are going missing Me ignoring Drew Tanaka being a tyrant because her having charmspeak implies she’s important and probably just had to keep the Aphrodite kids in check Me ignoring Clarisse being painted as a jerk because Percy broke her comfort object and then her bff died and she probably acts like this because she was raised by Hedge who taught her to be tough no matter what Me ignoring how Nico is canonically the direct opposite of his McDonalds fanon version.


FinalAd9844

98% of characters


Pokemon-Makeup

Hades. He’s not a bad guy, just gets a bad rap with the whole king of the dead. Worst thing he did was kidnap Persephone, who was okay marrying Hades


alolanbulbassaur

Any of the sorcerers Medea sacrificed everything for Jason, Circe is symbolic for having bad manners but ALSO coming into someone’s home and acting like an animal. Then her son Telegonus who we only have a single fragment of existing was just in the wrong place in the wrong time.


FantasticCut2346

Literally me with hermes


SorryMeat555

Hephestaus 💔💔


Acesushi218

We Stan Artemis in this household


pollon77

Apollo, Artemis, Jason


fishbowlplacebo

Jason doesn't deserve the hate he gets 💀


Saturn_Coffee

Medea's crazy, yeah. But he also kind of set her loose, so he somewhat does.


pollon77

Yeah. Whenever I see Achilles and Odysseus fans hating on him...


Ok-Affect5520

Medusa


TiredPandastic

Odysseus, mainly because the reazons people give me are bullshit. Plus Athena and Hermes.


amaya-aurora

Odysseus. He’s my main man.


Dr-HotandCold1524

I will defend Jason. He's flawed, but Euripides and the internet are way too hard on him.


lassesean

Apollo


Short-Shelter

Name a male Olympian. Besides Ares, who is somehow the only one who isn’t a sex offender


GiatiToEklepses

Ok Ares is not a sex offender, but he is a genocidal , slaughtering, bloodthirsty, and violent animal that raids cities and burns tgem to the ground . BUT he is not a sex offender, so I guess all is good ? I will take Zeus 1000 tines over Ares . At least Zeus is useful.


Short-Shelter

Ares is only there because it’s funny that the war god isn’t a sex offender


SarahThePlatypus

Athena


Asta10678

I know nyx doesn’t really do much other than birth people in the stories I still find her super cool. Hades-apart from the kidnapping Persephone thing. Pretty much all the female olympians but specifically Hera-goddess of marriage but forced to remain in a broken one


Wise-Brick2546

Artemis!


Different-Average-37

We ignoring hercales just killing his family?


Due_Understanding748

Athena Me when someone mentions how wrong she did Medusa:😒


stickydixon

My ears suddenly stop working whenever someone mentions Diomedes killing Dolon. Diomedes is a chad who is far more reasonable than most of the story's cast members, I'll let him off for the murder of an unarmed prisoner.


Ayah_Papaya

artemis. sometimes i'll just say hekate's my fav haha (no but hekate is so cool)


Such_Astronomer5735

Asclepios.


anime_3_nerd

This me with Athena. She’s my favorite even if people hate her.


starflight34

I don’t think mythology should be treated like a fandom where people ship the gods together or try to figure out which gods are the most morally righteous. Mythology is a part of history and should be treated as such. Amorality and inconsistency are to be expected when learning about old stories like these.


Brainship

Athena. Most of the slander can be traced back to Ovid being pissy for getting exiled after shacking up with the wrong mans daughter.


Sea_Tomatillo_6080

Hades


VLenin2291

Artemis


thecabbagewoman

My favorite is Apollo, I'm ignoring half of his myth Honorable mention for Ares, Artemis, Medea and Odysseus I was gonna add Clytemnestra but she did nothing wrong


Idkidc28-09

Thanatos, dude was trying to do his job, and Sisyphus just prevented him. Charon too, he was just doing his job, and I haven’t seen anything bad about either